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[IamFasterthanU]

Comparing the results of both the drivers in lower series

Daniel Riccardo

2007 Formula Renault 2.0 6th

2008 Formula Renault 2.0 1st

2009 British Formula 3 1st

2010 Formula Renault 3.5 Series 2nd

2011 Formula Renault 3.5 Series 5th

Jean-Eric Vergne

2007 Formula Campus Renault 1st

2008 Formula Renault 2.0 Eurocup 6th
Formula Renault 2.0 WEC 4th

2009 Formula Renault 2.0 Eurocup 2nd
Formula Renault 2.0 WEC 2nd

2010 British Formula 3 1st

2011 Formula Renault 3.5 Series 2nd

So can someone explain why Riccardo is being touted as next big thing??

(corrected the error)

Edited by IamFasterthanU, 02 July 2011 - 15:00.

[Norm]

I had no idea that they were teammates.

Guess this just makes Wickens even better. Seeing as he is beating both of them.

[wattoroos]

they are not teammates, they are both just part of the RB junior programme, ricciardo is beating his teammate in F3.5 and Vergne is currently being beaten by his teammate. Cant really compare them unless they are in the same car. They are in two different cars which could also make a difference and ricciardo hasnt started three GP's this season and he is only 38 points behind which he might have made up had he started those GP's

[IamFasterthanU]

they are not teammates, they are both just part of the RB junior programme, ricciardo is beating his teammate in F3.5 and Vergne is currently being beaten by his teammate. Cant really compare them unless they are in the same car. They are in two different cars which could also make a difference and ricciardo hasnt started three GP's this season and he is only 38 points behind which he might have made up had he started those GP's

Ty for the info my bad..corrected the error. As far as i know riccardo didn't start 2 gps, he crashed in the last round

[Unbiased]

HH Frentzen and Ralf Schumacher were beating Michael Schumacher in other leagues.

[LiJu914]

HH Frentzen and Ralf Schumacher were beating Michael Schumacher in other leagues.

What?

Ich guess, you mean Wendlinger....

[IamFasterthanU]

HH Frentzen and Ralf Schumacher were beating Michael Schumacher in other leagues.

ralf schumacher started competed in formula BMW junior in 1992. As for frentzen couldn't find his lower formula record

[LiJu914]

ralf schumacher started competed in formula BMW junior in 1992. As for frentzen couldn't find his lower formula record

Well, i can tell you that Frentzen and Schumacher competed in F3 in 1989. I think in the end Frentzen became 2nd one point ahead of MSC.

Wendlinger won the championship, but he was not a rookie anymore in this season unlike both of the other two guys.

Edit:
Small correction. MSC und HHF were equal on points. Wendlinger was one point ahead.
Click

Edited by LiJu914, 02 July 2011 - 15:33.

[Sardukar]

So can someone explain why Riccardo is being touted as next big thing??

because he is better.

[dau]

because he is better.

Should try not to crash on the formation lap then.

[Unbiased]

I meant to say Ralf was seen as a bigger talent than Michael in other leagues.

F1 is different, it just suits some drivers and they suddenly beat anyone who was beating them in other leagues. Although there is a car difference in F1, you can still judge who is doing the best job.

[lukestanton91]

I think they are both superb talents and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ricciardo and Vergne as the Red Bull Racing line up in the future

[Lotusseven]

I had no idea that they were teammates.

Guess this just makes Wickens even better. Seeing as he is beating both of them.;)

Vergne and Ricciardo was team mates in Tech 1 Racing last year, but for some reasons I don´t know RBR didn´t want to have their juniors in same team
this season.

[Zava]

Vergne and Ricciardo was team mates in Tech 1 Racing last year, but for some reasons I don´t know RBR didn´t want to have their juniors in same team
this season.

they were late signing Ricciardo for this year, as it wasn't sure where he'll continue, and they didn't have a team with 2 empty slots for DR and JEV, wasn't it the case?

[MonzaF1]

Frentzen spent about a hundred years in the lower formulae compared to Michael and Ralf never reached Schumi's level.
Schumacher was selected simply because he was brilliantly quick always and then won. Neither of the above two showed similar promise. And when Schumi got into the Mercedes they reall saw his inate ability.

It is nothing like the structure of things between Vergne and Ricciardo.

Quite frankly it depends on Helmut Marko and given that Ricciardo is i year ahead of Vergne anyway in the program. But Ricciardo can have HRT. Vergne should celebrate.

[Lotusseven]

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So can someone explain why Riccardo is being touted as next big thing??

(corrected the error)

Maybe a part of it can depend on this ?

Ricciardo made his track debut at the wheel of a Formula One car, when he tested for Red Bull Racing at the young drivers test at Circuito de Jerez over three days, from 1-3 December 2009.[13] On the final day of testing, Daniel clocked the fastest time of the test by over a second. This placed him as the only driver to go into the 1:17 bracket.

Yas Marina Circuit, on 16-17 November 2010 young drivers test.
Ricciardo continued to show his one-lap prowess and dominated the event. With his fastest lap being 1.3 seconds faster than 2010 World Champion Sebastian Vettel's qualifying lap the Saturday before.

(I know, I know the Vettel comparison ? ...it´s diffrent circumstances in a race and a young drivers test, but the text above comes from Wikipedia)

Edited by Lotusseven, 02 July 2011 - 17:36.

[marcoferrari]

Maybe a part of it can depend on this ?



(I know, I know the Vettel comparison ? ...it´s diffrent circumstances in a race and a young drivers test, but the text above comes from Wikipedia)

Not the 1,3 second thing again, please...

[LiJu914]

Maybe a part of it can depend on this ?



(I know, I know the Vettel comparison ? ...it´s diffrent circumstances in a race and a young drivers test, but the text above comes from Wikipedia)

I don´t think this test is that important in this case.

Many test-drivers were quicker than the fastest-times set by the respective regular drivers in qualifying.

[MonzaF1]

Today:
Jean-Eric Vergne dominates at Hungaroring in Formula Renault 3.5

Ricciardo starting 5th crashed - must be the thought of stepping into the HRT. Welcome to the back of grid Daniel - its going to be hell.

Edited by MonzaF1, 02 July 2011 - 20:41.

[Lotusseven]

Today:
Jean-Eric Vergne dominates at Hungaroring in Formula Renault 3.5

Ricciardo starting 5th crashed - must be the thought of stepping into the HRT. Welcome to the back of grid Daniel - its going to be hell.

It could have happend to anyone...don´t you think ? The track was wet + slicks + the thought of the HRT car. Not the best combination ;)

Edited by Lotusseven, 02 July 2011 - 21:47.

[marcoferrari]

It could have happend to anyone...don´t you think ? The track was wet + slicks + the thought of the HRT car. Not the best combination ;)

But we are talking about Ricciardo, the next best thing in Formula One...

[krapmeister]

Ah I see the backlash has started in earnest...

That Ricciardo has managed to get there first doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to turn out to be the better of the 2, however Red Bull have obviously seen something in him - whether it is in the telemetry or his time in the RBR simulator - to take a punt on him at this stage of his career. However considering Ricciardo has joined a new team this season in FR3.5 and has also been combining that with F1 duties (STR testing + RBR simulator etc) I don't think he's been doing to bad. Granted Vergne has obviously been driving well but aside from his talent with the new push in France to get the French GP back on the calender I don't think it will be too long before he joins Ricciardo in the F1 ranks...

Edited by krapmeister, 02 July 2011 - 23:38.

[weta]

It will be interesting to see if Vergne takes over Ricciardo's Friday morning practice duties at STR now that the Australian is at HRT.

[krapmeister]

It will be interesting to see if Vergne takes over Ricciardo's Friday morning practice duties at STR now that the Australian is at HRT.

Not sure - I get the feeling with Jaime/Seb so close in points now and both seeming to have satisfied STR for their spot for the rest of the season that they will give them all FP's.

Also Vergne is in the title fight for FR3.5 and they may want him to concentrate on that.

[DILLIGAF]

So can someone explain why Riccardo is being touted as next big thing??

Simple, because Red Bull (read Helmut Marko) believe he is. Besides his racing results in the lower categories, i think the "next big thing" stuff really started to gather momentum with his young driver testing for Red Bull. At Jerez in 2009 he clocked the fastest time of the test by over a second. Then in his test at Abu Dhabi in November last year he slayed everyone & his fastest lap was 1.3 seconds quicker than Vettel's pole lap in the GP. That test got him the reserve driver (friday testing) spot with Toro Rosso basically.

Vergne is a huge talent & he'll be in F1 soon enough as well, at least i hope so.

[wattoroos]

Ty for the info my bad..corrected the error. As far as i know riccardo didn't start 2 gps, he crashed in the last round

thats all right , yeah he crashed on formation lap or something, i just saw the DNS and thought that he didnt make it to the grid for some other reason. yeah so its only 2 GP's he hasnt started, both of them are very talented and im sure vergne will be in F1 very soon as he is only one year behind him through the lower categories, both of them in the toro rosso might possibly happen if TR dont get sold

[BennyJohnson]

I think they've put all their eggs in one basket, they marketed Ricciardo and he had appeal, so they are going to do what they can to use him to that effect.

We'll know when he gets to a legitimate F1 seat whether he has the talent he's been touted for or not.

Edited by BennyJohnson, 03 July 2011 - 04:08.

[goldenboy]

haha ah the tall poppy syndrome has begun hey?

I agree with the post a few earlier, both are awesome and both will be in F1. If JEV was in DR's situation I'm sure we would have a thread with the opposite. And jaimes supporters would be calling JEV a waste of space instead of DR

Edited by goldenboy, 03 July 2011 - 06:46.

[karne]

Has it ever occurred to some of you that this guy might be bloody fast?

A driver's position at the end of a championship doesn't always refect the entire season. I mean look at Vettel last year, never led the damn thing at all until after the last round. And if we're going to start on the junior formulae, well I guess Vettel is toast and everyone should start backing di Resta for the title now.

My god. I've never seen tall poppy syndrome so rampant.

[sosidge]

Surely the simple answer is that Ricciardo is 1 or 2 years further up the ladder than Vergne?

Ricciardo is "the next big thing" in the Red Bull stable this year, and he is getting his F1 opportunity.

JEV will no doubt be "the next big thing" next year and will be the lad you see looking edgily over pit wall, waiting for his chance for a run in the car.

Ricciardo has aready earned his opportunity, so judge him on what he can show us in F1, not on what he may or may not be acheiving in the FR3.5 series that he is only partly committed to.

[goldenboy]

I think thats pretty much all you could do to seperate them - 1 or 2 yrs up the ladder.

However I hope they give JEV the same courtesy they have given ricciardo.

[William Hunt]

So can someone explain why Riccardo is being touted as next big thing??

Because Ricciardo was just one year ahead of Vergne, Ricciardo won the F3 title one year before Vergne did, because of that he was 1 place ahead of Vergne in the Red Bull development pyramid. But their carreer results so far are very similar so I think they are quite evenly matched although Vergne is leading the World Series right now but Ricciardo came close to winning that series last year.

[MonzaF1]

It could have happend to anyone...don´t you think ? The track was wet + slicks + the thought of the HRT car. Not the best combination ;)

[MonzaF1]

Ah I see the backlash has started in earnest...;)

That Ricciardo has managed to get there first doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to turn out to be the better of the 2, however Red Bull have obviously seen something in him - whether it is in the telemetry or his time in the RBR simulator - to take a punt on him at this stage of his career. However considering Ricciardo has joined a new team this season in FR3.5 and has also been combining that with F1 duties (STR testing + RBR simulator etc) I don't think he's been doing to bad. Granted Vergne has obviously been driving well but aside from his talent with the new push in France to get the French GP back on the calender I don't think it will be too long before he joins Ricciardo in the F1 ranks...

The problem is where.
I reckon both Buemi and Alguersari have reached their limit. Neither are bad but usually after this time if either is particularly good, one would have been well ahead. So, perhaps in the next 12 months or so we will see both Ricciardo and Vergne in the Toro Rosso.

Thats what I would do because neither the Swiss nor the Spaniard have done anything to warrant a seat at Red Bull even if one was available. And of Ricciardo and Vergne are given time and do well, the odds are that Webber will have moved on - to Ferrari?

[marcoferrari]

The problem is where.
I reckon both Buemi and Alguersari have reached their limit. Neither are bad but usually after this time if either is particularly good, one would have been well ahead. So, perhaps in the next 12 months or so we will see both Ricciardo and Vergne in the Toro Rosso.

Thats what I would do because neither the Swiss nor the Spaniard have done anything to warrant a seat at Red Bull even if one was available. And of Ricciardo and Vergne are given time and do well, the odds are that Webber will have moved on - to Ferrari?

I seriously doubt that they will drop both current drivers... And lower categories are different compared to Formula One... Success in this series is never assured... The best example is Hulkenberg, who won almost everything before F1, but didn t impress in Williams and on opposite site is Kobayashi with his mediocre showing in lower series, but his nice job in Formula One...

[Lotusseven]

I asked Jean-Eric Vergne if he will be the reserve driver in Toro Rosso now when Daniel got his duties in Hispania.
He answered: No idea...

[Zava]

I asked Jean-Eric Vergne if he will be the reserve driver in Toro Rosso now when Daniel got his duties in Hispania.
He answered: No idea...

AFAIK in the post race comments he said if he gets the call he goes, he's ready.
also Péter asked him, and said something like he's now in charge for the red bull simulator works on the RB8? not sure, I'll find out his exact words.

[Lotusseven]

AFAIK in the post race comments he said if he gets the call he goes, he's ready.
also Péter asked him, and said something like he's now in charge for the red bull simulator works on the RB8? not sure, I'll find out his exact words.

Great !

[GhostR]

FR3.5 this year it's hard to compare the two, as they aren't in the same team. Carlin have clearly hit a sweet spot with setup etc, as both Vergne and Wickens have been showing exceptional pace. ISR appear to be lacking something - their second driver is massively off Ricciardo (which can't be helping, if that #2 isn't contributing to setup) and Ricciardo missed the first round. Recent comments from DR would support the theory that the ISR team cars aren't up to speed: he's clearly not happy with where the car's at currently, and feels that's holding him back.

Despite that, pre-Hungary Ricciardo was ahead of Vergne on points (89-88) in a like-for-like comparison (ie, excluding the first round), and also ahead on wins (2-1). Hungary he didn't cover himself in glory, but I'm sure he'll bounce back and put in some strong drives later in the season.

[Lotusseven]

@IamFasterthanU

Horner said: "(Ricciardo) is very much on our radar.
"He's a really talented youngster, a very gifted driver who has earned this opportunity to make his Formula One debut.
"Certainly the work he has done for us in the young driver test and in the simulator has been very, very impressive.

all of it ...sportinglife.com

As someone said above both are very impressive so far...

[krapmeister]

@IamFasterthanU

Horner said: "(Ricciardo) is very much on our radar.
"He's a really talented youngster, a very gifted driver who has earned this opportunity to make his Formula One debut.
"Certainly the work he has done for us in the young driver test and in the simulator has been very, very impressive.

all of it ...sportinglife.com

As someone said above both are very impressive so far...

I would've very much hoped so, given that he's tested the RB6, has been doing work in their simulator, is their reserve driver and part of the Red bull Driver Program...