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[Stefan Ornerdal]

Has anyone heard about a F2-race (could have been F2000, FLibre, FTasman etc) held somewhere in Japan 1969-1971 in which Jackie Stewart took part? Where, when, who won etc?

Stefan
stefan.ornerdal@minmail.net

[Ray Bell]

Max Stewart was there for the Japan GP in at least one of those years, running a 2-litre Waggott TC4V-powered Mildren... I'll check later if nobody comes up with anything else...

[Stefan Ornerdal]

It was 1971 that Max Stewart along with some more Aussies competed in the Japanese GP, may 5th at Fuji.I am sure Jackie Stewart and some more europeans was there earlier.
I would be glad to have the result of the 1971 race too, I only know that John Surtees won.

[David McKinney]

1970 Japanese GP (F2):
1st Jackie Stewart (Brabham BT30)
2nd Max Stewart (Milden)

[Ray Bell]

Well, it wasn't 1970, Jackie Stewart won that from Max Stewart. Jackie was in a Brabham BT30 FVA, Max in a Mildren Waggott (meaning a Britton-built Brabham replica), Kuniomi Nagamatsu in a Colt F2-D was third, with a lot of retiements, apparently, fourth Alaister Walker (BT23C FVA), Graeme Lawrence in the Ferrari Dino 2.5 fifth, Leo Geoghegan (Lotus 59 Waggott TC4V) sixth, N Kinoshita in a/the Ky Special seventh, T Urushibara (Lotus 41 Honda) eighth, T Motomi (Mitsui Media Group Spl) ninth and Glynn Scott (Bowin P3 FVA) tenth.
Only the two Stewarts finished on the lead lap, with Max 45s behind Jackie, and the rest of the finishers tailed off to many laps behind. How many I don't know, the RCN report doesn't mention the number of laps or the fastest lap.
third and fourth were on 50 laps, Walker on 49, Geoghegan 47, the Ky Spl 43, Urushibara 42, Motomi 41 and Scott 38.
Some of the Japanese cars were also running in classes. The Honda S800 engine was popular in the under 1600 class, while the Colts were works entries.
Leo Geoghegan had won in 1969, Roly Levis being second in a BT23C FVA and Sokei Kato third in a Colt F2C. Scott was fourth, Geoghegan set an outright record of 1:52.69, 120mph.

[Ray Bell]

Sorry David, but your compatriot's entry in the Ferrari scotches the idea of F2. In fact, the larger class was for 1600 to 3000cc.

Sorry, no mention of FJ anywhere.

A note also on the Colt engines, apparently a close copy of the FVA design, not just sohc engines.

[Ray Bell]

Found FJ in the 72 report, logged a win in a Surtees TS10, his regular F2 car but for this race fitted with a 1930cc Hart alloy block 'BDA' (probably BDG, is that not?) and said in this report to be a prototype of a new F2 engine that was to be homologated later in the year.

Tanaka, Fushida and Urashibara followed, all powered by Mitsubishi's new Colt engine, up to 2 litres and fuel injected for a reputed 280hp, and Takahara had been among them until he lost a tyre tread late in the race.

Fifth was Nick Craw, sixth Bob Brown - both in Fred Opert entries, but the cars not named - then Bob Muir in the Mildren Mono with a misfire. Leo Geoghegan retired with timing gear failure while mixing it with Urashibara, Max Stewart spun up a bank.

[Rob29]

These races were either Formula Libre,or some local rules devised by the Japanese. Japan adopted Intl F2(free 2 litr engines) one year early in 1975.Changed to F3000 one year late in 1986.

[sat]

1971 Japan GP
Fuji

1. #3 Kuniomo Nagamatsu - Colt F2 2L
..
3. Tetsu Ikuzawa - Lotus 69-Ford FVC

[Stefan Ornerdal]

Thank you very much, guys.

My Formula 2-website is now updated with this information. If someone has something more to add, I would be very happy.

Stefan
stefan.ornerdal@minmail.net
http://user.tninet.s...1w/F2_Index.htm

[Ray Bell]

Fuller 1971 - over 35 laps, 140 miles - results are (sorry, didn't realise I missed this the other day):
1. K Nagamatsu (Mitsubishi Colt F2000) 1h 04:31.69
2. O Masuko (Mitsubishi Colt F2000) 1h 05:11.5
3. T Ikusawa (Lotus 69 FVC) 1h 05:46.3
4. Graeme Lawrence (Brabham FVC) 1h 04:46.4
5. Leo Geoghegan (Lotus 59 Waggott TC4V) 1h 06:07.2
6. H Kazato (Colt 1600) 1h 06:10.7
7. K Tanaka (Colt 1600) 34 laps
8. John Walker (Elfin 600 Twin Cam 1600) 33 laps
9. Max Stewart (Mildren TC4V) 30 laps

Anyone want details of what happened to the non-finishers and those who should have finished better?

As an aside, there was a race for Formula Junior Sport Cars, with engines up to 360cc, and open wheeler Formula Juniors, too, probably with the same engines, also for sedans, with the GT race dominated by Fairlady 240GTZs (240Zs?) with 4-valve engines in lightweight bodies, these cars unofficially supported by the factory (there was over twenty of them)

[Stefan Ornerdal]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ray Bell


Anyone want details of what happened to the non-finishers and those who should have finished better?

Yes!

Stefan

[Ray Bell]

Of interest at the back of the grid was the entry from A N Other... a Brabham-Datsun. This may have been the car that's mentioned that ran a Datsun 1200 engine...
Other starters who missed a mention due to non-finishing were Malcolm Ramsay in an Elfin 600 TC4V, Bob Muir (Mildren Mono TC4V), Hashya (Brabham 1600), Takamo (Lotus TC), Otokchi ('F3 Brabham TC'), Okubo (F3 Brabham Alfa) and Sakamoto (Lotus).
In practice the Mildren/Stewart mechanic, Glenn Abbey, was run down in the pit lane, suffering a broken leg and stalling work on Stewart's car. For race day the crowd was given as 75,000.
Muir, on a catchup after a half lose on the first lap, had a rear suspension breakage on the banking, was narrowly avoided by Ramsay, who had been involved in the first lap skirmish too...
Stewart was in the thick of things with the Colts which were leading the race, there is talk of dust and small stones flying on the straight and the Colts being too powerful for anyone to really challenge.
Ramsay's Waggott developed a miss and he retired, then Stewart lost all drive (no explanation of what had broken) and coasted to a stop, but was classified (?). Note the closeness of Lawrence and Ikusawa, actually separated by a mere 0.012 seconds.

[fines]

Originally posted by Ray Bell
Well, it wasn't 1970, Jackie Stewart won that from Max Stewart. Jackie was in a Brabham BT30 FVA, Max in a Mildren Waggott (meaning a Britton-built Brabham replica), Kuniomi Nagamatsu in a Colt F2-D was third, with a lot of retiements, apparently, fourth Alaister Walker (BT23C FVA), Graeme Lawrence in the Ferrari Dino 2.5 fifth, Leo Geoghegan (Lotus 59 Waggott TC4V) sixth, N Kinoshita in a/the Ky Special seventh, T Urushibara (Lotus 41 Honda) eighth, T Motomi (Mitsui Media Group Spl) ninth and Glynn Scott (Bowin P3 FVA) tenth.
Only the two Stewarts finished on the lead lap, with Max 45s behind Jackie, and the rest of the finishers tailed off to many laps behind. How many I don't know, the RCN report doesn't mention the number of laps or the fastest lap.
third and fourth were on 50 laps, Walker on 49, Geoghegan 47, the Ky Spl 43, Urushibara 42, Motomi 41 and Scott 38.
Some of the Japanese cars were also running in classes. The Honda S800 engine was popular in the under 1600 class, while the Colts were works entries.
Leo Geoghegan had won in 1969, Roly Levis being second in a BT23C FVA and Sokei Kato third in a Colt F2C. Scott was fourth, Geoghegan set an outright record of 1:52.69, 120mph.

Ray (or, for that matter, anyone else), can you give me the date for these two races (1969/70)?

[fines]

Wait... I just found out myself: Both were on May 3 (apparently a national holiday, since all early Japanese GP were held that day). I'll come back with full results once my Japan project is finished!

[Marcor]

There was an article in Sport-Auto December 1976 about the history of motor racing in Japan written by Shigemi Kanda.

I've translated an extract which should interest you.

Formule libre:
A GP would be even so organised in 1970, under the name of "JAPAN AUTOMOBILE FEDERATION G.P." in Formule libre. In fact It appeared to be F2 with engine-blocks which should not be specially derived from a production-based cars.

Jackie Stewart won the race in a Brabham BT30 entered by John Coombs. Kuniomi Nagamatsu finished third in a Mitsubishi Colt F2-D. Mitsubishi had some experience in the single-seaters and the first Colt F3 was seen in demonstration the day of the third Japanese GP in 1966. The engine was a overturned 4 cylinder - 997 cc - which developed 90 HP and the chassis was multi-tubular inspired by Brabham. Mitsubishi developed afterwards his engine R39 1958 cc which was put in the first Colt F2B. In 1971 the capacity of the engine was increased to 1994 cc. The Colt F-2D with the 2-litre engine R39B-type would win the 1971 Japanese GP with Nagamatsu but the foreign competitions were not so strong as the previous year. In 1972 the Europeans came back in force, John Surtees winning the race in his TS10 with a BDA engine.

1970 J.A.F. GP Fuji, 50 laps, 300 km F libre - F2
1- Jackie Stewart Brabham BT30 Cosworth BDA, 1h 33' 0.99"
2- Max Stewart Mildren Waggot
3- Kuniomi Nagamatsu Mitsubishi Colt F2D
4- Graham Lawrence Ferrari Dino 246
5- Alaister Walker Brabham BT23C FVA, 49 laps
6- Leo Geoghegan Lotus 59 Waggot, 47 laps

Fastest lap- Jackie Stewart

1971 Japan GP Fuji, 35 laps, 210 km F Libre- F2
1- Kuniomi Nagamatsu Colt F2D R39B, 1h 4' 31.69"
2- O. Masuko Colt F2D R39B, 1h 5' 11.58"
3- Tetsu Ikuzawa Lotus 69 FVC, 1h 5' 46.92"
4- Graham Lawrence Brabham BT30 FVC, 1h 5' 47.04"
5- Leo Geoghegan Lotus 59 Waggot, 1h 6' 18.24"
6- Hiroshi Kazato Brabham BT30 Mitsubishi R39B, 1h 6' 18.41"

1972
1- John Surtees Surtees TS10 BDA

1973 Japan GP Fuji, 50 laps of 4.3 km = 215 km, F Libre - F2
1- Motoharu Kurosawa March 722 BMW, 1h 8' 55.15"
2- Brian Robertson Brabham BT40 BDA, 1h 8' 57.89"
3- Graham Lawrence Surtees TS15 BDA, 1h 9' 2.56"
4- H. Tanaka March 732 BMW, 1h 9' 56.78"
5- M. Hall Brabham BT40 BDA, 48 laps
6- Kuniomi Nagamatsu Brabham BT36 Mitsubishi R39BII, 48 laps

1974 Japan GP Suzuka F2
1- Noritake Takahara March 742 BMW, 50'48.4"
2- Masami Kuwashima March 742 BMW, 50'51.9"
3- Kazuyoshi Hoshino Surtees TS16, 52'37.2"
4- F. Kotake March 742, 52'43.5"
5- T. Tsutsumi Brabham BT36, 24 laps
6- Hiroshi Fushida Brabham BT40, 24 laps

1975 Japan GP Fuji 35 laps
1- Masahiro Hasemi March, 51'39.94"
2- Noritake Takahara March, 51' 51.55"
3- Brian Henton March, 51' 56.47"
4- Kuniomi Nagamatsu March, 52'52.67"
5- Hiroshi Fushida, March, 34 laps
6- J. Yoneyama, Surtees, 34 laps

[fines]

This is an intermediate results update for these races, with names added by cross-checking against other sources. Right now work advances slowly, because I'm just a little bit too busy, but once I'm finished I hope to be able to "transcribe" syllables of Japanese names, rather than complete names, so there's still some chance to get the missing ones in the end.

First of all, let's try to clear some confusion over race names. Apparently, the JAF organized a number of Grands Prix each year, and only a few got the 'Japanese Grand Prix' title. According to Mike Lang (Grand Prix!, Vol. 3), these were two sports car races at Suzuka in 1963/4, four sports car races at Fuji between 1966 and 1969 and four F2 races there between 1971 and 1975. Adriano Cimarosti (Autorennen) lists events at Suzuka (1963/4 again) and Fuji (1965, 1967-9 and 1971-3) with winning car, driver and speed, but without specifying formulae. I refer to all other races as 'Fuji Grand Prix' and 'Suzuka Grand Prix', respectively. I hope to get a clearer picture about that all in the future, too.

BTW, I also met an artist, who is hoping to spend half a year or so in Japan later this year, and who's trying to learn some basic Japanese. I browsed through a nice book he's using to that end, and might also follow that route (learning the language, that is!;)).

So here goes, with cross-checked names in small print and guesses in brackets (Position, Number, Driver, Car, Time, Laps):

1969-05-03
Fuji Grand Prix
1, 7, LEO GEOGHEGAN, LOTUS-39-REPCO-V8, 1:17:53.80, 40
2, 2, ROLLO LEVIS, BRABHAM-REPCO-BT23C, 1:19:11.39, 40
3, 23, Sokei Kato, COLT/F2C, 1:17:56.62, 39
4, 3, GLYN SCOTT, BOWIN-P3, 1:19:03.88, 39
5, 24, Osamu Masuko, COLT/F2C, 1:13:43.93, 36
6, 12, (A N Other), Brabham-(Waggott), 1:18:59.24, 36
7, 8, Hiroshi Kazato, ???-(Mitsubishi), 1:19:49.38, 35
8, 10, (B N Other), (Mitsui Media Group)-SPL, 1:18:29.08, 34
9, 1, MAX STEWART, MILDREN-WAGGOTT, 1:19:04.96, 34
10, 14, (C N Other), ???, 1:18:08.29, 31
11, 30, (D N Other), SHIMIZU F-JIROCHO DEL-CHASSIS , 1:18:11.28, 29
12, 19, Shigeaki Asaoka, BELLETT OLIVETTI SPECIAL, 0:56:06.49, 27
13, 17, (E N Other), L0TUS-41, 0:28:14.35, 13
14, 25, Tetsu Ikuzawa, COLT/F2C, 0:26:32.17, 12
15, 6, GARRIE COOPER, ELFIN-600, 0:18:58.40, 9
16, 5, KEVIN BARTLETT, MILDREN-ALFA-V8, 0:06:19.20, 3
17, 9, Jiro Yoneyama, (Brabham) BT16, 0:07:02.82, 3

+ 11 non-starters (?)

Fastest race lap: 1'52.67"

1970-05-03
Fuji Grand Prix
1, 8, JACKIE STEWART, BRABHAM-BT30, 1:33:00.99, 50
2, 6, MAXWELL STEWART, MILDREN-WAGGOTT, ???, 50
3, 14, Kuniomi Nagamatsu, COLT-F2/D, ???, 50
4, 7, GRAEME LAWRENCE, FERRARI-DINO/V6, ???, 50
5, 9, ALISTER WALKER, BRABHAM-BT23C, ???, 49
6, 1, LEO GEOGHEGAN, LOTUS-59, ???, 47
7, 19, N. Kinoshita, KY Special (Mitsubishi), ???, 43
8, 18, Tokomitsu Urushibara, Lotus-41, ???, 42
9, 16, T. Motomi, Mitsui Media Group SPL, ???, 41
10, 2, GLYN SCOTT, BOWIN-P3, ???, 38
11, 23, (A N Other), Brabham, ???, 35
12, 11, Tetsu Ikuzawa, COLT-F2/D, ???, 7
13, 20, (F N Other), Lotus-F/­???, ???, 6
14, 21, (G N Other), DAY&NITE-SPL, ???, 1
(15), 10, TOMMY REID, BRABHAM-BT30, ???, ???
(16), 5, KEVIN BARTLETT, MILDREN-WAGGOTT, ???, ???

+ 3 non-starters (?)

1971-05-03
Japanese Grand Prix
1, 3, Kuniomi Nagamatsu, ColtF2000, 1:04:31.69, 35
2, 5, Osamu Masuko, ColtF2000, 1:05:11.58, 35
3, 6, Tetsu Ikuzawa, LOTUS-69, 1:05:46.92, 35
4, 11, G.LAWRENCE, BRABHAM-REPCO, 1:05:47.04, 35
5, 7, LEO-GEOGHEGAN, LOTUS-59, 1:06:18.24, 35
6, 2, Hiroshi Kazato, ???-(Mitsubishi), 1:06:18.41, 35
7, 1, K. Tanaka, ??? Colt1600, 1:04:39.35, 33
8, 12, JOHN WALKER, ELFIN-600B-FORD, 1:05:35.01, 32
9, 8, MAX STEWART, MILDREN, (retired), 30
10, 20, (H N Other), SEKISUI/QBAN-LOTUS, 1:05:29.96, 30
11, 22, (I N Other), Lotus41(Waggott), 1:05:12.25, 29
12, 19, Tokomitsu Urushibara, Lotus69FVA, 1:04:56.53, 27
13, 15, Riki Okubo, NARU-F2-BRABHAM-CONREREO, 1:05:19.17, 27
14, 17, Masami Kuwashima, ???-Brabham1200, 1:05:20.00, 26
15, 9, MALCOLM RAMSAY, ELFIN-WAGGOTT, (retired), 20
16, 14, (E N Other), (Brabham)BT16 ??? SP, (retired), 17
17, 16, (F N Other), NARU-F3-BRABHAM-LOTUS, 1:05:47.77, 12
18, 10, ROBERT MUIR, IRENNMAX-BN3-WAGGOTT, (retired), 5

+ 3 non-starters (?)

1972-05-03
Japanese Grand Prix
1, 5, JOHN SURTEES, SURTEES-T.S.10, 1:08:37.08, 50
2, 9, Hiromu Tanaka, March-Colt, 1:09:17.27, 50
3, 18, Hiroshi Fushida, ???-???-Colt, 1:09:17.27, 50
4, 10, Tokomitsu Urushibara, Lotus-69-Colt, 1:08:47.68, 49
5, 1, NICK CRAW, CHEVRON-B, 1:09:11.64, 46
6, 2, ROBERT-RYAN BRAWN, CHEVRON-B20, ???, 45
7, 8, ROBERT MUIR, MILDREN-WAGGOTT, ???, 43
8, 12, RIKI OHKUBO, NARU-F3-BRABHAM-ALFA, ???, 43
9, 7, LEO-FRANCIS GEOGHEGAN, ELFIN-WAGGOTT, timing gear, 41
10, 11, Noritake Takahara, (Brabham)-ColtBT36, ???, 38
11, 14, (J N Other), Lotus-F­???, ???, 29
12, 6, MAX STEWART, MILDREN-WAGGOTT, accident, 16
13, 15, Jiro Yoneyama, ???-??? ???, ???, 1

[fines]

Found a note on the English part of the JAF site, stating that the 1st Japan GP was held 1963-05-04, the second 1964-05-03 (both at Suzuka), and the third at "the newly constructed Fuji" 1966-05-03. No more here!


The first Japanese GP, May 4, 1963

[Ray Bell]

Did the field include the new Honda 4-wheel independent Sports Cars, Fines?

You know, the one that had an engine almost twice the domestic size for the export market, the one that was bored right out to 600cc?

[Marcor]

The first Japanese GP was mentioned In the Sport-Auto article.

The first Japanese GP was held at Suzuka in May 1963. The main race of the event was a sports car and GT race and the organisers invited some foreign drivers:
French Pierre Dumay (Ferrari 250 GT), José Rosinski (Aston Martin DB4 Zagato and later working for Sport-Auto) and German baron von Hanstein (Porsche Carrera 2 L) were the cream of the GT competitors.

Peter Warr who at that time managed the Lotus "customers" department had at his disposal a Lotus 23 Cosworth. Two other Lotus 23 were entered by and for Arthur Owen, a British Hill-Climb specialist and Mike Knight.

Francis Francis drove an ex-Ecurie Francorchamps Jaguar D and his mechanic was Gérard Crombac, Editor of Sport Auto.

The three Lotus won the race, Warr ahead of Knight and Owen. In the GT class Pierre Dumay was the winner.

[fines]

Ray, I'm almost totally ignorant of sports cars!

My only info is: 1st Peter Warr, Lotus, 130.05 kph

[Milan Fistonic]

Originally posted by fines
1972-05-03
Japanese Grand Prix
1, 5, JOHN SURTEES, SURTEES-T.S.10, 1:08:37.08, 50
2, 9, Hiromu Tanaka, March-Colt, 1:09:17.27, 50
3, 18, Hiroshi Fushida, ???-???-Colt, 1:09:17.27, 50
4, 10, Tokomitsu Urushibara, Lotus-69-Colt, 1:08:47.68, 49
5, 1, NICK CRAW, CHEVRON-B, 1:09:11.64, 46
6, 2, ROBERT-RYAN BRAWN, CHEVRON-B20, ???, 45
7, 8, ROBERT MUIR, MILDREN-WAGGOTT, ???, 43
8, 12, RIKI OHKUBO, NARU-F3-BRABHAM-ALFA, ???, 43
9, 7, LEO-FRANCIS GEOGHEGAN, ELFIN-WAGGOTT, timing gear, 41
10, 11, Noritake Takahara, (Brabham)-ColtBT36, ???, 38
11, 14, (J N Other), Lotus-F­???, ???, 29
12, 6, MAX STEWART, MILDREN-WAGGOTT, accident, 16
13, 15, Jiro Yoneyama, ???-??? ???, ???, 1

A bit more information from the RCN report of the race.

Tanaka's March is said to be a brand new 722.
Urashibara's Lotus 69 is ex-Ikuzawa
Takahara driving a new Brabham BT36.
Fushida's car is called a "Flying Onward" (actually a Brabham BT30).
A photo of car 15 is captioned thus. The "Heroes Racing Team" car, locally built, but originally a March, looked great on the track, but DNFd when the flywheel broke.
The Nick Craw and Bob Brown cars were owned and entered by Fred Opert.

Practice times.

Surtees 1.20.8
Tanaka 1.21.9
Takahara 1.22.1
Fushida 1.22.24
Stewart 1.22.27
Urashibara 1.22.7
Brown 1.23.46
Geoghegan 1.24.65
Muir 1.25.87 (engine miss)

Grid formation 4-3-4

[fines]

Thnx Milan! Btw, my Japan project is almost done, first results can be seen at http://members.atlas...apan/index2.htm.

[fines]

Although originating from the "This Date in Autoracing" thread, I believe this is a better place to post a closer look on the 1963/4 Japan GP meetings. Here's a list of all 25 results from the JAF database, with laps, winner's time and average speed followed by all participating car (models) with the number of cars of each particular model in the race in brackets, followed again by any non-Japanese drivers who participated (though many names are just rough guesses from Katakana transcriptions). This is not meant to denigrate the home racers, it's simply that at this stage I'm not at all comfortable at identifying Japanese names, something to which I hope to aspire later. Maybe some of the TC or SC experts can make something of the listed models, but there was also a Formula Junior race in 1964.

Daiichikai (?) Nihon Guran Puri Jidosha Resu Taikai
"First Japan Grand Prix Automobile Race Event"

Race 1 - TC, 10 laps, 37'04.6" (97.160 kph) - Hino Contessa (9, R. Dunham?), DKW (2), Hino Renault? (2, V. G. Rose?), Datsun Bluebird (3)

Race 1 - TC, 7 laps, 28'05.6" (89.760 kph) - Suzulite Fronte (4), Subaru 360 (7), Matsuda Coupé R (2), Matsuda Coupé BC (1)

Race 2 - SC, 13 laps, 46'09.9" (101.443 kph) - DKW (1), Hino Contessa (7, R. Dunham?), Austin Healey (3), Nissan Fairlady (2), MG Midget (1), NSU Sport Prinz (2), Porsche (1)

Race 2 - SC, 20 laps, 1:03'12.0" (114.000 kph) - Jaguar E (5, Arthur Owen), Benz 300SE (1, W. E. Barrett?), Healey 100 (1), Healey 3000 (1)

Race 3 - TC, 12 laps, 46'10.2" (93.629 kph) - Volkswagen (6), Datsun Bluebird (2)

Race 3 - TC, 9 laps, 32'49.9" (98.751 kph) - Publica (8, R. Betz?), Mitsubishi 500 (4, D. Sawyer?), Subaru 450 (3), Mitsubishi Colt (1), Kyaroru? (1)

Race 4 - SC, 15 laps (?), 49'14.0" (109.754 kph) - Fairlady (1), Triumph TR4 (4), MGB (1), Fiat (1), Skyline S (2, R. Jones?), Triumph TR3 (3), Porsche (1), Triumph (1), MGA (3), Cedric? (1, R. Dunham?), Triumph TR2 (1)

Race 4 - ISC A 1, 30 laps, 1:22'31.0" (130.969 kph) - Lotus 23 (3, Peter Warr, Mike Knight, Arthur Owen), Jaguar D (1, Francis Francis), Lotus 11 (1, R. Lee?), Lotus Super 7 (1, A. D. Bennett?)

Race 4 - ISC A 2, 30 laps, 1:24'56.1" (127.240 kph) - Porsche Carrera 6 (1, Huschke von Hanstein), Porsche Coupé (1, P. Sebuni?), Porsche Super 90 (1, H. Lee?)

Race 4 - ISC A 3, 30 laps, 1:24'55.9" (127.245 kph) - Ferrari 250GT (1, Pierre Dumay), Aston Martin 4 (1, José Rosinski), Jaguar E (1, M. Baxter?), Triumph TR4 (1, A. Bateman?)

Race 5 - TC, 20 laps, 1:07'00.2" (107.528 kph) - Toyopet Crown (4), Isuzu Bellel (3, K. D. Suisha?, D. Nichols?), Taunus 17M (1), Nissan Cedric (3, R. Dunham?), Prince Skyline (3, R. Jones?), Prince Gloria (2, W. Lake?),

Race 5 - ISC A 1, 20 laps, 55'21.1" (130.164 kph) - Lotus 23 (3, Peter Warr, Mike Knight, Arthur Owen), Jaguar D (1, Francis Francis), Lotus Super (1, A. D. Bennett?), Lotus 11 (1, R. Lee?)

Race 5 - ISC A 2, 20 laps, 56'23.6" (127.759 kph) - Porsche Carrera (1, Huschke von Hanstein), Porsche Coupé (1, P. Sebuni?), Porsche Super 90 (1, H. Lee?)

Race 5 - ISC A 3, 20 laps, 57'13.9" (125.888 kph) - Ferrari 250GT (1, Pierre Dumay), Aston Martin 4 (1, José Rosinski), Jaguar E (1, R. M. Baxter?), Triumph TR4 (1, A. Bateman?)

Race 6 - TC, 15 laps, 51'57.1" (104.012 kph) - Toyopet Corona (8), Hillman Minx (7, D. Soya?), Vauxhall? FBX (1)

Dainikai (?) Nihon Guran Puri Jidosha Resu Taikai
"Second Japan Grand Prix Automobile Race Event"

Race 1 - TC T IV, 12 laps, 37'16.3" (115.983 kph) - Bluebird SS (12), Chirisu? Mini Cooper S (2), Bluebird Sports (1), Bluebird P312 (1), Alfa Romeo (1)

Race 1 - TC T I, 7 laps, 24'11.1" (104.266 kph) - Subaru 360 (7), Suzulite Fronte (4), Kyaroru? 360 (5)

Race 2 - GT I, 12 laps, 36'28.9" (118.494 kph) - Honda S600 (7, Ronnie Bucknum), Marcos GT (2, Mike Knight, Arthur Owen), Honda S500 (4, F. D. Manlee?), Contessa PC (7, R. Dunham?), Abarth Cinomille? (1)

Race 2 - GT II, 16 laps, 45'29.9" (126.682 kph) - Porsche Carrera 904 (1), Skyline GTS54 (7), Fairlady (14, J. E. Wilson?, P. Crowton?), Lotus Elan (1), MGB (2), Bellett 1600 (3, B. Ruiz?, K. D. Suisha?), Triumph TR4 (1), Lotus Elite (1)

Race 3 - TC T VI, 20 laps, 1:00'10.6" (119.727 kph) - Gloria S41 (9), Crown RS40 (10), Bellel PS20 (4, K. D. Suisha?, B. Ruiz?), Cedric G31 (7)

Race 3 - TC T III, 10 laps, 32'31.3" (110.769 kph) - Colt 1000 (6), Contessa (7, R. Dunham?), Austin Mini Cooper S (1), DKW F12 (1)

Race 4 - GT III, 20 laps, 58'43.1" (122.701 kph) - Jaguar XKE (4), Triumph TR4 (1)

Race 4 - JAF Trophy, 15 laps, 38'46.4" (139.363 kph) - Brabham (1, Mike Knight), Lotus 27 (1, Peter Warr), Lotus 22 (2, Francis Francis, A. H. Rowler?), Lotus QOJ (1, R. S. Ritzler?), Del Contessa (3, R. Dunham?), Cooper (2, M. R. O. Eyre?, Arthur Owen), Bullet? (1, J. Two?), Lotus 15 (1, R. Roose?), Lola Mk III (1, M. Evans?), Elva (1, J. S. Green?)

Race 5 - TC T II, 9 laps, 28'52.0" (112.315 kph) - Publica UP10 (14), Kyaroru? 600 (6)

Race 5 - TC T V, 15 laps, 44'45.6" (120.723 kph) - Prince Skyline 1500 (8), Prince S50DG1 (1), Bellett (10, B. Ruiz?, K. D. Suisha?), Toyopet Corona (10), Cortina Lotus (1)

[Stefan Ornerdal]

Thanks for the FJ results, Fines!
You must be must an expert on foreign languages!

Knight, Warr and Francis was well-known British FJ/F3-drivers, but the other ones, Ritzler, Roose, Evans, Green, Rowler? Australians?

Arthur Owen - could this be the one who raced in Italian Grand Prix 1960?

M.R.O. Eyre? Charles Eyre-Maunsell??

And what is a Lotus QOJ and a Del Contessa?

Stefan

[David McKinney]

Same Arthur Owen but completely different Eyres

[Ray Bell]

'Contessa' was a model name in the Hino range... wasn't it a rear-engined sedan?

[fines]

Stefan, I don't know about that strange Lotus type designation - it's straight from the JAF site. Looks more like a licence plate to me, but then it's supposed to be a monoposto! The Del Contessa was a Hino/Renault-engined Japanese FJunior; I can come back with more info.

Since all this data comes straight from the JAF website and it's originally in Katakana, it means that I had to "re-translate" the non-Japanese names, hence the question marks!

Here's all the original info for the "JAF Trophy Race", Suzuka 1964-05-03:

[position, name (romanization), car (romanization), time, laps]

1 M・ナイト (Naito) ブラバム (Burabamu) 0:38:46.400 15
2 P・ウォール (Uoru) ロータス (Rotasu) 27 0:40:04.100 15
3 F・フランシス (Furanshisu) ロータス (Rotasu) 22 0:40:22.900 14
4 A・H・ラウレル (Raureru) ロータス (Rotasu) 22 0:41:36.200 14
5 R・S・リッツラー (Rittsura) ロータス (Rotasu) QOJ 0:38:49.600 13
6 立原 義次 (Ratsugi??? Tatsuhara???) デル (Deru) ・ コンテッサ (Kontessa) 0:39:15.900 13
7 R・ダンハム (Danhamu) デル (Deru) ・ コンテッサ (Kontessa) 0:40:39.900 13
8 M・R・O・アイヤー (Aiya) クーパー (Kupa) 0:39:41.700 12
9 J・ツー (Tsu) ブラット (Buratto) 0:40:24.800 12
10 R・ルース (Rusu) ロータス (Rotasu) 15 0:40:54.400 12
11 M・エヴァンス (Evansu) ローラ (Rora) マーク (Maku) III 0:18:09.700 6
12 小島 常男 (Tsunetoko??? Koto???) デル (Deru) ・ コンテッサ (Kontessa) 0:12:51.300 4
13 J・S・グリーン (Gurin) エルバ (Eruba) 0:03:22.400 1
14 A・オーエン (Oen) クーパー (Kupa) 0:03:26.000 1

The two Japanese names are very rough transcriptions; I'm still not too confident with Kanji. [where's fndc when you need him? :sweat:]

[fines]

The rear-engined Del Contessa was built in 1963 by Shingo Shiozawa and other members of the Nippon Auto Club (NAC). It used a water-cooled 4-cylinder Hino Contessa engine (1000cc - I believe this was a Renault Dauphine licence), tuned to produce 70 bhp by using 2 twin-barrel Weber DCOE carbs in a spaceframe chassis with suspension design reportedly copied from photographs and cutaway drawings in English magazines! It had upper rocker arms and lower wishbones at the front, single transverse top links and radius rods and double lower links with outboard dampers at the rear and looked quite nice with its double nostril air intake.

[petefenelon]

I'm assuming Rotasu = Lotus, Kupa = Cooper, Eruba = Elva, Rora = Lola, Burabumu = Brabham, but what's a Buratto? Something local, or am I missing an obvious transliteration?

[Mac Lark]

Roly Levis not Rollo.

Ray - what did, if anything, the Waggott have in common with FVCs etc

I have often wondered how a Waggott would have gone in the first of 2-litre F2 in 1972.

[Ray Bell]

Though a lot of dimensions etc were from the Ford block, and the style of engine was pure FVA/C, it didn't have a Ford Block... and, of course, it wasn't based on a production engine.

They would have given the FVA's a real run for their money if Merv had made one in 1600cc form (I wonder if he had planned this? The first one was an 1800...) and I have no doubt that they would have held their own in a 2-litre free-design category in those days.

It had a separate crankcase in alloy, an iron block and then the exceptionally nice cylinder head. I had a close look at many bits of these at Lionel Ayers' place the other week, he has three of them, or the bits to build three, some bits being bare castings yet to be machined, including a head casting that was faulty and he's had welded up to suit.

There's a non-running example on display at Peter Waggott's workshop in Alstonville NSW...

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Mac Lark
Roly Levis not Rollo

Roly was a diminutive of his correct name, Rollo
(Not a lot of people know that)

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by David McKinney
Roly was a diminutive of his correct name, Rollo
(Not a lot of people know that)

I must say, Leo and Jim have never mentioned it...

I have never seen anything other than 'Roly' in print or heard anything else expressed. Except, of course, the day that Jack was trying to win the AGP and he crossed his path.

[Kojima_KE007]

6. Yoshitsugi Tatehara, del Contessa

12. Tsuneo Kojima, del Contessa

[David McKinney]

I'd be very surprised if Leo or Jim knew
I've never seen anything but Roly in print either, nor heard him called anything else
But the name he used on the electoral register is likely to be accurate

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by David McKinney
I'd be very surprised if Leo or Jim knew.....

I'd be surprised if they didn't know...

They're all pretty close friends. Though Leo isn't quite there all the time these days.

[fines]

Originally posted by petefenelon
I'm assuming Rotasu = Lotus, Kupa = Cooper, Eruba = Elva, Rora = Lola, Burabumu = Brabham, but what's a Buratto? Something local, or am I missing an obvious transliteration?

Corretto!

About the "Buratto", I've no idea either! I tentatively translated it as "Bullet" in my earlier post, but it could also mean "Brat", "Blatt", or whatever...

Originally posted by Kojima_KE007
6. Yoshitsugi Tatehara, del Contessa

12. Tsuneo Kojima, del Contessa

Muchas gracias!

Would Tsuneo Kojima have been a relative of Matsuhisa???

[petefenelon]

I'm guessing at Raureru being "Lawler"? - but it sounds way too early for Alo to be racing - any others?

[fndc]

Fines,did you call me?
But it is little bit late.
KE007 answered it.

I think Kojima is popular name,so there is no relation
between Tsuneo and Matsuhisa.

[Mac Lark]

Originally posted by David McKinney

Roly was a diminutive of his correct name, Rollo
(Not a lot of people know that)

David, I'd say you'd be in VERY select company.

[Kojima_KE007]

Originally posted by fines
Would Tsuneo Kojima have been a relative of Matsuhisa???

As fndc mentioned, Kojima is quite a common name in Japan, so I'd be surprised if they were related in any way at all.

Also, they use different Kanji letter "shima" as well.

[Ray Bell]

Originally posted by Mac Lark
David, I'd say you'd be in VERY select company.

Yeah, Jim and Leo are very select...

But now everyone on TNF knows, even that pesky fee-nes character. The cat's out of the bag.

[fines]

Pesky or not, I didn't know - I thought it was one of those typos on the JAF site. Mind you, I get used to drivers with names like Brian Identor, Jochen Masa or Arturo Marzario...

Thanks to fndc and KE007 again - I'm beginning to appreciate the troubles you must have posting on this BB. It's really good to have you around here!

While having your attention, I might as well ask for another few names I am stumped with:

Who are
安田 銀治 (Ginji Yasuda?)
砂子 義一 (Yoshikazu Sunako?)
望月 修
矢吹 圭造
片桐 昌夫
横山 崑 (? Yokoyama?)
沢田 稔
粕谷 勇
木下 昇 (Noboru Kinoshita?)
三富 嗣充
渡辺 一
黒須 隆一
田中 健二郎 (? Tanaka?)
高野 ルイ (Rui/Louie Takano?)
坂本 考一 (? Sakamoto?)
村田 邦夫 (? Murata?)

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by fines

Admittedly, automated tools have been used here - but this is how close I can get - nothing definitive!


1. Osamu (???) Yasuda
2. Sanago (probably the same as Sunako)!
3. Osamu Mochizuki
4. ??? Yabuki
5. Akio Katagiri
6. ??? Yokoyama
7. Minoru Sawada
8. Isamu Kasutani
9. Noburu Kinoshita
10. ??? Mitomi
11. ??? Watanabe
12. Ryuichi Kurosu
13. Kenjiro Tanaka
14. Louis Takano
15. ??? Sakamoto
16. Kunio Murata

[fndc]

These drivers's active years are 60's and early of 70's.
So I don't know exactly.

1.Ginji Yasuda
2.Yoshikazu Sunako
3.Osamu Mochizuki
4.Keizou Yabuki
5.Masao Katagiri
6.Kon Yokoyama(who?)
7.Minoru Sawada
8.Isamu Kasuya
9.Noboru Kinoshita
10.Tsugumitsu(?) Mitomi
11.Hajime Watanabe
12.Ryuuichi Kurosu
13.Kenjirou Tanaka
14.Rui Takano
15.Kouichi Sakamoto
16.Kunio Murata

Anyway you did a great job,fines!

[fines]

Thanks Tooru and, erm, Pete! HOW DID YOU DO THAT?

[petefenelon]

Originally posted by fines


Thanks Tooru and, erm, Pete! HOW DID YOU DO THAT?

Ran them through the free translation tools on altavista.com.

(The alternative was ask my sister to translate them as she has a degree in Japanese... but altavista at least got the surnames!)

[fines]

Ah... my experience with internet translating (BableFish, I think) is somewhat different: the programme used to translate the names into English verbs and nouns - very funny at times, though!

[MarkBisset]

 

 

 

Jackie Stewart during his victorious JAF Japanese GP win in 1970, John Coombs (spelling?) Brabham BT30 FVC. Jack Brabham raced this chassis a few times in 1970 didn’t he ?