46 replies to this topic

[eimin]

Young Argentine driver died today at age of 22 at Turismo Carretera`s Balcarce race.
big crash with a lot of security issues..
RIP Guido

The Accident

[ezequiel]

One of the bigest young talents in Argentine motor racing, killed by the sloth and corruption of the big heads like Oscar Aventín, who think only in their own little business so contributing to the degradation of the local scene in many aspects, including security.
Balcarce, probably one of the most spectacular circuits in the world, needed more than a suspiciously millionaire repaving to allow these cars to race there.

RIP Guido.

[Andrew Hope]

Nasty accident. Maybe some context would help out here, though.

[ezequiel]

And I would like to remember that current TC champion Agustín Canapino also had a nasty accident the day before after a brake failure. Fortunately he was unhurt.

Canapino's accident

[ForzaGTR]

oh man, I just feel sick seeing stuff like this. It's just horrible. I love racing but its dark side is so painful.

I mostly watch F1 and hugely respect the F1 drivers for their bravery but that doesn't even come close to the level of bravery required in series like Falaschi competed in.

I hate this. I don't know maybe they're just insane?

Nothing else I can say other than R.I.P. Guido Falaschi

Edited by Olly F1, 14 November 2011 - 02:00.

[ezequiel]

Just for the record and to avoid any confusion, Falaschi's car is the green and black in the video.

[MattPete]

What type of car are they racing? It looks like some weird offspring of Daytona Prototypes and NASCAR Car of Tomorrow.

[pingu666]

RIP
3 big hits there :/

stunning circuit too

[Seanspeed]

stunning circuit too

Looks like a track from back in the 70's with hardly any driver protection standards in case of a crash.

I think tracks like this are great from a driving standpoint, but drivers lose their lives because of this stuff and its not cool.

Very sad to hear this. Just like races like the Isle of Man TT, I think certain race organizers need to start taking a bit of responsibility for these deaths and do something about it. If you cant make it safer, then STOP. Regardless of the fact that these drivers knowingly put themselves at such risk, we shouldn't have anybody encouraging it.

[Mat]

RIP Guido...

Tracks like this should only be raced on using on iRacing.

[Lukin]

The speed at which the other cars came through after the stop was disgraceful. 15 seconds after the impact they were still coming through way too fast. The accident was huge, there was dust and debris everywhere. Irrespective of the marshalls or warning system, the drivers should know better. The last hit (which would most likely be the one that did th emost damage) was completely unnecessary.

[cheapracer]

Looks like a track from back in the 70's with hardly any driver protection standards in case of a crash.

You will never stop cars ending up in the middle of a track after bouncing off barriers/fencing or even all by themselves without even leaving the tarmac itself.

One answer is to get the driver closer to the center of the car and further from the intrusion rather than just 6" from it.

[Andrew Hope]

I had never heard of this track before but looking at a few track maps and some onboard videos it seems an awesome circuit, a real throwback. I don't think you can really blame the circuit on this one, this accident could've happened anywhere. Stunning to see all those cars bombing through the accident site, though, a huge cloud of dust and cars lying in the middle of the track and looks like most barely lifted.

[H2H]

The speed at which the other cars came through after the stop was disgraceful. 15 seconds after the impact they were still coming through way too fast. The accident was huge, there was dust and debris everywhere. Irrespective of the marshalls or warning system, the drivers should know better. The last hit (which would most likely be the one that did th emost damage) was completely unnecessary.

My words. Of course it is also risky to break hard with other cars coming from behind, but it seemed that the first one kept his foot flat. Terrible impact.

RIP

[rolf123]

The speed at which the other cars came through after the stop was disgraceful. 15 seconds after the impact they were still coming through way too fast. The accident was huge, there was dust and debris everywhere. Irrespective of the marshalls or warning system, the drivers should know better. The last hit (which would most likely be the one that did th emost damage) was completely unnecessary.

yeah, can't believe how people looked to be going at normal racing speed through a huge dust cloud.

[wewantourdarbyback]

RIP, that's a huge accident.

The sad side of our sport hits again

[johnmhinds]

Young Argentine driver died today at age of 22 at Turismo Carretera`s Balcarce race.
big crash with a lot of security issues..
RIP Guido

The Accident

And I would like to remember that current TC champion Agustín Canapino also had a nasty accident the day before after a brake failure. Fortunately he was unhurt.

Canapino's accident

It doesn't look like the general safety at the track was very good.

In both crashes it doesn't seem like the tyre barriers were tied together, and they aren't contained in a conveyer belt.
Both crashes saw the cars bouncing off the dirt bank/concrete wall behind the tyres instead of the crashes being absorbed by the tyres.

So sad to see someone die in a race that probably shouldn't have been happening.

Edited by johnmhinds, 14 November 2011 - 09:43.

[selespeed]

The speed at which the other cars came through after the stop was disgraceful.

this...there is just no excuse for going so fast.

[PayasYouRace]

Young Argentine driver died today at age of 22 at Turismo Carretera`s Balcarce race.
big crash with a lot of security issues..
RIP Guido

The Accident

Very sad. His car took a lot of hits. Guido, I didn't see you race but it's still sad to lose you. There have been too many deaths in racing these past few weeks.



PS. Just want to say it bothers me when non-English speakers say security when they mean safety. I know in Spanish the word is seguridad which translates both ways, but safety and security mean different things in English. Just FYI.

[THE "driverider"]

RIP Guido

Is the track an actual permanent racing facility? Looks like an Irish motorcycle road course.

Edited by THE "driverider", 14 November 2011 - 10:58.

[Rob]

Reminds me of Kieth Odor's fatal accident in the old DTM.

Sad to see someone so young lose their life.

[Jordana]

Too many lives gone within such short period of time... It's really sad.

RIP Guido and all my simpathy towards his family.

[Coral]

Another tragedy. So much sadness in motorsport these days...

R.I.P. Guido

[Tsarwash]

Very Sad. It did seem irresponsible to race through an incident at full speed.

[LucaP]

RIP

Most of the people with the surname "Falaschi" come from my hometown, so I guess he was son of italian immigrants who went from here to Argentina... and this makes it even sadder for me, although I didn't know him...

[OfficeLinebacker]

Condolences to his family and friends.

[ezequiel]

It doesn't look like the general safety at the track was very good.

In both crashes it doesn't seem like the tyre barriers were tied together, and they aren't contained in a conveyer belt.
Both crashes saw the cars bouncing off the dirt bank/concrete wall behind the tyres instead of the crashes being absorbed by the tyres.

So sad to see someone die in a race that probably shouldn't have been happening.

Exactly. You have to add the dust in the road shoulders which made visibility even worse in a blind spot like that one. Dust is a big problem in many Argentine circuits. This is mostly a semi-desertic country and the authorities don't seem to care to demand the track owners to do something about it.

[ezequiel]

What type of car are they racing? It looks like some weird offspring of Daytona Prototypes and NASCAR Car of Tomorrow.

Prototype steel tubular chassis. The cars are inspired in four classic models from Argentne car industry: IKA Torino, Ford Falcon, Chevy Coupé and Dodge Polara.

[Peat]

That circuit looks nuts!

Disgraceful that no-one was slowing for yellows (and the massive cloud of dust). I was waiting for another huge hit.

R.I.P Guido.

[Massa]

Damn. This year is very sad for motor racing.

[Dolph]

The speed at which the other cars came through after the stop was disgraceful. 15 seconds after the impact they were still coming through way too fast. The accident was huge, there was dust and debris everywhere. Irrespective of the marshalls or warning system, the drivers should know better. The last hit (which would most likely be the one that did th emost damage) was completely unnecessary.

+1

[pingu666]

the tyres did what tyres often do, act like a spring. but its not that much different to many many other circuits around the world in that respect.

IMO they should ask nascar for the blueprints for the cot, and adapt that for there series, atleast the center cockpit area, apart from the roof which could be better in the cot anyways.

[AlexS]

Undisciplined drivers or incompetent stewards and the fact that the car got back to the track. No driver seems to back off.

[Slyder]

Undisciplined drivers or incompetent stewards and the fact that the car got back to the track. No driver seems to back off.

Exactly, even after the fatal impact, you still had cars streaking by at over 100mph. It was just inexcusable. More people could've been killed/injured in that one.

Too many live bullets in that gun. Unfortunately they failed to dodge one.

[FredrikB]

Undisciplined drivers or incompetent stewards and the fact that the car got back to the track. No driver seems to back off.

Awful to see. He was t-boned ten seconds after the initial accident.
Yellow flags, signals, radio calls. Where where they?
And how can a driver drive straight in to a cloud of dust at that speed (some 15 seconds and more after the crash)?

RIP young man.

Edited by FredrikB, 15 November 2011 - 08:19.

[johnmhinds]

Awful to see. He was t-boned ten seconds after the initial accident.
Yellow flags, signals, radio calls. Where where they?
And how can a driver drive straight in to a cloud of dust at that speed (some 15 seconds and more after the crash)?

RIP young man.

Wasn't everyone gushing with praise when Raikkonen drove full speed through the smoke at Spa?



Very foolhardy in retrospect.

[FredrikB]

Wasn't everyone gushing with praise when Raikkonen drove full speed through the smoke at Spa?

No.

[Massa]

Wasn't everyone gushing with praise when Raikkonen drove full speed through the smoke at Spa?



Very foolhardy in retrospect.

Perhaps his team tell him in his radio that the track was ok.

[Longtimefan]

Terrible incident indeed.

RIP

[Tenmantaylor]

RIP Guido. Very sad.

Big hit and a broadside. Combination of bad track safety to push his car back out but as said by others, poor reactions from the drivers to slow down.

[Desdirodeabike]

So sad. This is turning into a black year for motorsports. How many is it now? 5? A driver also recently lost his life on the Sao Paolo track, right? And then there were the two guys in the offshore boat race last weekend. And then Wheldon and Sic

[Rob]

So sad. This is turning into a black year for motorsports. How many is it now? 5? A driver also recently lost his life on the Sao Paolo track, right? And then there were the two guys in the offshore boat race last weekend. And then Wheldon and Sic

Don't forget all the other motorcyclists who've lost their lives during the past year, whether at the Isle of Man or on the short circuits.

[Peat]

The combination of the cars, circuits and TV feed makes it look like something from the 80's. I struggled to beleive it was contempory.

[THE "driverider"]

Don't forget all the other motorcyclists who've lost their lives during the past year, whether at the Isle of Man or on the short circuits.

The August weekend when three were lost, two at Manx GP Wayne Hamilton and Adam Easton plus Ben Gautrey at Cadwell Park. There have also been two freestyle motocross riders killed this year, one last week in fact Jeff Kargola and Jim McNeil. American rally driver Martin Marker was also killed this year - RIP to them all

[Rob]

The August weekend when three were lost, two at Manx GP Wayne Hamilton and Adam Easton plus Ben Gautrey at Cadwell Park. There have also been two freestyle motocross riders killed this year, one last week in fact Jeff Kargola and Jim McNeil. American rally driver Martin Marker was also killed this year - RIP to them all

That August weekend was horrible. I found it difficult to watch when Ben Wilson was completely distraught during the podium ceremony and interviews. At the time I was hoping that someone would just go and give him a hug. The poor lad needed it.

[MarkWRX]

I saw this on another forum. Lukin is exactly correct. I don't think the circuit design or safety features had a lot to do with this turning out as bad as it was. I watched the clip a few times and I don't see a lot of marshal stations. During the incident, I see a guy downstream of the incident running toward the edge of the track waving a red flag. But I am sure no one can see him, so he risks making himself a victim too.

What I do see is a lot of racing cars arriving on the scene at pretty much race speed and continuing to race. So I don't know if there were flaggers/marshals signaling an incident and the driver's ignored the flags, or if there wasn't a flag marshal there?

Driver discipline when coming up on an incident is a very important aspect. All of the driver's need to know to aknowledge the flag and then slow to a reasonable speed. They also need to know that his or her fellow competitors will do the same.

In this incident, it looks as if everyone was still racing and not willing to back off because they were afraid of being passed.

My thoughts are with the driver's family and with the other driver's that were involved. I hope that they will learn from this and enforce standards of marshaling and driver response to flags. This didn't have to turn out the way it did.

[Arska]

Wasn't everyone gushing with praise when Raikkonen drove full speed through the smoke at Spa?

I wasn't, I thought he should've at least been taken out of the car for the rest of the weekend... and I am Finnish.