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[uechtel]

Doug, I only think that the incident is more likely to have happened than not. Reconstructing it is difficult, yes, but dismissing it until we are sure that there is absolutely no way that it could have happened is no good for all the reasons stated on pages 12 to 14 on this thread. Thus, with Tony Kaye, I see men scraping paint during the night of 2-3 June 1934 ... Get that filler out of it, boys ...

 

Compared to the white Bugatti and the white overalls of the mechanics this is definitvely not white.

 

So I am curious to see how the Daimler PR department will now find an explanation for how to strip white paint off a car that has been already silver...

 

 

 

 

 

[raceannouncer2003]

Is this any better for you, Vince?

 

 

 

Yes, that's better, thanks.

 

Vince H.

Edited by raceannouncer2003, 30 April 2020 - 05:27.

[ReWind]

This should be the first photographic evidence that at least one of the Mercedes cars at the 1934 Eifelrennen already during practice was not white because the picture obviously was not taken on raceday (Sunday) but at an earlier time (as Richard pointed out in post # 749).

Edited by ReWind, 30 April 2020 - 11:05.

[RogerFrench]

I saw it when first posted, but no longer.

[ReWind]

I just restored the link.
 
Otherwise you can find it there. (Type "Nürburgring" into the field to the left of "Suchen", click on "Suchen", then under the heading "Jahrzehnte" click on "30er Jahre".)

[DCapps]

This should be the first photographic evidence that at least one of the Mercedes cars at the 1934 Eifelrennen already during practice was not white because the picture obviously was not taken on raceday (Sunday) but at an earlier time (as Richard pointed out in post # 749).

Well, Doh!

[Rob G]

TBH I'm more intrigued by that Alfa in the pits. Minozzi? He was a DNS. 

 

Penn-Hughes.

[Michael Ferner]

You all have better eyes than me. I couldn't possibly state with any confidence whether the Benz's white or silver!

[VWV]

Here are some excellent pics of what the W25 looks like now https://petrolicious...op-in-stuttgart

[DCapps]

From October 2019 in Melbourne at the AHA conference at RMIT in Melbourne...

 

(https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be)

 

The slides and the paper for the lecture are at (https://independent....du/HDonaldCapps),

Edited by DCapps, 01 December 2020 - 20:38.

[DCapps]

It was spelled correctly in the previous version of the slides and somehow got changed when I made some edits the night before (jet lag probably not helping...). I discovered it about two minutes after we had loaded the presentation.... A big, DOH! when I saw it.

[Ray Bell]

I tried...

 

Not nearly enough volume for me to hear enough of the words spoken. I put my hearing aids on, the laptop's volume was on maximum.

[a_tifoosi]

The Automobilia Spring Auction from Ni-Cola Classics includes a lot of 40 original B/W negatives from the Avusrennen held on 27 May 1934. They are close-up shots of the three Mercedes-Benz W25: link here.

 

Narcís.

 

[DCapps]

I am still looking for the white W25s in the photos...

[Ray Bell]

They look to be pre-race, too...

 

I guess that makes a difference.

[Steve L]

Does anyone know how many W25s survive please?

[Doug Nye]

At least one - in the Mercedes Museum collection in Stuttgart.

 

DCN

[DCapps]

Does anyone know how many W25s survive please?

 

 

At least one - in the Mercedes Museum collection in Stuttgart.

 

DCN

 

Having sat in one, I can vouch for there being one at the Mercedes-Benz Classic Center in July 2007.

 

I was told that it is W25/105194, a 1934 car.

 

There is also another 1934 car, W25/105196, that is at the the M-B Museum in Stuttgart.

 

It is my understanding that another W25 from the 1936 "short car" batch is somewhere in the M-B collection, but I haven't anything on it readily at hand. I think it was modified and used in the 1937 AVUSrennen, but my memory isn't what it used be on these cars.

[Roger Clark]

Caracciola raced the new streamliner based upon both the speed record car and the 1937 GP car. Von Brauchitsch had a 1936 car rebuilt to a streamliner with Mercedes' infamous 700HP V12 DAB engine making its race debut. Zehender had another of the W25 - V12 combinations, this one with a normal body. Lang had a 1936 speed record car rebuilt with a long wheelbase and a straight 8 engine. Because of concerns that the streamlined bodies could increase to tyre wear due to weight and overheating, Mercedes also entered a normal 1937 GP car to be driven by Seaman. That car had 25 km/h lower top speed than the streamliners.

Source: http://www.kolumbus....an/gp372.htm#15