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[Massa]

He is not far away of the truth. The real weakness of the car is the engine who can't match Renault and Mercedes for off-throttle. The chassis itself is good.

[Richard T]

So long F150th, hope you enjoy your christmas vacation along with Mrs. F60 cause come January, it's junkyard time!!

[puxanando]

After Brazilian GP there was a meeting in Maranello with Neil Martin, Tombazis and Byrne there.
Byrne said to the members who don't believe in sucess of next car can "take the door" right now.....

[prty]

this car was very good aerodynamically. i dont know why people are hating it

it was let down by the ferrari engine and their butterfly valves. renault could go 90% off-throttle when ferrari could only manage 25%.

when the playing field was equalized in silverstone they won. f150 was a 'championship winning' car

Yep, I agree with that.

[YellowHelmet]

this car was very good aerodynamically. i dont know why people are hating it

it was let down by the ferrari engine and their butterfly valves. renault could go 90% off-throttle when ferrari could only manage 25%.

when the playing field was equalized in silverstone they won. f150 was a 'championship winning' car

thats why it was for me very hard to understand, why ferrari allowed this illegal aerodynamic help to decide this years championship.

ferrari played it right and lost
rb played it dirty and broke several records.
i dont know what is better.

[fabr68]

this car was very good aerodynamically. i dont know why people are hating it

it was let down by the ferrari engine and their butterfly valves. renault could go 90% off-throttle when ferrari could only manage 25%.

when the playing field was equalized in silverstone they won. f150 was a 'championship winning' car

I agree. But the one thing that still puzzles me is the fact of the F150 turning into crap with the harder tires. With the softs, the car was half-decent in Alonso's hands. Switch to mediums/hards and you would think they changed Alonso's car with a mid-fielder. It was absolutely horrible to see Alonso turn into cannon fodder

I would not think this issue is related to the blown diffuser but rather a suspension, car dynamics problem.

[Andy865]

Erm, the EBD was perfectly legal, as it was since 2010... not following you guys there?

And ferrari have been naff for tyre warmup for years, 2004ish i think. Though this year it was worse.

[KnucklesAgain]

After Brazilian GP there was a meeting in Maranello with Neil Martin, Tombazis and Byrne there.
Byrne said to the members who don't believe in sucess of next car can "take the door" right now.....

Seems like an awfully inside view. Source? thx

[Sevach]

And ferrari have been naff for tyre warmup for years, 2004ish i think. Though this year it was worse.

Come on, in the years past the tyre warming problems amounted the car is slightly better in the race in comparison to qualy, not put the harder tyre and the pace is gone.

[Andy865]

Come on, in the years past the tyre warming problems amounted the car is slightly better in the race in comparison to qualy, not put the harder tyre and the pace is gone.

Agreed, entirely

Thats why I said, this year was worse.

[TheBunk]

Maybe it also looked worse because all year we only had one car running.

[Red27br]

Maybe it also looked worse because all year we only had one car running.

Hi Guys

It is not so often that I post here but ii believe now it is a good time as it is the end of season.

Ferrari Performance. It was not a good year as we all did see but performance is always a comparative matter.
Let me explain during some races mainly in the second half of the season we did have a car to win races. We did not win for several reason maybe qualify to far behind or maybe exit lap of pits were too slow due to the fact we do not warm up the tyres very fast.
But the fact is the car were competitive in many track but this year we had 3 teams very close so sometimes the final result do not express properly the car speed in one track.
Just to give an example in interlagos neither hamilton or button hat the pace of alonso on softs this happed in other circuits aswell.

We are not that far from top as many people thinks and alonso is a superb driver. I was in Interlagos yesterday and i could not believe in his move on Button.

2012 will be better


Regards

Rodrigo

[KirilVarbanov]

Maybe it also looked worse because all year we only had one car running.

Oh, that's the other bit that worries me.

No disrespect to Massa, but I'm sure he can be better. We've seen him better.
Overall, I'm glad that the season is over. Hopes are high for 2012, as usual.

[Seanspeed]

I was in Interlagos yesterday and i could not believe in his move on Button.

Definitely an incredible pass.

[cilurnum]

It makes it a waste of time, not funny.

No, it's a waste of time because you don't want to discuss what goes on in such political environments and why they are always very difficult places as I'd pointed out. What Pat Fry said is just the tip of the iceberg, and past history precedes it. That apparently is 'doom mongering' though which isn't allowed, so I'm sure next year will be full of black ponies running in wide open sunny meadows.

Edited by cilurnum, 28 November 2011 - 15:40.

[Skellen]

After Brazilian GP there was a meeting in Maranello with Neil Martin, Tombazis and Byrne there.
Byrne said to the members who don't believe in sucess of next car can "take the door" right now.....

Source?

[CrucialXtreme]

Source?

Jose Luis & TruzoneF1

http://twitter.com/#!/joseluisf1

http://twitter.com/#!/Truzonef1

Who exactly they are I'm not sure, but they have had accurate information all season long.

[Skellen]

Jose Luis & TruzoneF1

http://twitter.com/#!/joseluisf1

http://twitter.com/#!/Truzonef1

Who exactly they are I'm not sure, but they have had accurate information all season long.

Its very important to believe in success. Hope it will translate into very good results in the next season.

[toroRosso]

why couldn't felipe achieve higher than p5 all year? his fault or ferraris fault? A good answer is needed or ill have to seek it outside this thread

[Andy865]

he was slow.

Also, he was usually behind alonso so he was always a lap later into the pits, losing time.
Whenever he wasnt, i.e korea, he was too slow.

[CrucialXtreme]

Its very important to believe in success. Hope it will translate into very good results in the next season.

If you have Twitter I suggest following these two. They post lots of information regarding Ferrari.

Yes I hope very much for a competitive car in 2012.

why couldn't felipe achieve higher than p5 all year? his fault or ferraris fault? A good answer is needed or ill have to seek it outside this thread

Very good question. I think it's due in part to poor performance of the car. And I think the other part is Felipe. I'm a Ferrari supporter with total loyalty and I'm a fan of Alonso. I am however I Massa supporter and want to see him do well not just for the team but for himself. But I'm just not sure he's the same pilot pre- Hungarian GP. It pains me to say it but he hasn't won since 2008 and didn't have a strong season in 2010 even with a competitive car. I am hoping he returns to form in 2012.

[jetalt]

Nice vid:

[ed24f1]

why couldn't felipe achieve higher than p5 all year? his fault or ferraris fault? A good answer is needed or ill have to seek it outside this thread

Well I can think of really clear chances to be on the podium, and a few others that were possible but more unlikely.

In Malaysia he was running very strongly until an awful pitstop that put him behind Heidfeld who ended up 3rd. In China he was the fastest car on track for some parts of the race, but Ferrari went for the arguably slower 2-stop strategy dropping him to 6th at the end. In Canada his pace and track position was good, but he got caught out by Karthikeyan, who is a repeat offender when it comes to silly moves in front of cars lapping him.

So I think it was a little bit of Ferrari's fault, mixed with some pure bad luck but of course Felipe can't take no blame.

[walkindude]

Any idea why the Spa update didn't work?Since the windtunnel was fixed by then.It certainly doesn't bode well for next year if they don't know why the update failed.Or maybe it's just me trying to keep my hopes in check.

[kosmos]

Alonso in Autosprint, I'm going to use google for this, but the summary from autosprint by an Spanish journalist is here:

http://www.elconfide...n-espana-88550/

"At the beginning of the year Red Bull was much faster than 2010," but also found that the car also had "far more reliable." Still, even "Hungary believed that there was room for new pieces expected to change behavior, but it was not."

"The problem is that EBD were the basis of the 2011 cars for the big teams, but we had started working very late, with the problems of winter, the wind tunnel. Throughout the season we were two or three races late (in development) "

"Even we used items that were used to present the car in January!. Each innovation was a step back, and we didn¡t understand. And we even have to use elements from two or three races back that we had kept in the closet (discarded pieces?)."

Did some fixing.

Edited by kosmos, 29 November 2011 - 14:56.

[SCUDmissile]

Any idea why the Spa update didn't work?Since the windtunnel was fixed by then.It certainly doesn't bode well for next year if they don't know why the update failed.Or maybe it's just me trying to keep my hopes in check.

A piece could work in a fine wind tunnel yet still not work in real life. Like in the autos print article, the Ferrari was not designed around this extensive ebd.
But I think I read an article saying they had rectified the problem, but they felt it was pointless to add it so late in the season especially when working on the 2012 car.

[Massa]

Well I can think of really clear chances to be on the podium, and a few others that were possible but more unlikely.

In Malaysia he was running very strongly until an awful pitstop that put him behind Heidfeld who ended up 3rd. In China he was the fastest car on track for some parts of the race, but Ferrari went for the arguably slower 2-stop strategy dropping him to 6th at the end. In Canada his pace and track position was good, but he got caught out by Karthikeyan, who is a repeat offender when it comes to silly moves in front of cars lapping him.

So I think it was a little bit of Ferrari's fault, mixed with some pure bad luck but of course Felipe can't take no blame.

At China if Ferrari put him on three stopper, he would won the race. He was as fast as Vettel on the soft tyres.

During the first stint, only Vettel was faster than him, he overtakes both Mclaren during the first stint.

[BernieEc]

At China if Ferrari put him on three stopper, he would won the race. He was as fast as Vettel on the soft tyres.

During the first stint, only Vettel was faster than him, he overtakes both Mclaren during the first stint.

At the Chinese Grand prix....please when did that happen....him overtaking both Mclarens.....I must have missed that!!!!!

you sure about that mate???

[ferrarijon123]

At the Chinese Grand prix....please when did that happen....him overtaking both Mclarens.....I must have missed that!!!!!

you sure about that mate???

It true i remember that.

[SCUDmissile]

At the Chinese Grand prix....please when did that happen....him overtaking both Mclarens.....I must have missed that!!!!!

you sure about that mate???

i remember, i dont have a video. it was the first stop, when Jenson went in the wrong pits, Lewis had to stay out a lap too late, then Felipe passed him going inot the pitlane, and stayed ahead until the 3 stop. race win was possible. imo.

[Massa]

He overtakes Hamilton on the pit lane, like Alonso at Malaysia 2010. It was very important to do that for him, because he could run in clean air all the race. But it was a stupid decision by Ferrari to put him on two stopper. They do that just because Vettel went to this strategy.

[PoleMan]

Given the controversy at the start of the season over the F-150 name, turns out it's the "other" F-150 that takes home some glory in 2011. I'll leave comments on the obvious irony in the platitudes to others.


MOTOR TREND NAMES FORD F-150 2012 TRUCK OF THE YEAR®
Announcement Made at Ford’s World Headquarters in Dearborn, Mich.

El Segundo, Calif. (December 12, 2011) – Motor Trend, the world’s automotive authority on cars, trucks and SUVs, today announced the Ford F-150 as the winner of its Motor Trend Truck of the Year Award® from Ford’s world headquarters in Dearborn, Mich. Motor Trend’s Editor-in-Chief, Edward Loh, presented the award to Ford’s Executive Vice President Mark Fields and Group Vice President Derrick Kuzak.

After meticulous note taking, heated discussion and hours of driving, the 2012 Ford F-150 earned this year’s honor because it was the truck that Motor Trend judges felt best met the award’s six key criteria: engineering excellence, advancement in design, efficiency, safety, value, and performance of intended function.

“The bottom line is that the F-150 simply excels at being… a truck. It mastered every task we subjected it to, acing our instrumented tests at the proving grounds and swaying opinions during our real-world road evaluations,” said Loh. “In fact, our judges actually preferred the ride and performance of the F-150 when it was loaded with thousands of pounds of payload or saddled with a heavy trailer. It seemed the more we pushed the F-150, the better it performed.”

Edited by PoleMan, 12 December 2011 - 18:04.

[SCUDmissile]

[quote name='PoleMan' post='5446363' date='Dec 12 2011, 18:03']Given the controversy at the start of the season over the F-150 name, turns out it's the "other" F-150 that takes home some glory in 2011. I'll leave comments on the obvious irony in the platitudes to others.


MOTOR TREND NAMES FORD F-150 2012 TRUCK OF THE YEAR®
Announcement Made at Ford’s World Headquarters in Dearborn, Mich.

El Segundo, Calif. (December 12, 2011) – Motor Trend, the world’s automotive authority on cars, trucks and SUVs, today announced the Ford F-150 as the winner of its Motor Trend Truck of the Year Award® from Ford’s world headquarters in Dearborn, Mich. Motor Trend’s Editor-in-Chief, Edward Loh, presented the award to Ford’s Executive Vice President Mark Fields and Group Vice President Derrick Kuzak.

After meticulous note taking, heated discussion and hours of driving, the 2012 Ford F-150 earned this year’s honor because it was the truck that Motor Trend judges felt best met the award’s six key criteria: engineering excellence, advancement in design, efficiency, safety, value, and performance of intended function.

“The bottom line is that the F-150 simply excels at being… a truck. It mastered every task we subjected it to, acing our instrumented tests at the proving grounds and swaying opinions during our real-world road evaluations,” said Loh. “In fact, our judges actually preferred the ride and performance of the F-150 when it was loaded with thousands of pounds of payload or saddled with a heavy trailer. It seemed the more we pushed the F-150, the better it performed."[/quote]

Edited by SCUDmissile, 12 December 2011 - 18:10.

[currupipi]

who revived this thread, this is blasphemy, good riddance to the truck

[PoleMan]

who revived this thread, this is blasphemy, good riddance to the truck

Guilty as charged.

But I have a feeling that in 2012, Ferrari will take home the big trophies and end of year honors.

[shanser]

Guilty as charged.

But I have a feeling that in 2012, Ferrari will take home the big trophies and end of year honors.

i had the same feeling after pre-season testing this season

[Owen]

who revived this thread, this is blasphemy, good riddance to the truck

To all those who maintained the F150 was a winner; you were right.

[currupipi]

Guilty as charged.

But I have a feeling that in 2012, Ferrari will take home the big trophies and end of year honors.

[currupipi]

To all those who maintained the F150 was a winner; you were right.

thats cruel

[muramasa]

I actually like the look of F150

[currupipi]

i never thought we would miss you, we called you all sort of bad names, we wished you all kinds of bad things , may you enjoy your retirement