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[WhiteBlue]

Pdf - about driver steward Emanuele Pirro

[midgrid]

Pdf - about driver steward Emanuele Pirro

Good choice - Pirro's a man who loves his racing.

[DarthRonzo]

Here we go again:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88142

Any risk of favouritism towards Ferrari ?

Edited by DarthRonzo, 12 November 2010 - 00:22.

[fabr68]

Here we go again:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88142

Any risk of favouritism towards Ferrari ?

He is an ex-Mclaren driver.

[Scudetto]

He is an ex-Mclaren driver.

A Gulf McLaren F1 GTR. Driving a McLaren does not necessarily make you a McLaren driver. Regardless, any anticipated favoritism is foil hatted hysteria of the highest order.

Edited by Scudetto, 12 November 2010 - 03:26.

[CSquared]

Here we go again:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/88142

Any risk of favouritism towards Ferrari ?

You don't like that he's Italian? Or what did I miss?

[WhiteBlue]

Another public source on the issue

I hope they are wrong.

Edited by WhiteBlue, 12 November 2010 - 04:04.

[Slowinfastout]

Another public source on the issue

I hope they are wrong.

That article was quite ridiculous, as expected.. but man I spilled my drink all over the place with the Hamilton quotes at the end:

Alonso is showing characteristic resilience. His McLaren rival Hamilton thought so, too, but for a different reason.

'I'm surprised how Fernando was able to take the pain of having his legs waxed,' said the title outsider. 'We noticed as we were walking in. Mark (Webber) pointed it out and was asking how far it has gone up.

'I was like, "Wow, they're shiny". So I am impressed he can take that. But he has shown over the years how solid he is mentally. He just doesn't care. You ask him questions about Germany and he isn't bothered.'

[philhitchings]

WhiteBlue, it's the mail for goodness sakes, which is a rag that is hardly short of bias on any topic from F1 racing to F1 hybrid roses IIRC.

As for Pirro, the guy has spent more time with Audi than anything else as far as I can see. Le Mans - wise he's a legend. F1 wise it didn't work out for him. Pirro looks like a good choice, despite the fact the he has pictures of Ferrari's on his website but then he probably read the trash in the mail and "hid the evidence"

[WhiteBlue]

As for Pirro, the guy has spent more time with Audi than anything else as far as I can see. Le Mans - wise he's a legend. F1 wise it didn't work out for him. Pirro looks like a good choice, despite the fact the he has pictures of Ferrari's on his website.

I agree, those were my ideas when I read the article. I linked that just in case.

[DarthRonzo]

You don't like that he's Italian? Or what did I miss?

I don't like a driver steward with the same nationality of one of the parties involved, driver or team.

[lithium]

I don't like a driver steward with the same nationality of one of the parties involved, driver or team.

Yea, ok, then what about the numerous British stewards that we had, an Australian, a German, you name it..

[Mastah]

I don't like a driver steward with the same nationality of one of the parties involved, driver or team.

Yeah, it's nothing like Nigel Mansell, FIA Steward for British GP, saying live on BBC during build-up for quali "Please, Lewis, Jenson, do it for us".

[Captain Tightpants]

I can't imagine Pirro is going to favour Ferrari absolutely and brazenly at every opportunity. If Vettel moves over for Webber to allow Webber to win the title, I cannot fathom for a moment that Mosley would be stupid enough to have them disqualified on the spot when Ferrari got away with it.

[DILLIGAF]

I don't like a driver steward with the same nationality of one of the parties involved, driver or team.

What would you suggest, someone from Antarctica just in case.

[Captain Tightpants]

What would you suggest, someone from Antarctica just in case.

Good point. There's at least sixteen nationalities that are accounted for among teams and drivers. How many drivers can anyone name from outside the current line-up of nationalities? Besides, Alan Jones was driver steward in Korea and it didn't cause any probems.

[Smile17]

That article was quite ridiculous, as expected.. but man I spilled my drink all over the place with the Hamilton quotes at the end:

Alonso is showing characteristic resilience. His McLaren rival Hamilton thought so, too, but for a different reason.

'I'm surprised how Fernando was able to take the pain of having his legs waxed,' said the title outsider. 'We noticed as we were walking in. Mark (Webber) pointed it out and was asking how far it has gone up.

'I was like, "Wow, they're shiny". So I am impressed he can take that. But he has shown over the years how solid he is mentally. He just doesn't care. You ask him questions about Germany and he isn't bothered.'

I thought wtf? when I read that! Hamilton hasn't got anything else to say I think...

Edited by Smile17, 12 November 2010 - 09:16.

[DILLIGAF]

Good point. There's at least sixteen nationalities that are accounted for among teams and drivers. How many drivers can anyone name from outside the current line-up of nationalities? Besides, Alan Jones was driver steward in Korea and it didn't cause any probems.

I trust the driver stewards no matter where they are from. If you can't trust former professional drivers with a lot of experience & knowledge to do the right thing, who can you trust. I find it pathetic that anyone would question these appointments based on their nationality. And on top of that the driver steward is only one vote & there are four stewards at each GP..

[Wingcommander]

If Vettel moves over for Webber to allow Webber to win the title, I cannot fathom for a moment that Mosley would be stupid enough to have them disqualified on the spot when Ferrari got away with it.

Mosley? The Mad Max?

[Captain Tightpants]

Okay, let's list the countries that are represented on the grid:

1) UK (McLaren, Button, Hamilton, Williams, Virgin)
2) Germany (Mercedes, Schumacher, Rosberg, Vettel, Hulkenberg, Sutil, Heidfeld, Glock)
3) Austria (Red Bull, Klien)
4) Australia (Webber)
6) Italy (Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Liuzzi, Trulli)
7) Brazil (Massa, Barrichello, Senna, di Grassi)
8) Spain (Alonso, Alguersuari, Hispania)
9) France (Renault)
10) Poland (Kubica)
11) Russia (Petrov)
12) India (Force India)
13) Switzerland (Buemi, Sauber)
14) Malaysia (Lotus)
15) Finland (Kovalainen)
16) Japan (Yamamoto, Kobayashi)

So, how many drivers are out there who aren't from one of these countries and are readily available on a regular basis?

[scheivlak]

Okay, let's list the countries that are represented on the grid:

1) UK (McLaren, Button, Hamilton, Williams, Virgin)
2) Germany (Mercedes, Schumacher, Rosberg, Vettel, Hulkenberg, Sutil, Heidfeld, Glock)
3) Austria (Red Bull, Klien)
4) Australia (Webber)
6) Italy (Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Liuzzi, Trulli)
7) Brazil (Massa, Barrichello, Senna, di Grassi)
8) Spain (Alonso, Alguersuari, Hispania)
9) France (Renault)
10) Poland (Kubica)
11) Russia (Petrov)
12) India (Force India)
13) Switzerland (Buemi, Sauber)
14) Malaysia (Lotus)
15) Finland (Kovalainen)
16) Japan (Yamamoto, Kobayashi)

So, how many drivers are out there who aren't from one of these countries and are readily available on a regular basis?

Quite a lot: Jos Verstappen , Jan Lammers, Jacky Ickx, Thierry Boutsen, Pedro Lamy, Eddie Cheever, Danny Sullivan, Carlos Reutemann, Jody Scheckter.......

Not that I have any problem with Emanuele or any of the stewards we've seen this year.

[Linther]

I can't envisage that Pirro will be biased in favour of Ferrari. Everything I read and heard about him says that this is a man who loves cars and loves racing. Being Italian of course he admires Ferrari but he has driven for a lot of teams during his career an has always been professional. He even has a strong link to Germany as a former member of the BMW touring car team and the Audi works team.

I seem to remember that his first car was a VW Polo which was tuned for him courtesy of the former German racing driver Joerg van Ommen.

He is also a thoughtful yet outspoken person. This is surely one of the best possible choices for the stewardship!

[Buttoneer]

http://joesaward.wor...-let-the-facts/

[Dunder]

The Daily Mail article is "ridiculous".

I sincerely hope that the stewards are not involved in deciding the title outcome but if they are I have no doubt Pirro will give his views objectively.

[phil1993]

Okay, let's list the countries that are represented on the grid:

1) UK (McLaren, Button, Hamilton, Williams, Virgin)
2) Germany (Mercedes, Schumacher, Rosberg, Vettel, Hulkenberg, Sutil, Heidfeld, Glock)
3) Austria (Red Bull, Klien)
4) Australia (Webber)
6) Italy (Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Liuzzi, Trulli)
7) Brazil (Massa, Barrichello, Senna, di Grassi)
8) Spain (Alonso, Alguersuari, Hispania)
9) France (Renault)
10) Poland (Kubica)
11) Russia (Petrov)
12) India (Force India)
13) Switzerland (Buemi, Sauber)
14) Malaysia (Lotus)
15) Finland (Kovalainen)
16) Japan (Yamamoto, Kobayashi)

So, how many drivers are out there who aren't from one of these countries and are readily available on a regular basis?

Even then you can say that Renault & Lotus are mainly based in the UK

[Watkins74]

How does the voting work, will a 3-1 vote bring a penalty or does it have to be 4-0? Thank You.

Edited by Watkins74, 12 November 2010 - 17:33.

[Hypnotise]

It's like the FIA want to create chaos, Ferrari won't get advantage noone will ever because of nationailty....

[Sausage]

I trust the driver stewards no matter where they are from. If you can't trust former professional drivers with a lot of experience & knowledge to do the right thing, who can you trust. I find it pathetic that anyone would question these appointments based on their nationality.

+1

[William Hunt]

A Gulf McLaren F1 GTR. Driving a McLaren does not necessarily make you a McLaren driver.

I think you are forgetting that Pirro was McLaren's official test driver from 1987 until 1989 when he moved to F1 with Benetton (to replace Johnny Herbert)! He tested again for them in 1991. He was considered a very hot talent before he entered F1 (where he was a bit dissapointing in the end, decent driver but nothing special), like Alan McNish (who tested also several years for McLaren) he spent too long beiing a test driver before making the jump to a race seat.

Edited by William Hunt, 12 November 2010 - 19:36.

[Donka]

Okay, let's list the countries that are represented on the grid:

1) UK (McLaren, Button, Hamilton, Williams, Virgin)
2) Germany (Mercedes, Schumacher, Rosberg, Vettel, Hulkenberg, Sutil, Heidfeld, Glock)
3) Austria (Red Bull, Klien)
4) Australia (Webber)
6) Italy (Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Liuzzi, Trulli)
7) Brazil (Massa, Barrichello, Senna, di Grassi)
8) Spain (Alonso, Alguersuari, Hispania)
9) France (Renault)
10) Poland (Kubica)
11) Russia (Petrov)
12) India (Force India)
13) Switzerland (Buemi, Sauber)
14) Malaysia (Lotus)
15) Finland (Kovalainen)
16) Japan (Yamamoto, Kobayashi)

So, how many drivers are out there who aren't from one of these countries and are readily available on a regular basis?

ANY American, you can practically know they won't have driven for any of these teams in the past either.

Edited by Donka, 12 November 2010 - 19:42.

[plastik2k9]

I see no problem with this appointment. The only possible concern would be that they've chosen somebody who hasn't done it before, which is slightly odd considering this is the championship decider between 4 drivers.

But with that said, it's not like these guys have the final call, they are there to provide a driver's point of view to any incidents that crop up. They don't need to know the rule book, they just need to be able to give the stewards an idea of how a racer thinks and acts in a given situation.

The Daily Mail are just doing what they always do.. selling by sensationalism.

EDIT: I was supposed to quote that Daily Mail link there..

Edited by plastik2k9, 12 November 2010 - 19:51.

[scheivlak]

ANY American, you can practically know they won't have driven for any of these teams in the past either.

Eddie Cheever drove for Renault in 1983

[pingu666]

scott speed will be free next year, probably
pirro drove part time for a british team this year aswell

http://www.motorspor...evival-podcast/
i think theres abit of a interview with pirro there, really nice chap

[JustinCider]

I don't like a driver steward with the same nationality of one of the parties involved, driver or team.

Johnny Herbert seems to be quite a popular offical. People can set aside natioalistic bias and work professionally.

[Les]

Quite a lot: Jos Verstappen , Jan Lammers, Jacky Ickx, Thierry Boutsen, Pedro Lamy, Eddie Cheever, Danny Sullivan, Carlos Reutemann, Jody Scheckter.......

Not that I have any problem with Emanuele or any of the stewards we've seen this year.

You could also have Zsolt Baumgartner representing Hungary or Sebastian Bourdais from France (or Prost but that's too sensible).

I agree though I don't see Pirro as an issue at Abu Dahbi.

[montoyasminion]

If he favors anyone, it might be red bull. Audi and Red Bull are pretty tight.

Doubt it will make a difference in the end though

[DarthRonzo]

Okay, let's list the countries that are represented on the grid:

1) UK (McLaren, Button, Hamilton, Williams, Virgin)
2) Germany (Mercedes, Schumacher, Rosberg, Vettel, Hulkenberg, Sutil, Heidfeld, Glock)
3) Austria (Red Bull, Klien)
4) Australia (Webber)
6) Italy (Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Liuzzi, Trulli)
7) Brazil (Massa, Barrichello, Senna, di Grassi)
8) Spain (Alonso, Alguersuari, Hispania)
9) France (Renault)
10) Poland (Kubica)
11) Russia (Petrov)
12) India (Force India)
13) Switzerland (Buemi, Sauber)
14) Malaysia (Lotus)
15) Finland (Kovalainen)
16) Japan (Yamamoto, Kobayashi)

So, how many drivers are out there who aren't from one of these countries and are readily available on a regular basis?

Not involved in the WDC shodown.

Italy, Spain, England, Australian and Germania.

Is it asking too much ?

[DILLIGAF]

But with that said, it's not like these guys have the final call, they are there to provide a driver's point of view to any incidents that crop up. They don't need to know the rule book, they just need to be able to give the stewards an idea of how a racer thinks and acts in a given situation.

Exactly.

[chrisblades85]

But with that said, it's not like these guys have the final call, they are there to provide a driver's point of view to any incidents that crop up. They don't need to know the rule book, they just need to be able to give the stewards an idea of how a racer thinks and acts in a given situation.

Nail on head.

[frp]

Is it asking too much ?

It's asking for something quite unnecessary. There are no national teams, so nationality of birth is largely irrelevant.
Pirro is a former McLaren employee, who has at times been sponsored by Red Bull, and has had no official connection with Ferrari.
But he has been a respected international professional race driver for thirty years, so he should be up to the job. You should stop worrying about it.

[Suntrek]

Another public source on the issue

I hope they are wrong.

Funny that no press got their knickers in a twist over the fact that there were no less than TWO Australian stewards in Korea (Alan Jones as driver steward, Garry Connelly as regular)

But then again, I guess steward nationality isn't a big deal unless it concerns Ferrari/Alonso...

[DarthRonzo]

Funny that no press got their knickers in a twist over the fact that there were no less than TWO Australian stewards in Korea (Alan Jones as driver steward, Garry Connelly as regular)

But then again, I guess steward nationality isn't a big deal unless it concerns Ferrari/Alonso...

Indeed, I did.

[DarthRonzo]

http://www.lastampa....30486girata.asp

Here we have Pirro's interview before the race.
GOOGLED

Will hear this catchphrase on the Red Bull could ask to be passed by Vettel Webber.
"They would be fools if they did not."

How to assess whether team orders?
"We will monitor and try to rise to the occasion."

That idea has made the process of overtaking the Ferrari Hockenheim between Alonso and Massa?"There are many ways to make a pilot aid each other. Messages in code are the rule, but not enough to fool the FIA, how to avoid being understood by the opponents. It is naive to talk radio in a transparent manner. "

Does not it seem odd that for the first time they called in their direction when there is an Italian race that Alonso will play the championship?
"No, I had already requested availability in early years. I had offered to Monza, but then my hours were incompatible. "

Concerned about the liability?
"I hope there will be no disputed conditions. It is not easy as a profession. At Monza, Misano and they invited me to see how it works: lessons have been important. "

Difficult? With all those cameras and slow-motion replays available?
"This is the mistake that drivers make. When you're behind the wheel I thought I had only you, you expect that everyone is watching you, and sometimes do not understand why the commissioners do not intervene quickly. Instead you're one of 20 or 22 to watch at the same time. Bring the young drivers to see how it works. "

Many decisions have been controversial this year.
"If you hurry you risk losing some detail and then make mistakes. If there be calm, take risks when it is late. As a young man I often get angry with the commissioners. Then, regarding the pictures even years later, I realized that almost always they were right. The important thing is that there is uniformity of opinion. "