
Best and worst moments in F1
#1
Posted 06 October 2011 - 06:45
Worst (in no particular order):
1 - 2005 United States Grand Prix - (the tyre debacle)
2 - 1994 San Marino Grand Prix - (death of Senna and Ratzenberger)
3 - 2002 Austrian Grand Prix - (Barrichello/Schumacher position swap)
Best (in no particular order)
1 - 2009 Season - Brawn wins against the odds
2 - 1992 Monaco Grand Prix - Senna somehow holds off Mansell to win his fifth Monaco race - by just .215 seconds
3 - 2008 Brazil Grand Prix - Hamilton proves it ain't over til it's over!
I could list many, many more - but these are stand out for me.
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#2
Posted 06 October 2011 - 08:58
- 2006 Japanese Grand Prix – a truly heart-breaking engine failure
- 1999 British Grand Prix
- 1998 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2005 season – tyre disparity
- 1997 European Grand Prix – an unfortunate err
- 1998 Belgian Grand Prix
Best (to name a few):
- 2000 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix
- 2006 Chinese Grand Prix
- 1995 Belgian Grand Prix
- 1997 Monaco Grand Prix
- 1996 Spanish Grand Prix
- 1998 Hungarian Grand Prix
- 1994 Australian Grand Prix – the right man won despite FIA's games
#3
Posted 06 October 2011 - 09:21
A best for me was Jenson Button somehow pulling off the win in Canada this year (2011). Yeah, he had help from the safety car, but how many times has a driver had so many incidents, been so far back and won a Grand Prix? I'm not a fan of any driver these days, but he certainly did have an amazing, dramatic race.
Another best for me was Senna's opening lap at Donnington 1993. In terms of "gizmos", he had one of the most advanced F1 cars in history (including today), but he sure did use it to his advantage.
A worst moment for me was seeing that photo in the Sunday sports section of the Indianapolis Star of what was left of Francois Cevert after his fatal accident at Watkins Glen in 1973 - but maybe we shouldn't down this route?
Edited by stevewf1, 06 October 2011 - 09:38.
#4
Posted 06 October 2011 - 09:21
Worst:
- 2006 Japanese Grand Prix – a truly heart-breaking engine failure
- 1999 British Grand Prix
- 1998 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2005 season – tyre disparity
- 1997 European Grand Prix – an unfortunate err
- 1998 Belgian Grand Prix
Best (to name a few):
- 2000 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2006 Chinese Grand Prix
- 1995 Belgian Grand Prix
- 1997 Monaco Grand Prix
- 1996 Spanish Grand Prix
- 1998 Hungarian Grand Prix
- 1994 Australian Grand Prix – the right man won despite FIA's games
The thread title was not "best and worst moments of Schumacher"

Just joking, hehe.
The worst for me is the entire 2011 season, all this gimmicky DRS/KERS/intentionally quality lowered Pirellis-nonsense for enjoyment of the lowest common denominator. Nothing to do with real F1 which is about pushing the limits of technology, not degrading it for a show or giving one driver a mechanical advantage to enable public road-like passes so people can boast there were 100 boring passes in a race. Pathetic.
Best was the entire 2010 season, just awesome, so many great drivers fighting for the win at every race and for the title untill the last race. So much drama, incredible challenges, twists, turns...everything about it was awesome and in half a century people will envy us for having experienced it live.
#5
Posted 06 October 2011 - 09:32
Worst well, also many but 38 years ago today was one of the worst ones of all for me.

#6
Posted 06 October 2011 - 10:55
The worst for me is the entire 2011 season, all this gimmicky DRS/KERS/intentionally quality lowered Pirellis-nonsense for enjoyment of the lowest common denominator. Nothing to do with real F1 which is about pushing the limits of technology, not degrading it for a show or giving one driver a mechanical advantage to enable public road-like passes so people can boast there were 100 boring passes in a race. Pathetic.
Best was the entire 2010 season, just awesome, so many great drivers fighting for the win at every race and for the title untill the last race. So much drama, incredible challenges, twists, turns...everything about it was awesome and in half a century people will envy us for having experienced it live.
Even with lame DRS, the races this year are 99999x more exciting than any race last year. Even Valencia was better than almost any race last year. Honestly, you're comparing diamonds with garbage.
#7
Posted 06 October 2011 - 11:16
The worst for me is the entire 2011 season, all this gimmicky DRS/KERS/intentionally quality lowered Pirellis-nonsense for enjoyment of the lowest common denominator. Nothing to do with real F1 which is about pushing the limits of technology, not degrading it for a show or giving one driver a mechanical advantage to enable public road-like passes so people can boast there were 100 boring passes in a race. Pathetic.
Best was the entire 2010 season, just awesome, so many great drivers fighting for the win at every race and for the title untill the last race. So much drama, incredible challenges, twists, turns...everything about it was awesome and in half a century people will envy us for having experienced it live.
This x 100
The current regs are ruining the sport, DRS is just horrible, it devalues a lot of the great driver performances this year. DRS belongs in video games.
#8
Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:21
Even with lame DRS, the races this year are 99999x more exciting than any race last year. Even Valencia was better than almost any race last year. Honestly, you're comparing diamonds with garbage.
Device that allows artificial passing =/= Exciting racing.
I am inclined to agree that 2011 hasn't been that great. Vettel's domination is a snoozefest and the DRS is ridiculous gimmicky and out of place in real racing.
#9
Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:22
The tyres also unfairly gave certain drivers a huge advantage, while it hurt others badly.
Remove DRS, remove the crap tyres, bring back refueling and increase the KERS power. KERS is perfect, because both drivers can use it throughout a lap and one driver can force the other to use it early etc.
Edited by Alx09, 06 October 2011 - 12:33.
#10
Posted 06 October 2011 - 12:28
This x 100
The current regs are ruining the sport, DRS is just horrible, it devalues a lot of the great driver performances this year. DRS belongs in video games.
Please no DRS in video games either.
#11
Posted 06 October 2011 - 13:03
#12
Posted 06 October 2011 - 13:12
Oh, the worst is DRS.
#13
Posted 06 October 2011 - 13:28
'I hate DRS. Why did they have to go and put all this artificial overtaking in the sport? Everything was perfectly fair and square between every driver on the grid for the previous sixty years when every car was different and how successful you were depended almost entirely on how much money the team had, and then they had to go and **** all over it by giving us DRS'.
Instead of out-braking the opponent, you can now out-button-press him
#14
Posted 06 October 2011 - 13:33
Worst:
- 2006 Japanese Grand Prix – a truly heart-breaking engine failure
- 1999 British Grand Prix
- 1998 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2005 season – tyre disparity
- 1997 European Grand Prix – an unfortunate err
- 1998 Belgian Grand Prix
Best (to name a few):
- 2000 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix
- 2006 Chinese Grand Prix
- 1995 Belgian Grand Prix
- 1997 Monaco Grand Prix
- 1996 Spanish Grand Prix
- 1998 Hungarian Grand Prix
- 1994 Australian Grand Prix – the right man won despite FIA's games
Another ethically challenged punter draws tainted conclusions.

Jp
PS..for your 2011 racing highlights see this thread.
Edited by jonpollak, 06 October 2011 - 13:36.
#15
Posted 06 October 2011 - 13:35
Edited by andrew., 06 October 2011 - 13:36.
#16
Posted 06 October 2011 - 13:37
#17
Posted 06 October 2011 - 13:48
Bad moments: 2009 - the Double diffuser controversy. Awful disgrace. 2011 - extremely boring season.
Overall bad moment - the path that F1 has chosen - no real innovations, no pushing the limits - just a nice balanced show with some overtaking spectacle.
#18
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:07
#19
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:09
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#20
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:13
The worst was the 1. May of 1994.

Also,from a sporting view was the Spanish GP 2001.
#21
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:21
1. Mark Webber wins at the Nurburgring, 2009 - I don't know how well non-Mark fans can understand this moment, but only two weeks before even I was in the deepest pits of despair, wondering if Mark would ever win a race. When that scream of pure, unadulterated delight came through my TV speakers...


2. And then he won Monaco.

3. And then he came from 18th on the grid in China and nearly won the damn race!
4. Oh, and THEN he pulled the ballsiest, best move ever on Fernando Alonso at Eau Rouge! (And proceeds to overtake him twice in similar fashion at Singapore! Alonso is Mark's bunny!)
5. Felipe Massa won the world title... (which leads to a worst moment...)
6. Felipe Massa comes back from his injury!
7. A certain Aussie sends Albert Park into transports of delight on his debut back in 2002...
(Er, yeah. Sorry if these are Mark-centric. My head is slightly woozy, and my memory of F1 only really goes back to about 2002. I know I watched it before then, but I honestly can't remember.)
Worst moments:
1. Every and any time someone lost their life. Remember them all. Work backwards if you have to, but remember them all. Senna, Ratzenberger, de Angelis, Paletti, Villeneuve...Don't just remember the champions. Remember them ALL. And don't forget the marshals, either.
.................
2. Vettel crosses the line in Abu Dhabi, 2010. Worst moment ever. Ever. Ever. Absolutely horrible. I couldn't bear to watch.
3. A spring bounces off Barrichello's car and strikes Felipe Massa, 2009...
4. Timo Glock struggles on the slick tyres, 2008. Massa deserved that championship. He won it. And then...
5. I open Google News and discover Mark is lying on a road in Tasmania with a broken leg.










6. I open Google News and discover Robert has impaled his rally car on a piece of armco.
7. Mark's engine blows up (again), Monaco 2006.
8. Raikkonen dreams on the racing line into Stowe, Silverstone 2009. (THAT should have been Mark's first pole and first win. Stupid useless Finn.)
9. Kovalainen weaves and Mark does a backflip as a result. Talk about your heart attack. Valencia 2010.
#22
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:23
#23
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:25
Worst:
- 2006 Japanese Grand Prix – a truly heart-breaking engine failure
- 1999 British Grand Prix
- 1998 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2005 season – tyre disparity
- 1997 European Grand Prix – an unfortunate err
- 1998 Belgian Grand Prix
Best (to name a few):
- 2000 Japanese Grand Prix
- 2007 Brazilian Grand Prix
- 2006 Chinese Grand Prix
- 1995 Belgian Grand Prix
- 1997 Monaco Grand Prix
- 1996 Spanish Grand Prix
- 1998 Hungarian Grand Prix
- 1994 Australian Grand Prix – the right man won despite FIA's games
For Schumacher.... where is the 2000 European Grand Prix? He was quite amazing in that race.
#24
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:30
I wasn't planning on sharing my personal worst moment here but you've summed it up quite perfectly for me.Vettel crosses the line in Abu Dhabi, 2010. Worst moment ever. Ever. Ever. Absolutely horrible. I couldn't bear to watch.

#25
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:32
The worst moment in F1 history are those that pass away in a racing car. The rest is secondary. Ayrton Senna, IMHO, was the worse passing F1 has seen so far.
I don't know, seeing the pictures of Francois Cervert's crash...

Or any of the poor men who died in the flaming wreck of a car...

I think they are ALL the worst passing F1 has seen so far.
#26
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:35
I wasn't planning on sharing my personal worst moment here but you've summed it up quite perfectly for me.
Everyone who knows me knows this is my worst. I couldn't acknowledge what happened for months afterwards. I wouldn't say it aloud, and the only reason I ever wrote it down (once) was because if I didn't, I wouldn't score the point on my assessable quiz. It literally took me months - maybe six or seven...and even now you could probably count on one hand the number of times I've acknowledged it.
I just could not believe Karma, Fate, could be so blasted unfair. Alonso I could have handled. A spoilt brat who'd never led the championship? Not on your life.
#27
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:38

Honestly engine failures or cheating looks ridiculous in comparison.
#28
Posted 06 October 2011 - 14:47
-Villeneuve's crash in zolder 1982
-Imola 1994
-Belgium ans Japan 2008, where the FIA did not even try to hide they just wanted to let McLaren lose no matter how they had to bend te rules.
Best
-Abu Dhabi 2010 Awesome finale
-spa 2004 Great Kimi race
-spain 1996 Schumacher incredible
-Japan 1994 Hill rising above himself
-Jerez 1990 Prost and his Ferrari great drive
-Brazil 1989 Mansells first win for Ferrari
#29
Posted 06 October 2011 - 15:22
I don't know, seeing the pictures of Francois Cervert's crash...
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Or any of the poor men who died in the flaming wreck of a car...![]()
I think they are ALL the worst passing F1 has seen so far.
The difference between the rest and Senna was that Senna was a three time world champion when he passed and likely would have won another or two.
#30
Posted 06 October 2011 - 15:28
My personal best moment was Button winning the Hungarian GP in 2006.
That was an awesome day.
#31
Posted 06 October 2011 - 15:37
Obviously the Worst of all are the deaths in F1 be it from drivers to mechanics to marshalls.
Best:
1. As a Schumacher fan, I thought I wouldn't find myself saying this, but in 2005 two top drivers other than Schumacher emerged and challenged for the title, and therefore ending Schumacher's dominance, great for the sport.
2. 2007, just what F1 needed after Schumacher's departure, a double world champion fighting for the championship against a driver who was regarded as the "fastest man in the world", and who could forget the first black driver in F1, a rookie, fighting among these guys for the title, a 4 way title battle became 3, and what a season it was, amazing for F1, a new fresh talent in F1, drama, and finallly one of the best drivers of the 00s finally won that title he was after in dramatic fashion.
3. Hakkinen vs Schumacher, again it was what F1 needed after a badtime in the 90s after great driver losing his life, the FIA being a bit unreasonable, Schumacher's antics in '97. These two guys showed that a rivalry on track doesn't have to involve anger, and it can be civilised, these two guys pushed each other to the limit, and gave us one of the best overtakes in F1 history (Spa 2000), if it wasn't for Hakkinen the '98-01 period would have been just as boring as 2002 and 2004.
4. The 2008 championship, wasn't that great to watch? One of the best seasons in F1, my favourite along with 2007, the last race brought a lot of excitement and emotions, Lews Hamilton already lost a 7 point lead in the championship to a Ferrari driver, and it looked as if until the last corner he was going to do the same. 2 underdogs emerged, Massa and Kubica, any of those 3 deserved the title that year, it's a shame BMW stopped developing their car mid-season, if they didn't I would have put my money on an even better season and Kubica to have snatched the title.
5. The safety in F1
6. Felipe Massa coming back from a very bad accident to get a podium in his first race ever since the accident.
7. Vettel winning the championship in 2010, he thoroughly deserved and finally luck came his way that season, which gave us 5 world champions on the grid this year. Along with this, the 2010 season, it is was what we needed after a boring championship in 2009, a 4 way title battle, great season, good on track action, most races where exciting, drivers outperforming in the car (Kubica, Rosberg)
Worst
1. Ehm...Kubica's accident I would have to say, if he was on the grid today, I am sure this season would have been better with this great talent.
2. Massa's accident, a driver that was getting better race by race ever since 2007 to have such an unfortunate accident was a shame, ever since the accident has he been the same? It's a big question mark, it wouldn't have done his confidence good at all...
3. 2009 season, what can I say? It was a farce, I wasn't happy with it, it I am sure put many people off of F1, from the double diffuser controversy to the split, to the boring season, totally disrupting the sport.
4. DRS, why not keep the F-duct? It was "innovative" which F1 was about, plus it wasn't "mandatory" and it could have been further developed plus both drivers can use it anytime anywhere during the race. DRS is just a horrible artificial tool...as if F1 isn't as confusing as it is this season, bringing in DRS is just going to confuse new fans. Plus you don't require skill at all to overtake, some say it's to make a faster car pass another, why? That's not F1, a driver in one specific on the track vulnerable to attack and is always going to get passed. What happened to defending? It seems as if this aspect is vanishing, a slower car can't keep a faster one behind.
For example, Hamilton and Massa in Singapore? Just came through the field because of this tool, just going past people in DRS zones...not exciting at all, what's worse is Hamilton's move on Sutil, Sutil knew he couldn't keep Hamilton behind him, so he slowed down at a corner and just let Hamilton past.
5. The Pirelli tyres in qualifying and the amount of sets you have, qualifying P18 has is a mega advantage than qualifying 11th-17th since you have at least 2 extra set of soft tyres, for instance look at Alguersuari, qualifying P18 most of the time, and because of this gets into the points, and his team-mate who out-qualifies him constantly is disadvantaged being faster than him in qualifying. The same could have been said with Petrov and Heidfeld, Maldonado and Barrichello. It's a farce, if the Pirelli tyres where in 2010 I doubt Liuzzi would have got fired since he kept qualifying 18th
#32
Posted 06 October 2011 - 15:41
Another best for me was Senna's opening lap at Donnington 1993. In terms of "gizmos", he had one of the most advanced F1 cars in history (including today), but he sure did use it to his advantage.
He may have had an advanced car but it had rubbish power. It was an amazing race and probably the best single lap in F1 history - I'll increase my top 3 to a top 4!
#33
Posted 06 October 2011 - 17:18
Suzuka 2000, Brazil 2007 were some of the best,
and Hungary 2009 and Suzuka 2006 were bad.
#34
Posted 06 October 2011 - 17:45
For best? Hard to think of anything on the good side as good as the bad ones are bad.
#35
Posted 06 October 2011 - 17:48
#36
Posted 06 October 2011 - 18:11
No takers for Singapore 2008? A little bit of my love for the sport died with it
The bad ones where all those drivers gone. So many of them.
The best races this year where Monaco and Canada, a great many of brilliant drives there and a lot of tension.
#37
Posted 06 October 2011 - 18:49
The difference between the rest and Senna was that Senna was a three time world champion when he passed and likely would have won another or two.
oh and because he had 3 titles that made his loss worse? nonsense, all were a huge loss and very tragic.
Francois only had 1 win to his name but it was a future champion, I'm sure of it.
tbh I'd much rather go quickly and (hopefully) painlessly like poor Ayrton than suffer what, Williamson, Cevert, Siffert, De Angelis, Bandini, Rodriguez (Ricardo), Courage and many others did.
#38
Posted 06 October 2011 - 19:05
No takers for Singapore 2008? A little bit of my love for the sport died with it
If you're talking about the cheating, I can tell you it started way before 08. The biggest scandals never came out.
One of the worst moments in F1 (from the last couple of years):
- Massa missing out on the World title which he richly deserved in 08
- The pathetic season that was 2007! (Doesn't have much to do with the racing)
#39
Posted 06 October 2011 - 19:57
So then I nominate as follows, trying to keep the count low:
Best:
1996 Japanese GP - Hill deserved that title!
1998 Italian GP - I was there for the first time watching the race on track and I came to see Schumacher win
2000 Japanese GP - oh boy, how happy I was!
Worst:
1992 season - how boring it was!
2007 Brazilian GP - Räikkönen "winning" that farce of the race and farce of the WDC
2009 Abu Dhabi GP - I cannpt say the wrong man won but it was a shocking experience for a Ferrari fan!
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#40
Posted 06 October 2011 - 20:26
Monza 2010 tyres were so much better. oh wait .. they werent.The worst for me is the whole 2011 year, with these terribly boring tyres where drivers drive around and nurse them
remove the crap tyres
#41
Posted 06 October 2011 - 20:32
Best moments (apology for the lewis focus)
Last 2 corners of the last lap of brazil 2008 (erm self explanatory)
China 2008 - after what happened the year before and the race before lovely boring weekend
Monaco 2008 - only race I've watched in a sports bar
The first few laps and the last corner of this year's british grand prix - because I was there and particularly because we were on the pit straight and saw massa and lewis come round the corner together
Lewis overtaking alonso silverstone 2009(!) - most exciting moment at my first grand prix, crowd going berserk and it was for something like 17th!
Worst moment
I can't decide whether the gravel trap at china 2007 or the return from the adverts to see the entire field passing lewis in brazil 2007 is worse...
Liegate
Singapore 2010 (spoilt the start of my holiday and followed hot on the heels from monza)
Australian quali 2009 - realisation sometimes testing does tell a story and the car was crap
monaco 2011 - quali / race / post quali interview
#42
Posted 06 October 2011 - 21:44

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#43
Posted 06 October 2011 - 21:53
The difference between the rest and Senna was that Senna was a three time world champion when he passed and likely would have won another or two.
So Ratzenberger's death meant absolutely nothing? He was irrelevant? What about de Angelis? Paletti? Villeneuve? What about the marshals?
Your attitude is disgusting. EVERY death is tragic. Senna's is no more so than Ratzenberger's the day before - if anything, Ratzenberger's has become the more tragic death because he has been forgotten. So what if Senna could have won more titles. So could all of the guys who have died, you never know.
#44
Posted 06 October 2011 - 22:07
I guess it's a sign of the times that only a few people mentioned a driver's, marshall's, or lest we forget spectators' deaths as the worst thing to happen in F1. And I suppose that's understandable since it's been quite a few years since any of the aforementioned incidents have taken place, Senna's death in 1994 being the last driver fatality. But I can think of nothing worse. And since today is the 38th anniversary of Francois Cevert's tragic accident at Watkins Glen during practice for the 1973 USGP, I thought I'd share this photo, taken either by my dad or I (as we were both shooting), moments before he left the pits for the last time.
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Speaking for myself, I deliberately looked at things from a sporting context, I think we can all agree that anyone's death far outweighs anything else but I don't see how that would make for a discussion or a thread.
Rgarding your photo, that's pretty poignant, I can't imagine being at a grand prix, or any event for that matter, where somebody loses their life.f
#45
Posted 06 October 2011 - 22:08
Best (in no order):
Brazil 2008 (last lap title win)
Spa 1998 (crazy race from start to finish)
Jerez 1997 (cheating doesn't pay)
Canada 2011 (last to first, last lap win)
2010 season (5 way title fight)
Worst (in no order):
Singapore 2008 (cheating pays)
2005 US GP (stubborn heads deny fans)
Monza 2000 (marshall dies)
1994 Oz GP (cheating pays)
1994 Imola (drivers die)
#46
Posted 06 October 2011 - 22:12
The best? Well there are too many.
#47
Posted 06 October 2011 - 22:30
DisgustingThe difference between the rest and Senna was that Senna was a three time world champion when he passed and likely would have won another or two.

One might, as a rhetoric exercise, as well say that Senna had the fortune to win 3 titles while others died before they had the chance to prove their worth. And Cevert is an especially poignant case.
But of course every driver that died on the track is a tragedy worse enough to stop with such stupid stuff.
And -as we might easily forget- the best of current F1 is that, for quite some time, the death toll has stopped - at least since Melbourne 2001.
#48
Posted 06 October 2011 - 22:36
I guess it's a sign of the times that only a few people mentioned a driver's, marshall's, or lest we forget spectators' deaths as the worst thing to happen in F1. And I suppose that's understandable since it's been quite a few years since any of the aforementioned incidents have taken place, Senna's death in 1994 being the last driver fatality. But I can think of nothing worse. And since today is the 38th anniversary of Francois Cevert's tragic accident at Watkins Glen during practice for the 1973 USGP, I thought I'd share this photo, taken either by my dad or I (as we were both shooting), moments before he left the pits for the last time.
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Thats a lovely but rather sad picture. Thank you

RIP Francois, while there are still a few of us oldies about, you and others will never be forgotten.
Edited by Longtimefan, 06 October 2011 - 22:36.
#49
Posted 06 October 2011 - 22:41
Best, when you could leave a circuit, happy in the knowledge that there had not been a fatal accident or serious injury.
Worst, when you couldn't.
#50
Posted 06 October 2011 - 22:47
The difference between the rest and Senna was that Senna was a three time world champion when he passed and likely would have won another or two.
