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[Huw Jenjin]

Whenever Lola have another go at F1, they fail. What is their secret?
How many teams did Lola shack up with for F1 efforts?

[Statesidefan]

Really. I know of Embassy (Hill), Haas/Ford, Larrousse Calmels, and the 97 effort with Sosperi and Rosset. Perhaps theres more that I cannot remember. Seems like March and Lola have been perennial stepchildren.

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[Dave Ware]

Did not Lola build the chassis for one of FJ's Hondas, perhaps even the one that took the checker at Monza?

And...did not Lola build an F1 car in the early sixties - yes, they did. FJ drove it yet again. (or yet before.) 1962. Had the pole for one race and finished second in another.

But why all the failure? I sure don't know. Except that Mr. Broadley's last attempt at F1 seemed, even to someone as far removed as moi, doomed to failure.

Dave

[Psychoman]

I think when you have Rosset AND Sospiri, paired with an old Ford V8, there is no other natural way...

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[130R]

Strange from a firm with so much success. I know they were not financially prepared for F1 which requires millions of dollars more than just a few short years ago.

[Don Capps]

Early efforts were the Lola Mk 4/4A's fielded by Reg Parnell in 1962 for Surtees & Salvadori and in 1963 for a variety of drivers. In 1967, the "Hondola" was created after Surtees decided that he needed to do things differently. It was based on the Indy Lola chassis and gave Surtees a victory first time out, so although the win was in the Honda column, it was truly a "Lola-Honda".... so they did get a victory in a WDC round even if don't they get "credit" for it.

Lola just seems snake-bit. They dominated CART and then almost overnight vanished from the scene when they blinked and are just now getting back into the game.

However, the name is still around which is more than can be said for Lotus, Brabham, and March to mention only a few...

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Don Capps

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[Ray Bell]

The 'in bed with' phrase, in connection with the 1962 effort, relates to Bowmaker Credit, the team run by Reg Parnell. The extended their efforts to include the 'Tasman' races of 1963 (which was not actually a Tasman Cup series, but the races that predated that series), fitting 2.7litre FPF Climaxes.
FJ and Tony Maggs (who had been No 2 at Cooper with McLaren) were the drivers, FJ having some success, including second in the AGP.

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[Nathan]

Here are the top reasons

1) A customer 3.5L Ford engine that was destroked to 3-Liters.

2) The car never seen a wind tunnel before the season.

3) Lack of funding for development.

4) Poor drivers.

5) It was Bridgestones first year, and Lola wasnt exactly given top priority.

[Psychoman]

Yeah, wind tunnels are kinda helpful for smoothing out rivetheads and such... Biedaway, Don, March is supposedly going to come back to Indycars soon--there was something that popped up that it could foreshadow a return to Cirque de Mosley

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[Dave Ware]

I've read rumblings that March might be making a chassis for the Irrelevavent Racing League. Perhaps that's what you heard.

One big mistake Lola made in CART was letting Bruce Ashmore get lured away by Reynard. Ashmore worked for Lola since he was a teenager, I believe, and he pretty much was the main guy for making the Lola CART chassis successful.

D.

[Huw Jenjin]

You are right about the Hondola, but I would give FJ more dredit for that ( a comment made ignorant of the facts by the way)than Lola, it was a heavy car wasn't it?
From what every one says, it is obviously an enigma.
Funding (Beatrice, Ford, Mastercard) was not always the problem.
Perhaps they just tried to make F1 production cars?

[Ray Bell]

The Honda part was reputed to be powerful, but said to be heavy... The Lola part was from Indianapolis... It should have been heavy, one would think.

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[ghinzani]

Looks like another chance is slipping away...

[Paulo Coimbra]

Hi, Friends!
I think Lola, March, Panoz/G-force they are excellent you manufacture!
But for categories monomarca as GP2, F-Renault, F-Indy,...
rgds

[Buford]

Wow a thread resurrected after 9 years - what is the record?

[ray b]

well the nostalgia forum and necrol posting sorta go together
I must prase ghinzani for getting search to find these older posts
that is something I sure fail at

[ray b]

The Honda part was reputed to be powerful, but said to be heavy... The Lola part was from Indianapolis... It should have been heavy, one would think.

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heavy yes but not as bad as the BRM H-16's in that race