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Are drivers allowed to bet on other drivers?

Started by AvranaKern , Sep 23 2011 08:45

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#1 AvranaKern

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:45

From the excerpt of Thursday press conference:

TG: I have my money on him [Vettel] to win the championship this weekend so he has to push for it.
NR: How much did you put on him?
TG: I'm not telling you!
NR: I heard 20,000, is that true?
TG: Not really, no.

and:

Keith Collentine: OK I’ve just had an email back from Virgin confirming Glock wasn’t joking, he has made a bet.

Is this OK for you drivers betting on other drivers?

#2 wingwalker

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:02

Wow, for real? It's absolutely NOT OK for a driver (or any other sportsman) to bet on a result that can be influenced by him.

#3 Fastcake

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:04

An actual bet made with an agency or just a wager with a friend?

#4 AvranaKern

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:05

An actual bet made with an agency or just a wager with a friend?

Well, it seems to be a proper bet. I don't know the details.

Edited by ali.unal, 23 September 2011 - 09:06.

#5 gm914

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:10

http://www.youtube.c...ayer_detailpage

"Is that Glock!? Is that Glock going slowly!?"

Cha-ching!!

#6 Andrew Hope

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:13

Surprised he admitted to that, and that Virgin confirmed it.

#7 Blackmadonna

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:30

http://www.youtube.c...ayer_detailpage

"Is that Glock!? Is that Glock going slowly!?"

Cha-ching!!

'with a little help from your friend'.....maybe he had a bet running.

#8 BRK

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:39

Did he also have money on Hamilton winning in 2008?

Not like there's anything he can do this time around......in a Virgin.

Just a bit of fun, I guess.

#9 sopa

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 10:09

So this means especially Alonso, who is Vettel's closest rival in points, will find Glock particularly hard to lap this weekend. :lol:

Edited by sopa, 23 September 2011 - 10:10.

#10 King Six

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 10:15

Depends on who he made the bet with, it can't be something proper. Probably with some other rich bastard!

#11 Lights

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 11:44

Not like there's anything he can do this time around......in a Virgin.

He can do anything in a Virgin, including taking out Alonso while being lapped and then claiming he didn't see him.

#12 AvranaKern

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 11:51

He can do anything in a Virgin, including taking out Alonso while being lapped and then claiming he didn't see him.

It's a bit far fetched but still, there is a possibility for it to happen.

For a person who have that possibility to alter the outcome of an event, it's highly unethical for that person to make money out of that outcome.

#13 AvranaKern

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 11:58

The session's other main incident was a collision between Webber and Timo Glock. Contact was made as the Red Bull tried to pass the Virgin into the penultimate corner, smashing a chunk from Webber's front wing and leaving Glock with a puncture.

Aha! Glock's agenda: Webber. Check. :rotfl:

#14 Taxi

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 12:48

He should not do any bets. Co´s that could influence is behavior on track, make other drivers his enemies and have the media scrutinize every move he makes.

The only bet a sportsman could do IMO is betting on a win of his own.

#15 apoka

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 13:02

The only bet a sportsman could do IMO is betting on a win of his own.

Even that could be dangerous in some sports. Imagine Usain Bolt doing a slow (seemingly out-of-shape) 100 meter run just to put a huge sum on himself on the subsequent start.

In general, I think such actions are in many countries only punishable if you manipulate/influence the outcome of a bet.

#16 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 13:13

'with a little help from your friend'.....maybe he had a bet running.

that's not fair, he was on dry tyres in the rain
the only reason he was in front of lewis is the fact that we gambled on staying out on dry but on the last lap rain really came down
nevertheless, glock was some 15 sec behind lewis before the rain and finished just behind him. overall it was a good decision to stay out

I wanted Massa to win the title but that was just racing, nothing unfair

#17 BenettonB192

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 13:17

Isn't that illegal?

#18 Taxi

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 13:33

Scenario:

Fernando Alonso register in a betting site. Then go to the formula 1 section. Pinch in a bet "Will Alonso finnish the race?" yes 1,15 - No 4,75. He bets 200.000 Euros in the "no". In the race he causes an inocent colision. withdraws. Bang. 750.000 euros profit.

Edited by Taxi, 23 September 2011 - 13:33.

#19 AvranaKern

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 13:34

Scenario:

Fernando Alonso register in a betting site. Then go to the formula 1 section. Pinch in a bet "Will Alonso finnish the race?" yes 1,15 - No 4,75. He bets 200.000 Euros in the "no". In the race he causes an inocent colision. withdraws. Bang. 750.000 euros profit.

So you're saying there is no way to police that?

#20 Taxi

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 13:40

So you're saying there is no way to police that?

Sure hope so. But illegal betting happens. And what Glock is doing its near the legality limits I think.

#21 fieraku

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 15:06

Only one page? If this was LH we'd be on #46 now.

Yes it's ok to bet,cheat,lie,sabotage,fix races etc. It wouldn't be F1 without any of those!

#22 Blackmadonna

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 15:12

Only one page? If this was LH we'd be on #46 now.

Yes it's ok to bet,cheat,lie,sabotage,fix races etc. It wouldn't be F1 without any of those!

And if it was Fernando it would be double. Plus the british press being all over it.

It can't be prevented actually, or controlled. Other sports have their betting scandals every other year. Why should F1 be different?

#23 Andy865

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 15:14

Only one page? If this was LH we'd be on #46 now.

Yes it's ok to bet,cheat,lie,sabotage,fix races etc. It wouldn't be F1 without any of those!

That box of mcains oven fried on your shoulder must be getting heavy.

#24 KavB

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 15:24

I remember Webber placed a bet on Kovalainen winning the 2008 British Grand Prix (He looked supreme all weekend and it wasn't a surprise he got pole there) and Mark managed to get 2nd place. I'm sure he would rather have won the race himself than a bet, but then I remembered he spun on the first lap.

I think it shouldn't be allowed, but what would stop any of the drivers from getting their friends to bet on their behalf and split the winnings?

#25 flyer121

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 15:26

That box of mcains oven fried on your shoulder must be getting heavy.

LOL - Or it could be the Casino currency instead !

Edited by flyer121, 23 September 2011 - 15:27.

#26 fieraku

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 15:29

That box of mcains oven fried on your shoulder must be getting heavy.

Have no clue what you mean or what mcains is!

#27 saudoso

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 15:40

Have no clue what you mean or what mcains is!

Prepped, raw, frozen french fries - McDonalds style.

EDIT: Here: http://www.mccain.co...s/Products.aspx

Edited by saudoso, 23 September 2011 - 15:42.

#28 Fastcake

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 16:14

I wouldn't think anyone in person would take the bet, but you can't stop a driver placing a bet online anomalously.

I've always thought F1 drivers wouldn't try to screw each other over by race fixing, the small group of them compared to other top level sports makes a sense of camaraderie among them. Still you never know...

#29 Andrew Hope

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 18:08

Depends on how much it was. If you've got fifty grand riding on a race, even if you're betting for yourself to win the race, that's not really right, but if it's just five hundred or something then it doesn't really matter.

#30 PNSD

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 18:14

Only one page? If this was LH we'd be on #46 now.

Yes it's ok to bet,cheat,lie,sabotage,fix races etc. It wouldn't be F1 without any of those!

Ok, you've mentioned Lewis, you can move along now

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ON TOPIC - This is perfectly acceptable as long as the bet has not been placed with a betting establishment. If it was a bet with say a friend then its acceptable.
Why must Glock's professionallism be bought into this?