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#1 MacFan

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 18:06

From itv-f1.com (yes, I know)
The Mole cannot help but wonder about something that happened at the Japanese Grand Prix which played a vital role in determining which team won the World Championship.

You may recall that throughout the early part of the season McLaren and Ferrari were pretty evenly matched.

On several occasions the McLarens were able to survive longer than the Ferraris on the same sets of tyres. And that meant victory to the silver cars.

On other occasions Michael Schumacher had to pick a slightly harder compound of tyre to those being used by the McLaren drivers because the softer compounds were marginal on the Ferrari. And that meant that Schumacher had much more trouble keeping up with the McLarens.

In Japan Bridgestone did a very strange and unusual thing.

Normally the company takes two different tyre compounds to every race, even if they are fairly close together in terms of performance. This gives teams a choice.

But in Japan there was only one compound.

The Bridgestone people said that a new soft compound that had been developed was not ready and so all the teams would have to make do with the same medium tyres. These were new and rather more durable than earlier medium compounds.

It was strange that the Bridgestone Motorsport department should have such logistical problems after four years in the business.

Mika Hakkinen said it did not make any difference but McLaren technical director Adrian Newey remarked that the tyres "are a little harder than we'd like" and compared them to hard Bridgestone tyres which had been used at Suzuka in 1998. On that occasion, he said, McLaren had chosen to run a softer compound.

In the race Hakkinen could not gradually build up a lead as he had done in previous events and when he stopped for the second time he lost four and a half seconds on his first lap out of the pits because he had no grip. That meant that Michael Schumacher went ahead and so won the race and the World Championship.

It is history now but The Mole cannot help but wonder what might have happened if McLaren had been in a position to use the soft Bridgestone compound which appeared a few days later in Malaysia.

This is obviously an area in which Bridgestone people get very edgy.

Bridgestone does not want to be seen to be anything other than completely fair to all the teams and it would not look good at all if it appeared that one team was being favoured over another.

A cynic would say that it was all about marketing. One way or the other a Bridgestone car was going to win the title this year.

Which was a better bet from a Bridgestone point of view? Neither McLaren nor Ferrari was going to make a fuss because both teams receive $2m a year just to use the Bridgestone tyres. It is easy money and to complain about tyres would simply be seen as sour grapes.
It is really rather embarrassing for Bridgestone that in terms of prestige and coverage Ferrari is obviously the better choice.

If McLaren had won again it would have been the team's third consecutive drivers' title and to most news editors around the world the same old story is not a story at all.

There was more coverage for Ferrari because it has taken the Italian team so long to win the title.

In terms of glamour there is little argument, except perhaps in the Mercedes-Benz canteen, that Ferrari is more glamorous than Mercedes-Benz.

It is also rather embarrassing for Bridgestone that Mercedes-Benz has virtually no business with Bridgestone. The big Mercs roll out of Stuttgart on Continental rubber and the smaller cars go out on Goodyears and Pirellis.

Ferrari on the other hand buys around 15,000 Bridgestone tyres a year.

This is not a huge market but it is a very prestigious one for Bridgestone.

There is almost no money in it because getting tyres homologated for a Ferrari is an expensive business, costing probably $1.5m. This money is what you have to spend to get Ferrari's approval for your tyres.

There is a certain amount of return on the investment because the buyer of a Ferrari is basically a captive to the brand of tyre that he gets with his car.

A lot of the top sporting car companies insist that customers do not change tyre brands because, they say, it will affect handling and so on.

There are also insurance issues that come into it.

The tyres are virtually impossible to repair and so there is a certain amount of business from replacement tyres. And that soon builds up when the tyres cost as much as $300 apiece.

So, whether the Bridgestone people like it or not, from the point of view of prestige and, to a lesser extent, money it was in the company's interest to have a Ferrari victory.

This may be inconvenient but it is hard to argue otherwise.

What does it all mean? Nothing.

The only thing that does not really make sense is that The Mole was told about two months before Suzuka that Bridgestone would be helping Ferrari to win the World Championship.

But you cannot read much into that.

Can you?


What do you all think? I find it unlikely that Bridgestone would do this deliberately, and ultimately Schumacher deserved the title anyway.


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#2 Smooth

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 18:21

Bridgestone had to commit a ton of resources to the Indy race, with its unknowns, thus leaving them little time to wholly prepare newer development tires in time for Suzuka. Ferrari had solved (mostly) the tire wear problem on their own. Mika lacked grip because it was raining. The mole is bored, and needs something to write about, and we can come up with a conspiracy slant on most anything that happens in F1..... but it doesn't mean there is a conspiracy. This one is a bit far fetched.

#3 RedFever

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 18:23

Source: The Mole

The Mole: semi-serious, fantasy-inspired, joker look into F1, not actual news.

Bottomline: How can anyone take this seriously, beats me. Check source first.

#4 MacFan

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 18:26

Originally posted by RedFever
Source: The Mole

The Mole: semi-serious, fantasy-inspired, joker look into F1, not actual news.

Bottomline: How can anyone take this seriously, beats me. Check source first.


To borrow a phrase from Frans, .duh

Did you not think I knew where I found it?

#5 Todd

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 18:36

Did Bridgestone have a vested interest in Ferrari winning the title? Sure. Ferraris look MUCH better in ads than the clunky grey thing. Did Bridgestone show favoritism to Ferrari in 2000? Not in France, Austria, or Hungary, that is for certain. Why would they build a mountain for Ferrari to scale and then help them over it in only one race?

The Mole blows smoke up the asses of people whose fetish is having smoke blown up their asses.

#6 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 18:39

It certainly makes sense. But did it happen? I highly doubt it.



#7 RedFever

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 18:59

MacFan -

to quote you quoting Frans: dHu

Since you know the source is iditiotic, why even bother having a discussion on something not based on reality????

#8 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 19:06

The Mole isnt really that far fetched.

#9 RedFever

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 19:13

it actually is very far fetched and to be even more fair, ITV is always 100% pro-British. Biased as few F1 sites on the web. Sorry.

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 19:23

The ITV website's obvious shortcomings notwithstanding, I find the Mole to be a reasonably plausible source. He is sometimes proven wrong, but he is dealing in the grey area of informed speculation where this is bound to happen from time to time. Who knows if there is any truth to this report, but it doesn't set off my BS detectors TOO much.

I highly recommend reading the Mole's columns on the ITV site. Taken with a grain of salt, they can be both informative and amusing as well.

#11 RedFever

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 19:38

it is amusing and fun but reliability is close to none. Good for a laugh

#12 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 19:38

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree Red

#13 RedFever

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 19:40

I guess....saying the Mole is balanced on its views of anything non-British is the same as saying Tifosi-club.com is not pro-Ferrari........

#14 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 20:13

Well they seem to enjoy giving BAR a good caning

#15 Todd

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 20:33

Originally posted by desmo
The ITV website's obvious shortcomings notwithstanding, I find the Mole to be a reasonably plausible source. He is sometimes proven wrong, but he is dealing in the grey area of informed speculation where this is bound to happen from time to time. Who knows if there is any truth to this report, but it doesn't set off my BS detectors TOO much.

I highly recommend reading the Mole's columns on the ITV site. Taken with a grain of salt, they can be both informative and amusing as well.


Good point desmo! The fact that the Mole is sometimes proven worng, while he has NEVER been proven right, should not stop any reasonable people from finding his editorials "informative." :rolleyes:

#16 RedFever

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 21:02

Ross

"Well they seem to enjoy giving BAR a good caning"

If you now what A in BAR stands for (American), you'll understand why they love beating on BAR.......

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 21:04

While the Moles theorys may seem far fetched, he does have access to F1, and the gutts to talk about stuff most people dont want to.

The F1 we the spectators see, is the show. The circus, we see the cars racing, the drivers driving, and the teams winning, or losing. We hear the odd rumour about this, and that, but at the end of the day.. all F1 teams to us are sweeter than suger, would do no wrong, etc etc etc.. why? Because all the media talk about are hard results.

What we dont see, is the background stuff. The paddock stuff. Why should we.. F1 is about big races, the circus .. we watch the cars roll out on Sunday and race, but believe me, alot of stuff happens in F1 that we dont hear about.

The Mole is an F1 Insider, doubt it all you will, but the guy has access to the "paddock" of F1, he sees things, and hears things that are normal, but what makes him different is he talks about them. Most news sites wont touch rumours, so why should they report them. He is also "anonymous", he could be anyone.

Hes not the only one either, take Nigel Roebuck @ Autosport, a respected guy in F1. He has inside access to F1 too, he talks to the people who do the moving. In one of his "Ask Nigel" columns, he said he knew which team used Traction Control, and he wished he could tell us. If he did, he would prolly be banned from F1 for life, so he just stopped there. The Mole goes a little further.

If any of you was granted access to an F1 paddock, and maybe F1 motorhomes, youd come back here and make 100 posts about the amazing things you saw, who sits at whos table, who dislikes who so much they dont talk to them etc etc.. its another world. We see the outside of it.

Also remember, the stuff the mole talks about will not likly ever be confirmed. I mean who is going to come out and say Bridgestone favoured Ferrari? No one, so he cant say "I was right", but im sure he thinks he is. And im sure the guy who told him thinks hes right too.

I so wish someone would make a documentary about what really happens behind closed doors in F1, it would amaze us all.

It reminds me as a final note, of reading a book about Ayrton Senna. It touched on the pre-race drivers meeting at Imola 94, where the stewards agreed not to use a pace car during the race in the way they did at Aida, as Ayrton complained it drove too slow, caused handling problems etc.. and we all know what happened in the race. I didnt read anything of that meeting till I read a book about it.

#18 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 21:10

Yes, im sure they give BAR such a hard time because there is an American flag flying in Brackley England alongside the Union Jack and the Japanese flag.

Its a British team

#19 mono-posto

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Posted 21 December 2000 - 21:30

Pry,

I have to disagree. The media on the whole EXPLOITS rumors and speculation and for the most part dosn't rely on hard facts.

There are a few worthy news organizations that are very good, but most of the media is sensationalistic (sp?) blabber designed to arouse those very 'fantasies' of the inside life.

Ask most 'insiders' that are not working for the media, and they will tell you it's all just hard work and good honest competition.

The media exploits the image of champagne and movie stars and hollywood gossip to sell columns such as the moles.

The above article makes little use of any real knowledge of how a multi-million dollar corp. works. It's written as if Bridgestone is a single person making some devious decision to favor one team. I'm sorry, but huge teams of engineers, marketing people, development research engineers, company reps etc could NEVER collaborate to make such a decision. It's foolish to think otherwise.

The conspiracy theories are getting very annoying.
It's not all the intrigue and mystery that the media portrays.

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#20 MacFan

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Posted 22 December 2000 - 01:02

Originally posted by RedFever
why even bother having a discussion on something not based on reality????


It's the off-season.

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Posted 22 December 2000 - 01:14

This is just recycling discussions which took place immediately following the Suzuka round. As Todd points out, Ferrari seem to have been disadvantaged at Hungary and Spa. Maybe Bridgestone made sure that they would not be disadvantaged Monza on. Certainly, it would be to Bridgestone's advantage to have ferrari win, so while I don;t think they gave Ferrari an advantage, I feel that it is likely that thye made sure that they didn't inadvertently give Mac an advantage. If that means slightly harder tyres, then so be it. They (Bridgestone) left themselves open to such speculation by having only one compound at Suzuka, which is alleged to equate to the "hard" compound used the year before. They should have provided a "harder" compound which noone would use to avoid such speculation. However, they obviously don;t have such twisted minds as we have

#22 DangerMouse

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Posted 22 December 2000 - 02:13

Did Bridgestone have a vested interest in Ferrari winning the title?


Well who runs road cars out of the two? Ferrari have recently started to specify Bridgestone for their road cars - what happened?

How many road cars do McLaren build?......

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Posted 22 December 2000 - 02:51

Nope, I really don't think so. Teams are required to adjust to whatever tires Bridgestone brings, and Ferrari did a better job of it. McLaren did a better job at some of the other races.

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Posted 22 December 2000 - 08:50

amazing what you can believe if you really really want to. keep dreaming boys..... *snigger*

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#25 Gemini

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Posted 22 December 2000 - 09:23

What a logic! Ferrari winning is the best outcome for it's official suppliers. What a innovative opinion! I wonder why they did not "help" Ferrari to get the crown much earlier than Suzuka 2000?!