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[Number62]

A 2 second per lap swing away from Mercedes in the week they refused engines to RBR, Renault threatened to quit and Ferrari and RBR buddied up. Nice one Bernie ;).

[foxyracer]

Wonder how much Bernie gave to Mercedes in return for going 1.5s per lap slower to spice things up?  It backfired though with one of the poorest races of the season.  Don't care if Merc win them all as long as they have to fight for it.

[Ricardo F1]

Yeah I think Pirelli was meaning to make a spec tyre for Red Bull and Ferrari . . .just went a wee bit too far!

[Marklar]

Didn't knew where I could post it otherwise, but I count it as 'controversial', so I'm doing it here

 

Some very interesting unbroadcasted pre-race coverage from ITV during the USA GP 2005

 

[johnmhinds]

Paul Stoddart still made that day interesting:

[Myrvold]

Paul Stoddart still made that day interesting:

"You can swear!!" 

 

Oh how brilliant, and how I miss Stoddart!

[myattitude]

Didn't knew where I could post it otherwise, but I count it as 'controversial', so I'm doing it here

 

Some very interesting unbroadcasted pre-race coverage from ITV during the USA GP 2005

 

Montoya has a camp walk, I never noticed it before.

[F1matt]

Monza 1988 always stands out, Enzo dying and Ferrari managing a 1-2 in Italy the following race, maybe it was fate.

[Collombin]

But Ferrari did not win the first race following Enzo's death, I don't understand where this myth comes from. I know his death was kept quiet for a while, but not for that long.

[ElJefe]

Paul Stoddart still made that day interesting:

This is all theatrics. If Stoddart really was the principled guy he claimed to be, he would have called in both his cars as well, regardless of what the Jordans did. He sure as hell was a charismatic guy though, something we sorely miss on the pitwall nowadays. 

[myattitude]

Stoddard was a very political player in F1, like an Aussie Corbyn.

[pacificquay]

But Ferrari did not win the first race following Enzo's death, I don't understand where this myth comes from. I know his death was kept quiet for a while, but not for that long.

It was the first Italian Grand Prix after his death though

[ElJefe]

Stoddard was a very political player in F1, like an Aussie Corbyn.

Agreed, but he wasn't an exception. Only fifteen years ago we had many controversial and highly political characters on the pit wall: Tom Walkinshaw, Eddie Jordan, Paul Stoddart, Alain Prost, Flavio Briatore, Ron Dennis, Patrick Head, Jean Todt, Craig Pollock... Nowadays we have bland figures like Boullier and Abiteboul. 

[ANF]

This is all theatrics. If Stoddart really was the principled guy he claimed to be, he would have called in both his cars as well, regardless of what the Jordans did. He sure as hell was a charismatic guy though, something we sorely miss on the pitwall nowadays.

Blame Eddie Jordan. Minardi were fighting Jordan for constructors points, so I can totally see why they did what Jordan did. Besides, having only two Ferraris on the grid would have been great!

[sopa]

Blame Eddie Jordan. Minardi were fighting Jordan for constructors points, so I can totally see why they did what Jordan did. Besides, having only two Ferraris on the grid would have been great!

 

A man with principles would have followed the principles, regardless of what others (Jordans) did. A man with principles is no "follower" or "sheep". 

Edited by sopa, 07 May 2016 - 11:09.

[Risil]

Blame Eddie Jordan. Minardi were fighting Jordan for constructors points, so I can totally see why they did what Jordan did. Besides, having only two Ferraris on the grid would have been great!

 

Not sure Eddie had much say in running the team in 2005, as he had sold it by then to the Midland Group.

[Hyatt]

I always thought Suzuka '99 was fixed. Irvine was always said to excel at the Suzuka track. But I'm sure the descision was that MS hat to lead Ferrari to new glory times, not Irvine even if that means that McLaren got another WC.

[basjaski]

Stoddart had an agreement with Jordan, if all Michelin's would go in, so would Jordan and Minardi. Jordan suddenly went on to race and Minardi couldn't do anything but follow. He also said, if the Jordan's retire during the race or withdraw, he'd do the same. 

 

Stoddart should be head of F1 or FIA IMO. Put an end to the endless, pointless politics. And I expect him to slug a few current principals. Hopefully on camera.. 

[ch103]

I think we can all agree, the 2005 US GP was the biggest farce in F1 in a very, very long time.  Dare I say ever?

[stewie]

Stoddart's comments of Indy 2005 are still true today, how ironic.

[ANF]

Not sure Eddie had much say in running the team in 2005, as he had sold it by then to the Midland Group.

Ah, good point.

[Ross Stonefeld]

I always thought Suzuka '99 was fixed. Irvine was always said to excel at the Suzuka track. But I'm sure the descision was that MS hat to lead Ferrari to new glory times, not Irvine even if that means that McLaren got another WC.

 

I dunno, he wasn't that great in the other Ferrari years. And he didn't seem horribly off the pace. And maybe he just succumbed to the pressure. Plus, you know, Hakkinen was pretty good. 

[noikeee]

Didn't knew where I could post it otherwise, but I count it as 'controversial', so I'm doing it here

 

Some very interesting unbroadcasted pre-race coverage from ITV during the USA GP 2005

 

Whoever recorded that had a browser window open with the "Atlas F1 Bulletin Board". 

[Myrvold]

Whoever recorded that had a browser window open with the "Atlas F1 Bulletin Board".

And a friend on Messenger/MSN called hack who was writing to him. Oh those golden Messenger-years!

[Jimisgod]

But Ferrari did not win the first race following Enzo's death, I don't understand where this myth comes from. I know his death was kept quiet for a while, but not for that long.

 

Yeah but Monza has much more presence than X GP.

[Risil]

And a friend on Messenger/MSN called hack who was writing to him. Oh those golden Messenger-years!

 

The Hack??

 

Incidentally this is all proof that F1 only has around 100 fans and they all post on here.

[FredF1]

The Hack??

 

Incidentally this is all proof that F1 only has around 100 fans and they all post on here.

 

 

If this number drops in any way, will those of us left have to run three aliases each?

[Bleu]

I think we can all agree, the 2005 US GP was the biggest farce in F1 in a very, very long time.  Dare I say ever?

Quite easy to say it was the worst day in F1 history not related to death/serious injury. 

[Nonesuch]

I always thought Suzuka '99 was fixed. Irvine was always said to excel at the Suzuka track. But I'm sure the descision was that MS hat to lead Ferrari to new glory times, not Irvine even if that means that McLaren got another WC.

 
I don't think so. Ferrari was desperate for a title. To give up such a good chance strikes me as nearly impossible.
 
I cannot, however, say the same for Michael Schumacher himself. I've always found it interesting to see that Schumacher took pole, and then followed Häkkinen along (I can't recall the exact gaps) at a fairly respectable pace, all the while putting the rest of the field almost a lap behind! At the finish line Häkkinen led Schumacher by some five seconds, and it wasn't until 90 more seconds (!) that Irvine crossed the line in third. Interestingly, had Schumacher let Irvine pass, the two championship contenders would have finished equal on points, with the title still going to Häkkinen (five wins to four).