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[Andrew Fellowes]

from Australia to Austria, a little help please on one that's stumped me for some time.

Tulln Langenlebarn

It came up in conversation with Neil Trundle about Rondel Racing (well now there's a surprise) and it sounded more like Tool-le-barn when he said it (with almost one silly bull missing completely) however it was a long distance phone call, I have crap hearing and I wasn't exactly talking to local either.

[Vitesse2]

"Tulln" is pronounced as in "bull", not as in "tool" - for that there would need to be an umlaut over the letter U and according to my sources there wasn't.

"Langenlebarn" is pronounced as spelled, with the emphasis on the first two syllables thus: Langen le barn.

[Andrew Fellowes]

Vitesse thank you, rather different to what I heard, then its almost Churchillian in disregard for correct pronunciation!!

[subh]

Barrichello -> Barry-KEL-lo or CHEL-lo

I’ve heard ‘Barri-kelloo’, but then I’va also heard ‘Johnny Air-bair’....

And how do you pronounce Panis? Anglicised versions seem to be either ‘Pann-iss’ or ‘Pahn-iss’...

And how about ‘Yoss’? Is is ‘Fair-star-ppen’?

[Racer.Demon]

Originally posted by Hieronymus
Yes, it is pronounced Bli-noh...that is to say if you are a "fancy" South African. Some others will say their surname is Blig-note. Mattijs, being a Dutchie I don't think I'll have to go into the way the "g" sound is pronounced. An almost impossible feat for English speakers to accomplish.

Thanks for that - it fits with Michael M's explanation of the pronunciation of Schiphol...

As for Verstappen, it's more like Vur- (rather than Fair, and with a very brief 'uh' sound) -stahp- (with a similarly brief 'ah') -pen (or puh, as the n is seldomly fully pronounced in Dutch).

[subh]

I always thought the British commentators were getting that wrong. But then again they also talk of One or Wan M’ntoya.........

[Kvadrat]

Connaught ?

[Gary Davies]

Con-ort

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by subh

Barrichello -> Barry-KEL-lo or CHEL-lo

I interviewed Rubens circa 1994 and I asked him the same question (it was an interview for broadcast). He replied that either way was correct.

[Kvadrat]

Originally posted by Vanwall
Con-ort

Thank you, but sorry, it's still unclear for me. First "con" is simple. Then "o". OK. Then "r"?? Like in "right"?

Is it correct that the name was taken after Irish province? If yes, did Clarke have some relationship to Ireland?

[David McKinney]

Con-awt would be another way of putting it
(the 'r' in con-ort should not be sounded)
the second syllable is pronounced in an identical fashion to the English word "ought"

The original name for the Company was "Continental Automobiles, which provided the origin for the name

[D-Type]

Connaught is an Irish county or province (I can't remember which) but in this case the name of the garage was 'Continental Automobiles' so the name of the car is a contraction of that. So the English would know how to pronounce it they spelt it like the Irish county. Does that make sense?

The 'or' sound is the same as or in 'cat or dog' but not as strong as 'ore' as in 'iron ore ' . It should rhyme with 'bought' as in 'I bought a book'

So you could say it is phonetically 'kon-ought' if that's easier

[Kvadrat]

So:

1. Con-awt (con-aut ?)

2. Kon-ought (con-ot ?)

They are two possible ways of pronouncing. But what is most usuable? Haw do you say?

[David McKinney]

I'm sorry Vladimir. I've made it as clear as I can without access to phonetics
awt, aught, aut, ought and ort are all pronounced more or less the same in English, though Scottish people and Americans might sound the 'r' in the last example - 'ot' is pronounced differently
If you don't know the pronunciation of any English words with those syllables in them, I can't help

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by D-Type
Connaught is an Irish county or province

Province, the Irish name for which is Connacht - Connaught is the anglicised version.

[Tim Murray]

A name that I'm not quite sure how to pronounce is Boillot. My feeling is that it should be something like BWA-llow. Is this correct?

[macoran]

I suppose it comes down to the more earthly things

two and a half pence = tuppenyhapeny ........I believe

I never did understand...but got used to it

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Tim Murray
A name that I'm not quite sure how to pronounce is Boillot. My feeling is that it should be something like BWA-llow. Is this correct?

Closer to Bwa-yo

[macoran]

I'd go for Bwa-yo as well
I'm told my French is quite acceptable

[FLB]

One that's been bugging me for the past two decades:

How on Earth do you pronounce 'Eje Elgh'?

Pukekohe?
Myerscough?
Is it War-ICK Brown or War-WICK Brown?


The French used to say Nee-GHEL Mah-SELL before late 1985...

[Tim Murray]

Originally posted by David McKinney

Closer to Bwa-yo

Originally posted by macoran
I'd go for Bwa-yo as well
I'm told my French is quite acceptable

Bwa-yo it is, then. Many thanks, chaps.

[Twin Window]

Originally posted by FLB
One that's been bugging me for the past two decades:

How on Earth do you pronounce 'Eje Elgh'?

Ey-a Ell-ya is about right from what little I remember of these things from the time I was hanging around with his fellow countryman Stefan Johansson (and that's another one!) twenty-five years ago. I was taught the correct version of Keke Rosberg in the mid-eighties - by a Finn - but I'm buggered if I could even attempt it now! I've spoken with Eje a couple of times this season, so the next time I see him I'll ask (if I remember).

Pukekohe?

I'd like to know that myself.

Myerscough?

Ditto.

Is it War-ICK Brown or War-WICK Brown?

The former, I imagine. The only example of the latter I'm aware of is the soul singer Dionne...

The French used to say Nee-GHEL Mah-SELL before late 1985...

Well, they were... French!

[David McKinney]

FLB:
approximations only
(vowels and even consonants aren't pronounced the same in every language)
Eje Elgh - aya (rhyming with player) elzh
Pukekohe - pooky koe-y (first syallable as in cookie)
Myerscough - myerscoff I presume. Maybe myerscuff
Warwick Brown - worrick (as in England)

Edit: above written at the same time as Twinny's post
My pronunciation of the Swedish fellow came to me from the man himself

[Barry Boor]

On the matter of Connaught - there is one commentator I hear on Motors T.V. who insists on pronouncing it cUnnaught!

Drives me barmy!

[Ray Bell]

While I do understand the connotation of the 'bar' part of it...

Isn't it 'balmy'?

[kayemod]

Originally posted by Ray Bell
Isn't it 'balmy'?

Not if you come from Yorkshire.

[macoran]

Worked with swedes for quite a while
Goteborg is pronounced Yoteborje
so I'd go for Eje Elje

as well I am for Poe kay kohi

I agree on Myercoff and Worrick


I'll let my thoughts go on the others

[macoran]

Has got to be

Con nought the nought as in zero !

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Ray Bell
While I do understand the connotation of the 'bar' part of it...
Isn't it 'balmy'?

'balmy' means mild or soothing (as in balmy weather)
Barry's spelling was right for what he meant

Originally posted by macoran
as well I am for Poe kay kohi

My version (above) is closer

[LOTI]

In the naming of names beware. Having married the surname Irwin, I find in Europe that people find it so hard to pronounce that you look particularily stupid not recognising your own name. In England I get Owen, Urwin, Irving [eeek] even Euwing but even worse, in the US, Irwin is often used as a christian name. Now my son, who was gently raised in an english boarding school, is quite used to being addressed by his surname, in America when asked his name he would reply Irwin to which the next question is Irwin What? no. not Irwin What, what Irwin..... perhaps I should have just christened him Irwin Irwin...... Bill Gavin, motor racing journalist for Road and Track way back when called his son Gavin I believe.
and no, this is not my christened name.
Loti

[Patrick Fletcher]

Originally posted by macoran


as well I am for Poe kay kohi

A few Australians refer to New Zealands northern circuit as Poke a kiwi -
However David's Pooky koe-y is near enough for a mainlander!

[275 GTB-4]

Pukekohe

Whats hard about saying Pook-ke-kohe ....

[Gary Davies]

Patrick your profile doesn't say whether you're a dinkum sheep chaser so I say this with appropriate circumspection. :

I've long heard the long white clouders pronounce it as Pook (as in hook) - uh (with a definite glottal stop) - koe (as in toe) - ee (as in ebagum, as in the Yorkshire expletive which, as a small matter of trivia, is Mugabe spelt backwards!)

And the emphasis is on the pook and koe syllables.

Edit: Three esses in emphasis reduced to two.

[275 GTB-4]

Originally posted by Vanwall
Patrick your profile doesn't say whether you're a dinkum sheep chaser so I say this with appropriate circumspection. :

I've long heard the long white clouders pronounce it as Pook (as in hook) - uh (with a definite glottal stop) - koe (as in toe) - ee (as in ebagum, as in the Yorkshire expletive which, as a small matter of trivia, is Mugabe spelt backwards!)

And the emphassis is on the pook and koe syllables.

By George!! I think she's got it !!

[Gary Davies]

Originally posted by 275 GTB-4
Pukekohe

Whats hard about saying Pook-ke-kohe ....

Yair well, I come from from Wales and I find Dolgellau easy to easy to say. How'd ya go with that, mun?

[David McKinney]

In view of the lengthy discussion about Pukekohe, this might be the time to repeat my earlier point about the pronunciations being approximate
I can't give an accurate Maori pronunciation of the name here - we've been talking about the Anglicised version

[Gary Davies]

Originally posted by Barry Boor
On the matter of Connaught - there is one commentator I hear on Motors T.V. who insists on pronouncing it cUnnaught!

Drives me barmy!

Me too! Which reminds me. I think just about every media person in The Wide Brown Land says Los Vegas. Ugh!

Anyone from The Land Of The Free care to chip in?

[Kvadrat]

Yeoman?

[Ray Bell]

Pronounced: Yoman.

[Charles Helps]

Long O - Yow man

not like woman ...

[Ray Bell]

Okay, okay... Yoe-man... or as you say, Yow man as in bowman...

[Rob G]

Originally posted by Vanwall
Me too! Which reminds me. I think just about every media person in The Wide Brown Land says Los Vegas. Ugh!

Anyone from The Land Of The Free care to chip in?

Definitely "Lahss." The funny thing is, we use the Spanish pronunciation for the "Las" in Las Vegas, but for Los Angeles we usually use a more Anglicized "Lawss" (not to mention the "AN-jeh-les" part).

One driver's name I'm not sure of is Frenchman Louis Wagner. I assume it's not the Anglicized WAG-ner, but is it the German VAHG-ner, or maybe some French-sounding pronunciation like wah-NYEAY?

[Kpy]

Originally posted by Rob G

Definitely "Lahss." The funny thing is, we use the Spanish pronunciation for the "Las" in Las Vegas, but for Los Angeles we usually use a more Anglicized "Lawss" (not to mention the "AN-jeh-les" part).

It's because vega is a feminine noun and angel a masculine one.

[Andrew Fellowes]

Tenjewberrymuds was one of the best emails of '05, nothing to do with cars, way OT, if you didn't see it, here it is.


The following is a telephone exchange between a hotel guest and room-service, at a hotel in Asia, which was recorded and published in the Far East Economic Review:
 
Room Service (RS): "Morrin.  Roon sirbees."
 
Guest (G): "Sorry, I thought I dialed room-service."
 
RS: "Rye..Roon sirbees..morrin!  Jewish to oddor sunteen??"
 
G: "Uh..yes..I'd like some bacon and eggs."
 
RS: "Ow July den?"
 
G: "What??"
 
RS: "Ow July den?...pryed, boyud, poochd?"
 
G : "Oh, the eggs!  How do I like them?  Sorry, scrambled please."
 
RS: "Ow July dee baykem?  Crease?"
 
G: "Crisp will be fine."
 
RS : "Hokay.  An Sahn toes?"
 
G: "What?"
 
RS:"An toes.  July Sahn toes?"
 
G: "I don't think so."
 
RS: "No?  Judo wan sahn toes??"
 
G: "I feel really bad about this, but I don't know what 'judo wan sahn toes' means."
 
RS: "Toes!  Toes!...Why jew don juan toes?  Ow bow Anglish moppin we bodder?"
 
G: "English muffin!!  I've got it!  You were saying 'Toast.' Fine.  Yes, an English muffin will be fine."
 
RS: "We bodder?"
 
G: "No...just put the bodder on the side."
 
RS: "Wad?"
 
G: "I mean butter...just put it on the side."
 
RS: "Copy?"
 
G: "Excuse me?"
 
RS: "Copy...tea...meel?"
 
G: "Yes.  Coffee, please, and that's all."
 
RS: "One Minnie.  Scramah egg, crease baykem, Anglish moppin we bodder on sigh and copy....rye??"
 
G: "Whatever you say."
 
RS: "Tenjewberrymuds."
 

[Sharman]

The exchanges in the room service post remind me that many years ago there was in Autosport a piece about the dificulties of understanding the invaders from he Antipodes who were at that time flooding into British Racing. It concerned the problems encountered by the Aussies and Kiwis when faced with what our Transatlantic members call "Tech Inspection". If I remember correctly the piece was called "Screw in ears".

[Terry Walker]

According to Bob Hope (and that dates me!) it is pronounced "Lose Vegas".

[Kvadrat]

Kyalami bends: Leeukop, Jukskei?

[macoran]

In Dutch its Leeuwkop = Lionhead

I would say a quick short Leo... as in male name
and pronounce the kop as in english crop ( farm product) without the "r"

Juks/kei would be ... /rock in Dutch.

I would go for
Juks as the English would go for Yukks....as in foul and/or distasteful
end the kei...guy but with a " k"

[Kvadrat]

Thank you!

[GeorgeTheCar]

One of my all time peeves was with US announcer Paul Page who used to do the CART races of TV when Jacques Villeneuve was in that series.

He used to pronounce the surname "Vill Neff"

As I saw him in the paddock I, as a Canadian with some fluency in French, used to chew at him about his much tortured pronunciation.

Having crewed for Jacques whenhe first came into the Atlantic series I knew that JV wouldn't have accepted "Vill Neff" much less told Paul that it was the accepted pronunciation.

I countered his obstinence by calling him Paul PaShay!!