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[24gerrard]

I'm truly lost, what is it you want the ones you are pointing your finger at to say?

seriously, not trying to sideswipe you or set you up, I just don't get it - we rape and pillage the earth because we are greedy shits and we love it and nothings going to change and we'll consider what to do if it ever runs out in a few thousand years time.

Oh do you know that 1 ship load of helium 3 from the moon can power the earth for a year?

http://www.wired.com...s/2006/12/72276

I can just see the regs for F1 in 2043 now

5.67: Fuel tank size to be no more than 3mm x 3mm

6.72: Helium reactors are to use no more than 0.3% of total gigawatts in pitlane

8.32: Standard chemiluminescence dark room test before practice, any luminesence noted will mean automatic and permanent concrete encasing for car and team

Copyright China World Order 2042.

I think you will find the article stated one Space Shuttle load would power the entire United Staes for a year, not the world.
I know the neocons think it means the same thing but those outside the US who worship it should at least be a little more precise.

[Spoofski]

I think you will find the article stated one Space Shuttle load would power the entire United Staes for a year, not the world.

Could, not would. There is no viable fusion reactor at the moment. It is about 30 years away and has been for the last 40 years or so.

[24gerrard]

Could, not would. There is no viable fusion reactor at the moment. It is about 30 years away and has been for the last 40 years or so.

Sorry I thought the technology was a current answer to the energy problem.
Obviously just another red herring like hydrogen fuel cells from NASA.

[Spoofski]

Sorry I thought the technology was a current answer to the energy problem.
Obviously just another red herring like hydrogen fuel cells from NASA.

Hydrogen fuel cells are a British invention.

[cheapracer]

Sorry I thought the technology was a current answer to the energy problem.
Obviously just another red herring like hydrogen fuel cells from NASA.

Or electric cars ...

[24gerrard]

Hydrogen fuel cells are a British invention.

Most of the development work in hydrogen fuel cells is for use in space craft.
This is obvious with the convenient close availability of liquid hydrogen in storage.
Of course Britain or another European country invented them, thats just the way things happen in the real world.
The 'American' dominated fossil energy exploiting industries use the NASA development of fuel cells to sell the red herring of
practical hydrogen fuel for road vehicles.
They do it to divert attention from inevitable change to alternate energy sources that make sense.
Have you ever tried to transport liquid hydrogen by the way?

[Spoofski]

Most of the development work in hydrogen fuel cells is for use in space craft.
This is obvious with the convenient close availability of liquid hydrogen in storage.
Of course Britain or another European country invented them, thats just the way things happen in the real world.
The 'American' dominated fossil energy exploiting industries use the NASA development of fuel cells to sell the red herring of
practical hydrogen fuel for road vehicles.
They do it to divert attention from inevitable change to alternate energy sources that make sense.
Have you ever tried to transport liquid hydrogen by the way?

The liquid hydrogen carried by spacecraft is there specifically for the fuel cells. No spacecraft operating for more than a few hours carries LH2 as a propellant. They seem to manage to carry the LH2 ok.

TBH I'm with you on the viability of hydrogen fuel cells for earthly usage but BP is as guilty of using them as smokescreen as any US oil company.

[carlt]

wasn't it decided [in another motorsport Tech. forum thread] that BP is a US oil company in all but name

[gruntguru]

And those people who believe in a greater being (about on par with GW), remember that your God made the Earth for us to do as we please, it says so in that rewrite of a 5000 year old Samaritan fairy tale..

Not the issue at all. Sure - survival of the fittest results in man being the most dominant species - able to exploit all other species and the environment even to the point of annihilation. Trouble is the planent ends up uninhabitable and mankind is ultimately the loser.

[desmo]

Yeah but that all happens later after all of us are dead so no big deal, why spoil the party is I think the subtextual rationale. Why do you clearcut forests or strip mine or do other overtly damaging stuff to the planet? Because there's a payoff now to enjoy if you do.

[gruntguru]

I just don't get it - we rape and pillage the earth because we are greedy shits and we love it and nothings going to change and we'll consider what to do if it ever runs out in a few thousand years time.

Agree with all that except:
- I seriously doubt anything will actually run out before a cataclysmic re-adjustment of the human population occurs.
- Forget about identifying resources that might run out in a few thousand years. It would be much easier to list the very few that will last that long. Seawater, dirt, ummmm . . . . .
http://oill.wikidot....ource-depletion

Even coal - touted to last hundreds of years at current consumption rates - doesn't look so good when you consider consumption grows exponentially.
The most important video you will ever see Part 1 of 8.

[cheapracer]

http://oill.wikidot....ource-depletion


The most important video you will ever see Part 1 of 8.

No wonder you're paranoid.

As I have mentioned before I worked for Mitchell's Drilling for a while in outback NSW and Qld, I am quite confident about our coal and gas reserves at least for Oz for a looong time to come as I have seen some of the reserves myself and chatted amongst older drillers who talk about the fields they have helped discover and are sitting idle.

The drilling I was involved in was coal seam cores for future gas tapping, gas is coming in a big way.

[Lee Nicolle]

Hahahaha America saved us perleeeease.
Come back when your country has actualy won a war.
Do you know what RAF bomber crews sang to the tune of Lilly Marlene during WW2.
The Yanks are flying fortresses at 30,000 feet but they only have a tiny little bomb.
Fact is our twin engined Welligtons carried more and they didnt play at it or turn right and fly into Switzerland if it got to hot for them.
I can see what they teach in school in 'Dream' land, a fully inward looking illusion of reality.
It is what drives your dieing Empire.
Lets face it you built that Empire on the huge kick backs you screwed out of Europe before you eventualy came in to WW2.
By that time Russia was ready to get involved so you knew you were on a greed trip.
Before you came in our people had held the line for three years with a fraction of the resources you lot wasted.
All your technology and science is either copied or stolen from others, how on Earth is that worth a toss.

As to your diatribe about Historical science, it is no more than a primary school description of things we are all aware of.
You give absolutely no meaningful comment on the effect of the human race on the Earth, just republican BS.

If it was not for the American input ou would be speaking German now. The Yanks may not have won that war but sure helped save Britain from invasion.

[Canuck]

It's always entertaining to read the feeble, short-sighted, leftist rantings of Euro's like 24gerrard condemning "Republican greed" and the "inevitable" failure of the US free-market capitalist economy. Since 24gerrard was born (in 1947) just after the greedy, free-market capitalist, US Republicans saved his beloved empire from conquest by the German National Socialists....<snipped out garbage>

It's always entertaining to read the feeble, short-sighted rantings of folks who believe Hollywood's version of history. America was late to the party. Twice. Straw that broke the camel's back? Sure. "Euro-trash would all be speakin' Nazi if it wasn't for the great USA"? Err...no.

[cheapracer]

....and the "inevitable" failure of the US free-market capitalist economy.

With all respect it's looking a bit shaky at the moment ...

[gruntguru]

I am quite confident about our coal and gas reserves at least for Oz for a looong time to come as I have seen some of the reserves myself

In case you haven't noticed Oz is selling its reserves hand over fist - mostly to China. I don't know what you consider "a long time" but I see major problems before my kids get to my (current) age and that is my horizon of interest.

[24gerrard]

If it was not for the American input ou would be speaking German now. The Yanks may not have won that war but sure helped save Britain from invasion.

I seem to remember a little issue that keeps returning no matter how many American films try to tell the world that America won WW2.
It might not be known by the modern generation brainwashed with the 'American Dream' and the 'Multi Cultural' education experiments.
However, I will repeat it again just for a laugh realy.

GREAT BRITAIN WON THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN IN 1940 WITH ABSOLUTELY NO HELP FROM THE YANKS.

OH yea, if it had not won it would be the brainwashed Americans who would be speaking German.
Of course they do that at NASA anyway I hear, so they hardly won much did they.

[24gerrard]

With all respect it's looking a bit shaky at the moment ...

World record for 'Dream Land'.
How to create and then destroy a world empire faster than any other empire in world history.
Look out here comes China.

Edited by 24gerrard, 29 July 2011 - 10:09.

[Spoofski]

World record for 'Dream Land'.
How to create and then destroy a world empire faster than any other empire in world history.
Look out here comes China.

Yeah. I hate them countries that create empires. Invading distant lands just for minerals, spices, tea etc. Creating a nation of opium addicts just so they have something to trade with said addicts. Internment of natives and violent suppression of insurrection. Bastards.

Maybe we could have a 'death to America day' like Iran do/did.


Or you could buy a black kettle to match your pot.

[saudoso]

OH yea, if it had not won it would be the brainwashed Americans who would be speaking German.
Of course they do that at NASA anyway I hear, so they hardly won much did they.

You are being racist here.

Edited by saudoso, 29 July 2011 - 11:25.

[cheapracer]

In case you haven't noticed Oz is selling its reserves hand over fist - mostly to China. I don't know what you consider "a long time" but I see major problems before my kids get to my (current) age and that is my horizon of interest.

Not my problem and certainly not my fault - when I lived there I voted accordingly to stop that nonsense but the majority keep blindly voting for the Laboral or the Libour Party and it continues.

Your kids will be fine as will your grandchildren in terms of reserves but it is still your decision as to who will be reaping the profits from it but as you suggest time is getting short.

I can tell you how to totally resolve it but the footy has started and then the crickets on so it will have to wait .....

[Kelpiecross]

No wonder you're paranoid.

As I have mentioned before I worked for Mitchell's Drilling for a while in outback NSW and Qld, I am quite confident about our coal and gas reserves at least for Oz for a looong time to come as I have seen some of the reserves myself and chatted amongst older drillers who talk about the fields they have helped discover and are sitting idle.

The drilling I was involved in was coal seam cores for future gas tapping, gas is coming in a big way.

There is about a billion tons of mine-able black coal just south of Coober Pedy that you rarely (or never) hear about.

Oz is not about to run out of coal.

[Spoofski]

There is about a billion tons of mine-able black coal just south of Coober Pedy that you rarely (or never) hear about.

Oz is not about to run out of coal.

Maybe waiting for the oil price to rise to the point where oil-from-coal becomes viable? Overnight Oz becomes a major oil producer?

I've no idea but there is something similar happening in the North Sea. Allegedly about 50% of NS oil is still under the sea-bed awaiting the right market price to free it.

[Magoo]

There is about a billion tons of mine-able black coal just south of Coober Pedy that you rarely (or never) hear about.

What do they expect. They never write, they never call.

[saudoso]

Maybe waiting for the oil price to rise to the point where oil-from-coal becomes viable? Overnight Oz becomes a major oil producer?

I've no idea but there is something similar happening in the North Sea. Allegedly about 50% of NS oil is still under the sea-bed awaiting the right market price to free it.

Same here in BR

[Scotracer]

Hahahaha America saved us perleeeease.
Come back when your country has actualy won a war.
Do you know what RAF bomber crews sang to the tune of Lilly Marlene during WW2.
The Yanks are flying fortresses at 30,000 feet but they only have a tiny little bomb.
Fact is our twin engined Welligtons carried more and they didnt play at it or turn right and fly into Switzerland if it got to hot for them.
I can see what they teach in school in 'Dream' land, a fully inward looking illusion of reality.
It is what drives your dieing Empire.
Lets face it you built that Empire on the huge kick backs you screwed out of Europe before you eventualy came in to WW2.
By that time Russia was ready to get involved so you knew you were on a greed trip.
Before you came in our people had held the line for three years with a fraction of the resources you lot wasted.
All your technology and science is either copied or stolen from others, how on Earth is that worth a toss.

As to your diatribe about Historical science, it is no more than a primary school description of things we are all aware of.
You give absolutely no meaningful comment on the effect of the human race on the Earth, just republican BS.

It's you! Autogyro from F1Technical! That raving lunatic. I knew I'd seen your conspiracy nutjob sentiments elsewhere.

[Tony Matthews]

It's you! Autogyro from F1Technical! That raving lunatic. I knew I'd seen your conspiracy nutjob sentiments elsewhere.

[Canuck]

We seem to attract our fair share. Beam-axle propsters anyone? To be fair, he's no more delusional than the poster that set him off.

[meb58]

...I beleive that the "Lend Lease Act" was in action at that point...or was just beginning. The war was won by the Allies - not just one of us - because Hitler was at times a very poor strategist. Dictators seldom ask for advice from folks whom do not support their ego.

I seem to remember a little issue that keeps returning no matter how many American films try to tell the world that America won WW2.
It might not be known by the modern generation brainwashed with the 'American Dream' and the 'Multi Cultural' education experiments.
However, I will repeat it again just for a laugh realy.

GREAT BRITAIN WON THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN IN 1940 WITH ABSOLUTELY NO HELP FROM THE YANKS.OH yea, if it had not won it would be the brainwashed Americans who would be speaking German.
Of course they do that at NASA anyway I hear, so they hardly won much did they.

[desmo]

Forum mod here- could any and all who want to continue this sort of acrimonious debate on matters unrelated to the forum subject please join the Paddock Club here where such discussion is not only tolerated but encouraged? I don't mind off-topic as long as it stays reasonably polite and lucid. This hasn't.

[carlt]

Forum mod here- could any and all who want to continue this sort of acrimonious debate on matters unrelated to the forum subject please join the Paddock Club here where such discussion is not only tolerated but encouraged? I don't mind off-topic as long as it stays reasonably polite and lucid. This hasn't.

WHAT !

You want us to discuss some pre-ordained , formulaic , lets tie the hands behind the back of the clever techies , F - YAWN - 1 , engine regs !!

[cheapracer]

WHAT !

This is a fun forum with broad minded, generally intelligent and welcome opinions in many things that diversify from the OP but I agree this thread is going a little strange in the wrong kind of way and if any part of that was me assisting it there I apologise.

[24gerrard]

You are being racist here.

Last time I checked America was a Nation not a 'Race' but I suppose anything is possible when they make all the rules.

Back on subject then.
Does anyone know of any American company capable of building a powertrain for the 2014 F1 regulations?

[Kelpiecross]

[quote name='24gerrard' date='Jul 29 2011, 20:20' post='5198491']


GREAT BRITAIN WON THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN IN 1940 WITH ABSOLUTELY NO HELP FROM THE YANKS.

Eagle Squadrons?

[gruntguru]

There is about a billion tons of mine-able black coal just south of Coober Pedy that you rarely (or never) hear about.
Oz is not about to run out of coal.

Fantastic! That will keep the world in coal for another one to two months once we dig it up.

I've no idea but there is something similar happening in the North Sea. Allegedly about 50% of NS oil is still under the sea-bed awaiting the right market price to free it.

Fantastic! That will keep the world in crude for an extra one to two years.

Silly me. I can't believe I was worried things might run out.

[Kelpiecross]

There is about a billion tons of mine-able black coal just south of Coober Pedy that you rarely (or never) hear about.

Oz is not about to run out of coal.

Grunt - I was being slightly conservative - SA alone has reserves of more than 20 billion tons.

And as a final message to you - Juliar! Juliar! Juliar! Juliar! Only Juliar can save us from GW!

[24gerrard]

Grunt - I was being slightly conservative - SA alone has reserves of more than 20 billion tons.

And as a final message to you - Juliar! Juliar! Juliar! Juliar! Only Juliar can save us from GW!

With that **** bag Murdoch coming from Oz, I am surprised any of you have the first idea on what is happening in Oz politics.
Perhaps you should spend less time being macho driving utes in the outback and more time sorting out the obvious corruption.

[faaaz]

So much for that V6 engine 15 000rpm topic...

[cheapracer]

So much for that V6 engine 15 000rpm topic...

One great thing about this forum is I seldom see questions or points raised that go unanswered or unchallenged so go right ahead with an OP topic post .....

[24gerrard]

VW suggested they might enter F1 as a powertrain supplier.
FIA and working group came up with the most fuel efficient ic engine hybrid concept using I4 turbocharged 1.6 liter.
Ferrari and other motor heads ummmd and ahhhd, VW said sod you lot we wont enter the Formula then.
Ferrari played its infinite time period joker and said we want a V engine or we will start a new series for Ferrari badged laptops and mobile phones.
The FIA compromised and the regulationa are out for 2014 with a V6 Ferrari promoting engine and various first generation KERS and HERS systems, (sorry wrong definition, now they call apples bananas but so what,) that dont work properly because the regulations only allow one very timid and very unimaginative development direction and nobody wants to invest.
But then this is the way of arcade games in the 21st century, if it is not America pretending to win some war, it has to be a spec formula for the media.
I blame education and the complete lack of engineering history and skills taught.
If it aint on some tiny key board it aint real.
Look out here comes China.

[cheapracer]

VW suggested they might enter F1 as a powertrain supplier.

Ferrari and other motor heads ummmd and ahhhd, VW said sod you lot we wont enter the Formula then.

VW have never supported F1 before in fact have generally had little to do with motorsport throughout history other than it's own model based series and Ferrari has been there always including the worst of times when they constantly ran rear grid but never gave up.

Ferrari have history with racing and road car V6's.

Current chassis support 'V' configuration (but one could offer a V4 into the argument).

Have a look at any F1 race and see the sea of red in the stands, Ferrari is the most popular team out there by far and to lose them would be a blow to F1 for some time and that's a simple fact, no emotion involved.

At no stage did Ferrari umm or ahh or support the 4 cylinder concept and why should they, it doesn't fit into any of their road or race programs.

In my view Ferrari's 'win', if it is so, has stopped a lot of the other smaller teams again getting run over by the big manufacturers such as we saw when Toyota, Honda, Jaguar (Ford) and Renault were at it full swing - the costs of F1 massively escalated and then they just pissed off as they saw fit leaving F1 damaged (yet Ferrari is still here).

[Wuzak]

Well, as I read it VAG said we won't come in unless it is a 4. The other manufacturers represented in the EWG reluctantly agreed. Then VAG said we won't be bothered, and then came the psuh for the V6.

[24gerrard]

Well, as I read it VAG said we won't come in unless it is a 4. The other manufacturers represented in the EWG reluctantly agreed. Then VAG said we won't be bothered, and then came the psuh for the V6.

I wonder how much the FOX TV deal had on the decision?
Or for that matter the Murdoch/Ferrari potential take over of F1?

Still no doubt it will result in FOX/Ferrari computer games.
We cant have proper technical development when important things like this are in consideration can we.
Keep it a spec formula like formula Ford, dont forget this is the weedy 21st century.

[Wuzak]

I wonder how much the FOX TV deal had on the decision?
Or for that matter the Murdoch/Ferrari potential take over of F1?

Still no doubt it will result in FOX/Ferrari computer games.
We cant have proper technical development when important things like this are in consideration can we.
Keep it a spec formula like formula Ford, dont forget this is the weedy 21st century.

I believ the specs are so tight that the likes of Cosworth and PURE can afford to be in F1.

[24gerrard]

I believ the specs are so tight that the likes of Cosworth and PURE can afford to be in F1.

Just specify a big block Chevy then anyone can have a go