271 replies to this topic

[dave34m]

Of course it doesn't. It looks bloody stupid. I'd rather not see the car at all than with that monstrosity attached. I'm also less than enamoured with the current vogue for attaching clip on cameras to roll bars.

Geez, complain much

[David Beard]

I also wonder if the roll-over bar REALLY needs to be that high?

I think it would actually offer more safety if it was lower. Imagine the car skidding along upside down. A less tall rollover bar would have less leverage on its mountings and lower tubing members. Or am I stating the obvious?

[Simon Hadfield]

I think it would actually offer more safety if it was lower. Imagine the car skidding along upside down. A less tall rollover bar would have less leverage on its mountings and lower tubing members. Or am I stating the obvious?

Absolutely right, David, in fact one (very senior) member of the FIA safety commission said that he would be would be worried about the car falling off its roll hoop once it had been upside down.........

[Belmondo]

A bit of rough "photoshopping" helps !!

You forgot the shadow.

[rwills]

Unfortunately most of the competitors would agree that we hate to have to install these awful contraptions on our beautiful cars. But the application of the rules are very strict at a place like Monaco and there was no way to get out of it. Some owners chose not to bring their cars rather than install the required roll-over hoops - JC Decaux's Ferrari for example. And then what happens - everyone misses out on seeing these fantastic cars. Monaco and other events would be a lot less special if many of the great cars were not there. So I assume the comment from Dutchy was tongue-in-cheek as that is what will happen unless owners agree to install the required hoops.

[Simon Hadfield]

Unfortunately most of the competitors would agree that we hate to have to install these awful contraptions on our beautiful cars. But the application of the rules are very strict at a place like Monaco and there was no way to get out of it. Some owners chose not to bring their cars rather than install the required roll-over hoops - JC Decaux's Ferrari for example. And then what happens - everyone misses out on seeing these fantastic cars. Monaco and other events would be a lot less special if many of the great cars were not there. So I assume the comment from Dutchy was tongue-in-cheek as that is what will happen unless owners agree to install the required hoops.

Except, Roger, there is no requirement to have any roll hoop on this type of car. One supposes that the owner, or the good Beppe, wanted it. At that point, as David Beard pointed out, the solution to the problem was rather less than elegant, either structually or aesthetically.

Edited by Simon Hadfield, 07 June 2012 - 13:49.

[rwills]

Except, Roger, there is no requirement to have any roll hoop on this type of car. One supposes that the owner, or the good Beppe, wanted it. At that point, as David Beard pointed out, the solution to the problem was rather less than elegant, either structually or aesthetically.

Yes, that is right for this particular car Simon.

Having had a serious and life threatening accident in an early grand prix car, I wouldn't blame anyone for installing a roll hoop.

The aesthetics of this particular example are of course not fantastic!

[IanMH]

***fluff alert***

some of you chaps place too much importance on race car aesthetics...although I agree that roll hoop spoils the looks...I have come up with an idea that is more functional and pleasing to the eye...although it may add a few kilos...























Cheers Ian

[Barry Boor]

A bit like the way modern F.1 driver safety is heading.

[David McKinney]

Make a note to call this thread up again in ten years, Ian...

[David Beard]

***fluff alert***

some of you chaps place too much importance on race car aesthetics...although I agree that roll hoop spoils the looks...I have come up with an idea that is more functional and pleasing to the eye...although it may add a few kilos...



Cheers Ian

Brilliant!

Edited by David Beard, 07 June 2012 - 21:22.

[Macca]

On another forum, Nigel Corner (whose views are infinitely more relevant than any of ours!), commenting on the 'flying man' photo of him at Goodwood, said that anyone who wants modern rollover/safety cages, harnesses and HANS in an old front-engined single-seater is in the wrong sort of motor-sport and should stick to modern stuff.

Paul M

[rwills]

On another forum, Nigel Corner (whose views are infinitely more relevant than any of ours!), commenting on the 'flying man' photo of him at Goodwood, said that anyone who wants modern rollover/safety cages, harnesses and HANS in an old front-engined single-seater is in the wrong sort of motor-sport and should stick to modern stuff.

Paul M

He may have a different opinion if he had been sat in this - rear engined but nevertheless:



The hoop saved my life.

[john ruston]

Not to many Nigel Corner type people involved these days especially in States.

The best days of Historic Motorsport as a pastime are behind us(along with I suppose with the best days of GP/F! racing)

The day they tell us to fit all this stuff in Pre War cars will be the time to shut shop.

There are enough problems with FIA over these FIA papers.Pity they didn't have digital cameras in Brooklands Paddock.

[dwh43scale]

A few Johnny come lately snaps (unadulterated) from the Tabac grandstand on Sunday. Thoroughly enjoyed first visit and will return (earlier next time to get a better position from the top of the grandstand !).

Rain was inconvenient but provides a different short of photo with spray and darker tarmac to shoot against.

[Barry Boor]

Brave man to have toughed it out. Some lesser mortals turned tail and headed for the hills (well, Nice, anyway.)

[David Birchall]

The sports car race was won, by about a fortnight, by this car:



but it would have been nice if there had been an entry, just one, that could lap within a few seconds of this car. They must be out there somewhere, surely?

I just found this on the intraweb which gives a bit more perspective:

As a fan of this type of car I found this very entertaining!
Edit: but he obviously had a lonely race and according to the comments dnf'd...

Edited by David Birchall, 23 June 2012 - 17:41.

[Barry Boor]

Nice video but it underlined my comment. The bronze Jaguar was virtually out of sight by the end of lap one.

[RogerFrench]

Make a note to call this thread up again in ten years, Ian...

Mercifully, the picture will have disappeared by then.

[layabout]

Courtesy of Howden Ganley, here's a photo of the T51 with the man who, along with Noddy Grohman, worked on it back in the day: Mike Barney

[layabout]

In the pre-WW2 race the old Henry Ford quip was appropriate; you can have any colour you like....



...as long as it's black. (Actually, of the first six cars only five were black - the other was a very, very dark blue.)

There should have been a lovely red Maserati in there but it non-started after practice problems.

From L-R: Ted Williams, winner Julian Bronson & Howden:

[layabout]

Here's another shot from Monaco of Howden with the P180/2 he drove back in the day, along with owner Robs Lamplough & Reine Wisell. As a side note, Howden is in the midst of a restoration of the Ganley F1 car & will be running it next year in selected events.