44 replies to this topic

[Bell]

Lets hear all your views on F1's favourite teambosss!

My view, Dennis = Paranoid badloser.

[alain]

Nothing against him.I even like him a little.Look what pressure he has had to handle

Micheal Schumacher =paranoid badloser

[Bell]

What makes Schumacher a paranoid bad loser?

Whenever Mclaren lose a race Dennis always whinges about something, be it backmarkers, FIA bad luck or whatever. He is incapable of saying 'Ferrari did a good job they deserved it.'
Its ridiculous, for istance when Hakkinen had his engine failures at the start of the season it was 'bad luck'. when Scumi's suspension broke at Monaco Dennis claimed it was caused by over pushing!!!
He really gets my goat!



Michael is usually gracious in defeat.

[magic]

McLaren's Record

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[Bell]

thanx stat man

[Todd]

Ron Dennis is roughly as much fun as anyone in his position would be. It must be very stressful for him, having sold his soul to the devil and all. One of the world's most prominent bottom feeders.

[John]

Ron Dennis is an excellent manager. He goes to bat for his team. Everytime you hear him whine, he is defending is teams' mishaps or inadequacies (in part) and he is sticking his neck out on their behalf.

I bet many people would love to have a manager that publicly sacrifices himself for you.

We trash him here, but there aren't many defections from McLaren are there? Any sour grapes on the vine?
We generally have the opinion that Jordon has provided one of the best working environments, but latest words from Trulli suggest otherwise.

Ron Dennis is great, whining or no whining.

[Spot]

I lost all respect for him when his 'partnership', brokered by Marlboro, with McLaren resulted in all the encumbent management being ousted within 12 months of his arrival. Since then he has simply proved, time and again, that he is an egotistic, management-minded, non-racing git.

Apart from that, OK I suppose.

[alain]

Originally posted by Bell
What makes Schumacher a paranoid bad loser?

Michael is usually gracious in defeat.

Yeah right.
Usually he whines about his car being total(you know what i mean) and how good are others car and so on.
At least some years ago he did it.Now he has become little better person and the hate what i felt towards him as turned into dislike

[cuckoo bird]

Ron Dennis is an irritating bastard

that idiot gets mad very easily whenever his team lose.
the biggest sore loser.

the fact that most of his badmouthing and whinging has something to do with Michael Schumacher & Ferrari shows that he is obssesed with MS.

[alain]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cuckoo bird
[B]Ron Dennis is an irritating bastard

that idiot gets mad very easily whenever his team lose.
the biggest sore loser.

the fact that most of his badmouthing and whinging has something to do with Michael Schumacher & Ferrari shows that he is obssesed with MS.

Having some problems Cockuu bird

[Ricardo F1]

He's not obssessed by Michael Schumacher he's obsessed by winnning. End of story. If you or I were in that Ferrari he would be the same about us. And there is NOTHING wrong with that.

Yes he whitters on sometimes. Yes he feels the world is against McLaren at times - but with some of the FIA's decisions in recent years his utter paranoia that they wanted nothing more than Ferrari to win the WDC is not exactly groundless.

Fact is he's the best at what he does. Like him or not it's hard to argue with success.

[Smooth]

Brilliant team manager until race day. His lack of strategy smarts have killed him many times, and his comments blaming everyone else when he loses are deplorable. He should sit home on Sundays, and let his well-oiled machine do its job.

[PDA]

Ricardo has it right - he is obsessed with winning. I read that he is physically sick when they lose. If Williams were beating him, he would rail against them. SO if we were to sum up RD in one word it would be:

Winner

[Max Torque]

Who cares about his character you guys? Are you going to bed with him? Do you depend on him to feed your children? Does he have any say in your personal life? No.

He is a team owner and manager. And he is the most successful at that. That's all. Me myself I admire him for what he has done with McLaren. If I met him personally and he treated me like **** that's a totally irrelevant matter.

[Todd]

He did have the good judgement to **** on Jacques Villeneuve. Nobody is all bad. Also, he has repeatedly offered Michael Schumacher more money than Ferrari pays him, so he isn't an idiot.

[MuMu]

Probably the greatest F1 manager of all time. His results speak for themselves. He's come back time and time again - I remember reading an article in F1 Racing a number of years ago when they wondered whether McLaren would ever win again. Well, he showed them, didn't he. In the same article he basically said that he doesn't care much for the others in the pitlane's opinions except for Frank Williams'. He doesn't suffer fools gladly, which makes him quite unpopular just about everywhere.
When Mika had his crash, he helped him back and gave him more support than the average F1 manager (hello Flavio) would do in this day and age.
He remains commited to BOTH drivers, something which few top teams can boast to do.
His 'no number one' policy is commendable, it shows respect and encouragement to BOTH drivers.
Yes, he complains when things aren't going his way - the fairly blatant prefferential treatment that Ferrari received from Mosley in certain instances would get anyone in his shoes' back up, but he was brave enough to confront the dungeon-master himself, publicaly. Good on him.
All ina all, a truly great F1 manager.
Just a pity he's such a sourpuss.

[SlateGray]

Todd

You are praising Ron. Are you feeling ok today.

[Ricardo F1]

I'm not starting a fight or nothing but :

"Also, he has repeatedly offered Michael Schumacher more money than Ferrari pays him, so he isn't an idiot."

Does anyone actually know that this is true?

[AD]

Ron Dennis is the best team manager along with Frank Williams in F1. Williams is a pure racer, but Dennis is an excellent business man, and he has made McLaren to be probably worth neigh on a billion dollars. Also he had the sense to hire Adrian Newey, Gordan Murray, and John Barnard when his team wasn't at the top. Also he's more human than most think- look at his relationships with Hakkinen and Senna.

[PeaQ]

I was going yo say the same thing as AD, but now I don't have to...

[PDA]

A number of posts suggest that RD is just a good business manager, and not a true racer. I think this is probably wrong. RD came into racing as a mechanic, and you don't do that unless you are a really dedicated racer. He was machanic e.g. to Jack Brabham in his final F1 year, 1970.

[MP4/?]

Ron Dennis= F1's God

[scokim]

Ron's results speak for themselves.

Does he care if he's popular or not ? No.

This thread will easily divide into two camps : those who are jealous of him (or his success) and those who admire him.

[Simioni]

Originally posted by PDA
Ricardo has it right - he is obsessed with winning. I read that he is physically sick when they lose.

He was probably in coma back in 95 then

[gerry nassar]

Love him or Hate him you cant deny his many acheivements. What do you expect him to do when his team loses - "Ferrari are so much better than us, everything went our way but we still lost" - i dont think so. He is doing what a team principal should do.

[baddog]

I expect him to say something like 'We were beaten today, but all our guys worked hard, and we will be back and the opposition had better watch out'

the sort of thing most team principals say rather than his 'we should have won.. they cheated.. yah boo hiss' crap

hes possibly the best damned team manager around but god he does talk crap!

Shaun

[Mila]

clearly he has a lot to be proud of, but sometimes his pride gets in the way (see, for example, his pissing match with MS after Australia 2000).

Spot, so what was the deal with Ron sacking and/or making life difficult with the existing management at Mclaren? was this something beyond the usual mass exodus following new ownership?

[baddog]

ron manipulated people out of their careers for his own ends. tough but thats business I guess. business being what ron does best.

[Ricardo F1]

Mila - again right, he should have just smiled and waved it off as Schuey was talking crap, but, while that will work in person and possibly on TV the legions of press that is read around the world to which he is responsible to defend his team and therefore any company associated with it. McLaren were the best on the day until the car(s) expired.

[Zawed]

Some of us may not like him; sore loser, Ronspeak, etc... but he has made the McLaren team the winning outfit it is today. You gotta give credit where its due. I personally think he has a done huge amount for F1 in terms of raising the level of professionalism required to perform at the top level.

[Cociani]

I respect Ron Dennis for his managment skill and obvious love and dedication. I know I have been prattling on about this of late but I wish he would show better sportsmanship. This is a game not a war for God's sake man loose graciously. I sort of feel sorry for him in a way, he is doing what he loves and has a prominent part in the greatest sport in the world and he doesn't seem to enjoy it. There is no victory without loss.

[Bell]

He is good at his job, its just his obsession with one-upmanship and rubbishing his opponents that riles me so much.
I think he is obsessed not with MS but with Ferrari, he is jealous of their success, no doubt about it.

[dingledell]

I think that Ron Dennis is a 'good guy' - I personally agree with his view about the Ferrari conspiracy - all that crap about barge boards in Japan being overturned, then being slung out of Brazil for a wing irregularity - no wonder he has sour grapes (ouch!!).

The fact that he is good bait for the media give sall of us lot something to talk about . . . if he came out with 'Ferrari put together a better package today...' blah blah, we wouldn't have anything to talk about. As said above, he has the approach that his team go to every race aiming for the highest finishing positions - anything less than a 1 and a 2 is considered a failure - in my opinion, a healthy attitude from the person with whom the buck stops.

I also think that his 'Ronspeak' is a good model too - I bet he doesn't go into meetings and say things like 'what I'm trying to say . . .' - he takes the time and trouble to select the correct word for its use.

Finally, his results are first rate - his ability to take his team to the top and keep it there are commendable.

Maybe someone would like to start a post about Jean Todt?

[Bell]

If there was a consiparacy to help Ferrari win the title then why were they disqualified from the Malasian GP in the first place?
Also, the same people who said that there was a conspiracy to help Ferrari win in '99, also said there was an internal Ferrari conspiracy to stop Irvine winning the WDC!!!!

[dingledell]

Because they broke the rules - what's more, Ferrari acknowledged that the board did not meet the regulations.

Thinking about it, I don't recall Ron Dennis commenting a great deal over this - did he?

[Vincenzo1]

Originally posted by alain
Nothing against him.I even like him a little.Look what pressure he has had to handle

Micheal Schumacher =paranoid badloser

Would help to read the thread's topic....U may be a believer in the existence of Team Schumacher but when did he become boss? Let alone bad-losing boss?

Vincenzo

[SchuMic]

Ron is a success builder and certainly one of the best mùanager of F1 history speaking results, business and organisation.

As some pointed out, he's human and have a heart! Personnaly, I've never doubted about that.

BUT...

HE CAN'T LOOSE and in any competion, you should learn to loose, even if you've the best car, package of pilots..er...the best pilot ;)

He should take example on his favorite pilot:

[Extract from Atlas F1 news after Japan 2000 GP]

Mika Hakkinen: "Obviously I'm disappointed, but I would still like to congratulate Michael. We have had a great battle this year with both ups and downs and it's been very exciting.[...] Anyway I believe to be a good winner you have to be a good loser..."

What else to say except that nobody's perfect!

SchuMic

[SchuMic]

Oooops, in my previous reply, I meant "one of the best pilots", not "the best pilot".;)

SchuMic

[Bell]

Originally posted by dingledell
Because they broke the rules - what's more, Ferrari acknowledged that the board did not meet the regulations.

Thinking about it, I don't recall Ron Dennis commenting a great deal over this - did he?

He had a lot to say about it!
He claimed it brought the sport into disrepute...didnt stop him appealing Coulthard's disqualifaction at Interlagos though..

[Gruff]

Team bosses should all be sacked and replaced by charisma-less chimps. Except for Ron Dennis, who already has such 'qualities'. And Bobby Rahal.

[Bruce]

I've never been quite sure why RD gets the stick that he does here... The only thing I can think is that he has pissed a lot of people off with the amount of success he has had.

[Todd]

Originally posted by Bruce
I've never been quite sure why RD gets the stick that he does here... The only thing I can think is that he has pissed a lot of people off with the amount of success he has had.

I guess you don't read anyone else's posts for comprehension. Through the years, we have documented dozens of incidents where Ron Dennis has drawn derision from racing fans. If you want examples of people who've pissed off with their excessive success, just look at Michael Schumacher and Alain Prost. Frank Williams achieved comparable success to Ron Dennis in an even shorter time frame. With the exception of certain Damon Hill apologists, he is more lauded than not.

[RedFever]

John -

"We trash him here, but there aren't many defections from McLaren are there?" you must have missed that he just lost a few weeks ago his Software guru....and to Ferrari, of all teams......

Ricardo, there is no other evidence of the fact than Denis offered Schumacher more money than Ferrari at the end of 98 than Ron Denis words. He said it to the press but if he really made an offer, well, who knows? certainly Michael never denied the rumor, he has no interest in it, because rumors of larger offers only increases his market value.

Than again, it made sense for Denis back then. He had just won both titles in 98 and realized the only guy who could beat him was MS. Hiring MS would have meant total dominance for the follwoing 2-3 years. And he was right, he lost one title in 99 and both in 2000.

[Ricardo F1]

Thanks Red.