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[Cesar]

watch these videos

There are plenty "F1 vs roadcar" videos, but I have never seen such a graphic example of the speed difference between f1 and fast road/trackday cars. Watch the first video to get an impression of the speed of normal cars, then the second for F1.

Pretty impressive!

[Sausage]

Too bad the camera placing and FOV are slightly different, but yes still pretty good.

[Seanspeed]

Very cool. Definitely saved to 'Favorites'. Thank you for sharing.

[CSquared]

Interesting, too, that they seem to take such a different entry line.

[Nesto]

haha that was hilarious. thanks for the vid. Thats why I can't play GT5 compared to F1 2010. Everything feels like its in slow motion when you're not in a F1 car.

[BRK]

FANTASTIC video,thanks for posting!


Anybody fancy doing a Horan and dance about atop the Rouge as the F1s hurtle towards ya?

[johnmhinds]

Holy moly.....

I've been watching F1 for over 20 years and that still leaves me speechless.

[gm914]

Here are the same vids layered together. Whilst the angles are somewhat different, you do get an idea...

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

Unbelievable!

Edited by gm914, 17 January 2011 - 19:30.

[domhnall]

If anyone here ever goes to spa make sure you go to the general admission viewing area at the base of eau rouge. It's about where that video was taken but on the other side of the track. Watched the porsche supercup there in 2007 and it was quite an experience. needless to say f1 there is spectacular as well. The Spykers in particular did there best to entertain the crowd through eau rouge

[BullHead]

Ha ha! Amazing shots, and a nice overlay there too. This is why we love F1.

[Callisto]

Wow...

[SchumiBoy]

If anyone here ever goes to spa make sure you go to the general admission viewing area at the base of eau rouge. It's about where that video was taken but on the other side of the track.

It's an amazing place to stand and watch the F1 cars at speed

[Boing 2]

F1 needs more of those fixed position, edge of the track cameras. There used to be one at Magny cours at turn one and it gave an amazing sense of speed.

[BullHead]

Agreed. They tend to bury them in the kerbs but that doesn't give the right view. That said, there's not many angles of view possible like that one at Spa.

[domhnall]

F1 needs more of those fixed position, edge of the track cameras. There used to be one at Magny cours at turn one and it gave an amazing sense of speed.

But then how would we read the sponser's logos??;)

[MichaelPM]

Fantastic spectacle, thank you for sharing.

Also shows why eau rouge is a fan favourite even when less challenging for the latest F1 cars.

Edited by MichaelPM, 18 January 2011 - 15:22.

[r4mses]

Awesome.

So much better then seeing the cars approaching for like 20secs in blurry air due to the heat of the tarmac and a cut once the car is close enough - they appear to be sooooo slow in these shots.

[d246]

Modern cameras have such a huge depth of field that the impact of speed is normally lost.

They used to have a static camera hanging over the long straight at Paul Ricard back in the day that used to give a brilliant impression of speed. Seem to remember an engine let go as it went under it one year.

[goldenboy]

If anyone here ever goes to spa make sure you go to the general admission viewing area at the base of eau rouge. It's about where that video was taken but on the other side of the track. Watched the porsche supercup there in 2007 and it was quite an experience. needless to say f1 there is spectacular as well. The Spykers in particular did there best to entertain the crowd through eau rouge

I'm moving from Brisbane to sweden halfway through the year and spa will be my first stop

[Victor]

Great stuff Cesar! Thank you for that.

[prty]

If they listen to the "get rid of downforce" people, both videos would be quite similar.

[bigginge]

Spa is incredible.

[SpeedyS]

Great vids, thanks, warms the F1 blood up nicely for the new season!

[chrisblades85]

Holy moly.....

I've been watching F1 for over 20 years and that still leaves me speechless.

Same here. 15 ish years for me. But I said ****ing hell and just watched the rest in amazement. Still a buzz.

[Crazy Ninja]

I still dont quite believe them vids are real, the speed is just immense! Cannot wait till i get going to a grand prix to see them in the flesh!

[Rob893]

That was awesome

I knew F1 cars were quick verses road/track cars, but not that fast.

[Ross Stonefeld]

If they listen to the "get rid of downforce" people, both videos would be quite similar.

Nah the entry speed would be even higher so the effect would be greater.


What's great about those videos is how different the turn-in point for the amateurs is vs the F1 drivers.

[OneAndOnly]

Holly c..p

[chdphd]

I just love the sound of the F1 cars in that video.

[prty]

Nah the entry speed would be even higher so the effect would be greater.

Think of having Monza aero there for example. If they get into eau rouge quicker than the video shows, as soon as they start turning right they will spin. They would have to reduce the entry speed a lot.

[Ross Stonefeld]

But their speed going by the camera would be a lot higher.

[prty]

But their speed going by the camera would be a lot higher.

Oh I thought you meant corner entry speed. I guess this misunderstanding is because I thought that the mid corner eau rouge speed was more impressive than the speed they have when passing right next to the camera, so we focused on different parts. With less aero they will be quicker at the camera point yes.

Edited by prty, 18 January 2011 - 10:27.

[Hacklerf]

mental

[Scotracer]

Say goodbye to that sound in 2 years

[MadYarpen]

This makes things even better

[Rob]

Say goodbye to that sound in 2 years

Still not as good as the Ferrari V12, which we've already lost to history.

[Ogami musashi]

Nah the entry speed would be even higher so the effect would be greater.


What's great about those videos is how different the turn-in point for the amateurs is vs the F1 drivers.

I think not. The entry speed would not be near the actual one, especially if you speak of top speed; People tend to forget that before hitting the drag point..you need to accelerate to it; and downforce is clearly a major advantage in acceleration.

Those videos sum my vision of F1; bloody fast everywhere.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Higher downforce is going to make you accelerate slower in a straight line. They're so slow through La Source that downforce doesn't make a huge difference to traction.

[Ogami musashi]

Higher downforce is going to make you accelerate slower in a straight line. They're so slow through La Source that downforce doesn't make a huge difference to traction.

Are you kidding? a F1 car has an initial acceleration of 1,4G; which means if you have no dowforce, the tyres must have friction coefficient of 1,4....and this very unlikely except if you want to turn them into drag race tyres and even them..have downforce..

Only the terminal moments are at very low acceleration, and you have to reach them before thinking downforce is a problem..

If at monaco you have the highest downforce trim of all year..this is not for cornering.

[Ross Stonefeld]

It didn't say they'd be making zero downforce did I? And we're not talking about elapsed time over a distance, only pure mph past the camera. And a car with very low downforce is going to be pulling some serious mph trying to turn into Eau Rouge.

[Ogami musashi]

It didn't say they'd be making zero downforce did I? And we're not talking about elapsed time over a distance, only pure mph past the camera. And a car with very low downforce is going to be pulling some serious mph trying to turn into Eau Rouge.

The terminal speed is dependant on your acceleration till the point you started to re-accelerate; So if you re-accelerate faster for half the distance and are only limited into the last 10% of the distance; you are faster.

That's why next year's qualifying and practice may be interesting, because they can use the rear wing flap when they want, they'll probably lower it for the last portion before eau rouge;

[Ross Stonefeld]

But we're not talking about the amount of time the car takes to get from La Source to Eau Rouge, just the speed it will be going when it gets there. Yes a low downforce car will get a terrible run out of the hairpin and be behind in time, but it will be doing a higher mph when it gets to Eau Rouge. It's a long enough straight.

[Ogami musashi]

But we're not talking about the amount of time the car takes to get from La Source to Eau Rouge, just the speed it will be going when it gets there. Yes a low downforce car will get a terrible run out of the hairpin and be behind in time, but it will be doing a higher mph when it gets to Eau Rouge. It's a long enough straight.

while i don't know the answer for sure...i highly doubt it.

A tyre loses its grip with speed, downforce provides longer maximum acceleration and in general terminal speeds are always higher for F1 despite not having the best power/drag ratio.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Right, so drag drag drag. A car with less wing will be going faster there.

[wingwalker]

Ross is right, low downforce F1 car will OBVIOUSLY have higher top speed at the bottom of Eau Rogue than the same car in high d/f trim. F1 cars are doing what, near 300 km/h at the bottom there, that matches (or is even higher?) than top speed at Monaco, so lowering the d/f even further will obviously increase that figure, crappy exit from La Source or not.

[Snap Matt]

Walking up Eau Rouge is another experience that frames the way you look at F1 cars. It's properly steep. The BBC's piece sending a kid down on a skateboard was quite good as the cameras can never show you the angle properly. The braking zone out of the tunnel and into the chicane at Monaco is similar. That always looks virtually flat on TV but really is not.

My favourite place to be impressed by F1 cars is the Maggots and Becketts at Silverstone. They just don't seem to need to slow down despite the bends.

[johnmhinds]

I don't see the point of the discussion.
Being faster at the bottom of the hill isn't going to get you round the corners and up the hill faster.

The average speed will be higher with the higher downforce car. That's the reason they run with the downforce in the first place.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Walking up Eau Rouge is another experience that frames the way you look at F1 cars. It's properly steep. The BBC's piece sending a kid down on a skateboard was quite good as the cameras can never show you the angle properly. The braking zone out of the tunnel and into the chicane at Monaco is similar. That always looks virtually flat on TV but really is not.

My favourite place to be impressed by F1 cars is the Maggots and Becketts at Silverstone. They just don't seem to need to slow down despite the bends.

For whatever reason TV, and even photographs, are terrible for portraying elevation change. A racer's trick is to walk a track backwards, you get a much better sense of the heights.

Two other corners that would surprise people are the first bit of Pouhon, which is pretty steep; and the quick right hander towards the beginning of Hungary. After they go under the bridge and through the long left, that quick right? There's a decent hill between those two corners.

[Ross Stonefeld]

That's not going to be too big a problem for a YouTube video

[Villes Gilleneuve]

haha that was hilarious. thanks for the vid. Thats why I can't play GT5 compared to F1 2010. Everything feels like its in slow motion when you're not in a F1 car.

That situation is more about playing a car-buying game versus a racing game.