43 replies to this topic

[Ali_G]

I know that a fatal crash would be shown live. But is it tradition that that same crash will never be shown on TV again.

Like since the death of Ayrton Senna I have never seen the Video Footage again.

Niall

[PeaQ]

I think that's called respect or something...

[molive]

People watch fatal crash footage for various reasons, which does not necessarely imply any desrespect to the ones involved. I´ve seen the senna crash a few times, I can´t explain why, I guess I wanted to see something, some explanation of what happened that others might have not noticed, or at least draw my own conclusions, I dunno, but usually I prefer to stay away from those.

[Alien]

hmmm, well i have respect but i still might want to see under what circumstances Senna died, here is a link:

http://www.thef1files.com

there are crashes, but also many other awesome clips.

[RedFever]

not sure what you are talking about. I have seen both Villeneuve and Senna and Paletti and Peterson's crashes on TV several times.

[Ali_G]

I have never seen a fatal crash except when live.

Like when Gregt Moore died. I saw the live race and saw the crash.

But in all replays it was cut out.

Niall

[Todd]

Perhaps they have different standards in Italy. I know that ESPN stopped showing replays of Senna's crash as soon as they knew he was dead.

[John B]

I saw the Moore crash several times. It was replayed during halftime of the ESPN sunday night football game that weekend. Finding out about his death from the ESPN "Bottom Line" scoreboard while the football game was going on was a slap.

[Ali_G]

Guys I am talking about the season review at the end of the year. They cut it out of the Fontana race on Eurosport.

I never acctually saw Gilles crash. Was it a bad one.

Niall

[Nira]

I guess you mean Greg and not Giles. Greg's crash was terrible. The whole car just disintegrated. I knew it was fatal as soon as I saw the crash.

[John B]

There is a site which includes footage of many of the bad crashes, including Villeneuve's. I can't think of the address right now, but think it's run by a Gilles Panthon (not sure about the last name spelling). I'm sure others here know of it and the precise link.

The only TV of the GV crash I saw was on Motorweek Illustrated, a half-hour Saturday highlights show which is now off the air. They did some kind of distortion to the tape, playing it in a jerky way, which made it hard to follow. At the time it aired his death had been confirmed.

[Ali_G]

No I saw Gregs death. I was hoping to see it again on the Season Review as I was taping it for a friend. He wanted to see taht crash.

But was Gilles bad.

Niall

[Nira]

Why anyone would want to se someone die is beyond me. I don't look at the repeats of the incident if I know the person in it died.

[nigel red5]

Greg Moore`s accident (in my eyes) was the worst i`ve ever seen. On the sad night that it happened, i made a decision to never look at it again. To sit there, knowing that you`ve just seen someone die is the worst feeling i`ve known.
Tom Pryce`s death in the 1977 S-African GP is also another horrific one.

[cjpani]

http://cometo.f1crashes.com
regards,
cjpani

[cjpani]

Sorry:
http://come.to/f1crashes

cjpani

[f1sl]

i'm pretty sure that this place has some fatal crashes

http://www.f-1.ru/video/index_e.html

[mono-posto]

I don't have any particular fetish for watching fatal crashes, but for those who won't, does that mean you will never watch the Italian GP from 2000 again?

I rewatched that tape the other day and seeing that crash again, now knowing who had died, made me feel more compassionate for his family and friends.

I'm sure rewatching any fatal crash should...

[nigel red5]

Mono-posto,
No, for some reason it is just the Moore accident that affects me in this way....i can`t explain it.
The likes of the Senna and Ratzenberger crashes, i have watched them a lot. Just like Molive, i sometimes try to see somthing in the pictures that maybe i had`nt noticed before.

[Ross Stonefeld]

I find there's a big difference in watching the race than the just the incident. I was at a friend's and she had Imola 94 (the entire race) and I watched it and I learned a lot more watching all the lead up rather than just Senna and Schumacher turning into Tamburello

[Dudley]

Well, in the UK, rindt's crash is part of the "avalaible to all ages" golden years of F1 video.

Moore's was shown with a pre-warning at the usual tape delay time we see CART races.

Personally I don't mind watching them, there are lessons to be learnt.

[Witt]

Tom Pryce's is the worst crash i've ever seen. I nearly vomited when i saw the video not too long ago. You can download it from http://www.thef1files.com , but i do not recommend it at all.

As i'm a relatively new fan (since 95), i mostly want to see the crashes simply out of curiosity. The deaths of drivers are important events in F1 history for all the wrongs reasons, so it's only natural that someone who has not seen the crash should want to see it. However, i find that watching with the perspective of hindsight, it makes you feel very bad about yourself, but it won't usually stop you from watching it.

[RedFever]

Todd,

actually I saw the Peterson crash live but then again on TV in Italy, Paletti crash several times in Brazil, Villeneuve's crash again in Italy, Senna's crash in Germany. I am not really sure what do you mean by different standards......I guess it's bad to show replies of deadly car accidents on TV but OK to fry people on an electric chair???

[Ross Stonefeld]

I dont think we ever got to televised executions

or did we? I dont have satelite

[Pikachu Racing]

I seen Jeff Krosnoff crash at Toronto. I have race on tape and the footage on Quicktime. Plus FOX aired the crash in one of their specials in the US. There are crashes I seen which I thought the driver wouldn't able to survive. Kevin Cogan pit crash at Indy 88 because he hit the retaining pit wall. Jimmy Horton flying out of the track is another one and the late Neil Bonnett barrell rolling at Talledega consider he suffered serious head injuries 8 years before. With fan deaths at Michigan and Charlotte, the Michigan race wasn't replayed in respect of the families and Charlott was cancelled immediately. There are crashes I seen which I thought is okay because it's minor then there are the few I have my jaw drop in a state of shock or shudder by looking at it. I haven't watched Toronto 96 for so many years yet. Senna crash was on Sportscenter and CNN Sports. Glad no one had footage of both Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin crash. Head-on crashes shock the hell out of me because the impact how the car hit the wall. Even to this day, I shudder when I watched Jeff Andretti crash at Indy 92.

[LUCKYSTRIKE]

http://ourworld.comp...n/F1gallery.htm This is gilles pantons page if you go down to the bottom you can find gilles crash

[Megatron]

The F1 files have the Tom Pryce crash, which as mentioned, is horrible. I consider myself to have a very strong stomach and I nearly passed out when I saw it. You'll never feel the same about auto racing again.

Without getting too grewsome, the fire exstingsher basically takes a good part of his head off, and it really shows every thing.

Please, take my advice, don't download it.

[dingledell]

I think that here in the UK, the Broadcasting Standards Agency (or whatever it is called) would come down the BBC or ITV like a ton of bricks if they kept on running fatal crashes, particularly when it involves a front-runner in his particular series.

Shortly after Senna's fatal accident, the BBC showed a tribute programme, that ended with the on-board view of his car crossing the finish line and faded to black as his car left the circuit. Even that is chilling - if you watch it in slo-mo, then as the car suddenly goes straight ahead, he leans his head further into the bend. I haven't watched it for years, but it made such an impression that the details are still vivid in my mind. When I watched it live, I can still here Murray screaming 'and Senna' in disbelief. When he was being extracted from the car, the BBC switched the coverage to their 'local' camera, rather than show the gruesome event unfolding live via the host TV service.

I've downloaded the Villeneuve crash, and that is sickening - it took a couple of viewings to work out what was going on - but once I did, I felt ill. The download doesn't show the car in the air or smashing into the ground, so there is still a degree of curiousity there for me. Clive James' commentary seems to add to the moment, too.

With Greg Moore, the speed and angle of the impact is, to me, the shocking aspect of this crash. When a car is travelling out of control like that, only then do you realise the immense velocity of the cars. I think it is the distance it travels whilst beginning to flip is the key to the gauge of speed. The fact that I am not so fanatical about Indy/Champ cars made this mpeg less nauseating to me.

When people say '...dont download it, it is too sickening...' is all well and good, but when everyone is talking about a certain incident, then others like to know what it looked like - seeing is believing.

Like poor Tom Pryce, I've never seen the accident, but have a feeling that when I get home, I will be downloading it.

[Gemini]

I have just downloaded and watched Tom Pryce crash video.

Megatron is right. This is the one you can live without.

[Ali_G]

On second thoughts and the comments left abov and in the website I am having second thoughts.

Niall

[RedFever]

I have seen Tom Price accident live on TV, it happened so fast, I wasn't unsure of what happened. Only later in an F1 movie I realized how bad the scene was.

[RedFever]

Ross - how many times you have seen on an US magazine the picture of Osvald's (Kennedy's accused killer) being shot right in the middle of cops and his agonizing expression? or what about footage of Bob Kennedy on the floor dieing with people all around him??? why is it OK to show that but not a racing accident??? I find it a little hypocritical to have different standards depending on the event.

[Ross Stonefeld]

what are you on about now? Suck on Todd's tit not mine

[Nathan]

Geez...the media where I live...they seem to show every crash from every angle four times over. To be hoinest within a day of Moore's death, I seen that crash atleast 30 times over.

[AlesiGOD]

Originally posted by nigel red5
Greg Moore`s accident (in my eyes) was the worst i`ve ever seen. -To sit there, knowing that you`ve just seen someone die is the worst feeling i`ve known.

Agreed

[Ali_G]

I've decided to download the Tom Pryce video footage.

But for some reason when it was at 100 percent I tried to play it. It said somwthing was wrong and then t just played Audio.

By the way I am using Windows Media Player

Niall

[Chris G.]

There is a wreck in the http://www.thef1files.com/ 1977 South African GP video.

There is smoke and debris. I don't see (without massive imagination) a marshall getting hit or a fire extinguisher. Is this the video in question?

Ali, you need MS Video Player 6.4 or greater...I think.

[Pikachu Racing]

call me sick but for some reason, I download the death of a rabbit on the Russian F1 site. I laughed at it...........why am I laughing at it? I better watch some bad wrestling to drown it down.......

[dingledell]

Ali_g/Chris.

I downloaded it last night and had similar problems. When you go to the 1977 bit, there is a link to a 'tribute' to Tom Pryce - from there, there is a 1:54 clip that shows more details - to get the image, you will need to download the link that points to an applcation called 'blueangel' or something like that - it's some kind of patch/enhancement to the windows media viewer.

I, however, thought that it was not as gruesome as I had expected - low quality footage, barely in shot - a couple of stills - the worst is the picture of him once they've removed his helmet.

I guess the thing here is that with the Villeneuve crash, you actually see the violence of the accident and his body flying through the air - you don't get such an in-yer-face view with Tom Pryce.

Don't get me wrong, folks, I'm not trying to turn this into a 'competition', I'm trying to get my views across.

So, for me, I find Villeneuve's crash the most disturbing.

[Piquet_1]

Originally posted by Richie Jenkins
Gilles crash was horrific. There's about 4-5 seconds of it on the video of Gilles 'Formula Villeneuve', he hits the back of Mass' Arrows, shoots up in the air, the car somersaults at least four full times & lands on it's nose (like Fisichella's recent accident), disingrating all the time, debris flying everywhere.

Mass was actually driving a Rothman's March that season. Ironic that Rothmans would be involved in the two most prominent recent deaths in F1.

Interestingly, I taped Fontana 99, as I have all F1 and CART races for years and years. After the race, I tried to watch the tape again, but the tape's video was screwed up - basically all snow, a little audio. Thought the tape was defective, but when I tried recording again to test it, it worked perfectly. Same tape, same VCR, hadn't touched a cable. I guess I just wasn't meant to own that race on video. No great loss...

[Richard Jenkins]

Originally posted by Piquet_1
Mass was actually driving a Rothman's March that season. Ironic that Rothmans would be involved in the two most prominent recent deaths in F1.

Yes, sorry, my mistake about Mass. Not that it really made a jot of difference, mind.

[Chris G.]

dingledale...thanks for pointing me to the right video.

Okay, I am summarily humbled. That freakin' sucked hard. The marshall getting hit is the worst I've seen, worse than the GV vid.

The first marshall to cross almost got hit too, just inches.

[Witt]

The Tom Pryce video is like a horror movie. It's got the eerie music in the backround and you sit there, waiting for something to happen and then out of no-where it all happens. To have watched that race live back in 77, and kept your enthusiasm for F1, is tough stuff. I sure couldn't do it if that were to happen today, but then again i'm brought up in the F1 world where drivers walk away 99.9% of the time. I can't bring myself to even click on the file of the video anymore. Seeing it once was enough for me.

Another bad one, however not gruesome, is the Roger Williamson at Zandvoort video. The incompent marshals stand there while the car is burning with Williamson in it. David Purley is the only one doing anything, heroically trying to save Williamson, but he can't. It makes you wonder how F1 organisers could be so incompent, and how we should be thankful that as viewers we do not have to see this sort of crap happen anymore.

[Ali_G]

The marshals just left him burn. Thats a ****ing disgrace.

Niall