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[Owen]

Here we go all over again...

7 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
8 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
9 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
10 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
21 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
22 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
23 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
24 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
1 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
2 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
3 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
4 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
1 May 2012 Mugello Circuit
2 May 2012 Mugello Circuit
3 May 2012 Mugello Circuit

[purplejohn]

Here we go all over again...

7 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
8 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
9 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
10 Feb 2012 Circuito Permanente de Jerez
21 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
22 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
23 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
24 Feb 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
1 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
2 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
3 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
4 Mar 2012 Circuit de Catalunya
1 May 2012 Mugello Circuit
2 May 2012 Mugello Circuit
3 May 2012 Mugello Circuit

Days of reading updates and not being able to concentrate on anything else!

[Wi000]

1 May 2012 Mugello Circuit
2 May 2012 Mugello Circuit
3 May 2012 Mugello Circuit

Nearly forgot we've an in-season test next year.
Tuscany is nice that time of year and 2 weeks later there's the Mille Miglia

[Timstr11]

2012 testing actually starts in Abu Dhabi next week.
Hopefully we'll get to see some interesting stuff.

[Timstr11]

Abu Dhabi

Edited by Timstr11, 15 November 2011 - 07:26.

[Stormsky68]

FWs are just getting plain ugly

[F.M.]

Abu Dhabi

Ferrari gathering info on front tyre wake ala McLaren

[BRK]

Looking forward to this testing season, something tells me Red-Bull will not have the outright best car overall for next season, should be interesting.

[Owen]

Looking forward to this testing season, something tells me Red-Bull will not have the outright best car overall for next season, should be interesting.

You do get the sense that defeat this year has been very painful for McLaren and Ferrari. So I think they will respond accordingly.
And you've got MB and their new tech team wanting to make an impression also. I think (or rather hope) the era of dominance by RBR may be drawing to a close.

[bonjon1979a]

Some interesting Williams pics on F1technical - exhausts angled directly at the rear wing, you can kind of see why some teams would want to continue hot blowing etc

[Kubiccia]

Looking forward to this testing season, something tells me Red-Bull will not have the outright best car overall for next season, should be interesting.

My feeling is the opposite. I think Red Bull will trash the others even harder next year. Newey already said they are coming with something new and they are working on 2012 car very early as this years was decided 2-3 months ago for them.

Mclaren will continue with this car development and imo will be trashed by Ferrari as well, who already emulated RBR's FW and will have more aggressive car as said by Tombazis.

[RockyRaccoon68]

Ferrari will have a competitive car next year and Alonso will win the championship

[Anonymous]

Ferrari will have a competitive car next year and Alonso will win the championship

Without a doubt. And I will win the lottery.

[hunnylander]

My feeling is the opposite. I think Red Bull will trash the others even harder next year. Newey already said they are coming with something new and they are working on 2012 car very early as this years was decided 2-3 months ago for them.

Mclaren will continue with this car development and imo will be trashed by Ferrari as well, who already emulated RBR's FW and will have more aggressive car as said by Tombazis.

McLaren has closed the gap to Red Bull and will continue from this.

[grunge]

its all speculation at this moment but i fear RB will be yet stronger next year

[ferrarijon123]

Im not going to predict anything this year/next year as ferrari looked very strong in testing this year and turned up at australia and were well off the pace and the opposite for Mclaren.

[Kubiccia]

McLaren has closed the gap to Red Bull and will continue from this.

Because Mclaren is the only team that keeps pushing this year's car development. Neweys' last effort was to make a package for the low drag races in order to secure the tittle. RBR doesn't have improvements for long time and they are focused on next year's car long ago.

Mclaren will keep this year's car concept to next year while Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull will all go with new "revolutionary" concepts.

In all seriousness, I won't be surprised if Mclaren really struggles next year.

[Szoelloe]

"Im not going to predict anything this year/next year as ferrari looked very strong in testing this year and turned up at australia and were well off the pace and the opposite for Mclaren. "



This^^

I will go with that. Although there are no big changes for next year, the blown diffusor/off-throttle blow ban could - or will, if you wish - tighten up the grid a little bit. At the least I expect a more race-by-race competition for the podium places, with at least 5 teams going for it. Hope dies last.

Edited by Szoelloe, 15 November 2011 - 20:35.

[Szoelloe]

Because Mclaren is the only team that keeps pushing this year's car development. Neweys' last effort was to make a package for the low drag races in order to secure the tittle. RBR doesn't have improvements for long time and they are focused on next year's car long ago.

Mclaren will keep this year's car concept to next year while Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull will all go with new "revolutionary" concepts.

In all seriousness, I won't be surprised if Mclaren really struggles next year.

Ah, no, IMHO you are all wrong here. Mc is ALWAYS traditionally by now, the last team to end development of their car. It has not affected their next campaign so far, I think they are the only team on the grid who are able to do that without losing concentration on their next chassis. Their engineering structure is unique compared to other team's. So I think your's is not a valid deduction. They are just like that, and you have to respect it frankly.
edit for typos

Edited by Szoelloe, 15 November 2011 - 20:51.

[BigCHrome]

Because Mclaren is the only team that keeps pushing this year's car development. Neweys' last effort was to make a package for the low drag races in order to secure the tittle. RBR doesn't have improvements for long time and they are focused on next year's car long ago.

Mclaren will keep this year's car concept to next year while Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull will all go with new "revolutionary" concepts.

In all seriousness, I won't be surprised if Mclaren really struggles next year.

I'm not surprised that you think that McLaren will struggle.

[Red17]

Stupid question: why Mugello? I usually think of it more as a motorcycle track. (not that is a bad thing tho)

[Massa]

I don't know but Mugello is a wonderful track

[Szoelloe]

Stupid question: why Mugello? I usually think of it more as a motorcycle track. (not that is a bad thing tho)

Because it is cheap. It's Ferrari's property, I assume they do not charge much to other teams. I don't know about the weather there at the time of the pplanned test, but if it is acceptable for testing it is quite logical, if you think of it.

[BigCHrome]

Stupid question: why Mugello? I usually think of it more as a motorcycle track. (not that is a bad thing tho)

Isn't it a Ferrari owned track? If so the teams can test there for free. Also it might be so it's not a track that they race at and the weather needs to be good in May.

[Wi000]

Stupid question: why Mugello? I usually think of it more as a motorcycle track. (not that is a bad thing tho)

Because it's a great track with fantastic improved facilities in a great region Tuscany and because Ferrari want F1 there.

[Clatter]

Because it's a great track with fantastic improved facilities in a great region Tuscany and because Ferrari want F1 there.

They have owned it for a long time, have they ever put a bid in to get a GP there?

[Disgrace]

What has Jan Charouz ever done? He must be filthy stinking rich.

[Atreiu]

If you look at the layout you'll see some reasonably long corners left and fight plus quick left right flicks and even a long straight ending in heavy braking. So, besides being cheap (what deal did Ferrari make to convince them?), it should also allow teams to gather significant feedback on many important aspect of a cars performance. And the weather shold be nice. So it seems win/win.

http://www.paul.gilp.../MugelloMap.jpg

BTW, Barrichello did a 239 km/h lap there while testing in 2004. That's basically as fast as Spa!

[Kubiccia]

I'm not surprised that you think that McLaren will struggle.

and I'm not surprised that you think otherwise

Muggelo is a great track with lots of challenging fast corners. Weather should be ok there even in December/Januart

[NoDivergence]

McLaren was stuck with the sidepods since the beginning of this season. I still think we'll see something more interesting from them, more optimized design wise because the original octopus exhaust never panned out. Running fast without the intended design will only give more data for McLaren to learn more about how the airflow reacts around unusual structures like their sidepods. I wouldn't be surprised to see McLaren be right there in the mix with Ferrari struggling

[Wi000]

They have owned it for a long time, have they ever put a bid in to get a GP there?

They are now:

Montezemolo: “Mugello, a Formula 1 facility”

[Red17]

Had completly missed this, I supose it was either this or Ferrari running Fiorano 24/24 again.

But... Luca buying a war with Monza? Or is the San Marino GP coming back?

[Andy865]

The san marino gp at mugello?

Erm.............

[Red17]

The san marino gp at mugello?

Erm.............

The 1st Portuguese MotoGp was run at Jerez. So I dont see why they cannot fix it.

[Clatter]

The san marino gp at mugello?

Erm.............

Doesnt sound any worse than running it at Imola.

[Sazh]

Nearly forgot we've an in-season test next year.
Tuscany is nice that time of year and 2 weeks later there's the Mille Miglia

Me too. Actually when reading OP's post for a moment I thought the championship would start in May or something... But those testing days from may are in-season ones...
Phew!

[Wi000]

Had completly missed this, I supose it was either this or Ferrari running Fiorano 24/24 again.

But... Luca buying a war with Monza? Or is the San Marino GP coming back?

With the new Concorde deal coming up Ferrari are just putting up demands, the financial ones are surely known by FOM, the technical ones were clarified for FIA last week and now location/track is added to the mix.

My guess: 4% of F1 revenue for Ferrari, no three car teams, reduced aero and a GP in Mugello by 2013.

Edited by Wi000, 15 November 2011 - 23:03.

[Atreiu]

I would not mind Mugello GP, but it would ruin the track surface for MotoGP.

[Fastcake]

I think you are massively over reading into Luca saying his circuit is a good place. Honestly I can't see Monza going anywhere, and if we were going to get a second Grand Prix in Italy Bernie never would of called Rome off.

[teejay]

I expect HRT to stun the F1 world and lap the field in Australia next year.

[Clatter]

I would not mind Mugello GP, but it would ruin the track surface for MotoGP.

Why? Plenty of circuits host MotoGP and F1 without any issues.

[Atreiu]

Not really, they complain a lot.
I remember complaints regarding Barcelona and this year Phillip Island (which didn't have F1 but V8 Supercars).
Anyhow, Mugello GP is quite far away.

[Clatter]

Not really, they complain a lot.
I remember complaints regarding Barcelona and this year Phillip Island (which didn't have F1 but V8 Supercars).
Anyhow, Mugello GP is quite far away.

I don't think MotoGP runs on the same track as F1 in Spain, so what was the complaint about?

[BigCHrome]

I don't think MotoGP runs on the same track as F1 in Spain, so what was the complaint about?

The only difference is that MotoGP doesn't use the horrific chicane at the end of the track.

[Clatter]

The only difference is that MotoGP doesn't use the horrific chicane at the end of the track.

My mistake. I was looking at the Spanish MotoGP, forgot they run twice in Spain.

Still like to know what the complaint about F1 is.

[flowerdew]

My mistake. I was looking at the Spanish MotoGP, forgot they run twice in Spain.

Still like to know what the complaint about F1 is.

http://www.bikesport...c...&newsid=430

"Pirelli tyres have been putting down too much rubber, they obviously dont keep it on the tyres and it has to go somewhere. I think it mixes in all the cracks in the tarmac - everywhere Formula One has been is really slippery," said the Aussie.

"Here, on the corners they don't use, it is ok but when they are driving and putting down the rubber it is quite bad. When our tyre temperature isn't coming up high because the track temperature isn't high enough then there's no feeling and it's quite easy to go down."

This is the one complaint I remember from this year.

[Clatter]

http://www.bikesport...c...&newsid=430



This is the one complaint I remember from this year.

Cheers, hadn't seen that.

[Fontainebleau]

My mistake. I was looking at the Spanish MotoGP, forgot they run twice in Spain.

Still like to know what the complaint about F1 is.

They run four times: Barcelona, Valencia, Aragón and Jerez

[BernieEc]

Does anyone know where one can watch the tests on television from the UK

Will Sky be covering it???

[Owen]

Does anyone know where one can watch the tests on television from the UK

Will Sky be covering it???

Doubt it.