23 replies to this topic

[jimjimjeroo]

I wonder how he'd feel, he never got to see the team rise up through the grid!? he sold up to BAR in 1997/8 12 years on and his old team is the reigning constructors champions and now in the hands of Mercedes!?

I suppose Mercedes GP Is a far cry from the old base in Ockham, Surrey

[Ross Stonefeld]

I don't think he'd consider it his team. BAR bought little more than the paperwork that gave them his share of the Concorde agreement. BAR made everyone reapply for their jobs and built a new factory in a different part of the country.

[lokiman]

Bit of a stretch to consider Mercedes a direct descendent of Tyrell. Jackie Stewart probably has a better claim to Red Bull.

[Villes Gilleneuve]

I wonder how he'd feel, he never got to see the team rise up through the grid!?

Oh, dear, you do realize Tyrell won the World Championship in 1971 with Jackie Stewart? Second in 1968?

[jimjimjeroo]

Of course I know he had already been at the front! Should have phrased it better!

[PNSD]

Agreed about Stewart and RBR. Stewart ran a good team, Jaguar just let it down and now Horners bought it to the top.

[Ross Stonefeld]

God, I can't imagine where the team would be without Christian Horner.

[george1981]

Paul Stoddart bought everything that BAR didn't want. There was an article about it years ago before he bought Minardi.

[Victor]

Oh, dear, you do realize Tyrell won the World Championship in 1971 with Jackie Stewart? Second in 1968?

And you, do you realize he also won the WC in 1973 again with Stewart?

[Les]

I thought Formula One was only invented in 2007 by Lewis Hamilton?

[Sausage]

http://en.wikipedia....Ship_of_Theseus

[packapoo]

Bit of a stretch Jimjim.
Have a lot of admiration for big KT though.


Bad enough reading through the dimwits who see that Malaysian outfit as a reincarnation of another, highly respected former GP winning team.......I mean the cheeky beggars stole their name and their colour scheme.

There's just no respect these days.

[Ross Stonefeld]

To be fair Lotus is in the same location, has some ex-Lotus people, has the co-operation of both the family name and the fella who had the Lotus F1 rights (David Hunt) and for a while the patronage of the parent company. It's very close to what Lotus would have been in 2010 had they continued.

[cheapracer]

God, I can't imagine where the team would be without Christian Horner.

Ken Tyrell was also famous for spotting talent that went on to become WDC's as well as great non WDC talent and the fans have some to thank for for that.

For those who don't know that talent spotting made Tyrell a wealthy man as most buying and selling of flesh does

[Lifew12]

I thought Formula One was only invented in 2007 by Lewis Hamilton?

No, it was as long ago as 1991, and it was Michael Schumacher.

[Boing 2]

I loved Tyrrell, I really miss them, even today. I keep hoping that Motorsport is going to do a Tyrrell issue some month.

[Boing 2]

I don't think he'd consider it his team. BAR bought little more than the paperwork that gave them his share of the Concorde agreement. BAR made everyone reapply for their jobs and built a new factory in a different part of the country.

from what i read at the time very few staff actually came accross, they really did just buy the grid slot. Ironic to think that tyrrells old design crew with a better budget would have out performed BAR that first year.

[Ross Stonefeld]

What are we basing that on? Villeneuve had a few performances in 1999 that were well in excess of what Tyrrell had managed in years.

[Gene and Tonic]

I miss the Harvey Postlethwaite designed Tyrrells - nearly always had something inventive about them, even if they weren't at the sharp end

[KiloWatt]

No, it was as long ago as 1991, and it was Michael Schumacher.

As a matter of fact, you're both wrong... It was in 1954 and with Mercedes-Benz.

[Boing 2]

What are we basing that on? Villeneuve had a few performances in 1999 that were well in excess of what Tyrrell had managed in years.

It's an assumption based on the fact that Tyrrells budget was pocket money compared to BAR's but they got 5 points in 96 and 2 in 97 compared to BAR's 0 in 99. When you think of how chronic BAR's reliability was in 99 you'd have to assume an experienced tyrrell squad would at least have had a substantially better finishing record.

Easy to forget now but for BAR's first 3 seasons their car looked visibly out of date, poorly packaged and bulky and very similar to previous years. Their technical department didn't seem to know what target to even aim for.

[Longtimefan]

Ken Tyrrell is an absolute legend in my opinion and F1 is all the poorer without him.

Got wonderful memories of 1970-73 was the best of Tyrrell F1

Shame the wonderful 73 season had to end so badly.

[Boing 2]

If memory serves me well they introduced a lot of stuff to F1, i think the following list is right but the historians can soon correct me if wrong.

They were the first team to have personell uniforms with all their mechanics in ELF colours
They were the first to use an airgun to change wheels during a race pitstop
They were the first to run an airbox
Six wheeler [cough] (moving along)
They introduced the raised nose
They introduced aero profiled wishbones (or faired in wishbones as they were at the time)
They introduced the x-wings

They experimented with 3 spoke wheels (which failed unfortunately)
They wanted to run front wheels on the rear at Monza, they were tested i think but Goodyear wouldn't let them race.
They designed a car around 3rd gear corners because it was the most common corner in the calendar


Very innovative team and when you consider more than half that list was during thier final decade you realise they punched well above their wieght. Ironically i think it was this attitude that killed them, they spent too long looking for a magic bullet idea to get to the front instead of accepting the path of evolution and refinement that was required.

[Disgrace]

I don't think he'd consider it his team.

Indeed he did not even in 1998 when Rosset was hired, hence he quit before the start of the season.