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[Michael Ferner]

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How in the world did you find us?

[lcbulldog]

I know, there's lots of trees in that forest! Glad I found TNF.

[Rob Semmeling]

Can anyone tell me a little about the races in Ocean Shores, Washington in the late 1960s? What kind of circuit was used and how many races were held there?

[Terry Walker]

Probably an airport circuit. Ocean Shores Municipal Airport. The areas a canal development now, but the airport is still there. Maybe a navy airbase once?

[Rob Semmeling]

That airfield looks very small, Terry, so if the races took place there it can't have been a very interesting course. However, as I understand, Ocean Shores was not an airfield course but a street circuit.

I reckon the answer is in Martin Rudow's book "Weekends of Glory", but unfortunately I only have its predecessor "Long Straights and Hairpin Turns". Maybe someone who has the book can have a look.

[Bob Riebe]

Out of curiosity, it seems that, that furinner M. Ferner seems to have more info on U.S. sprint car racing than people born and raised in the country that spawned these fine vehicles-- Mr. Ferner, as I was going through a book I have on the URC, Unitied Racing Club, it seems that big-mile or so- tracks were once common on some sprint car circuits.

Do you have any idea of what tracks were used and how many of those still exist?

The H.A.M.B. has a lot of info, but that site needs some sort of organization- BADLY.

Edited by Bob Riebe, 18 September 2011 - 21:16.

[raceannouncer2003]

Can anyone tell me a little about the races in Ocean Shores, Washington in the late 1960s? What kind of circuit was used and how many races were held there?

According to Martin, "...on largely empty city streets that had been laid down in preparation for an anticipated housing boom...A flat course just over two miles with 14 turns..." Lot of problems with sand. Just one event there, in 1968.

Vince H.

[Rob Semmeling]

Thanks for that Vince! The date for the one-off event should be October 19-20, 1968, is that correct? Does Martin give any more details about this meeting?

[Allen Brown]

Garden City, Kansas Airport runways not used, just the roads of what had once been living quarters area

Phil, do you have a circuit map of Garden City or anything that might pinpoint where it was? The track was opened in October 1962 with the support of Garden City Shrine and was described in late 1963 as "Shrine Raceway Track", "ten miles east of Garden City, just east of the Municipal Airport". The SCCA listed it as a 1.86-mile track and a SCCA National was held there as late as 1966.

I can't see anything on Google Maps that looks like the remnants of a race track. Can you give me any more clues?

[etceterini.com]

Phil: Thanks for your great input
And then there was Longview, where the Texas Region held its Roundup Races on May 1, 1960. A 2.88-mile track was laid out at Gregg County Airport and Jim Hall's Birdcage won the Feature over Hap Sharp's Cooper/Maserati. The location turned out to be unpopular because of the gravelly track surface and frequent interruptions by air traffic. The Region soon found an alternative in nearby Green Valley.


all research: Willem Oosthoek

I have just found today an old scan of an ariticle on the Longview race with results:





cliff reuter

[pdgodwin99]

Phil, do you have a circuit map of Garden City or anything that might pinpoint where it was? The track was opened in October 1962 with the support of Garden City Shrine and was described in late 1963 as "Shrine Raceway Track", "ten miles east of Garden City, just east of the Municipal Airport". The SCCA listed it as a 1.86-mile track and a SCCA National was held there as late as 1966.

I can't see anything on Google Maps that looks like the remnants of a race track. Can you give me any more clues?

Allan, I'm sorry I don't have anything which shows the track layout. I suspect most of the roads have been plowed under and replaced with new, like the runways on the airport apparently have. The original track was narrow two lane asphalt and it began breaking up the first year we ran there. In fact they had to patch several turns where the bigger cars tore out large chunks of pavement creating instant potholes. As I recall the only part of the track added for us was a couple of short sections and a hairpin. The configuration was pretty much standard street course with right angle turns connected by straight sections. I do seem to remember a dogleg leading onto the pit straight. There were remnants of concrete foundation pads, which came in handy one year when it rained heavily and turned the pits into a quagmire.
All-in-all not a great course, but the people of Garden City were first class and treated us like visiting royalty.

Phil

[Aero426]

The old Lynndale Farms (Pewaukee Wisconsin) tech barn was repainted a nice gray years ago, but the 1964 vintage advertisement is slowly coming back with the passage of time. I took this photo today.

Edited by Aero426, 06 October 2011 - 20:59.

[E1pix]

Aero, that is fantastic. If they try to paint it again, please stop them.

I well recall that barn though I was 7 when the track closed. Very nostalgic, and Thanks for posting it. That's enough to get me for a look next time I go "home" to Oconomowoc (and maybe why they painted it ).

[Aero426]

Here is the barn before the new wore off. This is from a SCCA National in 1964.

[E1pix]

Oh, My, that sure brings back memories, awesome. Thanks! Putting that against the new shot is really something.

Are the grid spots still on the subdivision pavement, or paved over? [assuming the latter by now!]

Is there a story behind the photo?

Surely you know of the Meadowdale book.... Pretty incredible anyone would do a book about that wonderful circuit 40-odd years later. I'll never forget the Monza Wall:
http://www.aleopubli...eadowdale_.html

[Aero426]

The grid spots are long gone. But there are a couple of remnants of the circuit remaining. There is a concrete foundation for a spectator bridge and also a 1/8 mile section of original pavement that terminates on each end. It's in a section of land that was dedicated for park or rec use when the subdivision was built. As you know, a lot of the track layout was used for the streets of the subdivision, so you can still drive part of the circuit. I'm sure that most locals who reside there have no idea...

The gentleman in the photo was a South Bend Region member. He and his brother often did tech at Road America in those days. He told me about driving to RA in those days on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago and taking the two lanes once into Wisconsin. It must have been a slow go.

The Meadowdale book came out very nice, and I also recommend it.

Edited by Aero426, 07 October 2011 - 14:08.

[E1pix]

Thank You, Aero, I appreciate all your info!

[Terry Walker]

From Google Map comes these three images of Lynndale:

[Graham Clayton]

I have a couple of operatives - including a CART diehard who lives about 3 blocks away - ready to check out ARP.

As for other tracks for Pete to document...how about Dillingham Field on Oahu?

TheUnions,

Here is a 1947 aerial photo of Dillingham:

http://hiavps.com/Ai.....047 small.jpg

I presume that the track used the runway plus the loop at the top of the picture?
The track length is listed as

The front cover of the program for the April 1957 Hawaii International Sports Car Speed Week:

http://www.progcover...field570421.jpg

Entry list for the May 1958 Hawaii Intrernational Sports Car Week:

http://www.racingspo...1958-05-11e.jpg

A complete list of all races in Hawaii:

http://www.racingspo...ive/Hawaii.html

Were all of these held at Dillingham Field?

[Aero426]

Lynndale Farms SCCA National poster 8/64

[E1pix]

Aero, that is awesome.... and I was probably at that race. The art looks vaguely familiar.

Thanks for another view back to a childhood track.

[Rupertlt1]

I attended the SCCA race at Rattlesnake with my folks. Dad and I were members of the PanAm Region Flagging and Communications Team and worked corners at races in the SW (Tucson, Ft. Sumner, Deming, Bottomless Lakes, Juarez, Midland Airpark, and the Las Cruces Airport). Fortunately we were not working the Rattlesnake races because it was so cold and we could get into the car to warm up. We toured the Chaparral shop on Saturday and one of the things I remember most was the Chevy engines sitting on the shop floor. The driver of an Elva MkVI let me warm up the engine while he attended the Sunday morning drivers' meeting; pretty cool stuff for a 15 year old kid! There was a Chevy engined, pontoon fendered Ferrari Testa Rossa. Does anyone remember who the owner and driver were? It still had the original exhaust which gave it a unique sound.
Mark Stevenson

 

Deming Municipal Airport races, Luna County, New Mexico, Pan American Region of the SCCA, 25-26 May 1963

(first to be held in the area since the 1960 race held in El Paso.)

Race 1, 5 laps — Taylor

Hohlonkamp, AC-Bristol; James

Nechero, Chevrolet Corvette; Pete Ponder,

Lotus 7-1500. 9 entries

Race 2, 5 laps — Juan Jacquez,

Triumph TR-3; Gerry Sanders,

Triumph TR-3; Clyde Sebastian,

Austin Healey Sprite. 6 entries

Race 3, 5 laps — James Moison,

Lotus Jr; Charles McKevitt,

Triumph TR-4; Bill Blatt, Lotus 18.

10 entries

Race 4, 5 laps — Glen Kelty,

Lotus Super 7; Bill Blackburn,

Lotus Super 7; James Nechero,

Corvette. 5 entries

Race 5, 5 laps — Bob Montana,

Cooper Monaco, Joe Starkey,

BMC Sr.; Pete Ponder, Lotus 7-1500.

6 entries

Race 6, 5 laps — Bill Blatt,

Lotus; James Moison, Lotus Jr;

Glen Kelty, Lotus Super 7 

17 entries

Race 7, 5 laps — Bill Obenour,

Triumph TR-4; Paul McGinley,

Triumph TR-3; Neal Genda, MGA-TC.

12 entries

Race 8, 25 laps — Bob Montana,

Cooper Monaco; Bill Blatt, Lotus 18;

Lee Adams, Chevrolet Corvette.

16 entries

Race 9, 25 laps — Charles McKevitt,

Triumph TR-4; Bill Obenour,

Triumph TR-4; Ken Adams,

Austin Healey 3000.

12 entries

Race 10. A Challenge Race —

"No report."

 

Deming Municipal Airport races, New Mexico, regional championship, 26-27 October 1963

Sponsored by Deming Lions Club in co-operation with the Pan American Region of the SCCA.

"Placings in the four 50-mile races held Sunday afternoon follow:"

Race 12

1st Gerald Sanders, Triumph TR3, F-Prod

2nd Don Hill, Triumph TR3, F-Prod

3rd Jack Miller, Fiat 1500, G-Prod

4th John Herbert, Austin Healy Sprite, H-Prod

5th Lewis Russell, Triumph Spitfire, G-Prod

6th Herbert Trotzky, MGA, F-Prod

7th Les Mogge, Abarth 750, H-Prod

8th George Weidner, Triumph TR3, F-Prod

DNF Charles Weaver, Formula V, F/V

Race 13, E-Production

1st Alois Jobst, Porsche

2nd Bill Blackburn, Austin Healey

3rd Bill Obenour, Porsche

4th Louis Werthmuller, Porsche

5th Don Johnson, Porsche

6th Owen Oates, MGA

7th Lynn Stevens, Porsche

8th Claude Gilmore, #51 Porsche

DNF Charles Bruce, Austin Healey; Jack Rowe, Austin Healey

Race 14

1st Glenn Keitz, Lotus S7, B/P

2nd Charles McKevett, TR4, D/P

3rd Norman Steward, TR4, D/P

4th Don McGaffee, TR4, D/P

5th Boyd McLeod, Alfa Spider, D/P

6th Fritz Taylor, AC Bristol, C/P

7th Merrill Kenyon, Alfa, D/M

DNF Ken Haynes, Alfa Veloce, D/P

Race 15

1st Bill Blatt, Lotus 18, Formula Junior

2nd Tracy Bird, Tucson, Arizona, Maserati Type 61, D/M

3rd Jim Moisen, Lotus 18, Formula Junior

4th Joe Starkey, Roswell, N.M., BMC-Jr, Formula Junior

5th Barry Oneto, Cassidy Special, F/M

6th Don Kundick, Elva, G/M

7th Ned Alderman, Lotus 7, G/M

8th John Herbert, Bristol-Chev, C/M

DNF N. R. White, Elva F/Jr; Wayne Jones, Cooper Jr., Formula Junior 

"Next race in the Southwest will be Nov. 2 and 3 when the regional races of the Alamo Region are held in Seguin, Tex."

See: https://forums.autos...p/#entry8208384

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 11 April 2023 - 06:34.

[lcbulldog]

Thanks Rupert.  These were the 2 races Dad and I worked flagging and communications at Deming.

 

May, 1963, Race 2: Gerry Sanders was from El Paso, TX and had a very fast TR3.  He was able to qualify for the ARRC Runoffs despite the PanAm Region being moved to the Southern Pacific Division and racing against the Cal Club hotshoes.

Race 5: Joe Starkey's "BMC Sr." was a rear engined formula junior that was fitted with an Alfa engine and classed in Formula Libre if not at this race then the Alfa was installed soon after.  The next year we saw Starkey and the car was at Ft. Sumner, NM in the spring and the RR suspension failed on our corner.  The car was sold to an Alfa racer named Harry Cecil of El Paso.  Starkey moved on to his Elva Mk.7

Races 7 & 9:  Bill Obenour in a TR4, very rare since he mainly raced a Porsche.

Race 8: Bill Blatt and James Moison raced identical Lotus 18 Formula Juniors. One or both of these guys were from Tucson, AZ. I am pretty sure that this is the race I remember well because Moison is not listed a a finisher.  These two put on a great race with many passes and re-passes until Moison pulled off the track and coasted to a stop at our corner station (corner 2). I walked over to the car and he was yelling something that I really couldn't understand because he still had his helmet on and a bandana across his mouth.  Once they were removed it was clear he was grinning and laughing about how much fun he had been having.  Tracy Bird was entered in his ex-Jack Hinkle Maserati 200S #9, but I don't see him listed.  I also remember Hap Sharp racing his bobtail Cooper Monaco #95.

October, 1963:  Race 13:  Bill Obenour back in his Porsche where he belonged.  

Race 14:  Unfortunately Ken Haynes would later lose his life at a race at Bottomless Lakes State Park in Roswell, NM in 1965 I think it was.

Race 15: Tracy Bird in the beautiful ex-Hinkle Birdcage Maserati.  Bird later would buy Hinkle's Cooper-Ferrari.

The Cassidy Special was a beautiful Borgward powered homebuilt from El Paso.

John Herbert's Bristol-Chevy was actually an Arnolt Bristol-Chevy.  Ron Hunter was entered in a Chevy powered OSCA MT-8(?).

And finally, there was a Lotus 23 entered but I am not 100% sure who was driving.  I think it was Edna Sherman from Colorado. I have a photo but it's too far away and partially hidden behind a stack of tires to see much detail.

 

Thanks for the memories,

Mark

[Rupertlt1]

Deer Park, Spokane, 4 September 1960, 2.75-mile course

First Race

Novices—1. Jim Sturgeon, Trail, B.C., Austin Healey;

2. Carol Michael, Richland, Triumph TR-3;

3. Zelma Moore, Vancouver, B.C., Lotus.

Second Race

Class G—1. Glen Evans, Spokane, MGA;

2. John Hall, Vancouver, B.C., Porsche;

3. Bob McLean, Vancouver, B.C., MGA.

Class H—1. Paul Jaremko, Spokane, A-H Sprite;

2. Mike Proctor, Vancouver, B.C., A-H Sprite;

3. Lester Ludwigson, Kent, A-H Sprite.

Class I—1. Manfred Laubach, Port Coquitlam, B.C., DKW;

2. Lloyd Messersmith, Wenatchee, Morgan;

3. Terry Rosenquist, Spokane, Renault.

Third Race

Class A—1. Starr Calvert, Seattle, Chevrolet Corvette;

Class C—Dave Tatom, Vancouver, B.C., Porsche;

Class D—Ralph Livermore, Alfa Romeo;

Class E—Milt Davis, Porsche; Robert Michael,

Richland, Triumph TR-3;

Class F—Dave Anderson, Spokane, MGA.

Fourth Race

Modifieds—1. Jerry Grant, Seattle, Ferrari;

2. Tom Veness, Renton, Veness Special;

3. Ron Lee, Seattle, Lotus.

Fifth Race

Ladies—1. Carol Michael, Richland, Triumph TR-3;

2. Zelma Moore, Vancouver, B.C., Lotus;

3. Mrs. B. Ray, Austin Healey

Sixth Race

Formula Libre—1. Jerry Grant, Seattle, Ferrari;

2. Stan Burnett, Burnett special;

3. Jim Rattenbury, Porsche special.

The Spokesman-Review, Spokane, Washington, Monday, 5 September 1960

 

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[Rupertlt1]

This thread started by reminiscing about the birdcage Maserati, here driven by Bob Drake:

 

"Drake is no clown. This Spring, he took Joe Lubin’s Birdcage Maserati and put on a fantastic show in a very tough league. Of eight races entered, he won five, failed to finish two and in the eighth was forced back to second in the final laps when the oil fell out of the rear end. The car had changed owners before the eighth event and it changed drivers afterwards. Just for kicks, Drake drove Max Balchowsky’s Old Yaller II in a race in which the new owner-new driver Birdcage was entered. Drake was leading the Saturday event by such a healthy margin that the Birdcage was prudently withdrawn from both that and the Sunday feature."

 

"Drake displays his customary good humor as he wheels the Birdcage Maser to another win at Vaca Valley. That’s a prancing donkey on his crash hat."

Sports Cars Illustrated, January 1961, Pages 42-43

 

Second at Riverside, wins at Palm Springs, Willow Springs (near Rosamond, California), Phoenix, Vaca Valley, Santa Barbara. Car was sold to Stanley C. Sugarman, of Phoenix, Jim Connor, driver.

 

Vaca Valley, 30 April-1 May 1960, California Sports Car Club

Pomona? Santa Maria?

 

Drake seen here at Laguna Seca, in the corkscrew: https://library.revs...una-seca/412751

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 21 April 2023 - 07:53.

[Rupertlt1]

Once upon a time I was a regular reader of the Atlas forums, but several years ago there was a change in its format which dropped me from the e-mailing list.

I stumbled on a comment wondering about a race track in Norman, Oklahoma.

YES, there was one road course on the old Naval base property south of the OU campus (not Westheimer Field).

It was run for one weekend as an SCCA regional race.

I won the first race.

It was an exciting and challenging course, and was fun (for me) to drive.

It was also one of the most dangerous tracks.

If you missed the last turn leading onto the main straight and start-finish line, you were guaranteed to have a bad day. There was a drainage ditch, about four feet deep that crossed under the road about fifty yards after the apex of the turn. If you got off the road you could drive head-on into the ditch at very high speed.

The race was held in ~ 1961.

I think the track was more than two miles long. It used the existing streets of the old U.S. Navy base. I have driven in that area several years ago and I could not figure out where the track was. New development probably changed the layout considerably.

My favorite section of the track was a long, high-speed downhill curve which I could take flat-out in third gear in my Morgan EP. I was able to hold a gentle drift through most of the turn, leading into the above mentioned dog-leg corner. Tommy Allen, a local driver with as much experience as I, said that I scared the hell out of him as he watched me drive through it. My only worry was the ditch exiting the turn, so I felt very confident about my pace there. The gearing of my car was just right for that turn, and I was thoroughly happy with the way it worked.

Tom Newcomer, from KC, was near me throughout the race in a different class (GMod?) and he was much farther behind me each time when I reached the end of the turn, but he had more speed on the straight than I, so we switched places several times.

I will see if I can locate the track from aerials in Map Quest.

Rick Kelly

 

SCCA, Norman, Oklahoma, 31 May 1952
Several members of the Tulsa

organization plan to attend the

SCCA-sponsored Tool Trophy Trials

next Saturday at the old navy prac-

tice landing field between Norman

and Oklahoma City. The day of

racing and precision driving events

will be climaxed by a dinner dance

at the Norman country club Satur-

day night.

The Tulsa Tribune, Sat, 24 May 1952, Page 5

 

This is a puzzle. This reference would indicate a race to the north of Norman.

A secondary source talks of Goldsby to the south. Were both locations used at one time or another?

Ref Carroll Shelby:

https://www.autoweek...first-race-car/

Oklahoma City Fairgrounds.

Norman Petite Prix, SCCA, Kiwanis, Sept 30-Oct 1, 1961: "on the old Navy hospital property" — also described as "South Campus" — "South Base" — 1½ miles circuit. Feature won by Jack Hinkle, Wichita, Maserati birdcage.

Also: Okmulgee, Oklahoma (3 miles north of the city); Stillwater, Oklahoma (Stillwater Municipal Airport).

Ponca City; Davis Field, Muskogee.

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 07 September 2024 - 13:49.

[Ray Bell]

I wonder if Oscar has anything on it yet?

 

If he has your problems will soon be solved...

[WINO]

Some further specifications to Rubert's Oklahoma tracks, for 1961:

 

- Ponca City: road course on public roads around Lake Ponca [1.5 miles]

 

- Norman: road course around the buildings of the recently deactivated Naval Air Center [1.5 miles]

 

- Muskogee: road course on Davis Field [2.4 miles]

[Rupertlt1]

Cabaniss Field, Corpus Christi, TX — airport course

Regionals, 6-7 August 1960

S.C.C.A. Buccaneer National Sports Car Races, 8-9 October 1960

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 12 September 2024 - 07:29.

[WINO]

Both events were hosted by the South Texas Border Region of the SCCA, but had disappointing turnouts, only 34 entries in August and 51 in October 1960.

 

Feature winner in August was Mason O'Keiff [Kurtis/Chevy, chassis SX-2] and in October it was Bill Fuller [D-type/Chevy, chassis 560].

[WINO]

After two sparsely attended events in 1960, Corpus Christi disappeared from the radar in 1961. In 1962 there was another effort, for a regional SCCA event this time. The South Texas Border Region chose not Cabaniss Naval Airfield, but Cuddihy Field, another former Naval Airfield located nearby. Scheduled for October 13-14, 1962, the event is still a mystery. None of the national media covered it. The fact that it fell on the same weekend that the Times GP at Riverside was held, could not have helped attracting any name drivers.

Edited by WINO, 12 September 2024 - 13:55.

[WINO]

At the time I did contact the Corpus Christi library for any reports on the October 1962 event in the local morning and evening papers, but no results. Perhaps Rupert has better luck?

 

Former SCCA official R. David Jones could provide a copy of the program cover, which showed a Birdcage with an official waving the checkered flag. Plus, a description of the track layout, measuring 2.2 miles. No entry list or results. But according to the December 1962 issue of the SCCA magazine Sports Car, it measured 2.9 miles.

[Rupertlt1]

Bryan AFB, Bluebonnet Petite, 25-26 March 1961, course 3.48 miles, winner of the feature Leon Duncan, Dallas, Ferrari 4.9-litre

Bryan AFB, San Jacinto Region SCCA, 14-15 October 1961, winner of the feature Homer Rader, Porsche RS 

Cuddihy Field, Corpus Christi, Texas, South Texas Border Region SCCA, Championship Sports Car Races, 13-14 October 1962, 2.1-mile course — Corpus Christi Caller-Times, Friday, 12 Oct 1962, Page 33

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 14 September 2024 - 06:45.

[WINO]

That March 1961 race event at Bryan AFB can't have attracted a substantial field, since the Sebring 12 Hours were held the same weekend. And who the heck was Leon Duncan? I am well familiar with the Texas drivers, but I have never heard of him. Unless it was Dale Duncan, racing the 4.9 Ferrari owned by Big Jim Hall of Houston, as Dale did at Galveston in September 1962.

 

As for Homer Rader's winning Porsche at Bryan in October 1961, it was an RSK. The prelim went to Harry Washburn in a 550RS, with Rader second.

 

And Rupert, I guess no luck on finding the winner at Corpus Christi in October 1962?

Edited by WINO, 14 September 2024 - 15:39.

[Rupertlt1]

Leon Duncan turns up on the wire service but does not appear anywhere else that I can find. Strange.

Bryan AFB, Bluebonnet Petite, 25-26 March 1961:

"A total of 55 entries were

made through the established

deadline, Wednesday of last

week, with several other drivers

registering Saturday and Sun-

day mornings."

I've looked everywhere for Corpus Christi but no luck.

As you say the event was crowded out of the newspapers by Riverside.

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 15 September 2024 - 07:57.

[WINO]

But how many 4.9 Ferraris could there have been in that part of the US? It must have been Dale Duncan, based on his Galveston appearance the next year and he lived in Dallas at the time. Perhaps his middle name?

[Rupertlt1]

But how many 4.9 Ferraris could there have been in that part of the US? It must have been Dale Duncan, based on his Galveston appearance the next year and he lived in Dallas at the time. Perhaps his middle name?

 

Foyt will be head mechanic for

the Jim Hall team, composed of

a powerful Ferrari 4.9 and a

Maserati 300. Hall and Foyt have

not announced their drivers, but

one of them is expected to be

Leon Duncan, who piloted the big

Ferrari to an overall win at

Bryan March 26.

The Galveston Daily News, Thu, 22 Jun 1961, Page 13

 

Leon Duncan will be at the

wheel of the 12-cylinder dual-igni-

tion Ferrari entered by Jim

Hall of Houston.

The Galveston Daily News, Sat, 1 Jul 1961, Page 3

 

The appearance of Dale Duncan at Galveston, September 1962, is possibly an error?

Hadn't he retired by then? The Galveston Daily News has him down to drive a De Tomaso entered by John Mecom, handled by veteran owner Jim Hall, "jet pilot Dale Duncan at the helm." 

Which reminds me that I was chatting to Carl Smith at the Indy 500, former driver for A. J. Foyt and now with sponsor Arctic Wolf.
He hinted that Enzo Ferrari offered A. J. an F1 contract in 1970 but it was declined on financial grounds.

Maybe he can shed light on the Leon Duncan situation? 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 15 September 2024 - 18:28.

[WINO]

The article referred to Big Jim Hall in Houston, not Young Jim Hall of Dallas. And the Foyt mentioned must have been Tony Foyt, A.J.'s dad, also from Houston. Big Jim's 4.9 Ferrari was entered at Galveston in July 1961, for Dale Duncan. It was chassis 0596, a 410S model. But the car did not show in the results that weekend. When I asked Big Jim's son, Jimmy Hall, why not, he said his dad may have been a no-show, recuperating from a heart attack around that time.

 

One year later, the same combination did show up at Galveston, in September 1962. Dale Duncan ran it under #10. He was a DNF in Race 5 [10 laps] and finished 4th overall [CM1] in the feature Race 9 [15 laps]. I have a photo of Dale in the car, and it showed his familiar helmet with a white visor and two vertical stripes. The photo came from Jimmy Hall. On Saturday Dale and chassis 0596 also did a friendly demonstration run with Herb Stelter's new Kurtis Aguila/Chevy, won by the Kurtis after a close contest.

 

No mention of a Maserati 300S in Big Jim's ownership. I don't think he ever owned one.

 

Finally, Jimmy Hall mentioned that Dale Duncan's very last race came on December 1-2, 1962, at Bryan AFB, in an event staged by the San Jacinto Region of the SCCA. Jimmy said that Dale took chassis 0596 to wins in the prelim and the feature. I doubt he faced strong competition, but I have never been able of find any race reports of that event. Jimmy planned to race his Devin/Chevy that weekend, but his dad did not give him permission. The car had broken its frame in two earlier events.

 

John Mecom's DeTomaso at Galveston in September 1962 was raced by Bob Schroeder. Second oa [FM1] in Race 5, out of the top six in the feature, so likely a DNF.

Edited by WINO, 15 September 2024 - 18:39.

[WINO]

I know little about Dale Duncan's professional life as an airline pilot. But after his divorce, he moved from Kansas City to Texas, first Dallas, then Houston. Is it possible he gained employment with another airline after his move, one that stipulated "No Racing" in his contract? It might explain why he briefly used the name Leon Duncan, to avoid being discovered by his employer.

[Rupertlt1]

January 1957 Dale Duncan flying for Braniff out of Oklahoma City.

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Rupert, one of the events I have never been able to track down was held at Halls, Tennessee, on March 3, 1963, and hosted by the Mid-South Region of the SCCA. The weekend included a driver's school but with at least a Maserati 200SI [ex Bobby Aylward] present, I presume some actual racing was done. Have you ever been able to find any newspaper coverage? This is not the July 21 event, which was a regional and well covered.