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[TheBunk]

So, race 11 and Lewis did not get away completly innocent and had the stewards look at him once again and gave him a drive through penalty. Possibly he threw away a win, or at least a podium. The question: is Lewis Hamilton overrated? Quick and talented no doubt, but he seems to lack a bit of cleverness to drivers like Vettel and Alonso or Button, who won today with his trademark use of brains.

[KavB]

No.

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

I think he is the most naturally gifted and the fastest out there.

However, I believe Alonso is the complete package.

[mursuka80]

No. He is not TDG, but he is one of the best of his era. This thread will end in tears.

[P123]

This is a classic troll thread.

Perhaps you should be asking 'Is Button underrated'?

[Grenada]

No, Lewis is underrated.

[Watkins74]

Depends how you rate him.

[BRK]

I don't think so, not anymore. He was when he was new to F1 in 2007 and probably also in 2008, things have changed since then and he has proven himself time and time again. There were even some fans of admitting his career is a bit like JV's at the moment, I don't sense excessive hype these days. So no.

[KavB]

How can he be underrated if he's generally regarded as one of the top two drivers on the grid.

[ImDDAA]

Haha, The Bunk, constantly thinking about Lewis. He's a handsome chap, I admit, but you need to move on, find another guy.

[toroRosso]

overated by whom? whats this about? he was the deserving winner of that gp in terms of everything that was up to him.

[akace]

Ridiculous thread

[Alarcon]

I think this thread, as the thread of "is Alonso over-rated?" is simply STUPID. Both drivers, like Seb (and Schumacher, of course) are best drivers of the last 30 years and at the end they will be the on the best drivers ever.

I´m glad to live F1 this time.

[flyer121]

He is not underrated ,,, so i will go fr overrated

[Frank Tuesday]

Some people overrate him, others underrate him, and most rate him correctly. The same is true for every top driver. You have a group of irrational, extreme fans who think he is the greatest ever, and a group of irrational, extreme fans of other drivers who think he is complete and utter crap. The majority of people are able to see both his talents and his flaws and recognize that he is an imperfect, but excellent driver.

[Kvothe]

Mods surely there is already a thread like this?

[Augurk]

In general: no. By some: yes.

[HJS]

no!
not as good as Vettel but still great

[Sukhoi]

No , Bunk.. didn't you started watching F1 in 2010 ? ... these topics are ridiculus , incase you dont , download 2007/2008 season

Edited by Sukhoi, 31 July 2011 - 15:08.

[micktosin]

This thread has troll written all over it.

[Sausage]

Depends on who judges him. If some fanboy is claiming he's god then yes he is. If a hater is claiming he's the worst driver since Nur Ali then he's not.

As for mistakes, fast drivers sometimes go over the extreme limits they use. It's like a tight line they can run that most drivers can't, but of course it goes wrong at times.

[YellowHelmet]

it depends how some look at lewis:

if someone thinks that lewis is one of the best of his generation: he/she is right.

if someone thinks that lewis is the best ever (or the best at everything):he/she is overrating him.

[f1fastestlap]

Oh look who started the silly thread, that was expected...

[TRF]

So, race 11 and Lewis did not get away completly innocent and had the stewards look at him once again and gave him a drive through penalty. Possibly he threw away a win, or at least a podium. The question: is Lewis Hamilton overrated? Quick and talented no doubt, but he seems to lack a bit of cleverness to drivers like Vettel and Alonso or Button, who won today with his trademark use of brains.

No more overrated than SV.

Edited by TRF, 31 July 2011 - 15:10.

[onewingedangel]

He's not over rated - he's certainly not the driving god some of his most ardent supporters make him out to be, he is human and makes occasional mistakes but he is undoubtedly one of the top two drivers - I'd rate Alonso as a little more complete, but Hamilton a little quicker.

Another few years with Button though and Hamilton may become untouchable.

[bourbon]

I don't understand the "one race conclusionary" idea. A driver wins, they are the greatest of all time. They lose, they need to hang up their racing boots, lol. Everyone has tough days at the track, especially in tricky conditions or when struggling with their car - or in rarer cases, when something is off with the driver (flu, etc). So the race by race conclusions are rather off beat in my opinion. Hamilton is a top driver and that doesn't change because of a good or bad Sunday. As I think comparisons are pretty nil, I don't think it is possible to over and under rate drivers. Sure they all get over and under hyped at times, but we should all be used to that these days - gossip tv, websites, headlines and the like are a big business - make that a ginormic ™ business.

Edited by bourbon, 31 July 2011 - 15:11.

[Tauhid]

If you saw the race as I saw it, you could only see his one and only mistake which was the spin whereas all the top drivers (Vettel, Webber, Alonso and even Button) were sliding off the track and running wide quite a lot. His overtakes have been drop dead brilliant and I know many of you claim Alonso is a more complete driver, I don't think Hamilton is far off. But he just doesn't have the knowledge or idea of racing strategies. He is a much faster driver and I say that because over the years, I haven't seen any other driver pushing as much as Lewis does.

He is neither underrated or overrated. Lewis and Alonso are the best two F1 drivers out there. Alonso for his calm mind, brilliant pace and also because of his cunning attitude. Lewis for his sheer pace, great overtaking skills and his die-hard attitude of never giving up.

[BigCHrome]

He is horrible.

[sushantf1]

He probably overrates himself

[TeamMacca]

Oh my god, what are you on about, why do we have to create joke threads like this that clog up the forum.

He us with Alonso the best on the grid.

once again, what a joke thread!

[abc02]

27 posts in 10 minutes. Heh, nice troll thread OP.

Edit: make that 30.

Edited by abc02, 31 July 2011 - 15:11.

[NJF]

He so, so clearly out-maneuvered Vettel in the opening laps. They say the rain is the natural equaliser of motorsport, and the McLaren guys made him and Alonso look like amateur karters.

He did have a spin, he was the first to the ripple strip after the rain started again though. Even though he got a drive through, I think he deserves a podium, because the car control he displayed today was epic.

And I'm a webber fan.

[velgajski1]

So, race 11 and Lewis did not get away completly innocent and had the stewards look at him once again and gave him a drive through penalty. Possibly he threw away a win, or at least a podium. The question: is Lewis Hamilton overrated? Quick and talented no doubt, but he seems to lack a bit of cleverness to drivers like Vettel and Alonso or Button, who won today with his trademark use of brains.

Overrated by his fanboys, not overrated in general, one of top 3 in F1 atm.

[harrows]

So, race 11 and Lewis did not get away completly innocent and had the stewards look at him once again and gave him a drive through penalty. Possibly he threw away a win, or at least a podium. The question: is Lewis Hamilton overrated? Quick and talented no doubt, but he seems to lack a bit of cleverness to drivers like Vettel and Alonso or Button, who won today with his trademark use of brains.

With regards to your 'stewards' comment, I fully agree:

Australia 2011- impeding a driver in qualy
Malaysia 2011 - weaving again
Spain 2011 - ignoring yellow flags
Monaco 2011 - cutting corner
Monaco 2011 - two collisions
Canada 2011 - two more collisions
Canada 2011 - speed limit infraction
Canada 2011 - dangerous conduct and parking
Britain 2011 - dangerous use of DRS in wet
Britain 2011 - another collision
Hungary 2011 - drive through after dangerous driving

On that basis, Hamilton is having a poor season indeed.

Edited by harrows, 31 July 2011 - 15:14.

[Cenotaph]

Hamilton is a great driver, but has his flaws. Same for Vettel, same for Alonso, some arguably more flawed other less, different strong points, different weak points. If he is overrated depends on how you see him being rated? I'd say he might be overrated by those who view him as the best driver by far, those who think he is on the best drivers in F1 are spot on though.

[sosidge]

Lewis has serious flaws.

His pace is not in question, but his judgement is.

[Bonaventura]

yes , I think so
I once heared him sing, he is not bad
but there are better singers out there.

[Muppetmad]

Quick and talented no doubt, but he seems to lack a bit of cleverness to drivers like Vettel and Alonso or Button, who won today with his trademark use of brains.

What, like at 2009 Australia when he took out Kubica when he ought to have let him go as he was on better tyres, 2009 Italy when he drove Kubica clean off the course when he tried to overtake him as a knee-jerk reaction (and ironically still lost the place), 2010 Turkey when he took out Webber when he could easily have backed off and attacked when there was a better chance, or even today when he drove Hamilton onto the white line and grass (whilst wet) when he tried to overtake him?

Most moves come off well, but some don't. Each and every driver will have a list of errors they've made in their career - let's not pretend that any of the top runners are significantly smarter than the others.

[Bruce]

Only by his more ardent fans....

[Bonaventura]

Lewis has serious flaws.

His pace is not in question, but his judgement is.

How?

The team made the tyre calls, as Lewis radio was not working
Button confirmed the team made his calls, too.

[ensign14]

what was in germany

Remember you're dealing with harrows, who thinks that Hamilton using DRS is cheating.

[sosidge]

How?

The team made the tyre calls, as Lewis radio was not working
Button confirmed the team made his calls, too.

What about doing a spin turn into oncoming traffic. What kind of judgement is that?

Not that there is any point in trying to debate Lewis' mistakes with you...

[repeatoffender]

One of the most overrated drivers ever!

As it is all British drivers are hyped by the dominant British media... but LH is way overrated, maybe he is the best that Britain could ever produce. He talks more than he drives, while as JB is a silent achiever!

[MonzaF1]

Hamilton is overrated.

He is brilliant at overtaking and racing - but he cannot drive a race when patience abd finesse is required. It is this that separates him from being a great driver. In fact the only driver that has shown succh ability is Alonso.

[Rakaman]

How can he be underrated if he's generally regarded as one of the top two drivers on the grid.

This.

I'm a pretty big Hamilton fan, but it's not like I expect him to walk on water. The weather threw them a curve ball and they found themselves with the wrong strategy. It doesn't really say anything whatsoever about Hamilton's driving ability. Besides, he did stop six times (five pits, one through IIRC) and still came up 4. That's something.

[MonzaF1]

One of the most overrated drivers ever!

As it is all British drivers are hyped by the dominant British media... but LH is way overrated, maybe he is the best that Britain could ever produce. He talks more than he drives, while as JB is a silent achiever!

Maybe when Hamilto can win more than one or even two world titles, or beats Nigel Mansell's record GP wins or can dominate in the way that Nigel did he may be considered amongst Britains greats - but as far as the greatest ever - that is something he is not likely to achieve because he has too many flaws and makes mistakes at this stage of his career that the greatest would never.

He is the most HYPED driver in history that for sure - and the problem is I think that Hamilton is belieivng his own press.

[KavB]

Screw a driver who is currently the biggest brand outside of the sport? (Apart from Schumacher I guess). Why would they want to kill Hamilton's chances, and his image and prevent new fans from joining the sport. It makes no sense.

[Gilles4Ever]

Posts deleted, please keep to the topic - Lewis Hamilton

[jerriy]

So, race 11 and Lewis did not get away completly innocent and had the stewards look at him once again

No, in fact I'm inclined to believe that the only reason Hamilton gets contrived penaltis is PRECISELY IN ORDER to manufacture this imaginary fictitious world where others are better drivers.

They know he's unbeatable on the grid so they are trying to beat him in the back-rooms and offices.

Kind of reminds me of how Montoya humiliated Schumacher and suddenly lots of VIPs were outraged and started a psychological war against JPM and then eventually they succeeded in hounding him off to NASCAR.

The stewards are crooked. They have a vested interest to preserve and prolong their records against future stars. They dont' like it when an ace like Hamilton threatens and undermines them.

It is a travesty that former drivers like Fltipaldi are allowed to be the judges of their replacers. It is fundamentally corrupt. Ridiculous. It's like making Maradona the decider of how many of Ronaldo's goals should count.

[Bruce]

No, in fact I'm inclined to believe that the only reason Hamilton gets contrived penaltis is PRECISELY IN ORDER to manufacture a fictitious world where other teams are better.

He was beaten by his team-mate today - other teams? What are youtalking about?

The stewards are crooked. They have a vested interest to preserve and prolong their records against future stars. They dont' like it when an ace like Hamilton threatens and undermines them.

But isn't hamilton a star and a future star? Man, talk aboubt a persecution complex.... are you the guy who advised Lew after Monaco?????