I was having a conversation about the beryillium ban in 99, the official line being that it was banned on safety grounds. I made the point that Newey claimed he knew that Ferrari were trying to make it work and that it was only banned after they failed to find an advantage, which undermines the safety argument. My friend countered with "well he would say that wouldn't he? he's working for the team that suffered" so I threw the fact out to prove his integrity that Newey rarely if ever trash talks and in 25 odd years in F1 he's never been involved in a scandal.
It was an offhand comment to be honest but the more i think of it the more i realise i can't think of anything dodgy, the guys been in the title fight nearly constantly for 20 years, there must be something?
Anyone think of anything?
Has Newey ever been involved in a technical scandal?
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:23
To my memory, the closest thing to a scandal he's been involved in was the MP4/18.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:31
McLaren fiddle brake? Red Bull flexing wings? What are we considering technical scandals?
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:32
I'm still pissed he left McLaren.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:36
The whole Akira Akagi-owned Leyton House team was a scandal.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:36
McLaren fiddle brake? Red Bull flexing wings? What are we considering technical scandals?
Ai, but his way is way too smart to call it a scandal. It could be a serious technical concern on its safety.
How about Jaguar move scandal, it was not about his design work, but his contractual conduct...
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:37
The whole Akira Akagi-owned Leyton House team was a scandal.;)
Still the car is a beauty...
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:38
McLaren fiddle brake? Red Bull flexing wings? What are we considering technical scandals?
well, the fiddle brake wasn't against the regs, it was banned to close the racing up with a tortured interpretation of the rules used as justification.
The flexi wing would, IMO be closer to a scandal as there was as clear rule being 'apparently' breached, then again, nothing was ever found so can it really be a scandal if nothings found and nothing happens?
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:46
Closest think I can think of is the whole death of Senna and the subsequent trial. Newey was charged along with Williams/Head etc.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:48
Well him breaking the deal he had with Bobby Rahal to join Jaguar in 2001 could be seen as a scandal. It allegedly cost macca a lot of money to settle with Jaguar.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:48
Limiting us to what then? Benetton 1994, Ferrari bargeboards 1999, and Mass Dampers in 2006?
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:50
Honda fuel tank, mclaren, toyota, renault and spykers posession of other teams IP, ligier as a copy of a bennetton, various TC allegations. There have been a few.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:53
... All of which nothing to do with Newey.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:54
The whole Akira Akagi-owned Leyton House team was a scandal.;)
Can someone please fill me in? I remember LH (which from memory is also the Larousse chassis code back in the day) but I don't remember what made them scandalous... Apart from sacking Newey at the wrong time from memory... Fill me in?
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 15:56
... All of which nothing to do with Newey.
The reply was to ross who seemed to be saying that there weren't too many scandals to choose from, if i read it correctly.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 16:26
Can someone please fill me in? I remember LH (which from memory is also the Larousse chassis code back in the day) but I don't remember what made them scandalous... Apart from sacking Newey at the wrong time from memory... Fill me in?
The Leyton House Group was an umbrella organisation of Akira Akagi's real estate/retail/etc businesses. They bought the March Grand Prix team in 1989, after sponsoring it and the career of its principal driver, Ivan Capelli. The whole thing was brought down in 1991 by something corrupt and financial. Capelli's career never recovered either.
No idea what occasioned Newey's sacking from the Leyton House team, but -- and this is speculation -- it's not unusual for 'big fancy property magnate who reckons he knows a thing or two about sport' to get involved above his head and start making Tough Decisions, which mostly entails sacking personnel he feels to be underperforming. It's more obvious in football ownership than motor sport, but it's something to consider I think.
Joe Saward isn't involved in it anymore, but from my experience Grandprix.com's GP Encyclopedia should be the first (online) port of call for F1 World Championship history. After all, a lot of Wikipedia is plagiarised off it.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 16:30
Bit rich to link Capelli's career dive with Leyton House when it's what raised his profile. And his next drive was at Ferrari...
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 16:34
Bit rich to link Capelli's career dive with Leyton House when it's what raised his profile. And his next drive was at Ferrari...
There was a touch of irony intended in that sentence. If anything, it was the Leyton House sponsorship that brought him from promising F3000 driver to near-F1 star. But for whatever reason the two did coincide, which is strange.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 16:38
Well him breaking the deal he had with Bobby Rahal to join Jaguar in 2001 could be seen as a scandal. It allegedly cost macca a lot of money to settle with Jaguar.
And it cost Bobby Rahal dearly.
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Posted 25 March 2011 - 17:23
Yes that too, the Newey to Jaguar story stuck with me because in 2001 that glitzy short-lived Formula 1 magazine did a feature on that story and the pressure applied by Ron Dennis to keep Newey at macca.And it cost Bobby Rahal dearly.
Anyway it's not for here because although technically a scandal it's no technical scandal as the OP stipulated.
