123 replies to this topic

[Mastah]

1. Vettel 241 UP 1
2. Button 200 UP 4
3. Alonso 188 DOWN 2
4. Hamilton 122 DOWN 1
5. Rosberg 90 UP 2
6. Webber 70 DOWN 2
7. Di Resta 44 NEW ENTRY
8. Sutil 38 RE-ENTRY FROM 2009
9. Kovalainen 26 RE-ENTRY FROM 2008
10. Schumacher 23 NEW ENTRY

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96751

[FTATRWeSaluteYou]

Lol at Di Resta's postion in that list.

[Francesc]

Some really overrated drivers in that list. No respect from me to the team principals.

[blackonyx4]

It's all British Illuminati conspiracy, I tell ya.


Team principals should be sack. Forum members knows better.

[purplejohn]

What did Di Resta do this year, name one thing that impressed

[UPRC]

What did Di Resta do this year, name one thing that impressed

He was a pretty decent rookie???

[stillOrange]

Come on. Everybody knows that it was a car that has won the WDC, Button was lucky that Hamilton was unlucky and Ferrari was at best 4th best car and he extracted more than an extra second from it. Principals no nothing, zero, nada, zilch.

Please don't take my post too seriously.

[Fastcake]

Some really overrated drivers in that list. No respect from me to the team principals.

So in other words they disagree with your opinions.

That is a sensible and fair list I reckon. Nice to see Kovalainen getting the recognition he deserves, his performance in Lotus this year has been very good.

[Concorde]

The Di Resta placing is ridiculous, Vettel undisputed and Alonso/Button a close call.

Also good luck to Simon Fuller shopping for a new contract for Lewis Hamilton with this list in his hand,

[purplejohn]

He was a pretty decent rookie???

But he was beat by Sutil who is considered average at best middle of the run driver.

[beute]

diResta in front of sutil

[stillOrange]

Also, don't they know that Schumacher has 7 titles and x wins and drove amazingly in so many races and Rosberg has no wins and is boooooooring ....
Again they know nothing

[Anderis]

The list is pretty good but:
- Hamilton should be a little bit lower. He was visibly beaten by Button and too much crash-prone this year.
- Webber probably should be lower too. He fas too often too far from the limit of his car.
- Di Resta could stay in Top10, but he should be behind Sutil.
But considering that it was a voting from quite large group people, it is pretty close to what should be IMO. Most of other voting giving worse results AFAIR.

[Taxi]

Quite close to mine. Is there any team that needs a Boss?

[paipa]

The list is pretty good but:
- Hamilton should be a little bit lower. He was visibly beaten by Button and too much crash-prone this year.

He was even more visibly beaten by Button on this list too. 4th is just fine. He did win three races after all, gotta give him some credit.

Edited by paipa, 15 December 2011 - 13:39.

[jcbc3]

I can explain the difference between Sutil and di Resta by Mallaya giving the driver he keeps an inordinate amount of points compared with the driver he is about to dump.....

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Edited by jcbc3, 15 December 2011 - 13:44.

[Toml]

Hilarious @ who disagrees with this list!!

It is the team principals opinions making it up.
Forum posters opinions are interesting but not as educated

[Toml]

Also, don't they know that Schumacher has 7 titles and x wins and drove amazingly in so many races and Rosberg has no wins and is boooooooring ....
Again they know nothing

Yeah thats right they know nothing. They should all be fired.

[jcbc3]

Toro Rosso take this for what it is and refuse to participate. What does THAT tell you?

[Toml]

They're going to ditch their drivers and don't want them to be near the top of the list?

[GhostR]

1. Vettel 241 UP 1
2. Button 200 UP 4
3. Alonso 188 DOWN 2
4. Hamilton 122 DOWN 1
5. Rosberg 90 UP 2
6. Webber 70 DOWN 2
7. Di Resta 44 NEW ENTRY
8. Sutil 38 RE-ENTRY FROM 2009
9. Kovalainen 26 RE-ENTRY FROM 2008
10. Schumacher 23 NEW ENTRY

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96751

Looking at not just the position on the list, but also the points they got:

Hamilton - 122 points is too many for a driver who was clearly massively out of sorts through the mid-season, and generated so much work for the stewards.

Webber - not his best year, so position on the table is fair enough (wouldn't put him any higher) - but a 52 point gap to the error-prone & underperforming Hamilton? Nope. Just reinforces that Hamilton has over-achieved on this list.

Where's Alguersuari? Dismal start to the season, sure, but made a strong comeback through the year and finished off strongly.

Kovalainen - deserved more points than that. Absolutely spanked Trulli senseless this year. Good to see it rewarded, but could have been rewarded more - given him the excess points that went to Hamilton!

[kosmos]

Webber and Schumi

[metz]

Quite close to mine. Is there any team that needs a Boss?

Lotus next year.
You get my vote...

[metz]

I would like to see the Drivers rate the Team Principals.

[stillOrange]

Yeah thats right they know nothing. They should all be fired.

I knew I should've added the 'Don't take it seriously' line like in few posts above

[apoka]

But considering that it was a voting from quite large group people, it is pretty close to what should be IMO.

Not that large: "This year's voters were: Horner, Martin Whitmarsh, Stefano Domenicali, Ross Brawn, Eric Boullier, Frank Williams, Vijay Mallya, Peter Sauber, Tony Fernandes, Colin Kolles and John Booth. Scuderia Toro Rosso declined to take part." So 11 people. Were they allowed to vote for their own drivers?

I'd have 6-8 in a different order as well as Button and Alonso swapped, but the list doesn't look too bad.

[tarmac]

Hamilton Webber too high

Ouch Alguersuari and Massa

[Group B]

Di Resta a bit high, but otherwise not unreasonable.

[Rinehart]

Completely agree with the list.

[Toml]

I knew I should've added the 'Don't take it seriously' line like in few posts above

Haha didn't see that. My apologies

[freya]

All those who say hamilton was seriously beaten or owned or whatever... The guy in his worse season still managed to stay close to his team mate, beat him in qualifyings clearly, win 3 races and get the only non RBR poll position of the year and at the end really only beaten by his own state of mind.

Funny how everyone jumps on the media boat.

[Jejking]

I would like to see the Drivers rate the Team Principals.

+1!

[ivand911]

I would like to see the Drivers rate the Team Principals.

Me too.Or we can vote for them, we just need a thread. With the same points system they use for drivers.

Edited by ivand911, 15 December 2011 - 14:13.

[Fastcake]

Toro Rosso take this for what it is and refuse to participate. What does THAT tell you?

That Toro Rosso shouldn't really take part anyway as they don't have a real team principal? Just think Horner casts votes for both teams.

[freya]

Me too.Or we can vote for them, we just need a thread. With the same points system they use for drivers.

Except we know nothing to be able to give a reasonable opinion about team principals. Unless you want to make a poll called "Which TP do you like".

Edited by freya, 15 December 2011 - 14:23.

[Taxi]

Lotus next year.
You get my vote...

Thanks Mate. My first decision is to make Kimi nº 1 driver with a car designed for him. Then will ask Grosjean to ruin Alonso/Webber/Massa/Hamilton races all the time. Then get some 2 or 3 millon euros to my acount just in case i'm fired in the middle of the season.

[metz]

Except we know nothing to be able to give a reasonable opinion about team principles.

I don't think there are any.

[plastik2k9]

So who's this Webber bloke then?

[bauss]

All those who say hamilton was seriously beaten or owned or whatever... The guy in his worse season still managed to stay close to his team mate, beat him in qualifyings clearly, win 3 races and get the only non RBR poll position of the year and at the end really only beaten by his own state of mind.

Funny how everyone jumps on the media boat.

for emphasis

[xtremespeedjunkie]

Wonder what Hamilton fans have to say about Button ahead of Hamilton by a couple of places..

They said MW was against Hamilton , what do they have to say about all other team principals rating Button ahead of Hamilton by a couple of places ?

One thing is clear , apart from his loyal fans , Button is the undisputed top driver at Mclaren..

[plastik2k9]

Wonder what Hamilton fans have to say about Button ahead of Hamilton by a couple of places..

They said MW was against Hamilton , what do they have to say about all other team principals rating Button ahead of Hamilton by a couple of places ?

One thing is clear , apart from his loyal fans , Button is the undisputed top driver at Mclaren..

I don't think anyone will argue with Button being ahead of Hamilton. This season he wasn't as good as Jenson, and he knows it as well as everyone who actually watched the season unfold.

[pingu666]

its f1, only as good as your last race, so they forget the first part of the season when lewis performed/achived as we expect, it was really good till he phoned in at a few races :/, and all the crap happened.

kobashi should be on the list somewhere, imo

[H2H]

The top ten from 2008-2011.


1. Vettel 185.88
2. Hamilton 175.13
3. Alonso 159.88
4. Button 113.38
5. Kubica 93.00
6. Webber 72.00
7. Massa 69.88
8. Di Resta 44.00
9. Barichello 43.75
10. Rosberg 39.5


Could not find the list from 2007, a year without points means a 0 while of course a year out won't get taken into account. There is a bit of a bias towards the lower ranked drivers of the 10-11 period agains the 08-09 one because the pointsystem changed. I multiplied the 08-09 numbers by 2.5, but of course the point base for drivers like Sutil or Trulli is still overall smaller due to the fact that points were only awarded until P8.

[fieraku]

What a crock list. No Kobra no Algie? Might as well put Trulli in there.

Edited by fieraku, 15 December 2011 - 17:36.

[tkulla]

Gotta love this BB. Seriously folks, you'd think this kind of list would be difficult to quibble with, since these guys have a LOT more information to work with than we do. With all their connections they can find out the real scoop about drivers that are on other teams.

You can argue that the criteria isn't well established (best driving, professionalism, value for $$) or something, but otherwise it's hard to argue with this particular poll.

[Lights]

In general it's amusing to see how most post here go on about how certain drivers should be placed lower, while neither they nor myself can think of any drivers that could be filled in as replacements. Conclusion, simply not that many drivers were consistently impressive this season.

[metz]

Gotta love this BB. Seriously folks, you'd think this kind of list would be difficult to quibble with, since these guys have a LOT more information to work with than we do. With all their connections they can find out the real scoop about drivers that are on other teams.

You can argue that the criteria isn't well established (best driving, professionalism, value for $$) or something, but otherwise it's hard to argue with this particular poll.

Flavio once joked that he hoped nobody voted for his drivers.
Helps keep the salary expectations down.

[GX390]

List is about right I reckon

[hammibal]

1. Vettel 241 UP 1
2. Button 200 UP 4
3. Alonso 188 DOWN 2
4. Hamilton 122 DOWN 1
5. Rosberg 90 UP 2
6. Webber 70 DOWN 2
7. Di Resta 44 NEW ENTRY
8. Sutil 38 RE-ENTRY FROM 2009
9. Kovalainen 26 RE-ENTRY FROM 2008
10. Schumacher 23 NEW ENTRY

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/96751

Very close to my top 5 but with Alonso and Button swapped round

Lol at Di Resta's postion in that list.

I agree Sutil clearly beat di Resta

Looking at not just the position on the list, but also the points they got:

Hamilton - 122 points is too many for a driver who was clearly massively out of sorts through the mid-season, and generated so much work for the stewards.

Webber - not his best year, so position on the table is fair enough (wouldn't put him any higher) - but a 52 point gap to the error-prone & underperforming Hamilton? Nope. Just reinforces that Hamilton has over-achieved on this list.

Where's Alguersuari? Dismal start to the season, sure, but made a strong comeback through the year and finished off strongly.

Kovalainen - deserved more points than that. Absolutely spanked Trulli senseless this year. Good to see it rewarded, but could have been rewarded more - given him the excess points that went to Hamilton!

Webber was humiliated by Vettel this year only one win against Vettel's 11 wins plus Vettel had the record number of pole positions helped by no competition from Webber, whilst Lewis had the same amount of wins as Jenson with 3 wins, 2 more than Webber, plus he consistently was better than Jenson in qualifying, Webber underperformed massively.

[onewingedangel]

Some observations:


1. Vettel 241/11=21.91 (had at least 7 #1 picks - likely 7 first, 2 second and 2 third places) average less than 25 because nobody is perfect.

2. Button 200/11=18.18 - average slightly above 18 - so had at least one #1 pick (possibly 2x#1,5x#2 and 4x#3)

3. Alonso 188/11=17.09 - average above 15 - so a few picks at #2 or higher - (likely picked up at least one #1 pick, I suspect 2x#1, 3x#2,4x#3 and 2x#4)


If my guesses are right, no team principle would have put anyone other than Vettel, Button or Alonso in their top 2, and only one other driver would have got into a top 3.
The number of possible combinations for the drivers with lower scores is much greater so it's not really worth speculating on the specifics.


4. Hamilton 122/11=11.09 - average below 12 - some rated him lower than forth (at least two if Alonso had 2x#4's)

5. Rosberg 90/11=8.18 - average below 10 - some rated lower than fifth

6. Webber 70/11=6.36 - average below 8 - some rated lower than sixth

7. Di Resta 44/11=4 - average below 6 - some rated lower than seventh

8. Sutil 38/11=3.45 - average below 4 - some rated lower than eighth

9. Kovalainen 26/11=2.36 average above 2 - some rated higher than ninth

10. Schumacher 23/11=2.09 - average above 1 - some ranked him higher than tenth

Edited by onewingedangel, 15 December 2011 - 23:03.