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#1 blackonyx4

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 16:41

So Hermann Tilke was yesterday in Zagreb and he brought the master plan for a new circuit that is currently under development some 15 km off Croatian capital Zagreb.

The motorsport complex would consist of F1 licensed GP circuit (4.470 m in lenght), karting track and dragstrip among others.

The complete project cost is currently set at 250 mil. €.


If they round up the finances for the project, the work on the complex could start as early as autumn this year.

The plan for now is to host WTTC, FIA GT1 and MotoGP races. Jean Todt was here a couple of months ago on some meetings with the president and premier of Croatia.


I keep my fingers crossed as the land for this project is just 10 minutes by car from my house...and there`s some nice elevation change on that land. :)


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#2 ColchesterF1

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 16:45

Looks quite nice, last turn looks a bit strange though! A nice flowing section too :)

#3 phil1993

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 16:45

It looks a lot like Austin

#4 Disgrace

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 16:46

It looks a lot like Austin


My thoughts exactly.

#5 MacLarenV6

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 16:52

It looks a lot like Austin


It sounds like every other tilke-drome.

EDIT: Sorry, my school computer decided not to display the pictures.

Edited by MacLarenV6, 05 March 2011 - 00:47.


#6 Rob

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 17:02

Too many angles and not enough curves.

#7 Disgrace

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 17:23

Are there honestly no other FIA-approved circuit designers out there out of the 7+ billion people in this world?

#8 ivand911

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 17:27

Good luck with the project, from Bulgaria. :wave:

#9 blackonyx4

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 17:48

Are there honestly no other FIA-approved circuit designers out there out of the 7+ billion people in this world?


Among those 7+ billion peoples you`ll find that 4 of them are FIA approved for circuit designs.


The problem is that Tilke GmbH with 350 employed engineers and architects is actually a complete package. You`ll get not only the GP track design, but everything else included as well.

Project investor would rather pay that huge amount of money to some established firm than to some relatively unknown designer. This is not pocket money we are talking about.



The track design really does look like shorter version of Austin. Only they will run this "mini-Austin" clockwise.

Start/finish straight entry and exit kinda reminds me of A1 Ring.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 17:55

Yawn

#11 Tsarwash

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 18:10

I don't see any overtaking spots on that circuit. Not a single one. Tilke should be forced to attend every F1 race on one of his circuits, and every time there is an utterly boring race with no overtaking, get pelted with wet sponges from all of the crowd. I think that it's great for Croatia to have a race, but this circuit looks ultra dull to me in terms of racing. Obviously it's difficult to tell from this pics, but the circuit looks totally flat to me. I hope that I'm wrong on all counts if this does become a F1 ciircuit.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 18:55

Well I'm Croatian and I would be happy if more racing would happen here but I don't like the layout too much, it's too similar to Austin for one. Now where the money will come for to build the track, I don't even want to think about that.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 19:36

Since when have sleeping policemen been regarded as elevation changes? This track looks like they've bought a piece of land stuck the longest track possible into the space..

It would be interesting to know what racing credentials the circuit owners have, cos it likes like they're totaly clueless and Bernie has sold them a pup.



#14 Ise

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:18

Turn 8 from Istanbul once again making a cameo appearance in Tilke track design. (Who else is getting tierd of seeing this?) Other than that... apart from the long straight and the final turn, overtaking oppertunties seem non-exsistant here.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:21

I don't see any overtaking spots on that circuit. Not a single one. Tilke should be forced to attend every F1 race on one of his circuits, and every time there is an utterly boring race with no overtaking, get pelted with wet sponges from all of the crowd. I think that it's great for Croatia to have a race, but this circuit looks ultra dull to me in terms of racing. Obviously it's difficult to tell from this pics, but the circuit looks totally flat to me. I hope that I'm wrong on all counts if this does become a F1 ciircuit.


Isn't that a really long straight after turn 5? :wave: Plus, the main straight looks like drivers would take a dive going into turn one. Aside from that, yeah, I can see your point.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:25

As others have already said, the first thing I thought of when I saw it was "Texas". Maybe its just a coincidence, but I can't see Tilke churning out so similar tracks. Even though his tracks are all the same they are at least all different.

#17 Alfisti

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:31

Where exactly would this be? My missus is of Croatian stock so I have some idea of the place (go here to see http://alfisti.zenfolio.com/f911526456 ).

Maybe drop Hungary and run this instead? I cannot see two races in parts of europe where the economic situation is still developing. Croats earn bugger all and things are priced at about the same they are in richer countries so not sure how the locals would afford it hence you'd be relying on tourists.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:35

This will never happen, believe me. Ever. Maybe in their dreams. I know how things work there.

#19 metz

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:45

Even though his tracks are all the same they are at least all different.

:drunk:

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#20 blackonyx4

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 20:45

Since when have sleeping policemen been regarded as elevation changes? This track looks like they've bought a piece of land stuck the longest track possible into the space..

It would be interesting to know what racing credentials the circuit owners have, cos it likes like they're totaly clueless and Bernie has sold them a pup.



I for once hope that there wont be an F1 race on this track.

There`s enough smart circuit owners with racing credentials around the world that already sign the pact with the devil. Which, of course, leads to massive financial loses for those smart owners.


I`ll take MotoGp race above F1 any time to watch it live. And although these track will be at the spitting distance from my house, I certainly wouldn`t give half of my monthly salary to attend F1 race here.



I`ve seen the land in question (it`s along the highway) and its quite hilly (dont trust those pictures above). Or by elevation change you mean something like Hahnenkamm track in Kitzbühel? :rolleyes:

#21 Villes Gilleneuve

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 21:11

So Hermann Tilke was yesterday in Zagreb...



Please, keep him there.

Another flat, boring parade track.

#22 JPW

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 21:14

Dunno about the track lay-out but a GP near Zagreb wouldn't be so bad in my book.
Let's see if it's more than daydreaming and if there's any solid finance available.

#23 meddo

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 21:21

Yeah, like a dream about Grobnik GP. 250 mil euro investment in a country where 1/10 th of a total population is unemployed.
And to add another dimension. They are planning to bid for a F1 tests to be held there. In february. When it¨s common to have minus five centigrade temperatures.

#24 One

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 21:21

Flat... boring...

#25 Baddoer

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 21:31

How pointless to build extra long straight between two superslow corners. And from track to track this straight is going longer and longer and longer...

#26 Fastcake

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 21:36

Buzz me when we get a serious proposal. We must of had dozens of these proposals last year.

#27 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 00:15

I don’t think it’s any accident that the circuit looks like Austin. The plan clearly shows the borders of the land the circuit would be built on, and – as with the Hockenheim rebuild – there’s not a hell of a lot of room for freedom give the shape Tilke has to work with.

I’m hoping there’s enough difference between this an Austin to give it its own character. Yes, it’s run clockwise, and yes, a lot of the corners are much more angular. But I think it would be better if the circuit was shorter than the usual 5.5km, for one. And it also looks like it could easily be turned into a Suzuka-style figure-of-eight circuit. A few sweepers wouldn’t go amiss, particularly at the square end.

Overall, though, I think I preferred that Ukrainian design Tilke did. I just see too many similarities betweem Croatia and Austin; if Tilke hadn’t designed Austin the way he did, I’d probably think this would look great.

Are there honestly no other FIA-approved circuit designers out there out of the 7+ billion people in this world?

The only other people who might be able to do it is Populous, the firm that created the new Silverstone. However, the new Silverstone isn't finished yet. Given the size, scale, cost and the permanence of the project, the FIA and FOM probably won't go awarding any circuit design contracts to Populous until they know whether the new Silverstone works the way they say it will. And that doesn't just mean running the British Grand Prix, but also having other events like the BTCC and the Britcar 24 Hours and MotoGP and so on.

#28 Disgrace

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 00:42

Even though his tracks are all the same they are at least all different.


Derp?

#29 DinocoBlue

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 18:53

Derp?

It should have read "look different". Sepang and Yeongam are very similar with their long straights, however this track looks very similar to Austin.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 10:53

Catalunya was also very much like Estoril. What about the post 1990 Interlagos? Suspiciously like a mini Road America. Korea is like Sepang which itself is like an enlarged Jerez. Mosport and Watkins Glen (before the boot) too. So what? This kind of thing happens and it depends on the space available. It doesn't mean each can't have it's own character.

This track looks like they've bought a piece of land stuck the longest track possible into the space..


Hey it worked for Suzuka.

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 13:06

Catalunya was also very much like Estoril. What about the post 1990 Interlagos? Suspiciously like a mini Road America. Korea is like Sepang which itself is like an enlarged Jerez. Mosport and Watkins Glen (before the boot) too. So what? This kind of thing happens and it depends on the space available. It doesn't mean each can't have it's own character.

...

Hey it worked for Suzuka.

+1

#32 Captain Tightpants

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 13:15

This kind of thing happens and it depends on the space available. It doesn't mean each can't have it's own character.

Exactly - the Croatia proposal is over a kilometre shorter than Austin and is run clockwise. Plus, its corners are less flowing and more angular. The elevation will likely be radically different to Austin as well.