141 replies to this topic

[D.M.N.]

Surely something will have to go?

http://fia.com/en-GB...msc-030611.aspx

11/03 BHR Bahrain
18/03 AUS Australia
01/04 MYS Malaysia
08/04 CHN China
22/04 KOR Korea
06/05 TUR Turkey *
20/05 ESP Spain
27/05 MCO Monaco
10/06 CAN Canada
17/06 USA United States
01/07 ESP Valencia, Spain
15/07 GBR Great Britain
29/07 DEU Germany
05/08 HUN Hungary
02/09 BEL Belgium
09/09 ITA Italy
30/09 SGP Singapore
14/10 JPN Japan
28/10 IND India
11/11 ARE Abu Dhabi
25/11 BRA Brazil

Edited by D.M.N., 03 June 2011 - 13:58.

[phil1993]

Just sort it out logistically so there are more back to back races. Bahrain & AD match up for example.

[Classic Ferrari]

Wow it virtually ends at like December...

[bauss]

I like it

[phil1993]

It is a rather nice calendar. Finally they've shifted another race to the front of the season. But Texas in Mid-June? Really?

[chdphd]

If one had to go, Valencia would be my choice.

[D.M.N.]

I like the calendar too, but I think the teams' may disagree...

[Collective]

Please someone take my melted body from the Austin stands next June, and ship it to my family in Mexico. I'll prepay. Thanks

[ATM_Andy]

Wowzers.

11/03 BHR Bahrain
18/03 AUS Australia

01/04 MYS Malaysia
08/04 CHN China

20/05 ESP Spain
27/05 MCO Monaco

10/06 CAN Canada
17/06 USA United States

29/07 DEU Germany
05/08 HUN Hungary

02/09 BEL Belgium
09/09 ITA Italy

[kar]

The new and improved 2012 calendar

11/03 BHR Bahrain
18/03 AUS Australia
01/04 MYS Malaysia
08/04 CHN China
22/04 KOR Korea
06/05 TUR Turkey *
20/05 ESP Spain
27/05 MCO Monaco
10/06 CAN Canada
17/06 USA United States
01/07 ESP Valencia, Spain
15/07 GBR Great Britain
29/07 DEU Germany
05/08 HUN Hungary
02/09 BEL Belgium
09/09 ITA Italy
30/09 SGP Singapore
14/10 JPN Japan
28/10 IND India
11/11 ARE Abu Dhabi
25/11 BRA Brazil

Edited by kar, 03 June 2011 - 14:37.

[Tsarwash]

Why go to the America's in the middle of the European season ? I do not understand.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Texas in Mid June?!

[ATM_Andy]

Texas in Mid June?!

It's going be sticky.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Yeah, because your shoes will be melted to the tarmac.

[Wi000]

The new and improved 2012 calendar

11/03 BHR Bahrain
18/03 AUS Australia
01/04 MYS Malaysia
08/04 CHN China
22/04 KOR Korea
06/05 TUR Turkey *
20/05 ESP Spain
27/05 MCO Monaco
10/06 CAN Canada
17/06 USA United States
01/07 ESP Valencia, Spain
15/07 GBR Great Britain
29/07 DEU Germany
05/08 HUN Hungary
02/09 BEL Belgium
09/09 ITA Italy
30/09 SGP Singapore
14/10 JPN Japan
28/10 IND India
11/11 ARE Abu Dhabi
25/11 BRA Brazil

You don't like racing anymore

Great calendar but too bad about Texas in June.

[Yolandy]

You don't like racing anymore

Great calendar but too bad about Texas in June.

Yep, I bet it'll be much worse than MAL considering no rain, too much sunlight, 100F and race starting around noon...

[rolf123]

At least one will drop out.

For starters, if Bahrain get back in this year, no way will they race again so soon next year.

[Wi000]

Yep, I bet it'll be much worse than MAL considering no rain, too much sunlight, 100F and race starting around noon...

I just hoped they would put it near the end of the calendar for weather and personal reasons alike.

[Gilles4Ever]

At least one will drop out.

For starters, if Bahrain get back in this year, no way will they race again so soon next year.

Looking at how the FIA/FOM has bent over to get Bahrain back on the calendar this year I cannot see the reasoning in them not having the race early next year.

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

At least one will drop out.

For starters, if Bahrain get back in this year, no way will they race again so soon next year.

Why? China used to be at the back end of the season and they moved it to the beginning with no problem. Same with Malaysia, Australia, and probably a few other races over the years too. May not be ideal having 2 races in 6 months or so at the same place, but it's happened before.

[toxicfusion]

If we're gonna have 20 race seasons (no Turkish GP), might as well do it sensibly:


11-Mar - Australian GP
18-Mar - Malaysia GP
08-Apr - Chinese GP
22-Apr - Korean GP
13-May - Spanish GP
27-May - Monaco GP
10-Jun - USA GP
17-Jun - Canadian GP
01-Jul - European GP
15-Jul - British GP
29-Jul - German GP
05-Aug - Hungarian GP
02-Sep - Belgian GP
09-Sep - Italian GP
23-Sep - Singapore GP
07-Oct - Japanese GP
21-Oct - Indian GP
04-Nov - Bahrain GP
11-Nov - Abu Dhabi GP
25-Nov - Brazilian GP

[SCUDmissile]

do it the way of the sun.

Start the calendar in the east, then move gradually westward, finishing in Montreal, Austin and Interlagos as the final 3 races.

imo

[pingu666]

national series do it all the time. heck pocono nascar rounds are 6weeks apart or something..

and lol at texas in june :s

[ATM_Andy]

The six back-to-back races will be the hardest, both logistically and for the guys.

[Fastcake]

As for Texas in June, I guess they want it back to back with Canada, obviously, but changing a street circuits date is much more difficult than a race track. Will enjoy a 21 race season - although Turkey is almost certainly going to be cancelled.

[ed24f1]

I'm very happy that they've moved the Australian GP one week earlier than it was scheduled. This means that there is no longer a clash with the opening round of the Australian Rules season. This is a massive deal, as previously this took up the majority of F1's media coverage in the lead-up to the weekend. I think this will definitely boost interest and crowd figures.

However, they have already started selling tickets for the 25th March 2012, so some people who were optimistic with hotel bookings might've been caught out.

[Atreiu]

Yeah, because your shoes will be melted to the tarmac.

I LOLed.

[Ross Stonefeld]

In the same way that you cant race in Texas in summer, it will be awfully cold if you try to do Canada at the start or end of the season. And logistically it makes a lot more sense to do the North American tour in one go.

[jonpollak]

Jp's lake side party venue being sorted as we speak..

I am gonna put into Allsport to get the cool water misting device concession..



Jp

[ed24f1]

In the same way that you cant race in Texas in summer, it will be awfully cold if you try to do Canada at the start or end of the season. And logistically it makes a lot more sense to do the North American tour in one go.

Maybe they could have linked Austin and Brazil though?

[DamienUK]

I will make a prediction that Austin will be one of the hottest GP's ever.

I was in Houston a couple of years back (and that is coastal so not as hot) and it was, in the words of this forums most talked about son, a frickin joke. I felt ill it was so hot. 100 degrees plus in landlocked Austin, and a track temperature of god knows what.

Methinks Ferrari wont have a problem getting tyre temperature..........

[Ross Stonefeld]

Today's forecast for Austin is 38c(so about 100F?)

[Afterburner]

Twenty-one races... amazing. Even if somebody dominates the first six races, that'll only amount to a little over a quarter of the season rather than almost a third as it did before. The implications this will have on consistency is going to be interesting.

Also, I agree with others when they say that the USGP should be moved to the end of the season--geographically, it just won't work in its provisional date. Methinks they'll try a September/October slot after 2012. Korea's move to the start of the season surprised me, as well.

[slmk]

Twenty-one races... amazing. Even if somebody dominates the first six races, that'll only amount to a little over a quarter of the season rather than almost a third as it did before. The implications this will have on consistency is going to be interesting.

Also, I agree with others when they say that the USGP should be moved to the end of the season--geographically, it just won't work in its provisional date. Methinks they'll try a September/October slot after 2012. Korea's move to the start of the season surprised me, as well.

If they move the USGP to September and later, it will clash with the College Football/NFL seasons. That's a big no-no... (especially College Football actually since one of the biggest teams is based in Austin).

[Concorde]

I will make a prediction that Austin will be one of the hottest GP's ever.

I was in Houston a couple of years back (and that is coastal so not as hot) and it was, in the words of this forums most talked about son, a frickin joke. I felt ill it was so hot. 100 degrees plus in landlocked Austin, and a track temperature of god knows what.

Methinks Ferrari wont have a problem getting tyre temperature..........

Rental RV with 2 aircon units it will be then because I've to be there, bloody rental companies though many won't take reservations for June 2012 yet.

[Afterburner]

If they move the USGP to September and later, it will clash with the College Football/NFL seasons. That's a big no-no... (especially College Football actually since one of the biggest teams is based in Austin).

Could they fit it in between Abu Dhabi and Brazil, then, you think? It'd probably be best either close to the opening or ending of the season, though if you want to pair the Canadian race with it to save money on travel, then you don't really have much choice but to have one of the races outside of its ideal climate conditions.

Perhaps they could move the North American races to the end of the flyaway period, but before the European season. Surely an April/May race date would work for both races, no? The European season would start in late May/early June, but I don't see why that would be an imposition.

Edited by Afterburner, 03 June 2011 - 15:55.

[Concorde]

I will make a prediction that Austin will be one of the hottest GP's ever.

I was in Houston a couple of years back (and that is coastal so not as hot) and it was, in the words of this forums most talked about son, a frickin joke. I felt ill it was so hot. 100 degrees plus in landlocked Austin, and a track temperature of god knows what.

Methinks Ferrari wont have a problem getting tyre temperature..........

Rental RV with 2 aircon units it will be then because I've to be there, bloody rental companies though many won't take reservations for June 2012 yet.

[phil1993]

If we're gonna have 20 race seasons (no Turkish GP), might as well do it sensibly:


11-Mar - Australian GP
18-Mar - Malaysia GP
08-Apr - Chinese GP
22-Apr - Korean GP
13-May - Spanish GP
27-May - Monaco GP
10-Jun - USA GP
17-Jun - Canadian GP
01-Jul - European GP
15-Jul - British GP
29-Jul - German GP
05-Aug - Hungarian GP
02-Sep - Belgian GP
09-Sep - Italian GP
23-Sep - Singapore GP
07-Oct - Japanese GP
21-Oct - Indian GP
04-Nov - Bahrain GP
11-Nov - Abu Dhabi GP
25-Nov - Brazilian GP

Thats a far more logical calendar. But then again, when did 'logic' and 'FIA' enter the same sentence?

[Andrew Hope]

As much as I agree that a summer race in Texas is a disaster waiting to happen, surely having a few races outside their ideal climate would be a good thing? Why would you ever want the same weather, ambient temp. and track temp. for every race?

[SCUDmissile]

I will make a prediction that Austin will be one of the hottest GP's ever.

I was in Houston a couple of years back (and that is coastal so not as hot) and it was, in the words of this forums most talked about son, a frickin joke. I felt ill it was so hot. 100 degrees plus in landlocked Austin, and a track temperature of god knows what.

Methinks Ferrari wont have a problem getting tyre temperature..........

[slmk]

Could they fit it in between Abu Dhabi and Brazil, then, you think? It'd probably be best either close to the opening or ending of the season, though if you want to pair the Canadian race with it to save money on travel, then you don't really have much choice but to have one of the races outside of its ideal climate conditions.

Perhaps they could move the North American races to the end of the flyaway period, but before the European season. Surely an April/May race date would work for both races, no? The European season would start in late May/early June, but I don't see why that would be an imposition.

About your first point: Late November is still going to clash. It corresponds to the end of the regular season in College Football and if Univ. of Texas is amongst the top teams, forget about the USGP.

About the second: Racing in April/May in Montreal will be nuts. Unless F1 gets lucky with the weather, you're not going to have anything hotter than 10-15 deg. Celsius and you may still have snow on the side.

At this point, for the inaugural race, I think it's best that it's held in June, for recognition purposes alone.

[ed24f1]

Perhaps they could move the North American races to the end of the flyaway period, but before the European season. Surely an April/May race date would work for both races, no? The European season would start in late May/early June, but I don't see why that would be an imposition.

This means that the European-based personnel are away from their families for 3 months at a time though...

[sosidge]

As much as I love F1 and love racing, this is too many GPs over too long of a season.

There are some major compromises there in terms of logistics and prep time between races that are sure to frustrate the teams.

Cost consciousness? Where?

All I see is more money for commercial rights to Bernie and his cronies. I don't see any improvement to the sport.

Shame.

Again.

[nordschleife]

So under the lights plus sprinklers. Problem solved.

[Afterburner]

Racing in April/May in Montreal will be nuts. Unless F1 gets lucky with the weather, you're not going to have anything hotter than 10-15 deg. Celsius and you may still have snow on the side.

At this point, for the inaugural race, I think it's best that it's held in June, for recognition purposes alone.

It seems that they couldn't have picked a worse place to hold the race. Too early and it's too cold for the Canadian race, too late and it's too hot for the Austin race, and later on in the season, nobody will be watching. Sounds like they've gotten themselves into quite a fine mess by building the track in Texas. Right near the middle of "tornado alley", as well--that would probably be another concern if they held the race in April/May.

This means that the European-based personnel are away from their families for 3 months at a time though...

That's true, as well. It seems the only other way I can think of to fit the races in during a reasonable bit of weather would be as the first of the final flyaways, in September or October. Otherwise, it looks like they've already got the best spot they can have.

So under the lights plus sprinklers. Problem solved.

And that would put the race at somewhere near 2-4AM for European viewers--Bernie's not going to let that happen.

Edited by Afterburner, 03 June 2011 - 16:10.

[slmk]

As much as I love F1 and love racing, this is too many GPs over too long of a season.

There are some major compromises there in terms of logistics and prep time between races that are sure to frustrate the teams.

Cost consciousness? Where?

All I see is more money for commercial rights to Bernie and his cronies. I don't see any improvement to the sport.

Shame.

Again.

NASCAR has 36 races... they are racing from mid-February to late November. I don't see any issue there?

Yes, distances are smaller, I agree, but they are still racing 36 fricking times a year.

[tweiss]

Bernie needs 21 races...maybe 22 or 23 if he can pull it off... the teams are going to extract more monies from the next Concord agreement...he needs more races and more revenue....

[hotstickyslick]

NASCAR has 36 races... they are racing from mid-February to late November. I don't see any issue there?

Yes, distances are smaller, I agree, but they are still racing 36 fricking times a year.

Not including the gatorade duel, shootout and all star races.

[Watkins74]

NASCAR has 36 races... they are racing from mid-February to late November. I don't see any issue there?

Yes, distances are smaller, I agree, but they are still racing 36 fricking times a year.

True. Although it should be noted that 80% of their races are a couple of hours from home by plane or car. So they are going to sleep in there own bed on Sunday night. F1 goes around the world.

I wouldn't want to do that all year, unless Alonso allows me the #1 status at Ferrari next year.

[WhiteBlue]

I'm fine with 21 races and a long season. Let the teams figure it out somehow. They will make money with each additional GP, so they can add 20 mechanics to the race team to give everyone enough of a break in between.