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[THE "driverider"]

I don't quite know what really happened there, but I feel Lewis Hamilton needs his Dad back by his side. To me Lewis would gain that little bit more which he had in 2007 and 2008, maybe it is not down to his Dad but for morale it could really help. I mean look at Jenson and John Button.

[johnmhinds]

I think he has enough moral support already...

[ImDDAA]

I'll be his manager for a reasonable fee. Just saying, let him know the offer is out there, he can think about it.

[Bonaventura]

What Lewis really needs atm is a better car.

[Smile17]

He needs more Ron Dennis...

[swerved]

As to whether Anthony is good or bad, he played a huge role in his sons success, I cant help thinking though that his lack of experience has done some harm to Lewis's career, sometimes less is more and all that, exclusivity can be alluring, overexposure can have the opposite effect.


People always used to take the piss out of Raikkonen for his mumbling, and his reluctance to engage the media, but i bet to many people didn't think "Oh god not another Raikkonen article"

[DILLIGAF]

As if a new thread was necessary to discuss this...

+1

Lewis is a grown man by the way, surely he can look after himself without needing his dad by his side. It's not like he's going off the rails or anything. All he needs is a decent car, simple.

[pinkypants]

I think Lewis benefited from the consistency and structure of having his dad there with him to talk him through each race etc. But Lewis is having to adapt to being totally responsible for himself and setting himself up mentally up for each race. I think he's actually done a good job, looking back at the start of last season he has admitted he was not as mentally strong as he had been wth his dad there. It's a learning curve and it will take time - putting Anthony back in the mix doesn't speed up that process or fix anything. We don't see him falling out of night clubs every night, he has his own ideas for his career (global brand etc). Although we (as fans, critics, supporters etc) may not necessary agree with his decisions, they are ultimately his to make.

Edited by Buttoneer, 12 March 2011 - 20:39.
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[MichaelPM]

http://www.timesonli...icle6054328.ece
"Anthony Hamilton is now running around in a state of fury that the fairytale of his son’s rise from a Stevenage council estate to world champion has warped into a morality play of very different dimensions. He is angry at Ryan, at Whitmarsh, at almost everyone except the one person who was in a position to end this sordid saga before it began: his son.
It is even reported that Hamilton Sr has sought the advice of Max Mosley, the FIA president, on the possibility of his son jumping team mid-season, leaving McLaren in the lurch."

I seem to remember in 2007 reports that he was running around trying to influence Stewards as well. Even Mclaren where not happy with his need to be involved with everything.

He's a meddling **** so good riddance. Would anyone feel comfortable if someone's dad ran around their work place demanding their son/daughter gets a raise? and by raise I mean any kind of advantages.

[ImDDAA]

Hey, at least we're not switching to 2-3 minutes of adverts every 12.5 minutes anymore. I can deal with Buttons girlfriend over adverts for car insurance and cheap loans companies.

[P123]

http://www.timesonli...icle6054328.ece
"Anthony Hamilton is now running around in a state of fury that the fairytale of his son’s rise from a Stevenage council estate to world champion has warped into a morality play of very different dimensions. He is angry at Ryan, at Whitmarsh, at almost everyone except the one person who was in a position to end this sordid saga before it began: his son.
It is even reported that Hamilton Sr has sought the advice of Max Mosley, the FIA president, on the possibility of his son jumping team mid-season, leaving McLaren in the lurch."

I seem to remember in 2007 reports that he was running around trying to influence Stewards as well. Even Mclaren where not happy with his need to be involved with everything.

He's a meddling **** so good riddance. Would anyone feel comfortable if someone's dad ran around their work place demanding their son/daughter gets a raise? and by raise I mean any kind of advantages.

He was also Hamilton's manager. Is he a 'meddling ****' now tha the is no longer his son's manager?

[pinkypants]

If Lewis needed his dad there, his dad would be there. Simple. But he has chosen not to have him there in a manager capacity. I don't think bringing back Lewis to the 2007-2008 days when he had everything to prove.

Edited by Buttoneer, 12 March 2011 - 20:37.
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[MichaelPM]

He was also Hamilton's manager. Is he a 'meddling ****' now tha the is no longer his son's manager?

Seems his meddling days are over so thats a powerful arguement on why he shouldnt be brought back

If he finds himself getting frustrated because he can't warp F1 around his son, he could always just fling another supercar into a ditch. I'm sure its very therapeutic.

[Crazy Ninja]

Wasn't Anthony Lewis' manager in 2009 too? I would imagine having your father as your manager would put quite a strain on that particular relationship. I would hazard a guess and say Lewis is enjoying having a different sort of relationship now with his father, I mean after all Anthony had been guiding his career his whole life. Now they can just have a "normal" father/son relationship.

Oh, and as for dads being at the race track. Wouldn't you bring your dad if you could? It aint their fault the director cuts to them so often.

[undersquare]

I don't quite know what really happened there, but I feel Lewis Hamilton needs his Dad back by his side. To me Lewis would gain that little bit more which he had in 2007 and 2008, maybe it is not down to his Dad but for morale it could really help. I mean look at Jenson and John Button.

I don't think he does need Anthony, except to leave McLaren - Anthony would be more ruthless than Lewis if that becomes an issue. But it's too soon for that anyway.

Last year I think Lewis did pay a price in some ways for the split, but I think he'll gain this year.

[T-Mobile]

I appreciate Lewis coming into his own as they say. He is immensely talented, so getting off the leash a bit seems like it will only help him. Even if it means he has to struggle at first. As has been pointed out, he will probably enjoy a better relationship with his father now anyway.

[aditya-now]

Hey, at least we're not switching to 2-3 minutes of adverts every 12.5 minutes anymore. I can deal with Buttons girlfriend over adverts for car insurance and cheap loans companies.

Seconded!

Concerning Lewis: in 2007 and 2008, when he had his dad around, he was definitely more successful than he has been ever since. So probably it will prove worthwhile for him to get Anthony back!

[ImDDAA]

I don't think it's a matter of FOM showing this people, it's a matter of this people wanting to be showed. Some people want to be on TV, others don't, and others do their own thing no matter if the camera is recording or not.

I'm guessing you've got the official list of who's who then.

[ImDDAA]

Seconded!

Concerning Lewis: in 2007 and 2008, when he had his dad around, he was definitely more successful than he has been ever since. So probably it will prove worthwhile for him to get Anthony back!

Yeah but Anthony doesn't design the McLarens man, he's not going to give them more downforce by just being Lewis' manager.

[Atreiu]

I do not think Anthony wold have made the development and integration of the EDB any easier last year, neither would he have been able to give the MP4-26 a significant development boost in terms of outright speed and reliability.

[Fatgadget]

Lewis needs his father to be his manager once more much the same way he needs to go rekindle his romance with his previous girlfriend!

[Buttoneer]

Posts deleted.

Thread is not about whether Anthony Hamilton needs to be shown on TV, it is whether Lewis needs him right now.

[Grenada]

I agree with BV - what Lewis needs more is a decent, competitive car. He is a man who is able to choose his own manager and if he doesn't want his father any more, that is his prerogative.

Button distanced himself from his father quite early in his career (something I read in the LH biography by Mark Hughes) because they were starting to argue. Obviously Hamilton thought he wanted a different kind of relationship with his father other than manager/client, and so did something about it. It is really his business, and his business alone.

[Bonaventura]

I agree with BV - what Lewis needs more is a decent, competitive car. He is a man who is able to choose his own manager and if he doesn't want his father any more, that is his prerogative.

Button distanced himself from his father quite early in his career (something I read in the LH biography by Mark Hughes) because they were starting to argue. Obviously Hamilton thought he wanted a different kind of relationship with his father other than manager/client, and so did something about it. It is really his business, and his business alone.

+ Lewis has the same rights as everybody to have the people he loves around him , if he wants or needs them
One reason for the split from Anthony for Lewis was he wants to have a father, not a manager in his dad
and if he needs his father around him, we will see him

For Lewis performances at races, IMO it's not bad when Ron is there.

[Watkins74]

I agree with BV - what Lewis needs more is a decent, competitive car. He is a man who is able to choose his own manager and if he doesn't want his father any more, that is his prerogative.

Button distanced himself from his father quite early in his career (something I read in the LH biography by Mark Hughes) because they were starting to argue. Obviously Hamilton thought he wanted a different kind of relationship with his father other than manager/client, and so did something about it. It is really his business, and his business alone.

I agree.

I actually think the person that seems to raise his spirits the most is Nicholas.

[F575 GTC]

I always wondered whether him being with Nicole was the reason for losing Anthony as his manager. Wasn't it around the time the two of them where having a bit of a falling out; then a few weeks later he's back with Nicole and suddenly his Dad has alot less to do with him? Could be just coincedental i guess. Still; i've no idea whether he needs his Dad back as manager; perhaps as just a voice of reason on certain things, just leaving the main things to somebody who might be more experienced.

[JosTheBoss]

I think he has enough moral support already...

^ she's not ageing well imo

I think the quickest way for Lewis Hamilton to lose the support of 'neutral' F1 fans he's gained over the last season and a half would be for Anthony Hamilton to again become omnipresent in the McLaren garage and on our TV screens. Lewis needs to be his own man, and McLaren dont need AH breathing down their neck.

Edited by JosTheBoss, 13 March 2011 - 05:56.

[BigCHrome]

Maybe Anthony can take over from Doug McKiernan as lead aerodynamicist at McLaren?

[Grenada]

Maybe Anthony can take over from Doug McKiernan as lead aerodynamicist at McLaren?

[jjcale]

http://www.timesonli...icle6054328.ece
"Anthony Hamilton is now running around in a state of fury ....."

Back in those days timesonline was like an anti LH propaganda sheet.... where is the guy who was the "F1 Editor" now by the way???

[MichaelPM]

Back in those days timesonline was like an anti LH propaganda sheet.... where is the guy who was the "F1 Editor" now by the way???

I don't honestly know but I assume Matthew Syed who wrote the article spends his sundays laying in bed cuddling up to his Sports Journalist of the Year award from the British Press Awards in 2009. Same year that article is from.

Just to clarify, does being labelled as "anti LH propaganda sheet" mean you just don't toe the tabloid line of opinions?

[swerved]

I don't honestly know but I assume Matthew Syed who wrote the article spends his sundays laying in bed cuddling up to his Sports Journalist of the Year award from the British Press Awards in 2009. Same year that article is from.

Just to clarify, does being labelled as "anti LH propaganda sheet" mean you just don't toe the tabloid line of opinions?

Or indeed his Sports Feature Writer of the year award 2008. from the SJA.


He's still writing, according to Journalisted, having penned 14 articles since the start of the year.

[Imperial]

Is Julian Jakobi still active as a motorsport manager?

I just have a sneeky feeling....

[jjcale]

I don't honestly know but I assume Matthew Syed who wrote the article spends his sundays laying in bed cuddling up to his Sports Journalist of the Year award from the British Press Awards in 2009. Same year that article is from.

Just to clarify, does being labelled as "anti LH propaganda sheet" mean you just don't toe the tabloid line of opinions?

How can Mr Syed say that "Anthony Hamilton is now running around in a state of fury" when he has never been to an F1 paddock???

He should give back his award. Journalism begins and ends with facts. He is a polemicist not a journalist.

[jjcale]

Or indeed his Sports Feature Writer of the year award 2008. from the SJA.


He's still writing, according to Journalisted, having penned 14 articles since the start of the year.

I referred to the editor... Mr Syed was not the editor.

[swerved]

I referred to the editor... Mr Syed was not the editor.

Apologies, I misunderstood.

[tifosiMac]

He was also Hamilton's manager. Is he a 'meddling ****' now tha the is no longer his son's manager?

Indeed, I was just thinking that.
That article was written in the immediate aftermath of liegate and is now the best part of 2 years old. Alot of what was written is kind of out of touch with the ground covered IMO.

[tifosiMac]

Just to clarify, does being labelled as "anti LH propaganda sheet" mean you just don't toe the tabloid line of opinions?

To be honest I think anybody who openly admits to towing the 'tabloid line of opinions' is likely to be a moron regardless of what topic.

[RedBaron]

He doesn't need his Dad. Hamilton's career is just averaging out. No driver can be at the top all the time.

[AyrtonSauna]

Maybe Anthony can take over from Doug McKiernan as lead aerodynamicist at McLaren?

I doubt that Anthony would be effective in that role.Anthony already manages drivers so he obviously has potential as a team manager and sticking his nose into all situations within a team.Even running to the Stewards when necessary.

Whitmarsh is fair but hasn't produced outstanding results for McLaren and Lewis.Anthony has got alot more fire and would do a better job as a team manager.Especially at McLaren with his son as a driver.Their relationship would be even better than in 2007/2008! It would be a real winner for both of them.

[JPW]

He doesn't need his Dad. Hamilton's career is just averaging out. No driver can be at the top all the time.

Hmmm "averaging out" or in decline that's debatable but anyway the last thing he needs is an amateur like his father.

I've said it before the kid needs an experienced manager for the contractual bizz, a savvy PR-person (like Schumi had Sabine Kehm) and a minder who makes sure that he doesn't do stupid things around the races.

[jjcale]

Hmmm "averaging out" or in decline that's debatable but anyway the last thing he needs is an amateur like his father.
I've said it before the kid needs an experienced manager for the contractual bizz, a savvy PR-person (like Schumi had Sabine Kehm) and a minder who makes sure that he doesn't do stupid things around the races.

Yep, Paul di Resta's career has suffered at his hands, hasn't it.

[Rich]

Oh, and as for dads being at the race track. Wouldn't you bring your dad if you could?

Erm, no? Dads are good for one thing only, and that's pitching up at school stoned to tell you "If you ain't first, you're last", then vanishing for years despite you leaving tickets for them every race at the office, only to pitch up incognito as pizza delivery men years later to help you get your mojo back by putting a cougar in the car with you, ruining your Crystal Gayle T-shirt, taping a bag of popcorn to the underside of the chassis and calling the feds on you, threatening to microwave your bratty kids, and then fabricating a misunderstood order at a steakhouse to start a spat with the waitress, get thrown out of the joint, embarrass you and then use that as a pretext to giving up on the relationship, hitting the road again to pursue their wild, womanising and marijuana-smoking ways while you go on to NASCAR glory. Shake 'n bake, baby.

[ImDDAA]

Hmmm "averaging out" or in decline that's debatable but anyway the last thing he needs is an amateur like his father.

I've said it before the kid needs an experienced manager for the contractual bizz, a savvy PR-person (like Schumi had Sabine Kehm) and a minder who makes sure that he doesn't do stupid things around the races.

What a cringe worthy post.

[Imperial]

Yep, Paul di Resta's career has suffered at his hands, hasn't it.

Paul di Resta has more than likely been at the control of Mercedes since he won the Mac/Autosport driver of the year back in 2004. Certainly since 2007 he has been a signed and sealed Mercedes man and they so obviously have been controlling his career path since then. You only have to google 'di resta' and 'norbert haug' in the same search to find a never ending supply of quotes stretching back several years where Haug talks about the strategy of getting him into as test seat then a race seat in F1. And that is exactly how it transpired.

I don't know the extent of Anthony Hamilton's management of di Resta (it could be limited to sponsor acquirement) but it's laughable to think that he had in any way a hand in securing di Resta a race seat in a Mercedes powered team.

[JPW]

Yep, Paul di Resta's career has suffered at his hands, hasn't it.

I don't think anything good that happens to Paul di Resta is because of creepy dad,much more competent and powerful people/companies influence that.
Daddy Hamilton is an amateur and should leave managing top sports people to professionals.

What a cringe worthy post.

Can't say that I'm thrilled by your contributions either

Edited by JPW, 13 March 2011 - 21:07.

[jjcale]

Paul di Resta has more than likely been at the control of Mercedes since he won the Mac/Autosport driver of the year back in 2004. Certainly since 2007 he has been a signed and sealed Mercedes man and they so obviously have been controlling his career path since then. You only have to google 'di resta' and 'norbert haug' in the same search to find a never ending supply of quotes stretching back several years where Haug talks about the strategy of getting him into as test seat then a race seat in F1. And that is exactly how it transpired.

I don't know the extent of Anthony Hamilton's management of di Resta (it could be limited to sponsor acquirement) but it's laughable to think that he had in any way a hand in securing di Resta a race seat in a Mercedes powered team.

If Anthony Hamilton is PdR's manager.... why is it "laughable to think that he had in any way a hand in securing di Resta a race seat" ... that would make him the worlds first manager in name only.... I hope PdR is getting a refund for paying Anthony Hamilton for nothing at all.

BTW do you know how many young drivers are backed by Merc and how many make it F1??

I suppose being associated with Merc is a sure path to F1 and it leads through one of their DTM teams... I suppose we can expect to see lots of drivers coming through from DTM over the next few years.

Edited by jjcale, 13 March 2011 - 21:07.

[jjcale]

I don't think anything good that happens to Paul di Resta is because of creepy dad,much more competent and powerful people/companies influence that.
Daddy Hamilton is an amateur and should leave managing top sports people to professionals.

... cause he is so bad at it.... he managed the last two British drivers to make it F1.

Yup, young drivers should run a mile from "Creepy Dad".

[Bonaventura]

... cause he is so bad at it.... he managed the last two British drivers to make it F1.

Yup, young drivers should run a mile from "Creepy Dad".

You fight against windmills, my friend

If there is not much you can argue against Lewis, than try with his family, friends etc.

Lewis is a spoiled brat
Anthony is an bloody amateur
& Ron is worse than both

Edited by Bonaventura, 13 March 2011 - 21:20.

[Imperial]

@jjcale

As I say, neither you or I know what Anthony Hamilton's remit is in terms of Paul di Resta. Does he act as his agent, which is obviously what you are suggesting? Does he control his sponsorship portfolio? Is he in charge of his media and promotion? It could be all or one of those things, you don't know.

What is your take on it? Norbert Haug said for a couple of years that the direction to take di Resta was into F1 as a tester and see if it panned out into a race seat. Lo and behold he turns up in a Mercedes-powered team as a tester and then becomes an F1 driver in a Mercedes-powered team.

Given that di Resta was in the frame for a race seat for the 2009 season and ultimately was testing for Force India back in 2009, with Anthony Hamilton only becoming his manager during 2010 how do you reconcile that with your obvious belief that Anthony Hamilton has managed di Resta's career into becoming an F1 race driver? Di Resta becoming a Force India race driver has been an obvious eventuality to anyone who has followed him since at least the start of 2009, well before Anthony Hamilton came on the scene.