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[Gladiator]

Why the large majoraty of F1 professional observers (team bosses, car industry chairmen, technicians, race drivers, journalists, etc...) consider JV as the best F1 pilot?

Regards.

[magic]

cause he kicked dh, ms, hhf and mh butt in '96'97?

[Dsilence]

haha... what a joke.. =)

[B.Verkiler]

Do they?

[markzed]

Gladiator wouldn't happen to be a JV fan, would he?

[30ft penguin]

I have never heard that they did.

[colejk]

Originally posted by magic
cause he kicked dh, ms, hhf and mh butt in '96'97?

Kicked butt? Please define kicking butt? A points difference of 10 points or so at the end of the season to me, does not seem like a butt kicking to me. Surely you jest.

JV is respected by all in F1 but do they consider him the best racer? Puhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Maybe in the back half of the grid that he's occupied for the last couple of years!

[BT52]

Originally posted by Gladiator
Why the large majoraty of F1 professional observers (team bosses, car industry chairmen, technicians, race drivers, journalists, etc...) consider JV as the best F1 pilot?

Regards.

Can we have some names please
(Other than Pollock !!)

[magic]

the fact that ms as so lucky/smart only drive for competitive and experienced teams should not be used to discredit jv.

[Williams]

Patrick Head said after he took pole in his first race in F1, took fastest lap, then nearly won the race as well:

He’s not like I was twenty-four-year-old. He’s been out the big bad world for a long time, looking after himself. I’m mightily impressed. Obviously he’s very talented, although I’m not making any comparisons. We know Damon very well and we know how he responds to certain things. It’s great to see that Jacques just loves his racing. He’s got a grin all over his face and he loves all aspects of the process of qualifying, practising, sorting the car out, making his decisions, talking to people and the rest of it. It isn’t stressful for him, it’s natural. I think he’d hate to have a proper job. So he’s a pleasure to work with. He’s obviously big news.

Let's face it, the guys a racer.

[pfa]

A guy that can not drive in the rain and cant find his way arround Monaco is definatelly not the best in F1.

In the industry only Pollok (His manager) and Jacques himself think he is the best.

[Gladiator]

All in motorsport regard JV to be the best in F1 except Schumacher-fans, face it!

He is a master in qualifying.

He is a master in overtaking.

He is a true racer.

[cuckoo bird]

Originally posted by Gladiator
All in motorsport regard JV to be the best in F1 except Schumacher-fans, face it!

He is a master in qualifying.

He is a master in overtaking.

He is a true racer.

oh come on........u watched Montreal 2000, u saw him T-bone into Ralf??.......is that what you call master in overtaking?

[magic]

and zonta. and hhf. and hill.

[Gladiator]

No but!

Estoril-96

Jerez-97

Just a sample of many :lol:

[umma gumma]

oops. deleted. didn't see that other thread. sorry [p][Edited by umma gumma on 02-06-2001]

[pfa]

Jacques the master of overtaking: wittnes Indianapolis 2000. That move on Frentzen was masterfull.

He has only been good in a Williams Renault. A dominating F1 car. He has been two seasons now with a mediocre car and his skills havent been enough to get him a podium even. And hes been driving a works Honda engine, and that is something special.

And about him being the master of qualifying: How many poles does he have???

[STORM]

Jacques Villeneuve overtook several cars in Suzuka 2000 just to mention an example from that race.

He is the best in overtaking, no doubt about it.

[STORM]

Well, he killed Shuey in qual. when they both drove competitve cars

[BuzzingHornet]

Originally posted by magic
cause he kicked dh, ms, hhf and mh butt in '96'97?

So I guess that would make him the 1996 World Champ then

just remind me, how many times did he outqualify Hill? How many races did he win again in 96??;)

[STORM]

Qualifying 1997

1 Australien 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
2 Brasilien 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
3 Argentina 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
4 San Marino 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
5 Monaco 4 Heinz-Harald Frentzen Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
6 Spanien 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
7 Kanada 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari F310B Ferrari 3.0 V10
8 Frankrike 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari F310B Ferrari 3.0 V10
9 Storbritanninen 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
10 Tyskland 8 Gerhard Berger Benetton B197 Renault 3.0 V10
11 Ungern 5 Michael Schumacher Ferrari F310B Ferrari 3.0 V10
12 Belgien 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
13 Italien 7 Jean Alesi Benetton B197 Renault 3.0 V10
14 Österrike 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
15 Luxemburg 9 Mika Hakkinen McLaren MP4-12 Mercedes 3.0 V10
16 Japan 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10
17 Europa 3 Jacques Villeneuve Williams FW19 Renault 3.0 V10

Jacques Villeneuve 10 poles of 17.
Michael Schumacher 3 poles of 17.

[SlateGray]

As a big fan of Jacques I would just like to say that I have had nothing to do with this thread!
If you have a opinion thats fine. Please don't just make up stuff and then post it as fact!

[BuzzingHornet]

I like JV too, I wish people would write stuff about him that actually happened and not rubbish that forces me to sound like i'm slagging him off.

[Manson]

JV's my fav but not the current best all around. MS has got to take that. JV is great in qualifying and puts in 100% all the time, trying too hard sometimes but at least you know he's giving his all. Same as MS. Take MS #1, MH, JV, it's a toss up for second.

[Dimo]

I wouldn't touch most of this thread since it is primarily made up of pure flame bait or the emotional responses that flame bait draws out of people.

I did want to comment on one thing though:

Originally posted by pfa
A guy that...can't find his way around Monaco is definitely not the best in F1

JV definitely knows his way around Monaco...more so than most. He covered most of it on foot during 2000 qualifying.;)

[HartleyHare]

He's not, you know.

[colejk]

Originally posted by Dimo
I wouldn't touch most of this thread since it is primarily made up of pure flame bait or the emotional responses that flame bait draws out of people.

I did want to comment on one thing though:

Originally posted by pfa
A guy that...can't find his way around Monaco is definitely not the best in F1

JV definitely knows his way around Monaco...more so than most. He covered most of it on foot during 2000 qualifying.;)

yes he's probably the quickest around Monaco (on foot)!!!

[BuzzingHornet]

BAR should just have given him some rollerblades last year

[umma gumma]

gladiator, you're making the rest of us JV fans look bad.

[JPMCrew]

I actually haven't heard many people say this... Not even his most ardent fans.

[Nikolas Garth]

Originally posted by JPMCrew
I actually haven't heard many people say this...

Not that many crazy people around ;)

Not even his most ardent fans.

Man, they're saying this all the time.

[umma gumma]

I have a gut feeling the Jordan chassis will work better. ( shrug...)

[Isamu]

I think Jv is very good at overtaking.
In Austria i remember he was stuffed after the first corner incident. He started in top ten then dropped to near last.

He finished that race in fourth. I remember thinking to myself where did he come from. He overtook a lot of people and i also remeber Brundle commenting on the BAR saying it had been looking good in the last couple of races.


JV is special give him the right car and engine and he will show.

I wonder if JV BAR can win in less than the 5years that the SCHU AND FERRARI combo took. Now that would be great!!!!!!

[Nikolas Garth]

Originally posted by Isamu
I wonder if JV BAR can win in less than the 5years that the SCHU AND FERRARI combo took. Now that would be great!!!!!!

No.

JV will have to go to a better team to win a WDC.

[BuzzingHornet]

I hate to say it but JV won't win anything at BAR, he is completely wasting his time. Emmo Fittipaldi and his
own-brand team spring to mind... big mistake.

[Gruff]

Sorry, Gladiator, I think you've been well and truely stuffed on this one. I mean, if you just gave a name to those 'experts' - even if you made it up (!) - then people may have taken you seriously.

JV won his championship because there were no other serious contenders. MS made a good job out of a bad car. HHF never settled at Williams.

I mean JV couldn't even beat Pedro Diniz at Monza in a more powerful Williams in 97!!! He finished out of the points, as you will recall. He also tried to f|_|ck up the championship in Suzuka, by driving like an idiot while under a non-legitimately grounded appeal. He's trashed his BAR at Montreal twice - being sh|t at your home circuit is not the way of the best driver.

Is it any wonder he share his initials with F1's favourite gravel-trapper?

[Quantor]

Ey Gruff, watch it man... Who had the most overtake actions on his name in 2000?! Who drove more aggressive then any other? Who has a lot topspeedrecords on his name without driving a mclaren/ferrari? Ok, he isn't a topqualifier, but he more then once made that up with superior starts.

Jacques has to be glad he can share the initials with Jos.

Jos's bad name of graveltrapper only resulted from 1 (his first) season in a benetton which was undrivable for any other then Michael Shumacher.

[BuzzingHornet]

No it didn't, he was pretty good in the Benetton it was at Tyrrell, Arrows and Stewart where he started testing out the scenery

[Quantor]

In any case last year he did one hell of a job. Glad he managed to proof him self to be continued as a driver for Arrows in 2001. Only thing I hope is that that darn AMT is any good, little bit scared for that.

[130R]

Everyone needs a great team to win a WDC. Its a team sport.

[Gruff]

Sorry, that Jos remark was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. I actually regard Jos fairly high. I also believe that the year after his Tyrell gravel-trapping record, he actually had the record for the LEAST offs - only crashing out once (in the first race at melborne where he went off backwards if memory serves me).

But regardless of Jos, Villenueve is overrated. Good, but overrated.

[Quantor]

Ok no problem

I also think Jacques is a good driver, but not one of the best. And I don't say Jos is the best, but at least as good as Jacques. The best are/were (from my experience as F1 viewer) of course Senna and (cough) Schumacher.

[Smooth]

Funny that Frank Williams, when talking about young drivers talent, always compares them to Schumacher. Neither Hill, nor JV, seem to be any benchmark to him.

Button Could be Driver of the Decade, Says Williams

Thursday November 16th, 2000

Team owner Frank Williams believes Briton Jenson Button could become the Formula One driver of the decade.

"I think Jenson could be the man of this decade, once Michael (Schumacher) hangs up his hat," Williams said in an interview with Autosport.

"Mind you, there are one or two others, too, who might do that including JPM (Colombian Juan Pablo Montoya)".

Button, 20, enjoyed a highly impressive debut season with Williams this year and became the youngest driver to score points in a Grand Prix.

But the Briton has made way for 1999 CART champion Montoya and is joining Benetton in 2001, although Williams have the right to recall him in 2003.

Williams said Button was "always in total control of himself, in the car and out of it. Super-calm."

Only time would tell whether he had made a mistake in replacing Button with Montoya, Williams said.

"Juan Pablo may match up to Jenson -- may be better, may not be as good. Whatever happens, I won't lose any sleep over it -- I've made plenty of mistakes in my time. Tell you what though, I don't think Juan Pablo will be a mistake."

Button told the Sunday Times newspaper last weekend Benetton would offer him a real chance "to show Frank he was wrong."

"In my heart I think Frank Williams has made a mistake," the Briton said. "We've had a great year and I wish things could have worked out differently."

Williams also said Ralf Schumacher, who partnered Button last season and is staying with the team, "had a few more bad days than he ought to have had" in 2000 but had rarely disappointed in races.

So who rates him as the man to beat of the current grid??

[MrAerodynamicist]

Q: What is the general consenus for the definition of "best F1 racer"? Personally, "Best racer" vs "Best driver" are very different things. I see racer as a subset of driver. Driver is everything - speed, overtaking ability, consistancy, tactical awareness, consistancy, setup ability, etc. I see Racer is a much narrower subset. I guess I see it as a reference to when one driver is behind another(s). they then sets their sight on them, pull out some great laps to catch them before passing them on track. Factors such as consistancy and technical awareness are irrelevant. The best drivers will also tend to be the best racers but there is not a direct correlation between the two.

IMO the greatest racer of the last decade (and a bit!) is clearly Mansell. The best racer of the current lot is a bit moer difficult to decide, ontrack overtaking is harder to judge with modern rules, but Jaxs is up there.

[JayWay]

My definition of racer is more broad.

Simply 90% of on track. Driver is so much more, setup ability, ability to judge circumstance and set a personal strategy. Testing ability. These days even political ability. Fitness, all that stuff.

Racer is just all that stuff cut off, leaving raw driving, car control, overtaking, speed. Just that. In that sense I think maybe Hakkinen could be the best.

[Quantor]

Sorry but I think Hakinnen is just very lucky to drive in a McLaren, that's why he's fast. David Coulthard is also as lucky only Hakinnen knows how to setup the car better and therefore manages to outperform him. Put either JV's in David's car and they will be at least as fast but probably faster as Mika.

Mika = good driver, medium racer
David = medium driver, does he race?
Jacques = medium/good driver, good racer
Jos = medium driver, superb racer
Micheal = suberb driver, superb racer

[JayWay]

Jos? Superb racer? LOL

[Loui]

Jacques is just plain ballsy. Pure and simple!

[RJL]

Well, I guess its left up to me to nominate Alesi under the "racer" category.

[calbars]

Smooth said:

Funny that Frank Williams, when talking about young drivers talent, always compares them to Schumacher. Neither Hill, nor JV, seem to be any benchmark to him.

Maybe because MS never drove for Williams? After all isn't Frank renowned to have "peculiar" relationships with its past drivers?
He seems to care for its drivers as much as Hitchcock cared for its actors...

BTW,no, I would not place Jax up there. Next 2 years will be crucial for him if he wants to get up there.

As for Jos... sure, whatever. Isn't dope legal in Holland btw? [p][Edited by calbars on 02-11-2001]