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[Zava]

I found a hungarian group on facebook, with the intention of naming the Hungaroring's corners. it seems official to me as some hungarian journalist who are active on fb taking it seriously, and sharing their ideas.
as far as I know the corners right now are just called "1st corner, 2nd corner" except for 4th and 11st, as they are (unofficially) called Mansell and Alesi.

here is a plan from 2005:


and a map with corner numbers on it:


I'd like to see this community's ideas, and transmit them to the hungarian group.

Edited by Zava, 23 December 2010 - 20:00.

[phil1993]

Turn 6-7 should be the Schumacher Chicane after his 2006 antics

Would anything relating to Massa's crash at T4 be too harsh?

[Ross Stonefeld]

I like that they're doing local names for the most part, but that makes the Senna/Mansell/Alesi(wtf?)/Lotus corners weird. They're bad ideas for corner names anyways, but they look even more out of place with the rest.

[Zava]

Turn 6-7 should be the Schumacher Chicane after his 2006 antics

Would anything relating to Massa's crash at T4 be too harsh?

We've got a Schumacher tribune (at the entrance of the pit lane) I don't think they want to have 2 things named of Schumi. there is a debate of giving "Senna-S" or "Schumacher-S" to turn 6-7, but the 'other side' says every second track has an S-curve named after Senna or Schumacher, they want something else (like Rubik-S, as Ernő Rubik is one of the most worldwide-known hungarian men, a real Hungarikum)

the thinkg with T4 is... it is already known as Mansell curve. maybe T5 could go to Massa though (he cut that one through also afaik)

[midgrid]

Is turn 12 Group Lotus or Team Lotus? Some famous Hungarian drivers/riders (Ferenc Szisz, László Hartmann, János Drapál), but where's Zsolt Baumgartner Corner?

But seriously, the names on the first circuit map are pretty good. We have:

1. Ferenc Szisz - winner of the first Grand Prix in France.
2. Ayrton Senna - pulled off a good overtaking move on Mansell here during the 1990 race.
3. Forrás - means (water) source; there was an underground stream here which meant the track had an additional corner at this point when it was first constructed.
4. Nigel Mansell - overtook Senna and Prost on the approach to this corner on his way to victory in the 1989 race.
5. Mogyoród - location of the circuit.
6.-7. Rubik-S - more of a chicane than an ess-bend, but presumably named after one of the most famous Hungarian exports.
8.-9. Buda & Pest - Hungarian capital; a reminder that it is made up of two old towns either side of the river Danube.
10. Népliget - a park in Budapest.
11. Jean Alesi - did he crash here in 1995 (qualifying)?
12. Lotus - no particularly significant connection of which I'm aware , but nostalgia is always good.
13. Lázsló Hartmann - pre-war driver who was killed at the 1938 Tripoli Grand Prix.
14. János Drapál - winner of four motorcycle Grands Prix from 1971 to 1973 despite the presence of the Iron Curtain.

[Garagiste]

Turn 1 must be called Damon.

[jonpollak]

There needs to be a corner named "Erotik Camping"
Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 23 December 2010 - 21:32.

[Rob G]

Tazio Nuvolari deserves a corner, since he won the first Hungarian Grand Prix, in 1936.

[scheivlak]

There needs to be a corner named "Erotik Camping"
Jp

First corner should be named after Ralf Schumacher ('Ralf bend' ?) who passed almost half the field there in 2003.
Next one after Petrov who slept and was passed there by Lewis Hamilton this season ('Vitaly's bedroom' or something like that)

Then we have a Firman corner (heavy crash in 2004) and a Mansell straight (lost the 1987 GP there because of that loose nut (?) which really hurt him championship wise).
Hungary is really the place for loose nuts and wheels: Alonso in 2006 and 2009, Rosberg in 2010..... And then there was Rubens' spring hurting Felipe......

We have the Schumi chicane and 'Damon's hell' where he was tragically passed in the last lap in 1997.

And Thierry Boutsen should be remembered somewhere as well!

[Atreiu]

Senna was fantastic at Hungaroring, but Mansell only won once and Alesi never did anything memorable there, IIRC.
Turn 1 should be Piquet. 2 is fine for Senna, and 3 should be Hill, for Damon.

And I actually liked it more back in the 2002 layout. If you're gonna make it tight and slow, do your best. The changes hardly added overtaking.

Edited by Atreiu, 23 December 2010 - 23:57.

[cheapracer]

Turn 1 must be called Damon.

Thats not how you spell "Nelson" silly.

1986 turn 1, nothing better ever happened there than this ......

http://www.vbox7.com/play:97e817f2

Piquet doing what he is so often pitifully under-recognized for and Senna doing ........

Edited by cheapracer, 24 December 2010 - 05:50.

[gm914]

In these current times Turn 7 should be renamed Lotus, because-
a) it'not really a turn, and
b) it's blatantly playing off the Heritage of the other turns...

Edited by gm914, 24 December 2010 - 13:24.

[GrzegorzChyla]

I think Kesjar Csaba also deserves a corner...

[ivanalesi]

There must be corners named Piquet & Hill, everything else is OK.
Btw, I think Alesi hated the track!

[Ross Stonefeld]

Even if Hill had won in the Arrows there'd be no justification for naming the corner after him. That was a very competitive car-tyre combination that weekend, it's no different from most wins. And frankly while it may still be Turn 1, it's not the same turn as when Piquet and Hill had their 15 seconds of fame.

[Atreiu]

It doesn't matter that the car tyre combination was fast on the day. It was still an Arrows against the might of Williams-Renault-Newey on one side and Schumacher-Ferrari on the other. And then thinking of how he was dropped from Williams despite and because all he went through the team following Senna's death, heck, that race meant a lot.

Fisichella and Jordan came very close to winning at Hockenheim as well. And very few people associates both or remembers that race in the same light.

[Ross Stonefeld]

It wasn't the little guy against the might of the bigger teams, it was a car as fast as them in equal conditions. It was a nice story but it wasn't some heroic performance. And as an overtake it wasn't that dramatic.

Really the Hungarian GP names should reflect Hungary. We have enough Senna corners as is.

[Garagiste]

Exactly - and even though it's a different turn one, turn one at Hungary will always mean one thing: Passing Schumacher, for the lead, in an Arrows.
I was hungover after a mate's wedding, that move got me ordering a hair of the dog!

[wati]

Turn 1 must be called Damon.

I think it should be called Nelson Piquet ...



edit: oops, cheapracer bet me to it.

Edited by wati, 25 December 2010 - 11:41.

[ivanalesi]

What about Taki Inoue - he was hit by the marshall's car! He deserves a corner more than anyone else:)))

[cheapracer]

It wasn't the little guy against the might of the bigger teams, it was a car as fast as them in equal conditions. It was a nice story but it wasn't some heroic performance. And as an overtake it wasn't that dramatic.

Really the Hungarian GP names should reflect Hungary. We have enough Senna corners as is.

Thank you Ross, a refreshing bit of reality.

The Arrows team as a package did very well that weekend and Hill drove superbly but Brazil isn't about to name any corners after Hulkenberg either for one great performance.

[ManiaMuse]

Naming the corners of the Hungaroring is like naming my moles.

[Captain Tightpants]

Why has no-one suggested names like Snore, Yawn, Zzzzzz and so on yet?

Next one after Petrov who slept and was passed there by Lewis Hamilton this season ('Vitaly's bedroom' or something like that)

Petrov let Hamilton through. His tyres weren't as warm as they'd expected, and he decided it would be better to let Hamilton through and get the tyres up to temperature to defend against the next car behind him than to try fighting Hamilton on cold tyres and risk losing more places.

[Tarzaan]

Mick Doohan wins here his first GP race. Maybe he also deserves a corner name so Schumacher (Michael)

[rolf123]

There needs to be a corner named "Erotik Camping"
Jp

Did there not used to be a brothel actually trackside, within the general admission area or something many years ago? Maybe someone who visited can confirm this?

Edited by rolf123, 26 December 2010 - 13:35.

[cheapracer]

Did there not used to be a brothel actually trackside, within the general admission area or something many years ago? Maybe someone who visited can confirm this?

I refuse to answer on the grounds it may incriminate me!

[rolf123]

I refuse to answer on the grounds it may incriminate me!

lol no shame in it, only respect will be forthcoming

Honestly I cannot imagine a more perfect day, visiting a hot country to go watch F1 in the sun with perhaps the most beautiful women in the world.


cheapracer pray tell

[DavidJoeF1]

The only name I would change is "LOTUS" to the greatest innovator in f1, "CHAPMAN CORNER" because the name Lotus has been sullied and destroyed since the days of Hethel. It was Chapman and his resiidual influence that made Lotus until it ended quite a few years ago.

Anyone actually accept that the VW owned Aston Martin brand of today is really AM? Of course not, its rubbish.

And that Autosport claimed the latest iteration of a Lotus racing team, is the "real deal" just shows that children should not be editors. Gregor Grant would spin in his grave if he knew and I am sure that Jenks is on the way to haunt the halls of Haymarket!

Edited by DavidJoeF1, 26 December 2010 - 17:03.