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[Visionz]

do I have to explain myself.. I mean, a couple of years ago I waited impatiently to see the new improved cars that always looked hot.
Now it`s almost like having to settle with an ugly girl whos still nice but.. What the hell are they thinking..? they always say, "the sound
must remain untouched".. the looks are at least as important as the sound.

Here for some good memories

http://www.kalitelir...honda_ra107.jpg

http://desdirodeabik...1/05/2237-2.jpg

:`|

*sniff*

[Ferrari_F1_fan_2001]

I think the cars from 2001-2006 were the best looking of the current 'modern' F1 era. You could get a Ferrari F2002 or a Mclaren MP4-19 and put it onto todays 2012 grid and it would look more modern, sleek and sexier than anything else.

[Boing 2]

Haven't seen a 'Hot' car since 95

[Boing Ball]

Haven't seen a 'Hot' car since 95

And even this beauty was spoiled by the narrow rear tyres mandated from 1993 onwards.

[KoezhVukotic]

do I have to explain myself.. I mean, a couple of years ago I waited impatiently to see the new improved cars that always looked hot.
Now it`s almost like having to settle with an ugly girl whos still nice but.. What the hell are they thinking..? they always say, "the sound
must remain untouched".. the looks are at least as important as the sound.

Here for some good memories

http://www.kalitelir...honda_ra107.jpg

http://desdirodeabik...1/05/2237-2.jpg

:`|

*sniff*

That Honda looks gorgeous in its testing colours!

[LoudHoward]

*creates thread with decent point about current cars looking ugly*

*uses the following car to show when cars looked "good"*

[BRK]

They are quite ugly but I'm sure I'll get used to them. I hated the look with the grooves when they were introduced but by 2008 I loved the cars+tyres. Only took a decade..

[saudoso]

Where one shoud yell at F1 management? Try a twitter #uglyf1 TT?

[stevewf1]

F1 cars have looked like Turds (albeit very efficient Turds) for a long time now...

[FenderJaguar]

I think they look better this year than for some time.

[PretentiousBread]

I think they look better this year than for some time.

That's like saying I love the broken nose look on a chick.

[g1n]

That Honda looks gorgeous in its testing colours!

He didn't use that image, the one he did use though is pretty damn good looking, you have failed sir.

Edited by g1n, 07 February 2012 - 11:53.

[BillyWhizz]

do I have to explain myself.. I mean, a couple of years ago I waited impatiently to see the new improved cars that always looked hot.
Now it`s almost like having to settle with an ugly girl whos still nice but.. What the hell are they thinking..? they always say, "the sound
must remain untouched".. the looks are at least as important as the sound.

No. I agree wholeheartedly. The boxer's nose cars are, in my own opinion, plain and simply ghastly.

The story of Emperor's New Clothes come to mind.

[ForzaGTR]

The Mclaren looks stunning, although I'm not sure if the supreme ugliness of the others cars is clouding my judgement.

[bub]

I don't care as long as the performance is good and the racing is entertaining. Must be missing the part of the brain that wants everything to look pretty.

[ViMaMo]

Got used to the ugly rear wings
Got to get used to ugly duck noses now.

Should FIA also start thinking of aesthetics ?

[Watkins74]

I think your two examples of good looking cars were no beauties.

[GSiebert]

F1s look like **** since 2009, they are even worse now (except the Mclaren which looks like **** only as much as last year).

[Woody3says]

I think the FIA went the right direction in banning all the appendages hanging off the cars. But then they went and ruined it with the horrid wing proportions and now the resulting broken noses. I'd rather have the appendages back than the wings and nose......

I have not and will not "get used to it" either on both accounts. The rules being so biased towards aero has bastardized the aesthetic looks of what used to be sleek and sexy machines.

[FenderJaguar]

I neved did like the change that was in 1998 when the cars got "thinner" and had grooved tires, and I didn't like the small wings that came around 2006 something. I think the cars are starting to look aggressive again. The Force India have a beautiful shape (but ugly colours) and some of the others too. McLaren looks nice. Lotus looks nice. Red Bull looks OK. Ferrari isn't that nice...

[Tract1on]

You sir need to wash your mouth out
The thread title is offensive and shows no class

do I have to explain myself.. I mean, a couple of years ago I waited impatiently to see the new improved cars that always looked hot.
Now it`s almost like having to settle with an ugly girl whos still nice but.. What the hell are they thinking..? they always say, "the sound
must remain untouched".. the looks are at least as important as the sound.

Here for some good memories

http://www.kalitelir...honda_ra107.jpg

http://desdirodeabik...1/05/2237-2.jpg

:`|

*sniff*

[jj2728]

F1 cars have looked like Turds (albeit very efficient Turds) for a long time now...

Copyright JAG

[Bloggsworth]

You can't see the ugly from where the driver's sit...

[Bloggsworth]

The Mclaren looks stunning, although I'm not sure if the supreme ugliness of the others cars is clouding my judgement.

The McLaren looks like the only car that was designed for this year's regulations as opposed to having been adapted.

[4MEN]

Haven't seen a 'Hot' car since 95

Agree, one of my all time favourites.


The engine in fire at Monzaaaaaaaaa.....



By the way, can someone explain to me the difference in safety between nose profiles A & B or may I ask FIA?

Edited by 4MEN, 07 February 2012 - 13:16.

[chrisblades85]

Must be the best title to a thread I've seen on here. And so true.

[slideways]

4MEN, the change is about avoiding nose to helmet collisions in a side on impact. That picture doesn't actually depict the regulations.

[4MEN]

4MEN, the change is about avoiding nose to helmet collisions in a side on impact. That picture doesn't actually depict the regulations.

I know, but the picture show that the "step" is useless in safety terms.

[slideways]

It's not useless in safety terms.

[BoozeBaron]

For those of us that are (fairly) "new" to F1 (<2007) - I was raised on grooved tyres, traction control, wide rear wings and somewhat reasonable noses and fronts - The winglets did get a bit absurd at times... but this was my personal fave .....


mclaren-1 by BoozeBaron, on Flickr

[saudoso]

It's not useless in safety terms.

And you claim that on what grounds?

[BenettonB192]

Not a fan of the new nose look but i think i'll get used to it. I believe over time the bump will become more and more aerodynamicaly shaped and interesting. It looks the worst on the cars where its just an featureless angle right now.

[slideways]

And you claim that on what grounds?

It serves a purpose, which is avoiding nose to helmet collisions.

[saudoso]

It serves a purpose, which is avoiding nose to helmet collisions.

That would be the height of the tip. Writing the rules in a way to produce the hump helps nothing. McLaren did it the way the rule should be.

[saudoso]

Not a fan of the new nose look but i think i'll get used to it. I believe over time the bump will become more and more aerodynamicaly shaped and interesting. It looks the worst on the cars where its just an featureless angle right now.

One might end his days as a bum and get used to it. But it's not a good idea.

[Visionz]

You sir need to wash your mouth out
The thread title is offensive and shows no class

I already wash it twice a day thank you.. the problem is, that the cars are offensively ugly.. the title speaks the truth and hopefully provokes conversation.
YES - the FIA should have a team dedicated to the affects of regulation changes on aesthetics.. I`m sure they can slow the cars down but keep them sleek at the same time.

Edited by Visionz, 07 February 2012 - 14:26.

[the9th]

I know, but the picture show that the "step" is useless in safety terms.

Yes, it is. Like that picture shows.
The FIA (and maybe chez Mac) must have thought everyone would go the McWay, make more of a compromise.
We have to remember that the return to lower noses is being phased in and in two years time regulations will be stricter, with that aim in view.

[Santosdf]

The Mclaren looks stunning, although I'm not sure if the supreme ugliness of the others cars is clouding my judgement.

exactly

[slideways]

That would be the height of the tip. Writing the rules in a way to produce the hump helps nothing. McLaren did it the way the rule should be.

You are ignoring the point. The rule will avoid nose to helmet contact, so it's a safety improvement. It looks horrible, and there would be better ways to implement that goal, but it achieves the same purpose.

[sharo]

You are ignoring the point. The rule will avoid nose to helmet contact, so it's a safety improvement. It looks horrible, and there would be better ways to implement that goal, but it achieves the same purpose.

So how much according to you the tips of the noses are lower than last year?

[BenettonB192]

One might end his days as a bum and get used to it. But it's not a good idea.

This is F1. Changes that make the cars "ugly" always come around every few years. And always i get used to it. Often the look even grows on me.
Don't know know why it should be different this time.

[slideways]

So how much according to you the tips of the noses are lower than last year?

According to the technical regs, 75mm.

That diagram posted is not accurate.

[Linus27]

I like the broken nose look. I must be the only person here that does.

[wingwalker]

Bmw 2009 car was seriously ugly, but I wasn't a fan of 2008 aero-gone-mad cars as I felt all those bits cover the actual car, but are not a part of it.


Recent Red Bulls are lovely looking and I'd consider them among all time bests if not for the rear wing proportions.


But yeah, the 2012 nose trend is a total fail in terms of visuals. I honestly do look the look of 2012 Ferrari from about every angle that hides the drop, but with that visible it's just yuuuuuck.


and yes, someone please explain how this design is safer and why.

[faaaz]

You see a lot of older guys coming here and posting photos of cars from the 70s or 80s...But really, that is just nostalgia, and just because you grew up watching F1 in that era does not necessary mean those cars are beautiful. Kids watching F1 now will grow up and say 30 years later that the 2012 car was great looking. Its all subjective at the end...in saying that, I find the 2012 cars immensely disgusting. But you don't have to go back to the 70s to find a decent looking car...I think the late 80s and early part of the last decade Mclarens looked good.

Its comical to see people coming here posting photos of cars from the 70s...making it out as if their opinion on beauty is a fact.

[saudoso]

You are ignoring the point. The rule will avoid nose to helmet contact, so it's a safety improvement. It looks horrible, and there would be better ways to implement that goal, but it achieves the same purpose.

You are ignoring the point of all the bitching. No one is complaining the the nose got pushed down. For what I care it should be put down there with the reference plane.

The idiocy comes from the way it was done. They should have lowered all the tube ahead of the steering wheel, not just half of it.

[the9th]

I see a lot of beauty in these cars. It almost makes the new silverBore Mclaren look too bland and you Mc fans know it!
Your girlfriends and boyfriends won't dump you coz F1 has an ugly nose. Ok, they might.

[saudoso]

You see a lot of older guys coming here and posting photos of cars from the 70s or 80s...But really, that is just nostalgia, and just because you grew up watching F1 in that era does not necessary mean those cars are beautiful. Kids watching F1 now will grow up and say 30 years later that the 2012 car was great looking. Its all subjective at the end...in saying that, I find the 2012 cars immensely disgusting. But you don't have to go back to the 70s to find a decent looking car...I think the late 80s and early part of the last decade Mclarens looked good.

Its comical to see people coming here posting photos of cars from the 70s...making it out as if their opinion on beauty is a fact.

You can test it. Take a picture of todays Ferrari ans FiF1 and another of the McLaren and show to a 10 yo kid. Tell me his pick.

This is a bad trend, the rule patching is sending the cars' looks in a crazy spiral to the floor. And don't fool yourself, aesthetics have to do with people hooking on the sport and this year's harvest wont help much, must be the all time ugliest.

They have to stop, take a deep breath and say hell with the diffuser and start things over.

[the9th]

You can test it. Take a picture of todays Ferrari ans FiF1 and another of the McLaren and show to a 10 yo kid. Tell me his pick.

Kid won't know the difference. He'll probably pick the Ferrari - it's a more aggressive design.

[saudoso]

Kid won't know the difference. He'll probably pick the Ferrari - it's a more aggressive design.

Try it then.