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[OfficeLinebacker]

I feel like the jaguars fan right now.

[OfficeLinebacker]

That may have been a masterstroke there. Juan is on fresh rubber with no one withing even a half a mile of him. Making up beaucoup time.

[OfficeLinebacker]

Nope. Cycled through into 4th, but just with a bigger lead on 5th.

[OfficeLinebacker]

The plan is to just bring it home there, or if there is a caution, to try to race.

[OfficeLinebacker]

What happened?

Just green flag pit stops but Juan pitted first.

[OfficeLinebacker]

Something made noise when he shifted into third that last time.

[OfficeLinebacker]

They've made the decision to stay in 4th now to save the trans.

[OfficeLinebacker]

BP: you got seven seconds back to P10

such a defeatist attitude! I'm so sick of it! He had this race won!

[f1seb]

He's going to finish outside the top 10. What a horrible team.

[OfficeLinebacker]

He's going to finish outside the top 10. What a horrible team.

Wrong again, Cochise. 7th after a very tense battle with Kenseth.

[paulogman]

top ten, not bad.

[red stick]

Congrats to the 24.

[xAtarigeekx]

7th isn't good enough. They could have had at least a top 3

[Dispenser89]

Well done Jeff Gordon. 7th is disappointing after running in the top 5 for most of the race. At least, it's a nod in the right direction though.

[f1seb]

Wrong again, Cochise. 7th after a very tense battle with Kenseth.

Still a total garbage result.

[whitewaterMkII]

I was out in the des all day, and listened on the EVO, arrrgggghhhhh...
Seriously, Chip, WTF?
Either sign Juan and spend serious money on the team, or let him go as a friend you can't do anything more for.

[Seth]

Unofficial results:



FIN ST CAR DRIVER MAKE SPONSOR PTS/BNS LAPS STATUS
1 3 24 Jeff Gordon Chevrolet DuPont 47/1 200 Running
2 1 22 Kurt Busch Dodge Shell / Pennzoil 43/1 200 Running
3 34 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's 42/1 200 Running
4 14 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevrolet Lowe's 41/1 200 Running
5 32 29 Kevin Harvick Chevrolet Okuma 39/0 200 Running
6 21 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevrolet National Guard / Amp Energy 38/0 200 Running
7 16 42 Juan Montoya Chevrolet Target 38/1 200 Running
8 27 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Affliction Clothing: Live Fast 36/0 200 Running
9 8 39 Ryan Newman Chevrolet Haas Automation 35/0 200 Running
10 31 56 Martin Truex Jr. Toyota NAPA Auto Parts 34/0 200 Running
11 19 20 Joey Logano Toyota The Home Depot 33/0 200 Running
12 17 4 Kasey Kahne Toyota Red Bull 32/0 200 Running
13 9 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine 31/0 200 Running
14 2 27 Paul Menard Chevrolet Pittsburgh Paints / Menards 30/0 200 Running
15 5 78 Regan Smith Chevrolet Furniture Row Companies 29/0 200 Running
16 12 33 Clint Bowyer Chevrolet Cheerios / Hamburger Helper 28/0 200 Running
17 11 6 David Ragan Ford UPS "We Love Logistics" 27/0 200 Running
18 10 5 Mark Martin Chevrolet Farmers Insur
ance / GoDaddy.com 26/0 200 Running
19 4 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Ground 27/2 200 Running
20 33 31 Jeff Burton Chevrolet Caterpillar 24/0 200 Running
21 15 14 Tony Stewart Chevrolet Mobil 1 / Office Depot 24/1 200 Running
22 23 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull 22/0 200 Running
23 20 2 Brad Keselowski Dodge Miller Lite 21/0 200 Running
24 25 51 Landon Cassill Chevrolet Thank A Teacher Today / Security Benefit 0 200 Running
25 28 43 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Medallion Financial 19/0 199 Running
26 40 36 Dave Blaney Chevrolet Golden Corral 18/0 199 Running
27 37 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M 17/0 199 Running
28 18 47 Bobby Labonte Toyota Clorox / Kleenex 16/0 199 Running
29 30 34 David Gilliland Ford Taco Bell 15/0 199 Running
30 35 13 Casey Mears Toyota GEICO 14/0 198 Running
31 41 32 Mike Bliss Ford U.S. Chrome / Southern Pride Trucking 0 197 Running
32 24 71 Andy Lally * Ford TRG Motorsports 12/0 194 Running
33 13 1 Jamie McMurray Chevrolet McDonald's 11/0 189 Running
34 7 9 Marcos Ambrose Ford Stanley 10/0 154 Running
35 26 38 Sam Hornish Jr. Ford Long John Silver's 0 140 Running
36 38 37 Tony Raines Ford Black Cat Fireworks 8/0 124 Brakes
37 6 99 Carl Edwards Ford Kellogg's / Cheez-it 7/0 59 Running
38 42 7 Scott Wimmer Dodge Speed Energy / Harris Teeter 0 51 Brakes
39 43 150 T.J. Bell * Toyota Green Smoke 0 33 Electrical
40 29 87 Joe Nemechek Toyota AMFMEnergy.com / Pellet & Wood Stoves 0 29 Ignition
41 36 66 Michael McDowell Toyota HP Racing LLC 4/1 29 Electrical
42 22 46 J.J. Yeley Chevrolet Red Line Oil 2/0 23 Brakes
43 39 181 Scott Riggs Chevrolet WhitneysColli
sion.com 0 17 Brakes
* Denotes Rookie

http://www.nascar.co...unofficial.html

[Seth]

Unofficial standings:



RANK +/- DRIVER POINTS BEHIND STARTS POLES WINS TOP 5 TOP 10
1 -- Carl Edwards 492 Leader 14 2 1 7 10
2 -- Jimmie Johnson 486 -6 14 0 1 5 9
3 -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. 482 -10 14 1 0 3 8
4 -- Kevin Harvick 481 -11 14 0 3 6 8
5 -- Kyle Busch 467 -25 14 0 2 7 8
6 -- Kurt Busch 457 -35 14 2 0 3 8
7 -- Matt Kenseth 448 -44 14 1 2 4 7
8 +1 Clint Bowyer 419 -73 14 0 0 2 6
9 -1 Tony Stewart 417 -75 14 0 0 1 5
10 -- Ryan Newman 417 -75 14 0 0 4 6
11 +2 Jeff Gordon 411 -81 14 1 2 5 5
12 -1 Denny Hamlin 408 -84 14 0 0 2 5

13 +2 Juan Montoya 395 -97 14 2 0 2 5
14 -2 Greg Biffle 394 -98 14 0 0 1 5
15 -1 Mark Martin 383 -109 14 0 0 1 4
16 +1 David Ragan 371 -121 14 1 0 2 4
17 +1 Kasey Kahne 371 -121 14 1 0 2 5
18 -2 A.J. Allmendinger 371 -121 14 0 0 1 3
19 +1 Paul Menard 361 -131 14 0 0 2 3
20 +2 Martin Truex Jr. 358 -134 14 0 0 0 4
21 -2 Marcos Ambrose 348 -144 14 0 0 2 4
22 -1 Brad Keselowski 345 -147 14 1 1 2 2
23 +2 Joey Logano 333 -159 14 0 0 1 2
24 -1 David Reutimann 332 -160 14 0 0 0 1
25 -1 Jeff Burton 325 -167 14 0 0 0 0
26 -- Brian Vickers 314 -178 14 0 0 1 4
27 +2 Regan Smith 311 -181 14 0 1 1 3
28 -- Bobby Labonte 303 -189 14 0 0 1 1
29 -2 Jamie McMurray 301 -191 14 1 0 0 2
30 -- David Gilliland 239 -253 14 0 0 1 2
31 -- Dave Blaney 221 -271 14 0 0 0 0
32 -- Casey Mears 212 -280 13 0 0 0 0
33 +1 Andy Lally* 152 -340 11 0 0 0 0
34 -1 Robby Gordon 150 -342 11 0 0 0 0
35 -- Tony Raines 117 -375 10 0 0 0 0
36 -- Bill Elliott 100 -392 5 0 0 0 0
37 -- Ken Schrader 73 -419 5 0 0 0 0
38 -- J.J. Yeley 46 -446 13 0 0 0 0
39 +1 Michael McDowell 44 -448 12 0 0 0 0
40 -1 Terry Labonte 40 -452 2 0 0 0 0
41 -- David Stremme 24 -468 5 0 0 0 0
42 -- Michael Waltrip 20 -472 2 0 0 0 0
43 -- Brian Keselowski* 3 -489 1 0 0 0 0
44 -- Steve Park 2 -490 1 0 0 0 0
45 -- Trevor Bayne 0 -492 8 0 1 1 1
46 -- Ricky Stenhouse Jr. 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
47 -- Steve Wallace 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
48 +1 Mike Skinner 0 -492 9 0 0 0 0
49 -1 Landon Cassill 0 -492 13 0 0 0 0
50 -- Travis Kvapil 0 -492 12 0 0 0 0
51 -- Mike Bliss 0 -492 3 0 0 0 0
52 -- Hermie Sadler 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
53 -- Patrick Carpentier 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
54 -- Sam Hornish Jr. 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
55 -- Johnny Sauter 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
56 -2 David Starr 0 -492 2 0 0 0 0
57 -1 T.J. Bell* 0 -492 2 0 0 0 0
58 -- Robert Richardson Jr. 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
59 -2 Scott Wimmer 0 -492 2 0 0 0 0
60 -1 Dennis Setzer 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
61 -1 Joe Nemechek 0 -492 14 0 0 0 0
62 -1 Todd Bodine 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
63 -1 Scott Riggs 0 -492 2 0 0 0 0
64 -1 Kevin Conway 0 -492 1 0 0 0 0
65 -1 Derrike Cope 0 -492 0 0 0 0 0
* Denotes Rookie

http://www.nascar.co...unofficial.html

[xAtarigeekx]

I honestly think Brian Pattie has to go. His strategy calls cost the team possible wins/very good finishes last year at Indy and Pocono [I think it was those races, correct me if I'm mistaken] and again today they had another good chance of a win, and not once, but twice he makes the wrong tyre call.

How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Edited by xAtarigeekx, 12 June 2011 - 23:47.

[nosaj100]

Just cought some "jolly fat dude" on Speed TV, doing a piece on Kyle Busch. It was a piss take obviously, but was pretty funny. The big guy was sat in front of a chalk board, dressed in a mechanics outfit???.....does the scene ring a bell? Would like to look up a few more of his pieces but did'nt catch his name.

Sounds like Rutledge Wood. He's funny at times. He's also a host on the American version of Top Gear.



Typical Pocono race today, nothing to write home about. I'm very happy to see Gordon get the win. 2 wins pretty much clinches you a Chase spot under this format. They've had good runs of late. Perhaps they're getting into a championship groove.


And thank you guys for posting JPM's radio convos. Throughout the race I kept saying "They have no idea what they're doing". Then I come on here to see I was right . I don't know what Brian Pattie was thinking. That was some of the worst strategy moves I've seen in awhile.


NEWS: Kyle Busch fails post-race inspection. Too low on the left front. Car is being taken back to the R&D center. Expect penalties later this week

Edited by nosaj100, 13 June 2011 - 00:19.

[DLaw]

Well JPM climbed two spots...and 22 points from 10th - one Ryan 50big one Newman.

[AMG FAN]

what exactly is wrong with that douchebag Harvick? he doesn't want to get into a trading paint fight with Busch,i don't like Busch but Busch would wreck the hell out of him.

[OfficeLinebacker]

what exactly is wrong with that douchebag Harvick?

I think you just said it.

To all the BP strategy naysayers, keep in mind he was going to finish 4th until his trans started acting baulky and he had to start keeping in 4th gear. Not shifting killed his lap times and he did really, really well to nurse the car home in 7th while still fighting off Kenseth at the end.

Having said that, yeah BP needs to be BoPped in the back of the head.

[nosaj100]

what exactly is wrong with that douchebag Harvick? he doesn't want to get into a trading paint fight with Busch,i don't like Busch but Busch would wreck the hell out of him.

It's a show. He's all talk. If you look back at all his (many) incidents, I can't ever recall him actually fighting anyone. Most of the time its just a lot of finger pointing, usually with his helmet still on...

[OfficeLinebacker]

Just wanted to share that I thought about it, and the conclusion I came to is this:

The 42 car and driver combo yesterday was so good, that even with two botched crew chief calls and a balky transmission in the closing laps, they still finished 7th. And gained two spots in the standings.

That's pretty good.

[OfficeLinebacker]

Well the pit strategy mistake was a big enough story that NASCAR.com ran a story on it:

http://www.nascar.co...cono/index.html

[LuckyStrike1]

Just wanted to share that I thought about it, and the conclusion I came to is this:

The 42 car and driver combo yesterday was so good, that even with two botched crew chief calls and a balky transmission in the closing laps, they still finished 7th. And gained two spots in the standings.

That's pretty good.

That's a positive spin on it, not entirely wrong either.

Worryingly though, it's those botched crew chief calls that just keeps on coming. It's almost more safe to bet on having a few of those in a race than a Montoya rage ...

[nosaj100]

SOURCE

From Jayski (see link), Kyle Busch was penalized 6 points for failing to meet post race inspection requirements.

Before anyone says what a small fine it was, it's in line with what they've done in the past. Under the old system, a penalty like this usually got a 25 pt fine. The maximum number of points you could earn in a race was 190 so you took roughly a 13% pt penalty. In the new system, max pts per race is 47. 13% of 47 is roughly 6 pts.

[Myrvold]

So, 13% point drop from the last race for cheating. NASCAR does have some strange things...

[OfficeLinebacker]

SOURCE

From Jayski (see link), Kyle Busch was penalized 6 points for failing to meet post race inspection requirements.

Before anyone says what a small fine it was, it's in line with what they've done in the past. Under the old system, a penalty like this usually got a 25 pt fine. The maximum number of points you could earn in a race was 190 so you took roughly a 13% pt penalty. In the new system, max pts per race is 47. 13% of 47 is roughly 6 pts.

Thanks for doing that calculation. Or, in other words, it's like he finished 9th instead of 3rd.