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[David M. Kane]

Speed or Fox this Sunday?

[HaydenFan]

It's on Fox at noon.

I'm happy. Not worth another 40 dollars a month for the cable package in my area to get Speed.

[MonzaF1]

Fox and will be Fox for the German Grand Prix as well.

Both grands prix delayed broadcasts - not live and odds are as usual there will be ads when anythng happens.

The loss of the pre-race show [because these delayed broadcasts are 2 hours] is nothing as Will Buxton is a waste of time.

[STIGG]

I'd recommend a paid vpn. In the US for the summer and paying 10 dollars a month. Get live streams of the BBC's coverage and can re-watch on demand Can't stand US tv, never mind F1 coverage!

[genespleen]

It's on Fox at noon.

I'm happy. Not worth another 40 dollars a month for the cable package in my area to get Speed.

I had this issue, dithered about whether it was worth a whole package. Then I called up my local provider and they said they could simply add the Speed Channel all by itself for $5/mo. (five). It was certainly worth that! (And worth a call.)

[alexocfp]

it will be live on sunday in the USA on fox's spanish language sports channel called "fox deportes"

[OfficeLinebacker]

it will be live on sunday in the USA on fox's spanish language sports channel called "fox deportes"

hmm. interesante!

[Watkins74]

I'd recommend a paid vpn. In the US for the summer and paying 10 dollars a month. Get live streams of the BBC's coverage and can re-watch on demand Can't stand US tv, never mind F1 coverage!

Excuse my ignorance, what is a vpn? PM me if it's something shady.

[loki]

hmm. interesante!

Earlier this season I had to better define my F1 schedule for the DVR. It kept recording both the Speed version and the Fox Deportes version.

[Woody3says]

While having the regular Speed crew cover the races on Fox is a good thing, I have to say that I have not watched any Fox covered race this year (nor will I). I can't take all the commercials! DVR still doesn't make up for all the lost race coverage...... I find it on the Internet and watch the Euro coverage usually.

[freya]

Excuse my ignorance, what is a vpn? PM me if it's something shady.

short: a protocol to simulate secure local networks over internet.
long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vpn

[CONOSUR]

Comprehensive US TV scheduling for this w/e:


All programming is on SPEED Channel, except where noted.

If you have cable or satellite, check your programming package to see if you receive FOX Deportes (the Spanish language channel of FOX Sports Net), as they will air the race live with a 1-hour pre-race show.


FRI - JUL 8:

Practice 1
(LIVE streaming here)
5:00 am - 6:30 am E
4:00 am - 5:30 am C
3:00 am - 4:30 am M
2:00 am - 3:30 am P

Practice 2
(LIVE)
9:00 am - 10:40 am E
8:00 am - 9:40 am C
7:00 am - 8:40 am M
6:00 am - 7:40 am P

F1 Debrief (Europe)
(late Fri night/early Sat am)
2:00 am - 3:00 am E
1:00 am - 2:00 am C
12:00 am - 1:00 am M
11:00 pm - 12:00 am P


SAT - JUL 9:

Practice 2
(2nd/final airing) (very late Fri night/very early Sat am)
3:00 am - 4:30 am E
2:00 am - 3:30 am C
1:00 am - 2:30 am M
12:00 am - 1:30 am P

The Grid
4:30 am - 5:00 am E
3:30 am - 4:00 am C
2:30 am - 3:00 am M
1:30 am - 2:00 am P

Practice 3
(LIVE streaming here)
5:00 am - 6:00 am E
4:00 am - 5:00 am C
3:00 am - 4:00 am M
2:00 am - 3:00 am P

F1 Debrief (Europe)
(2nd/final airing)
7:00 am - 8:00 am E
6:00 am - 7:00 am C
5:00 am - 6:00 am M
4:00 am - 5:00 am P

Qualifying
(LIVE)
8:00 am - 9:30 am E
7:00 am - 8:30 am C
6:00 am - 7:30 am M
5:00 am - 6:30 am P


SUN - JUL 10:

The Grid
(late Sat night/early Sun am)
3:00 am - 3:30 am E
2:00 am - 2:30 am C
1:00 am - 1:30 am M
12:00 am - 12:30 am P

Qualifying
(2nd/final airing) (late Sat night/early Sun am)
3:30 am - 5:00 am E
2:30 am - 4:00 am C
1:30 am - 3:00 am M
12:30 am - 2:00 am P

GP2 Races
(Delayed & Edited)
6:00 am - 7:30 am E
5:00 am - 6:30 am C
4:00 am - 5:30 am M
3:00 am - 4:30 am P

Fórmula 1 Previa
(LIVE) (Only on FOX Deportes - Spanish language broadcast - virtually commercial free)
7:00 am - 8:00 am E
6:00 am - 7:00 am C
5:00 am - 6:00 am M
4:00 am - 500 am P

Fórmula 1
(LIVE) (Only on FOX Deportes - Spanish language broadcast - virtually commercial free)
8:00 am - 10:00 am E
7:00 am - 9:00 am C
600 am - 8:00 am M
5:00 am - 7:00 am P

F1 Race
(Delayed, heavily edited & infused with commercials on your local FOX station.)
12:00 pm - 2:00 pm E
11:00 am - 1:00 pm C
10:00 am - 12:00 pm M
9:00 am - 11:00 am P


TUE - JUL 12:

GP2 Race Replay
(2nd/final airing) (late Mon night/early Tue am)
3:00 am - 4:30 am E
2:00 am - 3:30 am C
1:00 am - 2:30 am M
12:00 am - 1:30 am P

F1 Race Replay
(2nd/final airing) (only airing on Speed) (re-edited to include more race and post-race coverage than the FOX version)
12:00 pm - 2:00 pm E
11:00 am - 1:00 pm C
10:00 am - 12:00 pm M
9:00 am - 11:00 am P

Edited by CONOSUR, 10 July 2011 - 14:25.

[OfficeLinebacker]

CONOSUR I think I love you.

[Garagiste]

I'd recommend a paid vpn. In the US for the summer and paying 10 dollars a month. Get live streams of the BBC's coverage and can re-watch on demand Can't stand US tv, never mind F1 coverage!

It's a godsend, iPlayer, See-Saw - hell, even the itv player has something worth watching occasionally!
Live F1 stream however seems to get too choppy to make it watchable, so Speed is actually less annoying.

[bourbon]

O.M.G. I have fox Deportes and had no idea they showed it live. I have been cursing Fox's incursion forever - nearly always delayed! Not that I was, but still...

This is Very sweet...thanks guys, unlike Fox, YOU ROCK!!

Edited by bourbon, 09 July 2011 - 01:00.

[CONOSUR]

I must say, the coverage on Fox Deportes just blows Speed's usual broadcast right out of the water. Only four commercial breaks of about a minute-and-a-half each during the entire race.

The Fox broadcast coming up in a bit is going to suck big time.

I'm just amazed that Fox's largest audience in the US is English-speaking, yet they give us the shittiest coverage, while, at the same time, they provide a very miniscule audience absolutely fabulous coverage. I just don't get it.

[alexocfp]

im pretty sure the fox deportes coverage is also broadcast in latin american countries.

[Collective]

I'd recommend a paid vpn. In the US for the summer and paying 10 dollars a month. Get live streams of the BBC's coverage and can re-watch on demand Can't stand US tv, never mind F1 coverage!

I tried one today (most give a 2 or 3 hour free trial) and it worked like a charm. Not a single lag on the iPlayer, plus got to see the post race coverage on BBC. No ads, good commentary, great post race coverage, did I mention no ads? I'm going to purchase the monthly service (10 bucks) and cancel my cable package tomorrow (I only have it for F1, I can watch the rest on Hulu or Netflix).

Great advice! Thanks!

[Collective]

im pretty sure the fox deportes coverage is also broadcast in latin american countries.

Yes, that's what I used to get in Mexico. That Tano Fassini is a walking F1 encyclopedia. Although I'm sure there were way more commercial breaks than described above (but that could have changed in the last couple of years)

[CONOSUR]

Yes, that's what I used to get in Mexico. That Tano Fassini is a walking F1 encyclopedia. Although I'm sure there were way more commercial breaks than described above (but that could have changed in the last couple of years)

There really were only 4 breaks during the race. I didn't track that stat during the preview. I forgot about Mexico. Still, though, I can't understand why Fox even bothers. Fox had 12 breaks showing 68 total commercials, plus 3 on-screen ads during the race. Their first break came during lap 7 and then came every 2 - 4 laps thereafter, with the exception of one 5-lap break between laps 12 and 17.

[seltaeb]

I'd recommend a paid vpn. In the US for the summer and paying 10 dollars a month. Get live streams of the BBC's coverage and can re-watch on demand Can't stand US tv, never mind F1 coverage!

So if I wanted to do that, would I contact my ISP here in California, or is it paid directly through the BBC?

[Lotus72b]

There really were only 4 breaks during the race. I didn't track that stat during the preview. I forgot about Mexico. Still, though, I can't understand why Fox even bothers. Fox had 12 breaks showing 68 total commercials, plus 3 on-screen ads during the race. Their first break came during lap 7 and then came every 2 - 4 laps thereafter, with the exception of one 5-lap break between laps 12 and 17.

Well I watch the race online and DC and Brundle was real good. I didn't even bother watch the race Fox. The next Fox race i'm going to watch is Hungary.

[timmy bolt]

So if I wanted to do that, would I contact my ISP here in California, or is it paid directly through the BBC?

Neither, its done through a company. Google is your friend although as always try to make some checks to see if the company is reputable, or get someone to let you know a good one.

Effectively it makes the BBC websites (and all UK websites) think your based in the UK as the vpn routes in through a server in that country. (I think thats how it works, let me know if i'm wrong on that).

Its a little naughty but not illegal (atleast i don't tihnk so!)

Edited by timmy bolt, 10 July 2011 - 20:13.

[seltaeb]

Thanks I would almost move to the UK in order to have their coverage .

[Fastcake]

Neither, its done through a company. Google is your friend although as always try to make some checks to see if the company is reputable, or get someone to let you know a good one.

Effectively it makes the BBC websites (and all UK websites) think your based in the UK as the vpn routes in through a server in that country. (I think thats how it works, let me know if i'm wrong on that).

Its a little naughty but not illegal (atleast i don't tihnk so!)

No it is illegal, although nothing would ever be done about it. Thought I'd be responsible and let you know, naturally I would never recommend people do such things ;)

Edited by Fastcake, 10 July 2011 - 21:36.

[BigCHrome]

Yeah, the amount of commercials on Fox/Speed is ridiculous, by far the most commercials you will ever see for a live event and the worst part is that they repeat the same 5-6 commercials all the time.

[Tenmantaylor]

Yeah, the amount of commercials on Fox/Speed is ridiculous, by far the most commercials you will ever see for a live event and the worst part is that they repeat the same 5-6 commercials all the time.

Havn't seen a GP on US TV but I watched the Superbowl Live for the first time this year and have to disagree with the above comment, there were probably more adverts during the Superbowl than a GP lasts in it's entirety!

[jondoe955]

Maybe it's a good thing. The sport needs more eyes in America. But I sorta enjoy my 'private little' sport, here. I can watch it later, and NEVER have to worry about hearing spoilers. They have great announcers, and Sam Posey is like the god of spoken word!
And on Fox, we get almost the same show - except Sam's prose is replaced by some phoney shill, trying to amp up the excitement. There is no pre-race. It's not on until noon. The worst part is that Bob and the boys are forced to explain the race to newbies. EVERY race.
So I'm not really complaining much - at least it's shown on TV. I doubt if F1 shows are profitable here. They could fill the time with crap shows and draw a bigger audience. They could go the clueless Espn route, and really ruin the show! But isn't this what the Net is for - griping?
(to the non-US crowd - Fox bought out SpeedVision, a great channel that showed a lot of racing series. It still does, but it's more corporate and Nascar now. Most of the GP races are on Speed, but every year it seems more are on Fox. They are likely trying to put all the races on Fox, to establish continuity)

Edited by jondoe955, 19 July 2011 - 14:39.

[bourbon]

Maybe it's a good thing. The sport needs more eyes in America. But I sorta enjoy my 'private little' sport, here. I can watch it later, and NEVER have to worry about hearing spoilers. They have great announcers, and Sam Posey is like the god of spoken word!
And on Fox, we get almost the same show - except Sam's prose is replaced by some phoney shill, trying to amp up the excitement. There is no pre-race. It's not on until noon. The worst part is that Bob and the boys are forced to explain the race to newbies. EVERY race.
So I'm not really complaining much - at least it's shown on TV. I doubt if F1 shows are profitable here. They could fill the time with crap shows and draw a bigger audience. They could go the clueless Espn route, and really ruin the show! But isn't this what the Net is for - griping?
(to the non-US crowd - Fox bought out SpeedVision, a great channel that showed a lot of racing series. It still does, but it's more corporate and Nascar now. Most of the GP races are on Speed, but every year it seems more are on Fox. They are likely trying to put all the races on Fox, to establish continuity)

You have to watch Fox Deportes (spanish) - they show the race live on Sundays during this miserable period when Fox takes over. Way fewer commercials too. Not watching live is not an option.

[crespo]

Yep, Fox Deportes is what I'm forced to watch if the race isn't on Speed (for some reason, we don't get the regular US Fox channel here on our satellite reception). The good thing is you do get to watch more of the actual race since Fox Deportes does a decent coverage job, but when they DO go to commercial, it takes ages to come back.

Also, if you don't speak Spanish, be thankful. The Fox Deportes commentators are plain awful, usually speaking over radio transmissions (they've been much better in that respect lately) and babbling on about Pastor and Sergio (no improvement...).

You have to take the good with the bad, I guess.

[F1_conman]

Maybe it's a good thing. The sport needs more eyes in America. But I sorta enjoy my 'private little' sport, here. I can watch it later, and NEVER have to worry about hearing spoilers. They have great announcers, and Sam Posey is like the god of spoken word!
And on Fox, we get almost the same show - except Sam's prose is replaced by some phoney shill, trying to amp up the excitement. There is no pre-race. It's not on until noon. The worst part is that Bob and the boys are forced to explain the race to newbies. EVERY race.
So I'm not really complaining much - at least it's shown on TV. I doubt if F1 shows are profitable here. They could fill the time with crap shows and draw a bigger audience. They could go the clueless Espn route, and really ruin the show! But isn't this what the Net is for - griping?
(to the non-US crowd - Fox bought out SpeedVision, a great channel that showed a lot of racing series. It still does, but it's more corporate and Nascar now. Most of the GP races are on Speed, but every year it seems more are on Fox. They are likely trying to put all the races on Fox, to establish continuity)

And I like that the races on Fox are in HD (Siliverstone was a treat)

Edited by F1_conman, 19 July 2011 - 14:57.

[Ensign]

Maybe it's a good thing. The sport needs more eyes in America.

Then it's unfortunate they chose to show the annual parade in Valencia on Fox. You can bet anyone checking out F1 for the first time during that race will never watch another as long as they live.

[ForeverF1]

Then it's unfortunate they chose to show the annual parade in Valencia on Fox. You can bet anyone checking out F1 for the first time during that race will never watch another as long as they live.

Which begs the question, was that by accident or design?

[BigCHrome]

If they want it to pick up popularity they need to cut down on the damn commercials. Less than 10 minutes between commercials for a continuous event is beyond ridiculous.

But I read somewhere that F1 in the US isn't picking up steam at all and that even the horrible Grand-Am endurance series gets more viewers.

[PunterKlopsko]

If they want it to pick up popularity they need to cut down on the damn commercials. Less than 10 minutes between commercials for a continuous event is beyond ridiculous.

But I read somewhere that F1 in the US isn't picking up steam at all and that even the horrible Grand-Am endurance series gets more viewers.

The commercials are an abomination. I'm an American, and an avid F1 fan and longtime viewer (well over a decade). It is physically painful to watch on Fox - the commercials are just too much. The dumbed-down commentary I can live with, almost understand due to the desire to capture a larger audience - but the commercials are such a turn-off I just dread the Fox-broadcasted races. I don't understand how they can possibly hope to attract new viewers with a 2+ minute commercial every 3 laps.

[David M. Kane]

Grand Am is intense and fun. FOX has more viewers and that is good.

[T-Mobile]

You have to watch Fox Deportes (spanish) - they show the race live on Sundays during this miserable period when Fox takes over. Way fewer commercials too. Not watching live is not an option.

Yup, that's how I feel.

We all know the reasons this is bad, but it's almost like an insult when we miss the first lap in Montreal (even though it was behind the SC) due to some infomercial for a modern corset for women. Yes I am serious, it went from that infomercial to lap 2 of the GP. This at a race that is in the local territory.

As painful as hunting down the streams can be I'll do it everytime I can't get the race live. I do have to look into this FOX Deportes channel though...

Edited by T-Mobile, 19 July 2011 - 16:37.

[917k]

If they want it to pick up popularity they need to cut down on the damn commercials. Less than 10 minutes between commercials for a continuous event is beyond ridiculous.

But I read somewhere that F1 in the US isn't picking up steam at all and that even the horrible Grand-Am endurance series gets more viewers.

F1 gets network ratings equal to Indycar. It's more a reflection of the sorry state of OW in the US than any actual increase or decrease in interest.

[Red17]

Well, im not familiar with how US TV works, but if FOX reaches more homes than Speed then it's great news for the sport (and for Bernie, the old man has been trying for years to bait a big name into F1 coverage in the US, but I suspect he was more fond of another name ending in «BC» or «SN»).

The million dollar question is how it will be done. From your posts it seems to be really awfull, that could be a bad thing, if FOX are serious they need to raise their quality.

And hopefully FOX will not somethign stupid like trying to pitch F1 against Nascar.

[GVera]

Yep, Fox Deportes is what I'm forced to watch if the race isn't on Speed (for some reason, we don't get the regular US Fox channel here on our satellite reception). The good thing is you do get to watch more of the actual race since Fox Deportes does a decent coverage job, but when they DO go to commercial, it takes ages to come back.

Also, if you don't speak Spanish, be thankful. The Fox Deportes commentators are plain awful, usually speaking over radio transmissions (they've been much better in that respect lately) and babbling on about Pastor and Sergio (no improvement...).

You have to take the good with the bad, I guess.

+1

I agree the commentators are awful, they know a lot about F1 history but when they speak about the race they usually get it all wrong.

I remember when refuelling was allowed, after the last pit stops were done and everybody was running till the end, 'tano' Fazzini (¿spelling?) ALWAYS mentioned that driver X that had stopped earlier was running faster that driver Y because this last one had just stopped and was therefore running heavier!!!! (maybe they fill the tank just in case fuel price rises?)

[snakepliskin]

As an American F1 fan, I can see both sides of this argument. However, I do personally feel that if Fox is going to air the races tape delayed, they should also air them live on Speed. I am sure that these are two completely different audiences and the casual Fox race viewer is likely to not even know that the race was already run hours ago and was aired on Speed at 7am that same day...

One of my simple life pleasures is getting up early on Sunday morning before the wife and kids, enjoying my coffee and watching the F1 race from some magical city in a far away place...

Also, I believe that the reason they show Valencia is because it is the "European Grand Prix" and they may feel it is representative of the sport. When they likely signed the contract with F1, the European Grand Prix was held in Italy, if I recall correctly.

Just a quick note for the non US folks concerning FOX and Speed, Fox is a US broadcast network (signal is sent over the airwaves) and Speed is a cable network in which you need a cable or sat service to receive. Additionally, on my DTV (Satellite system), Fox is located on channel 5 while Speed is found on 675, so you can really see potential to reach many more casual viewers on the Fox broadcast feed.

And just to stimulate added discussion, I have read on a few online publications that News Corp is potentially trying to purchase F1 in some form or fashion - News Corp is the parent of Fox and Speed.

Last, but not least when the races are not shown live, I have been able to locate a live web stream from French TV - I think think Jacques Laffite is one of the commentators. I view these races on my iPad and it is really quite cool.

Cheers,

Snake

[Ensign]

I believe that the reason they show Valencia is because it is the "European Grand Prix" and they may feel it is representative of the sport. When they likely signed the contract with F1, the European Grand Prix was held in Italy, if I recall correctly.

I don't think that's the case. I've lived in Canada (ie we get US TV) since just before the start of the 2002 season and from that year F1 has had races on a network quite a number of those years. They almost always have the races from about Monaco or Canada until Germany or Hungary in July so I think it's really all about having sport to show during a slow time of the year. That said there may have been a couple of years when they showed broke it up - 2 races in June then 2 more in August/September.

I believe 2002 was the first year BE did such deals with a US OTA network. It was on ABC and I remember BE being interviewed by Danny Sullivan before the Monaco GP about the Red Bull project which was shown right after the Indy 500 and IIRC got a 2 Nielsen rating. In the years since then I've never seen a rating that high again for an F1 race - though I haven't paid particularly close attention.

I remember the Nurburgring was a 'European' GP back in the Schumacher heydays but I don't recall Imola in Italy having that designation. It was usually, perhaps always, the San Marino GP.

Edited by Ensign, 19 July 2011 - 17:56.

[T-Mobile]

Why the race can't also be aired live on SPEED is a mystery. As snakepliskin (I love MGS ) pointed out, two completely different audiences. One doesn't know the race isn't live, the other one gets up at the early hours of the morning to watch free practice. I'm sure Varsha and company feel ashamed.

Just as we finally received HD broadcasts this year it will probably be some time before we have a legal alternative to FOX.

And I'm pretty sure FOX/SPEED just picks a block of races in the summer to show in sequence.

Edited by T-Mobile, 19 July 2011 - 21:52.

[eimin]

+1

I agree the commentators are awful, they know a lot about F1 history but when they speak about the race they usually get it all wrong.

I remember when refuelling was allowed, after the last pit stops were done and everybody was running till the end, 'tano' Fazzini (¿spelling?) ALWAYS mentioned that driver X that had stopped earlier was running faster that driver Y because this last one had just stopped and was therefore running heavier!!!! (maybe they fill the tank just in case fuel price rises?)

I live in Argentina and we have now Fox Deportes HD..no commercials at all.. thats covers all the bad comments..
btw i cant belive that a person that make journalism a way of life can not recognize a single driver just watching his helmet...
years ago i use to watch Globo TV (really accurate comments) but now its no longer available on my cable company..

[loki]

According to Sports Media Watch the Canadian GP on Fox was up this year, .8 rating, approx 1.2 million viewers, up 28% in viewership from last year. On Speed it's only a few hundred thousand watching, if that.

http://www.sportsmed...ula-1-pga-tour/

[Jejking]

I'm sure their ratings would go through the roof if they continue like this

[Afterburner]

And I'm pretty sure FOX/SPEED just picks a block of races in the summer to show in sequence.

To the best of my knowledge, since the races have moved to Fox, the series of races shown on Fox always starts with the Canadian GP, perhaps due to it being a "local" race.

Thankfully, the German GP is the last one that will be on Fox this year. At least we keep the Speed commentary team while the races are on Fox, unlike how it used to be when they would put a few races on CBS... terrible coverage, that was.

[Bunchies]

Most of the GP races are on Speed, but every year it seems more are on Fox. They are likely trying to put all the races on Fox, to establish continuity

Oh cmon, it seems like you've been watching F1 for a while, so you should know that the GPs on fox are always the same ones every year. They start at the Canadian Grand Prix, and Fox gets 4 races in a row before the broadcasting switches back to Speed.

[Buttoneer]

I have merged a couple of Fox TV coverage threads here in order to keep discussion of the coverage in one place as it is with the BBC coverage.

If anyone has an issue with that, please PM me.

[GVera]

I live in Argentina and we have now Fox Deportes HD..no commercials at all.. thats covers all the bad comments..
btw i cant belive that a person that make journalism a way of life can not recognize a single driver just watching his helmet...
years ago i use to watch Globo TV (really accurate comments) but now its no longer available on my cable company..

I live in Uruguay and watch Fox HD also, but the comments are awful. If I can snatch a feed I watch it listening to BBC comments on the PC and the TV's sound off.....