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[Kubiccia]

I was visiting a link where they have shots of Ferrari testing their new floor at Fiorano(floor which is supposed to debut in Turkey) and found figures for F1 team budgets based on this book:
http://www.formulamoney.com/

The site is in spanish but I think everyone can understand the figures:
http://www.f1revolut...ic,740.480.html

Even if you don't understand spanish, this forum is one of the best I have seen. Tones of info I haven't seen here.

2010
Ferrari: 400 millones de $.
Mercedes GP: 380 millones de $.
RBR-Renault: 246 millones de $.
McLaren-Mercedes: 212 millones de $.
Renault: 135 millones de $.
Williams-Cosworth: 128 millones de $.
STR-Ferrari: 123 millones de $.
Force India-Mercedes: 117 millones de $.
Lotus-Cosworth: 78 millones de $.
BMW Sauber-Ferrari: 70 millones de $.
Virgin-Cosworth: 55 millones de $.
HRT-Cosworth: 50 millones de $.

2009
McLaren-Mercedes: 483 millones de $.
Toyota: 411 millones de $.
Ferrari: 370 millones de $.
Renault: 362 millones de $.
BMW Sauber: 335 millones de $.
RBR-Renault: 199 millones de $.
Brawn-Mercedes: 124 millones de $.
Williams-Toyota: 123 millones de $.
Force India-Mercedes: 120 millones de $.
STR-Ferrari: 110 millones de $.

2008
Toyota: 445 millones de $.
McLaren: 433 millones de $.
Ferrari: 414 millones de $.
Honda: 398 millones de $.
Renault: 393 millones de $.
BMW Sauber: 366 millones de $.
Red Bull Racing: 164 millones de $.
Williams: 160 millones de $.
Toro Rosso: 128 millones de $.
Force India: 121 millones de $.
Super Aguri: 45 millones de $.

Edited by Kubiccia, 30 April 2011 - 15:34.

[Kubiccia]

Tbh, it's difficult to believe in those Mclaren 2010 budget. I think they spent much more.

Impressive is the Sauber budget and how efficient they are

[Ross Stonefeld]

Formula Money isn't very reliable.

[Ali_G]

I simply don't believe the McLaren figure for 2010.

[SchumiP1]

If you're going to make a thread, at least try to give realistic numbers. Mercedes and 380 million? Who are you trying to kidd?!

[Jazza]

I never believe these $$$$ threads, but it seems fairly safe to bet that the 2010 Mercedes and McLaren numbers are mixed up. Swap them and it sounds more likely.

Edited by Jazza, 30 April 2011 - 16:11.

[Group B]

Ali_G, on Apr 30 2011, 16:38, said:

I simply don't believe the McLaren figure for 2010.

No; I seriously doubt that McLaren are spending 170m less than Merc. Given then outward appearance of mass bling and no-expense-spared approach to making and transporting upgrades it seems more likely to be the other way round.

[Timstr11]

These figures never say whether Engine R&D and manufacturing are included in the case of Ferrari and Mercedes, which makes the comparison invalid if included.

Mateschitz did say this about their 2010 budget:

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"We are definitely behind Ferrari, McLaren, and Mercedes with our budget."

Edited by Timstr11, 30 April 2011 - 16:22.

[Kubiccia]

SchumiP1, on Apr 30 2011, 12:59, said:

If you're going to make a thread, at least try to give realistic numbers. Mercedes and 380 million? Who are you trying to kidd?!

Hey, don't question my integrity.

I don't know if this numbers are accurate but if you have something better, please share.

[King Six]

Look at Sauber's drop from 2009, I guess that's the shock from being a Factory team to a Privateer. Although I suppose BMW were already designing the 2010 car in 2009 before they left right at the end, so that helped them out a bit. Similar to Brawn and Honda developing the BGP 001.

[Dunder]

These numbers are always educated guesses at best.

As others have mentioned, I find it difficult to believe that McLaren's budget fell by more than 50% from one year to the next.

[Ali_G]

I'm always amazed that sponsors are willing to put up so much money to fund the show.

What sort of split are we looking at between tv/prize money and sponsorship money for an average team ?

[slmk]

Dunder, on Apr 30 2011, 13:34, said:

These numbers are always educated guesses at best.

As others have mentioned, I find it difficult to believe that McLaren's budget fell by more than 50% from one year to the next.

It depends, though. It wouldn't surprise me to see RBR's budget actually surpassing McLaren's. They have been getting a lot of sponsorship money and exposure due to their recent successes. As for Ferrari and Mercedes, it's safe to say those figures are inflated due to engine R&D. They are likely below $300m as well.

[Bernoulli]

Ferrari won more when they used to spend lesser?

[Ali_G]

slmk, on Apr 30 2011, 18:40, said:

It depends, though. It wouldn't surprise me to see RBR's budget actually surpassing McLaren's. They have been getting a lot of sponsorship money and exposure due to their recent successes. As for Ferrari and Mercedes, it's safe to say those figures are inflated due to engine R&D. They are likely below $300m as well.

There isn't much sponsorship on that car outside of Red Bull funding.

[P123]

Group B, on Apr 30 2011, 17:15, said:

No; I seriously doubt that McLaren are spending 170m less than Merc. Given then outward appearance of mass bling and no-expense-spared approach to making and transporting upgrades it seems more likely to be the other way round.

It just looks like they transferred the Merc engine budget from McLaren to Brawn/Merc for 2010. I seriously doubt Merc spend $200m per year on their engines as the figures suggest, especially as development is now generally frozen.

[P123]

Ali_G, on Apr 30 2011, 20:59, said:

There isn't much sponsorship on that car outside of Red Bull funding.

The thing with Red Bull is that there is also Red Bull Technology...... what is their budget?

[MikeTekRacing]

Mercedes does not have such a high budget. I think it was said over and over again that they operate at a smaller budget

[BRK]

That 2010 figure for Mercedes is surely way off.

[redbroccoli]

Is it even possible for McLaren to cut half the budget from 2009 to 2010?
I mean, even if the 2009 McLaren budget did include Merc engine budget, it can't be true that Merc spent $200MM on the engine program.