I would like to know from you which is the worst F1 race coverage around. Please give reasons why you think that a certain channel is paticularly bad at doing their job.
I lived in Germany for quite a long time, and I guess that the RTL coverage of F1 races ranks pretty high in the list of worst TV coverage ever.
reasons:
- commercial breaks DURING the race (very long ones, the first break coming after about 6 laps)
- they don't show the international post-race interviews, because like this the relevant questions would be asked in a few minutes. Instead they try to keep the spectators watching a few more commercial breaks before they show bits of interviews. Annoying !
- The interviewer - Kai Ebel - is the worst man on TV alive. He runs around in a stupid overall asking stupid questions. After Spa2000 he asked Ron Dennis whether Mikas' pass was important for the outcome of the race...
- After Monza 2000 they showed the cryng scene of MS about 1000 times.
- The studio audienceis a bunch of the weirdest people you can imagine. Scary...
Pleaso convince me, that the TV coverage in your country is even worse.
BTW: As I live in Switzerland now, I am happy to get Swiss and Austrian F1 TV coverage. Especially the Austrian one is pretty good, IMO.
t@nk_girl[p][Edited by t@nk_girl on 01-28-2001]
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 17:07
Darkest day of my F1 viewing. Monaco 96. Two hour race and pre and post condensed into a one hour program shown at 2am the following Monday
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 17:09
IMO
Speedvision provided the BEST F1 coverage
Speedvision provided the BEST F1 coverage
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 17:44
The CBC in Canada must be the WORST there is for their coverage of motorsports.
They talk little about the racing with a host who knows very little about racing. I love watching both the F1 and CART races here in Canada, but I just loathe the CBC for their production of these such events.
They did have John Watson last year though, which was a vast improvement. IMO , he is a class act and should be possibly doing the F1 on ITV after Murray.
They talk little about the racing with a host who knows very little about racing. I love watching both the F1 and CART races here in Canada, but I just loathe the CBC for their production of these such events.
They did have John Watson last year though, which was a vast improvement. IMO , he is a class act and should be possibly doing the F1 on ITV after Murray.
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 18:02
Right now, the worst F1 coverage is in the US ;)!!
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 18:23
TV coverage in Brazil and Argentina are prety good with no commercial breaks during the race ( but before and after it ), and commentators that know what they are talking about . But when I went on vacation to the US I discovered that American motor racing TV coverage ( any form NASCAR, CART and F-1 ) it's quite the opposite - lots of interruptions for commercials with absolutely no respect for the audience .
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 18:57
Pretty much anywhere on the planet that can only get world feed will have crappy coverage, thanks to Bernie's greed. In one race they actually had the audacity to give only 8 seconds of on-board footage, and this was after the race finish. The Erja cam, shots of empty front straights, lingering close ups of Jean Todt's nose. What is this crap?
Speedvision does a good job with the crappy world feed coverage they get. Plenty of time for pre and post-race, live race and qualifying.
Speedvision does a good job with the crappy world feed coverage they get. Plenty of time for pre and post-race, live race and qualifying.
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 19:01
Simple answer to a simple question...USA!
Regards,
Justin
Regards,
Justin
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 19:05
Yes, I must agree that Speedvisions coverage was excellent, they just needed some adjustments to the commentary team.
As it stands right now, the US has NO coverage until Bernie will commit to SOMEONE! And if you ask me NO coverage is the WORST coverage.
As it stands right now, the US has NO coverage until Bernie will commit to SOMEONE! And if you ask me NO coverage is the WORST coverage.
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 21:47
T@nk_girl,
You`ve made a good move by getting the Austrian F1 coverage. I`ve seen their stuff and it is very good. ORF were covering nearly all the F1 races live in 1978 with at least 10 mins build-up, and the podium was guaranteed. There are some countries in the world that don`t even get that now!
The British coverage is okay, but nothing more. Live qual & race, and thats about it.The podium ceremony is always cut away from before the drivers have left the rostrum, and i don`t remember seeing a completely full post-race press-conference during 2000 on ITV....apart from that they`re not bad.
I don`t know too much about the French coverage on TF1, but i am aware that they leave coverage on the run-down lap, and return about 10/15 mins later to show h-lights of the podium. Maybe one of the French members here can confirm this?
Italy have reasonably good coverage though RAI tv. They are always live for qual, w-up & the race. On a Friday night they also have a weekly magazine programme called "pit-lane", which is always concentarted on Ferrari (hardly surprising), and they have Ivan Capelli as a co-commentator.
Is the F1 coverage in Switzerland still on TSR & TSI? They had it for years with much similar levels of coverage to Austria.....very good.
Holland also has very high levels of airtime through RTL 5. Usually 90 mins build-up before the race and the commentators are the highly competent Olav Mol & ex-eurosport announcer Allard Kalff as the pit reporter. During the winter they have had a weekly magazine show for 30 mins, showing detailed coverage of all the new car launches, the Ferrari drivers doing their annual ski-ng promo holiday at Madonna Di Campigio etc. etc.
Recently America has had very good levels of coverage through Speedvision, with plenty of weekly magazine shows and F1 related docu programmes through the season.....hence the major worry that if the national networks get the right to F1 (ABC, ESPN)then the amount of F1 airtime could well be cut considerably.
Hope this helps.
You`ve made a good move by getting the Austrian F1 coverage. I`ve seen their stuff and it is very good. ORF were covering nearly all the F1 races live in 1978 with at least 10 mins build-up, and the podium was guaranteed. There are some countries in the world that don`t even get that now!
The British coverage is okay, but nothing more. Live qual & race, and thats about it.The podium ceremony is always cut away from before the drivers have left the rostrum, and i don`t remember seeing a completely full post-race press-conference during 2000 on ITV....apart from that they`re not bad.
I don`t know too much about the French coverage on TF1, but i am aware that they leave coverage on the run-down lap, and return about 10/15 mins later to show h-lights of the podium. Maybe one of the French members here can confirm this?
Italy have reasonably good coverage though RAI tv. They are always live for qual, w-up & the race. On a Friday night they also have a weekly magazine programme called "pit-lane", which is always concentarted on Ferrari (hardly surprising), and they have Ivan Capelli as a co-commentator.
Is the F1 coverage in Switzerland still on TSR & TSI? They had it for years with much similar levels of coverage to Austria.....very good.
Holland also has very high levels of airtime through RTL 5. Usually 90 mins build-up before the race and the commentators are the highly competent Olav Mol & ex-eurosport announcer Allard Kalff as the pit reporter. During the winter they have had a weekly magazine show for 30 mins, showing detailed coverage of all the new car launches, the Ferrari drivers doing their annual ski-ng promo holiday at Madonna Di Campigio etc. etc.
Recently America has had very good levels of coverage through Speedvision, with plenty of weekly magazine shows and F1 related docu programmes through the season.....hence the major worry that if the national networks get the right to F1 (ABC, ESPN)then the amount of F1 airtime could well be cut considerably.
Hope this helps.
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 22:11
I think that the worst F1 broadcaster is ITV in the UK. They've done a really ropy, insufficient, woeful, pitiful, incompetent, lousy, pathetic, disastrous....(Get on with it! - AtlasF1 forumers cry) job of the last two seasons of F1, and have only offered tokenistic improvements to coverage for this season. The gap between advert breaks has been as low as FOUR minutes!
I could go on for several more years about how ITV's coverage is lacking in numerous other areas but you'll all qualify for a pension before I've got even halfway through!
I could go on for several more years about how ITV's coverage is lacking in numerous other areas but you'll all qualify for a pension before I've got even halfway through!
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 22:56
Coverage in Finland is decent, or at least was: the contract with Bernie ran out after last season and a new one is still unsigned. MTV3 are confident that they will get it. For the last few years we've got live broadcast of qualifying, warm-up and race including 30 min build-up, podium ceremonies and press-conference (tape-delayed, without the drivers commenting in their own languages).
Occasional commercial breaks are usually quite well placed in dead moments between pitstops. The main commentator however is absolutly dreadful. He has no idea whatsoever of what is happening onscreen or on the rest of the track(thank god for f1live.com). Rumours are that he will be replaced for this season, if they send the races.
Occasional commercial breaks are usually quite well placed in dead moments between pitstops. The main commentator however is absolutly dreadful. He has no idea whatsoever of what is happening onscreen or on the rest of the track(thank god for f1live.com). Rumours are that he will be replaced for this season, if they send the races.
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 23:05
Australia. We are the only Grand Prix hosting country not to receive Qualifying footage at all! Live or delayed - none at all! We get a 30-second snippet
We've got a host who, after years of being host on Channel 9's pathetic efforts, still can't get the names of things correct (note: the FIR), they blabble on about non F1 for ten minutes; constantly delay the coverage by about 1 1/2 hours, and then don't show simple things like parc ferme, and the post-race press conference. Then the ad breaks, the two hosts (the other host being 1980 World Champ Alan Jones), talk over Murray and Martin from ITV for about a minute after each ad break, which is usually about 3 minutes.
They also take too many ad breaks. One perfect example is when in the 1998 season finale at Suzuka, Japan, they took an ad break, and when we came back from the ad, we had Eastlake (the main host) say "just moments ago.....(Schumacher's tyre burst). The interesting thing about that incident, is that there was some footage we downloaded with M&M's commentary of the incident. Channel 9 can never be bothered, and the effort they put in shows that are incapable of proper professional television broadcasting.
We got so infuriated with Channel 9, we set up a website: http://www.f1fansvschannel9.com
regards,
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We've got a host who, after years of being host on Channel 9's pathetic efforts, still can't get the names of things correct (note: the FIR), they blabble on about non F1 for ten minutes; constantly delay the coverage by about 1 1/2 hours, and then don't show simple things like parc ferme, and the post-race press conference. Then the ad breaks, the two hosts (the other host being 1980 World Champ Alan Jones), talk over Murray and Martin from ITV for about a minute after each ad break, which is usually about 3 minutes.
They also take too many ad breaks. One perfect example is when in the 1998 season finale at Suzuka, Japan, they took an ad break, and when we came back from the ad, we had Eastlake (the main host) say "just moments ago.....(Schumacher's tyre burst). The interesting thing about that incident, is that there was some footage we downloaded with M&M's commentary of the incident. Channel 9 can never be bothered, and the effort they put in shows that are incapable of proper professional television broadcasting.
We got so infuriated with Channel 9, we set up a website: http://www.f1fansvschannel9.com
regards,
doohanOK.
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 23:22
As long as they cover and show the races, you guys have nothing to complain about!
But in Sweden...
1. only shows the european races live, the other ones are either postponed or showed in a 30 minutes summary.
2. 2 or 3 qualifying sessions are showed, per year...
3. The european races are showed live, but after 1 hour they cut for comercial and a general sportshow in about 5-10 minuets. Then those smartasses came up with the idea that instead of missing those 10 minutes, they postpone it, so after this brake, we see the races 10 minutes postponed.
Sometimes we get to see the press conferences.
But in Sweden...
1. only shows the european races live, the other ones are either postponed or showed in a 30 minutes summary.
2. 2 or 3 qualifying sessions are showed, per year...
3. The european races are showed live, but after 1 hour they cut for comercial and a general sportshow in about 5-10 minuets. Then those smartasses came up with the idea that instead of missing those 10 minutes, they postpone it, so after this brake, we see the races 10 minutes postponed.
Sometimes we get to see the press conferences.
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Posted 28 January 2001 - 23:33
t@nk girl, I will tell you this:
The coverage of Formula1 in my country is so BAD that I watch the races from RTL via digital satelite. Honestly!
The two commentators here are so ignorant about F1 that they are simply unbearable. For example, they didn't know that Flavio is the manager of Trulli and when they were seeing him talking to Trulli at times during warmup, they hypothesised about Trulli being in talks with Benetton. Go figure. Other example: (After Hungaroring, which was the first time Ferrari used the chimneys) At Spa, when they didn't have them, these jerks looked surprised that Mclaren had chimneys! Also, today they did a special recap of 2000 and along showed the provisional grid of 2001. Needless to say, they listed the No2 Prost driver as "to be announced".
You would've thought that being in this field, they would at least check the internet daily, just for the news. These people are so ignorant it hurts too much to hear them. Not to mention that they are so fanatically pro-ferrari that when Mika pulled his excellent move in Spa and completely annihilated the reds, they were so pissed off that when they saw Ron, Haug and Newey cheering they outered the unbelievable quote: "Look, the three stooges are happy now".
There are MYRIAD other such incidents. I am glad that I can watch F1 on RTL although I have no idea what they are talking about. And that Abel guy seems like a nice fellow.
Feel lucky you are not a Formula1 AND McLaren fan living in Greece...[p][Edited by Max Torque on 01-28-2001]
The coverage of Formula1 in my country is so BAD that I watch the races from RTL via digital satelite. Honestly!
The two commentators here are so ignorant about F1 that they are simply unbearable. For example, they didn't know that Flavio is the manager of Trulli and when they were seeing him talking to Trulli at times during warmup, they hypothesised about Trulli being in talks with Benetton. Go figure. Other example: (After Hungaroring, which was the first time Ferrari used the chimneys) At Spa, when they didn't have them, these jerks looked surprised that Mclaren had chimneys! Also, today they did a special recap of 2000 and along showed the provisional grid of 2001. Needless to say, they listed the No2 Prost driver as "to be announced".
You would've thought that being in this field, they would at least check the internet daily, just for the news. These people are so ignorant it hurts too much to hear them. Not to mention that they are so fanatically pro-ferrari that when Mika pulled his excellent move in Spa and completely annihilated the reds, they were so pissed off that when they saw Ron, Haug and Newey cheering they outered the unbelievable quote: "Look, the three stooges are happy now".
There are MYRIAD other such incidents. I am glad that I can watch F1 on RTL although I have no idea what they are talking about. And that Abel guy seems like a nice fellow.
Feel lucky you are not a Formula1 AND McLaren fan living in Greece...[p][Edited by Max Torque on 01-28-2001]
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 06:09
Hehe....you lot don't know when you have your asses in butter 
Try watching F1 from Egypt. You have two choices, RAI without a decoder - or NTV in Istanbul, where the commentary is in Turkish!
Try watching F1 from Egypt. You have two choices, RAI without a decoder - or NTV in Istanbul, where the commentary is in Turkish!
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 06:32
Malaysia the first year, the Malaysian director had no idea what he was doing
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 06:49
Australia sucks the most! No qualifying, 10 minute pre-race show where the hosts talk about their days, etc. And the races are delayed, so that we get to watch the start of the races just as they would be finishing. When it comes to Japanese GP time, we always get the race live during the day, but, this year the brainiacs in programming thought it would be a good idea to delay the race for 8 hours because the last 5 minutes of the race would clash with the 6 o'clock news! Then, if you managed to avoid all news reports so as not to ruin the result of the race, the idiots practically told us who won the race before they showed it!
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 10:16
In New Zealand we get fairly good coverage with ITV commentary we have ads but at uncritcal times and get all races including the english part of the press conference live exept Sepang and Suzuka which are delayed becuase they clash with the evening news. We also get abuot half an hour warmup which consists of 2 to 3 mins of qualifying highlights a playstion lap with Martin Brundell doing a commentary of a lap of the track (do other countrys get this) and about a 20min documentary on what McLaren truck drivers do and how they paint Mikas and Davids Helmets etc.
Do you think this is resnoble coverage compared to our Austrailian counterparts I do?[p][Edited by Rosco on 01-29-2001]
Do you think this is resnoble coverage compared to our Austrailian counterparts I do?[p][Edited by Rosco on 01-29-2001]
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 10:20
Originally posted by B.Traven
TV coverage in Brazil and Argentina are prety good with no commercial breaks during the race ( but before and after it ), and commentators that know what they are talking about . But when I went on vacation to the US I discovered that American motor racing TV coverage ( any form NASCAR, CART and F-1 ) it's quite the opposite - lots of interruptions for commercials with absolutely no respect for the audience .
B. Traven:
Yes, and we have complete coverage of saturday qualyfiyng, too.
I just find dificult to agree with you when it cames to comentators. Well, Reginaldo Leme is quite good, but Galvão "Eu sabia! Eu sabia" Bueno, sheesh!
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 11:05
Hi t@nk_girl, imo you're spot on with RTL !
Normally I'm able to watch Austrian TV, but two or three times I was forced to watch races on RTL and it really sucked !
The first time I watched RTL I remember quite well, got up 5 o'clock in the morning, looking foward to the race...and after only five or six laps they came up with their first 'break'
I'm not a big fan of Heinz Prüller (the Austrian version of Murray Walker I guess) but compared to the crappy German coverage I'm really happy to get ORF.
I didn't think there could be something worse than RTL but if I read what some poore guy posted above...condolations to Max Torque ;)
Normally I'm able to watch Austrian TV, but two or three times I was forced to watch races on RTL and it really sucked !
The first time I watched RTL I remember quite well, got up 5 o'clock in the morning, looking foward to the race...and after only five or six laps they came up with their first 'break'
I'm not a big fan of Heinz Prüller (the Austrian version of Murray Walker I guess) but compared to the crappy German coverage I'm really happy to get ORF.
I didn't think there could be something worse than RTL but if I read what some poore guy posted above...condolations to Max Torque ;)
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 11:36
Australia's sucks.
The Boffins at channel 9 will happily delay the news for half an hour if Mark Taylor or Steve Waugh are approaching a century against some weak third world sporting nation.
However, the posibility of Ferrari clinching the WDC for the first time 21 years was not enough to reschedule the news half an hour later. I love cricket, but have no sympathy for channel nine when the Aussie's whip the Windies and they have to show reruns of Punky Brewster to fill time.Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of blokes :-)
The problem in Australia is that the media think F1 is a hoons sport with very little following. How wrong they are!
The Boffins at channel 9 will happily delay the news for half an hour if Mark Taylor or Steve Waugh are approaching a century against some weak third world sporting nation.
However, the posibility of Ferrari clinching the WDC for the first time 21 years was not enough to reschedule the news half an hour later. I love cricket, but have no sympathy for channel nine when the Aussie's whip the Windies and they have to show reruns of Punky Brewster to fill time.Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of blokes :-)
The problem in Australia is that the media think F1 is a hoons sport with very little following. How wrong they are!
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 12:17
I'm in deep shock about the things I read on this thread I started. 
And I complained about RTL....
However, I agree with mono-posto:
t@nk_girl
And I complained about RTL....
However, I agree with mono-posto:
NO coverage is the WORST coverage
t@nk_girl
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 14:35
When I last visited Uranus I found the reception to be somewhat half-arsed. Other crack-ing comments on this all-time classic pun would be appreciated.
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 18:31
The coverage in my place(Hong Kong)is very very bad!There are no F1 broadcast on the local TV-channel!also other motorsport.
Only have 1 event in every year,it's Macau-GP!They broadcast it because Macau TV-station supply it without any CHARGE!!That is why I'm so love Macau-GP,because I watch it when I was a kid and that's my first know about motorsport!
Until 95 there were another channel arrived,It's call "Star-Sport",it's a satellite TV which also coverage many Asian countrys.They show all qualify and race live and have a 45 mins preview before each race.But the coverage of the race is very bad,Both chinses commentators(he's one of the VIP to tested[seated] the 2-seater McLaren in 98) are like a IDIOT,they don't know about motorsports!!They described the last corner of Magny-Cours is a "fast" corner and claimed that if the safety car out,all original gap between each car will add to the finish-time!!!I read some BB in the past which's complain about Murray Walker & Marten Brundle.But I think MW & MB is much better than that 2 commentators.
And most importantly,NO on-board shot!!!I never saw MS or MH car's on-board shot in the last 2 years!!!Even the accident of MS in Silverstone!!!
So I think the coverage in HK is the WORST!!!
Only have 1 event in every year,it's Macau-GP!They broadcast it because Macau TV-station supply it without any CHARGE!!That is why I'm so love Macau-GP,because I watch it when I was a kid and that's my first know about motorsport!
Until 95 there were another channel arrived,It's call "Star-Sport",it's a satellite TV which also coverage many Asian countrys.They show all qualify and race live and have a 45 mins preview before each race.But the coverage of the race is very bad,Both chinses commentators(he's one of the VIP to tested[seated] the 2-seater McLaren in 98) are like a IDIOT,they don't know about motorsports!!They described the last corner of Magny-Cours is a "fast" corner and claimed that if the safety car out,all original gap between each car will add to the finish-time!!!I read some BB in the past which's complain about Murray Walker & Marten Brundle.But I think MW & MB is much better than that 2 commentators.
And most importantly,NO on-board shot!!!I never saw MS or MH car's on-board shot in the last 2 years!!!Even the accident of MS in Silverstone!!!
So I think the coverage in HK is the WORST!!!
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 19:14
Good things about the coverage in Denmark:
NO ADS! all races live, good secondary comentator
Bad things:
Comentator is SATAN!!!
NO ADS! all races live, good secondary comentator
Bad things:
Comentator is SATAN!!!
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 19:24
RTL coverage does indeed suck...
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Posted 29 January 2001 - 19:25
I must say, that Sepang in 1999 was the worst TV coverage, that I have ever watched. However, Sepang in 2000 was much better.
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Posted 30 January 2001 - 03:32
We have a 45 minute preview, which is a bit McLaren oriented because the program is sponsored by Mobil. We usually have qualifying live and thankfully,the race will definitely be live - last race which wasn't live was Canada 1998, delayed by 1 hour.
But the commentators are awful. Just have a look at my signature!!!
But the commentators are awful. Just have a look at my signature!!!
