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#1 Oleksij Hrushko

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 10:25

On page 112 in 'Motorsport in Deutschland 1945-1955' I found the photo of Paul Pietsch titled "Beim Grossen Bergpreis am Schauinsland 1950 fuhr Paul Pietsch mit diesem Eineinhalbliter-Kompressor-Maserati Typ 4 CLT die schnellste Wagenzeit und siegte in der Formel 1"
The full(?) result in F1 class for this hillclimb were posted by uechtel in TNF some years ago and they are:
1. No. 162 Pietsch, Freiburg, Maserati 8.16,5 = 87,05 km/h (fastest time of all cars)
2. No. 160 Bonetto, Milan, Maserati 8.29,4 = 84,8 km/h
3. No. 163 Herbster, Lörrach, Bugatti 10.20,8 = 69,6 km/h
So, I have a question - Were there any other hillclimbs in Germany or in other European countries with specific class for Formula 1 cars?

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#2 David McKinney

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:26

The short answer is 'yes'

Not at many venues, and not every year, but in Germany and especially Switzerland there were separate F1 classes for many years

#3 Oleksij Hrushko

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 12:49

:)
OK, thanks! May be later anybody can provide list of hillclimbs with results?

#4 Geza Sury

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 17:29

Jo Siffert used to compete regularly in Swiss hillclimbs with contemporary Formula One Cars in his native Switzerland. Usually, he won! You can find the complete list of his results in Ed Heuvink's new book about the life of Siffert.

Edited by Geza Sury, 13 November 2010 - 17:33.


#5 David McKinney

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Posted 13 November 2010 - 19:50

I presume that means only Siffert's results?

#6 wenoopy

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 02:20

In 1957-58-59, Maserati A6GCS and 250F cars were run in some Swiss and Italian(Trento-Bondone) Hillclimbs by Erwin Sommerhalder, Odoardo Govoni, and maybe Willy Daetwyler.

I'm not sure if there was a specific Formula One Class, but there was a picture in an "Automobile Year" around that period of Sommerhalder at a Swiss round of the European Mountain Championship (Though he wouldn't have been eligible for it)

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 03:22

In 1957-58-59, Maserati A6GCS and 250F cars were run in some Swiss and Italian(Trento-Bondone) Hillclimbs by Erwin Sommerhalder, Odoardo Govoni, and maybe Willy Daetwyler.

I'm not sure if there was a specific Formula One Class, but there was a picture in an "Automobile Year" around that period of Sommerhalder at a Swiss round of the European Mountain Championship (Though he wouldn't have been eligible for it)


Apologies to D. McKinney Esq. That should have been A6GCM or perhaps 1953-54, not A6GCS.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 07:58

There were a surprising number of 250F (and A6GCM/250) European hillclimb appearances into the 1960s, though not all of course were in specific F1 classes

#9 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 11:47

Often Formula One cars raced in the Formula Libre class all European Hillclims after WW 2. There were some Maserati 4CLT running in such classes for example. There were to few F1 cars to create a own class, but mixed with sportcars they had a chance to win the race. Trintigant raced his BRM in 64 in some clibs, Porsche 718 were raced at the hills, Bonnier raced the Fergusson 4WD F1 at Ollon in 63, I think. Gurney's Eagle F1 from was raced by Scuderia Filipinetti at hillclims in 68 or so. Silvo Moser raced his Bellasi F1 more on hills than at circuits.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 15:26

Lots of older F1 cars were used on the hills in Britain in the 1940s through to the 1970s. After that it was usually the engines that made it into hillclimb chassis.

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 15:39

...and for a while in the '50s there was a 'Formula 1' class at the so-called International Prescott

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 17:43

In Germany and Switzerland, like I think in most other countries, it was already tradition to have Grand Prix cars at the start. Think of Silver Arrows at Großglockner or Klausen before the war. After the war this was continued, but of course without the big teams only a few privateers were left over with suitable machinery. Therefore the tendency was towards increasing sports and toiruing car fields, but it seems, that the organizers still tried to present spectaluar race cars as well.

In order to do this they had to look on what machinery was available and did not always look at the definition of the international Grand Prix forumla(s) but like Hugo said, often defined their own categories. So what may look like a "Formula 1" field may have indeed been a class for cars over 1.5 litres and one for cars below that capacity limit, no matter whether supercharged or not!

Here the results from 1946/47

Germany:
21.07.1946 Ruhestein
"Racecars"  (unlimited): 
1st Fritzgeorg Martin		Bugatti Special		 1.5 sc
ret Heinrich Herbster		Bugatti					 sc

10.08.1947 Eggbergrennen
Racecars up to 1.5 l:
1st Leonhard Joa			 Maserati 4CM			1.5 sc  4:19.8 (1st overall)
2nd Hans Stuck			   Cisitalia D46		   1.1	 4:24.9
3rd Fritz Gerster			Bugatti Special		 1.5 sc
Racecars up to 3 l:
1st Egon Brütsch			 Alfa Romeo "Monza" Spl. 2.3 sc  4:37.1
2nd Heinrich Herbster		Bugatti T51			 2.3 sc  4:51.9
3rd Kurt Kiefer			  Maserati 26M			2.5 sc
4th Franz Braun			  BMW Special			 2.0

Switzerland:
24.08.1946 Maloja (national race)
Group I (up to 1.1l): no entries
Group II (1.5 l): 
1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 6 CM		   1.5 sc  8:31 (and 1st overall)
2nd Max Christen			 Maserati 6 CM Special   1.5 sc  8:55
ret Ernst Hürzeler		   Maserati				1.5 sc  no time
Group III (2.0 l): no entries
Group IV (over 2.0l): 
1st Fred Meyer			   Bugatti				 2.3 sc  8:57.4
4 race cars altogether!

25.08.1946 Maloja (international race):
Group I (1.5l): 
1st Arialdo Ruggeri		 Maserati				 1.5 sc  8:19.8 (1st overall)
2nd Enrico Plate			Maserati				 1.5 sc  8:38.6
3rd Ernst Hürzeler		  Maserati				 1.5 sc  8:42.0
4th Max Christen			Maserati Special		 1.5 sc  9:01.4
5th Felice Bonetto		  Maserati Special		 1.5 sc  9:11.8
6th Gigi Plate			  Plate-Talbot			 1.5 sc  9:20.4
Group II (over 1.5 l):
1st Fred Meyer			  Bugatti				  2.3 sc  8:44.8
2nd Peppino Cattaneo		Alfa Romeo				   sc  9:38.4  

05.07.1947 Maloja (national race)
Racecars up to 1.5 l:
1st Ernst Hürzeler		  Maserati 4 CL			1.5 sc  8:33.4 (1st overall)
2nd Max Christen			Maserati Special		 1.5 sc  8:58.8
3rd Adolphe Mandirola	   Maserati				 1.5 sc  9:19.0
4th Rolf Kessler			Bugatti				  1.5 sc  9:24.6
Racecars over 1.5 l:
1st Vittorio Vanini		 Maserati				 2.0 sc  9:19.0

06.07.1947 Maloja (international race)
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Ernst Hürzeler		  Maserati 4 CL			1.5 sc  8:27.2 (1st overall)
2nd Fred Meyer			  Maserati				 1.5 sc  8:45.4
3rd Arialdo Ruggeri		 Maserati				 1.5 sc  8:46.8
4th Gino dell´Acqua		 Maserati				 1.5 sc  8:48.4
5th Max Christen			Maserati Special		 1.5 sc  8:48.6
6th Giovanni Bracco		 Maserati				 1.5 sc  8:50.0
7th Rolf Kessler			Bugatti				  1.5 sc  9:15.6
8th Adolphe Mandirola	   Maserati				 1.5 sc  9:23.8
Racecars over 1.5l:
1st Vittorio Vanini		 Maserati				 2.0 sc  9:09.8

20.07.1947 Develier - Les Rangiers
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st Arnold Grass			Derby Special			1.1	 7:34.2
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Ernst Hürzeler		  Maserati 4 CL			1.5 sc  3:47.8 (1st overall)
2nd Max Christen			Maserati Special		 1.5 sc  4:01.4
3rd Rolf Kessler			Bugatti				  1.5 sc  4:14.6
4th Gino dell´Acqua		 Maserati				 1.5 sc  6:07.5
Racecars over 1.5l:
1st Walter Wüst			 Bugatti				  2.3 sc  4:27.2

17.08.1947 Rheineck - Walzenhausen - Lachen
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Ernst Hürzeler		  Maserati 4 CL			1.5 sc  5:00.1 (1st overall)
2nd Max Christen			Maserati Special		 1.5 sc  5:07.0
3rd Fred Meyer			  Maserati				 1.5 sc  5:18.5
4th Rolf Kessler			Bugatti				  1.5 sc  5:47.6
Racecars over 1.5l:
1st Paul Schenk			 Alfa Romeo			   2.3 sc  5:15.8
2nd Walter Wüest			Bugatti				  2.3 sc  5:16.6

14.09.1947 Dornach - Gempen
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Max Christen			Maserati Special		 1.5 sc  4:35.4
2nd Fred Meyer			  Maserati				 1.5 sc  4:36.8
3rd Rolf Kessler			Maserati				 1.5 sc  4:41.8
ret Ernst Hürzeler		  Maserati				 1.5 sc  no time
Racecars over 1.5l:
1st Walter Wüest			Bugatti				  2.3 sc  4:25.4 (winner racecars)
2nd Vittorio Vanini		 Maserati				 2.0 sc  4:48.0
3rd Hermann Trümpy		  BMW-Veritas ("T-Wagen")  2.0	 4:57.4

21.12.1947 Siders - Crans Montana ("winter hill climb" on ice and snow!)
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st Piero Taruffi		   Cisitalia D46			1.1	 15:59.4 (1st overall)
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Emmanuel de Graffenried Maserati				 1.5 sc  16:19.95
2nd Arialdo Ruggeri		 Maserati				 1.5 sc  17:34.2
3rd Ernst Hürzeler		  Maserati				 1.5 sc  18:34.0
4th Antoine Branca		  Maserati				 1.5 sc  19:40.3


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Posted 14 November 2010 - 18:33

1948:

Germany:
05.09.1948 Eggbergrennen:
"Racecars" (unlimited):
1st Egon Brütsch			 Westenrieder-Maserati   3.7 sc
2nd Helmut Polensky		  Monopol-BMW			 2.0
3rd Georg Meier			  BMW-Veritas			 2.0
4th Roland Mall			  Neumaier-BMW			2.0
5th Hans Gerbel			  BMW Special			 2.0
ret Hermann Holbein		  HH 48-BMW			   2.0
dns Heinrich Herbster		Veritas-Bugatti		 2.3 sc

Switzerland:
23.05.1948 Rheineck - Walzenhausen
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st Hans Stuck			   Cisitalia D46		   1.1	4:57.2
2nd Walter Wüest			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	5:08.0
3rd Rudolf Fischer		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	5:10.2
4th Francesco Nissotti	   Fiat Stanguellini	   1.1	5:18.6				  
5th Carlo Pesci			  Cisitalia			   1.1	5:21.8
6th Walter Wüest			 Cisitalia Sport		 1.1	5:32.8
7th Gianni Arezzi			Fiat					750	6:29.6
8th Jakob Keller			 Keller Spezial		  600	6:30.2
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CL			1.5 sc 4:52.8 (1st overall)
2nd Antoine Branca		   Maserati				1.5 sc 5:12.0
3rd Hans Kaufmann			Maserati				1.5 sc 5:27.2
4th G. B. Azzi			   Maserati				1.5	5:41.8
5th Aldo Ranzini			 Lancia				  1.5	5:47.2
Racecars up to 2.0l:
1st Pariani				  Plate-Special		   1.7	5:39.4
2nd Emil Haefeli			 Bugatti				 2.0	5:55.0
Racecars over 2.0l:
1st Kenneth Hutchison		Alfa Romeo			  2.9 sc 5:08.2

06.06.1948 Valangin - Vue des Alpes
Racecars up to 1.1
1st Hans Stuck			   Cisitalia D46		   1.1	5:15.0
2nd Rudolf Fischer		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	5:25.6
3rd Walter Wüst			  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	5:44.0
4th Raymond de Sauge		 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	6:30.6
5th Gianni Arezzi			Fiat					750	7:07.8
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CL			1.5 sc 4:56.4 (1st overall)
2nd Anton Branca			 Maserati				1.5 sc 5:15.4
3rd Enrico Plate			 maserati				1.5 sc 5:44.6
4th Giovanni Azzi			Maserati				1.5	6:11.2
5th Ernest Ramseyer		  Maserati				1.5	7:42.0
ret Hans Kaufmann			Maserati				1.5	no time
Racecars up to 2.0l:
1st Giovanni Bracco		  Maserati				1.6	5:48.8
2nd Frederico Pariani		PB Special			  1.8	5:49.2
Racecars over 2.0l:
1st Kenneth Hutchison		Alfa Romeo B			2.9 sc 5:08.8

22.08.1948 Casaccia - Maloja
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st Rudolf Fischer		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	4:16.4
2nd Walter Wüst			  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	4:36.8
3rd						  Fiat					1.1	5:11.2
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CL			1.5 sc 4:03.0 (1st overall)
2nd Ernest Ramseyer		  Maserati				1.5 sc 4:26.6
3rd Leonardo Quadri		  Maserati				1.5	4:47.8
Racecars over 1.5l:
1st Max Renz				 Special				 1.9 sc 5:20.0


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Posted 14 November 2010 - 19:16

1949:

Germany:
31.07.1949 Schauinsland
Racecars unlimited:
1st Hans Stuck			   Westenrieder-Maserati   3.7 sc 9:53.3
2nd Egon Brütsch			 EBS-Bugatti			 2.3 sc
3rd Fritz Prinzbach		  Special					   10:37.6 
ret Heinrich Herbster		Veritas-Bugatti		 2.3 sc
Racecars Formula 2:
1st Hans Stuck			   AFM-BMW				 2.0	8:37.1 (1st overall)
2nd Hans Gerbel			  BMW Special			 2.0
ret Helmut Polensky		  Monopol-BMW			 2.0

Switzerland:
19.06.1949 Rheineck - Walzenhausen - Lachen
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st Max de Terra			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	5:16.8
2nd Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	5:20.0
3rd Humbert Joly			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	5:22.4
4th O. Wild				  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	5:49.2
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc 4:43.2 (1st overall)
2nd Rudolf Fischer		   Simca-Gordini		   1.4	4:45.0
3rd Antonio Branca		   Maserati				1.5 sc 5:03.4
4th F. Sechehaye			 Maserati				1.5 sc 5:33.8
ret Max Christen			 Suiza-Maserati		  1.5 sc no time

17.07.1949 Develier - Les Rangiers
racecars up to 0.750l:
1st J. Erard				 Erard				   750	5:06.8
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st A. Canonica			  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	4:01.6
2nd Claude Bernheim		  Cisitalia			   1.1	4:04.8
3rd Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	4:06.8
4th Max de Terra			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	4:13.6
5th O. Wild				  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	4:18.0
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc 3:18.0 (1st overall)
2nd Rudolf Fischer		   Simca-Gordini		   1.5	3:29.8
3rd F. Sechehaye			 Maserati				1.5 sc 4:14.4

24.07.1949 La Sonnaz (Sprint hillclimb)
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	0:56.6
 =  A. Canonica			  Cisitalia			   1.1	0:56.6
3rd Max de Terra			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	0:58.8
4th Claude Bernheim		  Cisitalia			   1.1	0:59.0
5th O. Wild				  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	0:59.6
6th Humbert Joly			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	1:01.0
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Rudolf Fischer		   Simca-Gordini		   1.5	0:52.2 (1st overall)
ret F. Sechehaye			 Maserati				1.5 sc no time

21.08.1949 Maloja
Racecars up to 1.1l:
1st Humbert Joly			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	8:48.2
2nd A. Canonica			  Cisitalia			   1.1	8:59.6
3rd Max de Terra			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	9:04.0
4th O. Wild				  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	9:16.0
5th G. Quercioni			 Fiat					1.1   10:33.2
ret St. Coldham			  Cooper				  1.0	no time 
Racecars up to 1.5l:
1st Rudolf Fischer		   Simca-Gordini		   1.4	8:01.4
2nd Max Christen			 Maserati				1.5	8:37.6
3rd E. Ramseyer			  Maserati				1.5 sc 9:31.8
Racecars up to 2.0l:
1st Hans Stuck			   AFM-BMW				 2.0	7:50.4 (1st overall)


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Posted 14 November 2010 - 19:18

Lots of older F1 cars were used on the hills in Britain in the 1940s through to the 1970s. After that it was usually the engines that made it into hillclimb chassis.

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Unraced f1 cars as well including Roy Lane in the March 2-4-0.

#16 uechtel

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Posted 14 November 2010 - 21:43

1950:

Germany:
18.06.1950 Sternberg (Oberhof - Zella-Mehlis)
Formula 2:
 1st Paul Greifzu			 Greifzu-BMW			 2.0		   (1st overall)
 2nd Kurt Baum				Baum-BMW				2.0

06.08.1950 Schauinsland
Formula 1:
 1st Paul Pietsch			 Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  8:16.5
 2nd Felice Bonetto		   Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  8:29.4
 3rd Manfred Herbster		 Veritas-Bugatti				10:20.8
 Formula 2:
 1st Fritz Rieß			   AFM-BMW				 2.0	 8:28.5
 2nd Toni Ulmen			   Veritas Special		 2.0	 8:42.09
  =  Hans Stuck			   AFM-BMW				 2.0	 8:42.09
 4th Adolf Brudes			 Veritas-BMW			 2.0	 
 5th Roger Loyer			  Simca-Gordini
 6th Paul Greifzu			 Greifzu-BMW			 2.0
 7th Rudolf Fischer		   HWM
 8th Paul Glauser			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0
 9th Karl Kling			   Veritas Meteor		  2.0
10th Fergus Andersson		 HWM					 
11th "J.M. Marcy"			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0
12th Ernst Seiler			 Simca-Gordini
13th Max de Terra			 Cisitalia D46		  
14th Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini
15th Karl Gommann			 AFM-BMW				 2.0
16th "Robert"				 Cisitalia
17th Bruno Huber			  Cisitalia
18th Hans Gerbel			  BMW Special			 2.0
 ret Manfred v. Brauchitsch   AFM-BMW				 2.0
 ret Kaspar Aebli			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0

Switzerland:
11.06.1950 Valangin - Vue des Alpes
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st C. A. N. May			 Cooper				  500	 6:07.4
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Louis Noverraz		   Cooper				  1.1	 5:36.4
 2nd Harry Schell			 Cooper				  1.1	 5:43.4
 3rd Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	 5:57.8
 4th Max de Terra			 Cisitalia D46		   1.1	 6:09.0
 5th E. Sommerhalder		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 6:12.4
 6th B. Huber				 Cisitalia			   1.1	 6:23.6
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Louis Chiron			 Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  4:57.4 (1st overall)
 2nd Giovanni Bracco		  Ferrari 125			 1.5 sc  4:57.8
 3rd "B. Bira"				Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  5:01.2
 4th Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  5:03.8
 5th Antonio Branca		   Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 5:29.6
 6th Claude Bernheim		  Cisitalia-Abarth		1.2	 5:49.6
 7th Max Christen			 Maserati-Suiza		  1.5 sc  5:54.4
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Joe Fry				  ERA					 2.0 sc  6:05.0

02.07.1950 Siders - Crans Montana
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Louis Noverraz		   Cooper				  1.0	10:40.8
 2nd Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	11:02.2
 3rd Betty Haig			   Cooper				  1.0	11:14.2
 4th B. Huber				 Cisitalia			   1.1	11:13.4
 5th Max de Terra			 Cisitalia			   1.1	11:25.2
 6th M. Duberti			   Abarth				  1.1	11:29.0
 7th Frits van Erp			AFM					 1.1	13:56.2
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Giovanni Bracco		  Ferrari 125			 1.5 sc  9:39.6
 2nd Antonio Branca		   Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 9:49.2
 3rd "B. Bira"				Maserati 4 CLT		  1.5 sc  9:49.8
 4th Emmanuel de Graaffenried Maserati 4 CLT		  1.5 sc  9:50.6
 5th Max Christen			 Maserati-Suiza		  1.5 sc 11:25.2
 6th M. Felley				Maserati				1.5	13:29.8
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Hans Stuck			   AFM-BMW				 2.0	 9:35.6 (1st overall)
 2nd Peter Hirt			   Veritas Meteor		  2.0	10:13.6
 3rd Paul Glauser			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0	11:04.2

09.07.1950 La Sonnaz
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	   57.2
 2nd B. Huber				 Cisitalia			   1.1	 1:00.0
 3rd Max de Terra			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 1:08.5
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc	51.8 (1st overall)
 2nd Antonio Branca		   Maserati				1.5 sc	54.4
 3rd L. Felley				Maserati				1.5 sc  1:04.4
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Peter Hirt			   Veritas Meteor		  2.0	   55.8
 2nd Paul Glauser			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0	   57.6
 3rd Kaspar Aebli			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0	   57.8
 4th "J.M. Marcy"			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0	   58.4

01.10.1950 Mitholz - Kandersteg
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Alfred Dattner		   Simca Gordini		   1.1	 3:19.0  
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#17 uechtel

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 18:51

1951:

Germany:
05.08.1951 Schauinsland
Racecars unlimited:
 1st Ken Wharton			  ERA B-Type			  1.5 sc  8:05.31 (1st overall)
 2nd Willy Daetwyler		  Alfa Romeo 412		  4.5 sc  8:25.32
Formula 1:
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 212			 2.5	 8:07.15
 2nd Antonio Branca		   Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  8:20.22
 3rd Paul Pietsch			 Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  8:26.33
 4th Bob Cowell			   Alta					1.5 
Formula 2:
 1st Paul Pietsch			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0	 8:09.15
 2nd Hans Stuck			   AFM-Küchen			  2.0	 8:12.13
 3rd Fritz Rieß			   AFM-BMW				 2.0	 8:20.73
 4th Stirling Moss			HWM-Alta				2.0	 8:24.08
 5th Robert M.-Charrington	Cooper-JAP			  1.1
 6th Paul Greifzu			 Greifzu-BMW			 2.0
 7th Franco Cortese		   Ferrari 166			 2.0
 8th Toni Ulmen			   Veritas RS			  2.0
 9th Alexander Orley		  Veritas-BMW			 2.0
10th Rene Bonnet			  DB 
11th Cecil Heath			  HWM-Alta				2.0
12th Zdenko von Schönborn	 Simca-Gordini		   1.5
13th Anthony Stokes		   Alta					2.0
14th Hans Gerbel			  BMW Special			 2.0
15th Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia D46		   1.1
16th Ernst Klodwwig		   BMW Special			 2.0
Formula 3:
 1st Stirling Moss			Kieft				   500	 8:18.99
 2nd Ken Wharton			  Cooper				  500	 8:49.87
 3rd Felice Bonetto		   Volpini-Gilera		  500	 8:52.81
 4th Walter Komossa		   Scampolo				500	 9:07.14
 5th Pim Richardson		   Beels-JAP			   500	 9:47.78
 ret J. Keller				Keller-Spezial		  500	 no time
 etc.

Switzerland:
17.06.1951 Rheineck - Walzenhausen - Lachen
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st C. Guldimann			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 5:30.4
 2nd L. Ducrey				Cooper				  500	 5:47.4
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  4:36.6
 2nd Toni Branca			  Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 4:46.6
 3rd Ernst Seiler			 Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 5:02.2
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Kaspar Aebli			 Veritas Meteor		  2.0	 4:50.0
Racecars over 2.0L
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 212			 2.6	 4:36.2 (1st overall)

15.07.1951 Develier - Les Rangiers
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st F. Rochat				Simca-Gordini		   1.1	 3:48.4
 2nd F. Aubert				Cooper				  1.1	 4:01.0
 3rd J. Papaux				Cisitalia			   1.1	 4:06.8
 4th L.F. Ducrey			  Cooper				  500	 4:17.6
 5th C. Guldimann			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 4:25.0
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati 4CLT		   1.5 sc  3:29.0
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 212			 2.6	 3:16.0 (1st overall)

26.08.1951 Tiefencastel - Lenzerheide
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Ferdinand Aubert		 Cooper				  1.1	 4:09.6
 2nd Walter Meier			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 4:20.0
 3rd Claire Guldimann		 Cisitalia			   1.1	 4:31.8
 4th Josef Papaux			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 4:33.8
 5th Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	 4:37.2
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st "Herve"				  HWM					 2.0	 4:08.8
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 212			 2.6	 3:31.8 (1st overall)

02.09.1951 Mitholz - Kandersteg
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Ferdinand Aubert		 Cooper				  1.1	 1:53.6 (winner racecar class)
 2nd Claire Guldimann		 Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:14.2
 3rd Joseph Papaux			Cisitalia-AFM		   1.1	 2:39.8
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Max Christen			 Maserati-Suiza		  1.5 sc  1:54.8
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st "Herve"				  HWM					 2.0	 2:02.4

23.09.1951 Aldiswil - Albis
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Ferdinand Aubert		 Cooper				  1.1	 2:42.9
 2nd Walter Meier			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:58.1
 3rd Francis Rochat		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	 3:00.4
 4th Josef Papaux			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 3:09.6
 5th Claire Guldimann		 Cisitalia			   1.1	 3:11.8
 6th Jakob Keller			 Scampolo				500	 3:22.9
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Max Christen			 Maserati-Suiza		  1.5 sc  2:45.8
Racecars up to 2.0 l:
 1st Hans Stuck			   AFM-Küchen			  2.0	 2:40.2
 2nd Toni Ulmen			   Veritas				 2.0	 2:43.8
 3rd "Herve"				  HWM					 2.0	 2:51.5
 4th Peter Hirt			   Veritas Meteor		  2.0	 4:01.7
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 212			 2.6	 2:34.0 (1st overall)


#18 uechtel

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 19:23

1952:

Germany:
29.06.1952 Kyffhäuser
Formula 2:
 1st Hans Stuck			   AFM-Küchen			  2.0			 (1st overall)
 2nd Jürgen Perduß			IFA Rennkollektiv	   2.0
 3rd Josef Peters			 Veritas RS			  2.0
 ret Rudolf Krause			Reif-BMW				2.0

Switzerland:
22.06.1952 Altstätten - Stoß
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st J. Keller				JKZ					 500	 5:41.2
 ret H. Zweifel			   Cooper				  500	 no time
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st W. Meier				 Cisitalia			   1.1	 4:57.8
 2nd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	 4:58.4
 3rd F. Rochat				Simca-Gordini		   1.1	 5:01.6
 4th H. Gilomen			   Cooper				  1.1	 6:08.6
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st max de Terra			 Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 4:43.4
Racecars up to 2.0L.
 1st Peter Hirt			   Ferrari 212/166		 2.0	 4:37.8
 2nd "Herve"				  HWM					 2.0	 4:56.0
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 500/625		 2.5	 4:15.4 (1st overall)
 2nd Max Christen			 Maserati-Suiza		  1.5 sc  4:44.8

24.08.1952 Mitholz - Kandersteg
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Hansjörg Gilomen		 Cooper				  1.1	 1:55.8
 2nd Walter Meier			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:00.2
 3rd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia D46		   1.1	 2:08.6
 4th Roland Heiniger		  Cooper				  500	 2:13.2
 ret Francis Rochat		   Simca-Gordini		   1.1	 no time
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Max de Terra			 Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 2:03.2
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 500			 2.0	 1:46.2 (1st overall)
 2nd "Herve"				  HWM					 2.0	 2:00.2
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Peter Hirt			   Ferrari 212			 2.6	 1:52.4
 2nd Robert Jenni			 Alfa Romeo			  2.3	 2:17.4

31.08.1952 Maloja (results very bad readable :( - )
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st Dellocchio			   Cooper				  500
 2nd Roland Heiniger		  Cooper				  500
 3rd "Nemo"				   Volpini-Gilera		  500
Racecars up to 0.75l:
 1st K. Rovelli			   Fiat-Stanguellini	   750
 2nd A. Pozzi				 Siata				   750
 3rd E. Rovello			   BMW					 750
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Walter Meier			 Cisitalia			   1.1
 2nd casalegno				Cisitalia			   1.1
 3rd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia D46		   1.1
 4th F. Rochet				Simca-Gordini		   1.1
 ret Hansjörg Gilomen		 Cooper				  1.1	 no time
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Zdenko v. Schönborn	  Simca-Gordini		   1.5
 2nd Max de Terra			 Simca-Gordini		   1.5
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 500			 2.0			 (1st overall)
 2nd Ludwig Fischer		   AFM-BMW				 2.0
 3rd Ottorino Volonterio	  Ferrari 166			 2.0
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st A. Macchieraldo		  Maserati 4 CLT		  1.5 sc
 2nd Max Christen			 Maserati-Suiza		  1.5 sc
 3rd Quadri				   Maserati				1.5 sc
 4th "Herve"				  Jaguar				  3.5


#19 uechtel

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 19:59

1953:

Germany:
09.08.1953 Schauinsland
Formula 3:
 1st Kurt Ahrens			  Cooper				  500	 8:52.08
 2nd Theo Fitzau			  Cooper				  500	 9:03.09
 3rd Kurt Kuhnke			  Cooper				  500	 9:12.69
 4th Guy Loens				Kieft				   500	 9:13.17
 5th Willi Lehmann			BMW Special			 500	 9:16.05
 etc.
Formula 2:
 1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati A6GCM		  2.0	 8:01.24 (1st overall)
 2nd Rudolf Fischer		   Ferrari 500			 2.0	 8:07.69
 3rd Hans Stuck			   AFM-Bristol			 2.0	 8:12.17
 4th Alan Brown			   Cooper-Bristol		  2.0	 8:13.73
 5th Kenneth McAlpine		 Connaught			   2.0	 8:20.74
 6th Hans Herrmann			Veritas Meteor		  2.0	 8:21.31
 7th Karl-Günther Bechem	  AFM Sport			   2.0	 8:33.41
 8th "B. Bira"				Connaught			   2.0
 9th Theo Helfrich			Veritas RS			  2.0
10th Joseph Hummel			Veritas RS			  2.0
11th Wolfgang Seidel		  Veritas RS			  2.0
12th Erwwin Bauer			 Veritas-BMW			 2.0
13th Hans Blees			   AFM-BMW				 2.0

Switzerland:
12.07.1953 Valangin - Vue des Alpes
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st Roland Heiniger		  Cooper				  500	 6:12.2
 2nd Walter Bühler			Cooper				  500	 6:14.3
 3rd Ferdinand Aubert		 Cooper				  500	 6:29.7
 4th Peer Schmidt			 SS Martin			   500	 7:31.9
 ret Marcel Gahus			 Cooper				  500	 no time
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Hansjürg Gilomen		 Cooper				  1.1	 5:36.4
 2nd Hans Jaeger			  AFM					 1.1	 6:06.9 
 3rd Max de Terra			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 6:07.8
 4th Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 6:10.8
 5th Francis Rochat		   Gordini				 1.1	 6:13.7
 6th Hermann Helbling		 Fiat Nardi-Danese	   1.1	 6:15.4
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Alfred Dattner		   Simca				   1.5	 6:04.4
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Juan Manuel Fangio	   Maserati A6GCM		  2.0	 4:46.4 (1st overall)
 2nd Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati A6GCM		  2.0	 4:50.7
 3rd Hans Stuck			   AFM-Bristol			 2.0	 5:05.6
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Ken Wharton			  ERA					 2.0 sc  4:47.0
 2nd Willy Peter Daetwyler	Alfa Romeo 412		  4.5 sc  4:50.8


16.08.1953 Ollon - Villars
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st F. Aubert				Cooper				  500	 6:24.58
 2nd R. Heiniger			  Cooper				  500	 6:40.73
 ret R. Martin				SS Martin			   500	 no time
 ret R. Gabus				 Cooper				  500	 no time
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st H. Gilomen			   Cooper				  1.1	 5:20.00
 2nd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 6:02.19
 3rd Max de Terra			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 6:03.20
 4th W. Meier				 Cisitalia			   1.1	 6:06.55
 5th F. Rochat				Gordini				 1.1	 6:21.45
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 5:59.01
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Emmanuel de Graffenried  Maserati A6GCM		  2.0	 5:59.01
 2nd Ottorino Volonterio	  Maserati				2.0	 6:22.56
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st W. Daetwyler			 Alfa Romeo 412		  4.5 sc  5:05.09 (1st overall)

13.09.1953 Mitholz - Kandersteg
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st Roland Heiniger		  Cooper				  500	 2:08.8
 2nd Walter Bühler			Cooper				  500	 2:09.8
 3rd Rene Martin			  SS Martin			   500	 2:36.4
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st H. Gilomen			   Cooper				  1.1	 1:48.0
 2nd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:05.0
 3rd Fr. Rochat			   Gordini				 1.1	 2:06.2
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 1:57.2
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st Max de Terra			 Ferrari 500			 2.0	 2:16.4
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st W.P. Daetwyler		   Alfa Romeo 412		  4.5 sc  1:42.6 (1st overall)
 2nd Fritz Fanti			  Alfa Romeo			  2.3 sc  2:26.6


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#20 uechtel

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 20:46

1954/55:

Switzerland:
11.07.1954 Rheineck - Walzenhausen
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st Theo Helfrich			Cooper				  500	 4:53.2
 2nd Kurt Ahrens			  Cooper				  500	 4:59.2
 3rd Luigi Cavanna			Guzzi				   500	 5:20.6
 4th "Caulins"				Cooper				  500	 5:33.2
 5th H. Zweifel			   Cooper				  500	 5:52.8
 6th "Quick"				  BMW Special			 500	 6:11.8
 7th R. Stammbach			 BMW Special			 500	 6:25.0
Racecars up to 1.l:
 1st H. Gilomen			   Cooper				  1.1	 4:35.4 (winner race car class)
 2nd Willy Franz			  Cisitalia			   1.1	 5:06.8
 3rd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 5:10.8
 4th Max de Terra			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 5:23.0
 5th Hilde Künzler			OSCA					1.1	 5:31.8
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Otto Mathe			   Porsche Special		 1.5	 4:50.2
 2nd Alfred Dattner		   Simca-Gordini		   1.5	 5:10.8
 3rd Paul Waldner			 Cisitalia Special	   1.2	 5:24.8
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Ken Wharton			  ERA					 2.0 sc  4:37.2 
 2nd "Wuff"				   Maserati				1.5 sc  no time

26.09.1954 Mitholz - Kandersteg
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st H. Gilomen			   Cooper				  500	 2:01.6
 2nd H. Zweifel			   Cooper				  500	 2:07.6
 3rd Marcel Gabus			 Cooper				  500	 2:13.8
 4th "Quick"				  BMW Special			 500	 2:27.0
Racecars up to 1.l:
 1st H. Gilomen			   Cooper				  1.1	 1:55.6 (winner race car class)
 2nd Willy Franz			  Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:03.4
 3rd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:19.4
Racecars up to 1.5l: 
 1st P. Waldner			   Cisitalia Special	   1.2	 2:01.8
Racecars up to 2.0l:
 1st H. Reglitzky			 Bugatti				 2.0	 2:21.6

24.04.1955 Steckborn - Eichhölzli
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st Harry Zweifel			Cooper				  500	 2:09.3
 2nd Franz Kehrli			 BSA Special			 500	 2:41.8
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Hansjörg Gilomen		 Cooper				  1.1	 2:01.5 (winner race car class)
 2nd Erwin Eckert			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:13.9
 3rd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:16.2
 4th Francis Rochat		   Gordini				 1.1	 2:19.5
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st Charles Vögele		   Porsche				 1.5	 2:21.8
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Erwin Sommerhalder	   MG					  1.3 sc  2:08.8

11.09.1955 St. Ursanne - Les Rangiers
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st Harry Zweifel			Cooper				  500	 3:00.6
 2nd H. Habegger			  Cooper				  500	 3:06.6
 3rd H. Krattiger			 Cooper				  500	 3:09.2
 4th F. Kehrli				BSA Special			 500	 3:44.4
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Hansjörg Gilomen		 Cooper				  1.1	 2:50.2
 2nd E. Eckert				Cisitalia			   1.1	 3:09.8
 3rd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 3:11.4
 4th Breitenstein			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 3:26.6
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st A. Leuenberger		   Cisitalia			   1.2	 2:57.0
 2nd Charles Vögele		   Glöckler-Porsche		1.5	 2:57.6
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st Daetwyler				Alfa Romeo 412		  4.5 sc  2:45.6 (winner race car class)
 2nd Sommerhalder			 Maserati				1.5 sc  3:04.6
 3rd M. Meylan				Bugatti				 3.6	 3:35.4
 2nd 

25.09.1955 Mitholz - Kandersteg
Racecars up to 0.5l:
 1st Hans Haldemann		   Cooper				  500	 1:58.3
 2nd "Caulins"				Cooper				  500	 1:59.1
 3rd Heinz Krattiger		  Cooper				  500	 2:00.8
 4th Harry Zweifel			Cooper				  500	 2:02.2
 5th Walter Rhyn			  Cooper				  500	 2:05.8
 6th Franz Kehrli			 BSA Special			 500	 2:27.2
 ret Victor Voutat			Cooper				  500	 no time
Racecars up to 1.1l:
 1st Hansjörg Gilomen		 Cooper				  1.1	 1:56.4
 2nd Erwin Eckert			 Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:00.2
 3rd Rita Rampinelli		  Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:05.3
 4th Fl. Breitenstein		 Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:10.5
Racecars up to 1.5l:
 1st A. Leuenberger		   Cisitalia			   1.2	 1:55.0
 2nd Rudolf Roth			  Cisitalia			   1.1	 2:16.4
Racecars over 2.0l:
 1st W.P. Daetwyler		   Alfa Romeo 412		  4.5 sc  1:44.6 (1st overall)
 2nd E. Sommerhalder		  Maserati				1.5 sc  1:53.8

<end of my records>

#21 David McKinney

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 07:25

Wonderful stuff, uechtel

Much appreciated (by me at least) :up:

#22 bradbury west

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 09:05

What a generous gesture to post such a schedule of results - something to print off and study at length. Many thanks.
Roger Lund

#23 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 09:08

In 1970 the Matra MS120 V12 participated in three hillclimbs and won.
09.08.1970 Mt. Dore - J.P.Beltoise
23.08.1970 Cote du Beaujolais - H.Pescarolo
30.08.1970 Cote d'Urcy - J.P.Beltoise


#24 "Shangry-La"

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 09:52

Wonderful stuff, uechtel

Much appreciated (by me at least) :up:


And very much appreciated by me.

ADAM

#25 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 10:28

just an addition to uechtel's great list. Some continental hillclimbs won by F1 cars, besides the listed above.
28.05.1950 CC de Doullens	F	G.Grignard	   Lago Talbot T26C
11.06.1950 CC de la Sarthe   B	A.Legat		  Maserati 4CM
18.06.1950 CC d'Ars		  F	G.Grignard	   Lago Talbot T26C
30.07.1950 Susa-Moncenisio   I	G.Bracco		 Ferrari 125C
20.05.1951 CC de Doullens	F	G.Grignard	   Lago Talbot T26C
15.07.1951 Cran D'Escalles   F	G.Grignard	   Lago Talbot T26C
12.08.1951 Col Bayard		F	K.Wharton		ERA
21.06.1953 CC d'Ars		  F	G.Grignard	   Lago Talbot T26C
27.09.1953 CC Chatellerault  F	G.Grignard	   Lago Talbot T26C
08.08.1954 Col de Bayard	 F	K.Wharton		ERA
22.09.1957 Kandersteg		CH   E.Sommerhalder   Maserati 250 F
03.06.1961 La Faucille	   F	M.Trintigant	 Cooper Maserati
27.08.1961 Klosters – Davos  CH   G.Balzarini	  Cooper Maserati T43
01.07.1962 Rochefort		 CH   H.Schiller	   Porsche 718
26.08.1962 Ollon Villars	 CH   J.Bonnier		Porsche 804
02.09.1962 Chamrousse		F	H.Schiller	   Porsche 718
12.05.1963 CC du Pin		 F	B.Collomb		Lotus Climax 24
25.08.1963 Ollon Villars	 CH   J.Bonnier		Ferguson-Climax
16.09.1963 Vaals Heuvelklim  NL   C.de Beaufort	Porsche 718
07.06.1964 CC du Pin		 F	B.Collomb		Lotus Climax 24
14.06.1964 Mont Ventoux	  F	M.Trintigant	 BRM P57
16.08.1964 Mont Dore		 F	M.Trintigant	 BRM P57
22.08.1965 St Ursanne		CH   J.Siffert		Brabham-BRM BT11
21.08.1966 St Ursanne		CH   J.Siffert		Cooper Maserati T81
18.08.1968 St Ursanne		CH   J.Siffert		Lotus-Ford 49
24.08.1969 St Ursanne		CH   S.Moser		  Brabham Ford BT 24
23.08.1970 St Ursanne		CH   S.Moser		  Bellasi Ford
27.09.1970 Kerenzerberg	  CH   S.Moser		  Bellasi Ford

Edited by Hugo Boecker, 16 November 2010 - 16:28.


#26 uechtel

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 11:27

Nice to see there is interest in this topic. In fact in particular the Swiss racing scene of these years is a very interesting field to discover. For example I think one reason why the maintained their somehwat 'old-fashioned' system of categories may have been the very unique philosophy of the championship system. Not only, that it combined circuit races, hillclimbs, slaloms and rallyes into one single championship, in contrast to everything else I know it was also not based on race results in form of "ranks", but on relative times (that means, the winner of each class gets 100 points and a driver with 95% of the winner´s average gets 95 points, 80% of the average lead to 80 points etc.). To complicate this additionally there was a two-dimensional "penalty" system between the classes. Means, that the winner of an "upper" class gets only full 100 points if he is faster than any winner of the "lower" classes. This works two-dimensional because for example the 1.5 litre class is "superior" over the 1.1 litre class, but also the 1.5 litre race car class is regarded "superior" to the 1.5 litre sports car class.

So the Swiss ran into very big problems when the FIA set new capacity limits in 1954 for the touring cars, as it was now debatable whether the winner of the 1.6 l touring car class could "punish" the winner of the 1.5l spors car class! If the Swiss had adopted the official international formulas for the race cars this would have led to an immediate breakdown of the whol championship system.

A very remarkable event to me is also that 1947 "christmas hillclimb". Imagine today´s Formula 1 cars running on snowy or icy unpaved surface!

Besides that I think in that period also in Great Britain, France and Italy hillclimbs there were quite many hillclimbs either, but I have only very rudimentary knowledge about this. So I would apperciate very much if somebody would be able to deliver some dates and results for this, too.

#27 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 12:52

A very remarkable event to me is also that 1947 "christmas hillclimb". Imagine today´s Formula 1 cars running on snowy or icy unpaved surface!

Don't tell it Bernie. :)

#28 alfaronny

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 13:50

1962 CC de ROCHEFORT - LA TOURNE = JULY 1st
I only have the date; anyone who knows if there were any Alfa Romeo's entered ? And their eventual result ?
Thanks,
Ronny

#29 alfaronny

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 13:53

1963 CC du PIN May 12
Same as above:
I only have the date; anyone who knows if there were any Alfa Romeo's entered ? And their eventual result ?
Thanks,
Ronny

#30 GIGLEUX

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 14:05

just an addition to uechtel's great list. Some continental hillclimbs won by F1 cars, besides the listed above.
[code=auto:0]28.05.1950 CC de Doullens F G.Gringard Lago Talbot T26C18.06.1950 CC d'Ars F G.Gringard Lago Talbot T26C20.05.1951 CC de Doullens F G.Gringard Lago Talbot T26C15.07.1951 Cran D'Escalles F G.Gringard Lago Talbot T26C
21.06.1953 CC d'Ars F G.Gringard Lago Talbot T26C
27.09.1953 CC Chatellerault F G.Gringard Lago Talbot T26C

Of course everytime it is Georges GRIGNARD


#31 chdphd

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 15:14

A very remarkable event to me is also that 1947 "christmas hillclimb". Imagine today´s Formula 1 cars running on snowy or icy unpaved surface!

:clap:

Red Bull:
BMW:
Mclaren: http://www.metacafe....ren_f1_in_snow/

#32 Hugo Boecker

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 16:24

Of course everytime it is Georges GRIGNARD

Of course, sorry messed it up.

#33 ERault

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 18:38

1963 CC du PIN May 12
Same as above:
I only have the date; anyone who knows if there were any Alfa Romeo's entered ? And their eventual result ?
Thanks,
Ronny


Don't know about the Alfas, but I can offer the podium :
1 Collomb - Lotus 24
2 Fraissinet - Porsche 718 RS
3 Tavano - Ferrari 250 GTO
One could see wonderful cars on the hills in those years...

#34 Oleksij Hrushko

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Posted 30 December 2010 - 12:28

So, only two hillclimbs witn Formula 1 class. But many thanks for sharing the results of whole period!

Edited by Oleksij Hrushko, 30 December 2010 - 12:29.


#35 The Mountaineer

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 09:12

Gianni Balzarini's Cooper-Maserati mentioned in post 25 (Klosters-Davos 1961) was in fact a Maserati-engined Coper Monaco Sports Car.


#36 Bruno

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Posted 02 January 2011 - 09:32

please résult. you know who won the overall and category

6/6/59 course de côte du Pin
Fernand Tavano/ 500 TRC "0696MDTR" #105 1er
Pierre Dumay "Loustel"/ 250 GT "TdF" "1357GT" 1er

#37 Allen Brown

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 19:16

Does this need a bounce?

F1 cars continued to be used in hill climbs across Europe into the 1970s but they weren't eligible for points in any major national championship after the French banned them in 1973. So although you still see Tyrrell 007s and other competing later than that, they are rarely mentioned in the results unless they happened to set BTD.