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#151 seahawk

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 06:49

http://peterwindsor....lona-testing-2/

good observations


Excellent link, which gives us a great insight into the driver skills :clap: :clap: I love how he describes Lewis´s godlike driving. :clap: :clap:

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#152 NoDivergence

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:10

What was that all about i've never heard of it?
Agree that peter can be abit OTT and says things that make him sound like he's talking BS.


It's a long used term regarding how you approach the limit of grip. Not sure if it truly applies with today's level of driving theory

#153 Jovanotti

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:35

horrible observations for my taste. Instead of analysing the cars, Windsor prefer to hype certain drivers, ie LH, and does some very ridiculous "analysis".

What does he knows about driving technique to make such remarks? I think he's just pleasing the masses and saying what the mayority of people wanna hear, ie LH is great.

Absolutely useless insights and I regret to have read it


Maybe a bit harsh, but I fully agree with you here. If Windsor understands as much of F1 driving technique as he pretends in his articles, he should consider using another language, cause now you have to think he is just a noob who claims to see more than there actually is, hiding it with an ornate writing style.

Another thing he doesn't seem to understand (considering his observations from the Jerez test) is that quite naturally, different drivers use different lines through corners - with none of them being necessarily better or worse than others! The best example I can think of is Räikkönens Silverstone pole 2004, where Brundle mentions that he takes a much wider line through Club Corner than Schumacher - I guess Windsor would have come up with something like "giving away 70cm at the exit, and hereinafter losing 60, maybe 65 rpm". I doubt he has access to telemetry, and even if he has, he still doesnt know anything about exact fuel loads and various other settings from the car.

Honestly, how can you compare Hamilton in the McLaren, arguably one of the best cars 2012, to Alonso in a still very unsettled Ferrari? Does Windsor say Alonso, of all drivers the one who had a monster of a qualy lap in Barcelona last year, doesn't know how to drive? Come on...

Edited by Jovanotti, 22 February 2012 - 08:08.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 07:56

Honestly, how can you compare Hamilton in the McLaren, arguably one of the best cars 2012, to Alonso in a still very unsettled Ferrari? Does Windsor say Alonso, of all drivers the one who had a monster of a qualy lap in Barcelona last year, doesn't now how to drive? Come on...

This topic is for getting feedback about the handlings of the cars. Because they may tell more than the lap times.

How a driver can drive a car may say a lot about his car too.

#155 Jovanotti

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:17

This topic is for getting feedback about the handlings of the cars. Because they may tell more than the lap times.

How a driver can drive a car may say a lot about his car too.


Well of course, but PW clearly implies that Hamiltons driving was the one and only factor for going around the corner better than Alonso, doesnt he?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:25

With comments like this :

"Given the radius that Fernando would proscribe, how did Lewis get the McLaren’s nose to tuck into Three? By superbly soft initial steering inputs and velvety use of the throttle. "

how can anyone take PW seriously ...


Dig thro the flour and you might find useful track side observations - (he saw) the Mclaren able to brake later and turn in harder, that suggests to me two things: i) at that moment of comparison* the Mclaren had more absolute grip, and ii) the car had better balance.

*caveat that with saying we don't know what the comparable loads, tyres or the set up was.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:25

Maybe a bit harsh, but I fully agree with you here. If Windsor understands as much of F1 driving technique as he pretends in his articles, he should consider using another language, cause now you have to think he is just a noob who claims to see more than there actually is, hiding it with an ornate writing style.

Another thing he doesn't seem to understand (considering his observations from the Jerez test) is that quite naturally, different drivers use different lines through corners - with none of them being necessarily better or worse than others! The best example I can think of is Räikkönens Silverstone pole 2004, where Brundle mentions that he takes a much wider line through Club Corner than Schumacher - I guess Windsor would have come up with something like "giving away 70cm at the exit, and hereinafter losing 60, maybe 65 rpm". I doubt he has access to telemetry, and even if he has, he still doesnt know anything about exact fuel loads and various other settings from the car.

Honestly, how can you compare Hamilton in the McLaren, arguably one of the best cars 2012, to Alonso in a still very unsettled Ferrari? Does Windsor say Alonso, of all drivers the one who had a monster of a qualy lap in Barcelona last year, doesn't know how to drive? Come on...

Firstly, Windsor does not comment on minute differences like 70cm. He comments about visible differences... A good couple of metres etc.

He is also not comparing Alonso to Hamilton but rather the different way they approach the corner and which to him seems ultimately better. For all we know Hamilton really has that curve down to a science but Alonso might make up time somewhere else on the circuit. If you don't like what or how he writes don't read it but don't brush it off as rubbish because you were not there and can't offer a different opinion.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:29

Well of course, but PW clearly implies that Hamiltons driving was the one and only factor for going around the corner better than Alonso, doesnt he?

Yes, and there is nothing wrong with that. He even goes on to explain his thinking in that Alonso was on the power earlier but would lose out on exit speed due to load on car whereas Hamilton preperation allowed for a starighter exit and hence less load moving on to the straight. Furthermore he doesn't say with absolute certainty that Hamilton's line is the quickest. He says "I dare say."

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:30

Firstly, Windsor does not comment on minute differences like 70cm. He comments about visible differences... A good couple of metres etc.


Well just recently he noted how at Jerez Räikkönen turned in for turn 4 about meter later than Webber and Schumahcer and drifted wide too early for that, he went further to note that under steer Räikkönen might pin it on would only be a lame excuse. So he does actually dwell in quite a bit of detail and is presumptuous as hell.

Edited by Oho, 22 February 2012 - 08:37.


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#160 Ferrari2183

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:52

Well just recently he noted how at Jerez Räikkönen turned in for turn 4 about meter later than Webber and Schumahcer and drifted wide too early for that, he went further to note that under steer Räikkönen might pin it on would only be a lame excuse. So he does actually dwell in quite a bit of detail and is presumptuous as hell.

Well, a meter is a far cry from 70cm isn't it... It is about a quarter of the cars length so to a keen eye it is definitely visible. His presumption about Kimi blaming understeer is off the mark though and clearly presumptuous.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:53

Sorry. Maybe I'm being cynical. But the reaction here seems to be more around his somewhat overly gushing praise of L. Hamilton. Would some of you have been that riled if it had been on another driver (as it has been many times in the past)? Infact, would you have even noticed it? I doubt it...... very much.

It's a shame really - because there are some valid trackside observations of both cars and drivers alike in there..... which is the title of this once unflamed thread...... Although I have to say that the style of writing is perhaps not my cup of tea and a result it takes a little bit of sifting to get a better understanding.


Maybe the title of the thread should be: Track Observations for Winter 2012 testing*

* Just don't mention the H word

Edited by maverick69, 22 February 2012 - 08:56.


#162 jrg19

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 08:58

Sorry. Maybe I'm being cynical. But the reaction here seems to be more around his somewhat overly gushing praise of L. Hamilton. Would some of you have been that riled if it had been on another driver (as it has been many times in the past)? I doubt it...... very much.

It's a shame really - because there are some valid trackside observations of both cars and drivers alike in there..... which is the title of this once unflamed thread...... Although I have to say that the style of writing is perhaps not my cup of tea and a result it takes a little bit of sifting to get a better understanding.


Maybe the title of the thread should be: Track Observations for Winter 2012 testing*

* Just don't mention the H word


another title it could have:

Track Observations for winter 2012 testing but if Hamilton does well or his car looks good attack it for all its worth, Its ok if Alonso or Vettel look quick though feel free to discuss that.

#163 Jovanotti

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:03

Well just recently he noted how at Jerez Räikkönen turned in for turn 4 about meter later than Webber and Schumahcer and drifted wide too early for that, he went further to note that under steer Räikkönen might pin it on would only be a lame excuse. So he does actually dwell in quite a bit of detail and is presumptuous as hell.


Thx, that what I was alluding to.

Well, a meter is a far cry from 70cm isn't it... It is about a quarter of the cars length so to a keen eye it is definitely visible.


My sentence about 70cm and 60 rpm was of course meant to be a parody - a main characteristic of a parody is exaggeration of the features of it's subject, so will you please forgive me my cockiness. And actually, I was quite generous with Windsor: he said "maybe 50 rpm lost". ;)

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:08

Sorry. Maybe I'm being cynical. But the reaction here seems to be more around his somewhat overly gushing praise of L. Hamilton. Would some of you have been that riled if it had been on another driver (as it has been many times in the past)? Infact, would you have even noticed it? I doubt it...... very much.

It's a shame really - because there are some valid trackside observations of both cars and drivers alike in there.....


I think you're cynical. The amount of observations related to the cars could have been combined into few simple sentences. Rest was just, well, not that interesting from the point of view of analyzing the current pecking order. It really would have made no difference whether the person praised the most was Lewis, Fernando, Seb or whoever.

#165 Raifosa

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:18

Sorry. Maybe I'm being cynical. But the reaction here seems to be more around his somewhat overly gushing praise of L. Hamilton. Would some of you have been that riled if it had been on another driver (as it has been many times in the past)? Infact, would you have even noticed it? I doubt it...... very much.

It's a shame really - because there are some valid trackside observations of both cars and drivers alike in there..... which is the title of this once unflamed thread...... Although I have to say that the style of writing is perhaps not my cup of tea and a result it takes a little bit of sifting to get a better understanding.


Maybe the title of the thread should be: Track Observations for Winter 2012 testing*

* Just don't mention the H word

good post and I want to agree with everything you say but isn't that basically what you Macca (and Ferrari) fans are doing with AMuS? Getting riled up and dismissing everything they report because they looove Vettel?

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:26

good post and I want to agree with everything you say but isn't that basically what you Macca (and Ferrari) fans are doing with AMuS? Getting riled up and dismissing everything they report because they looove Vettel?


Hey man. I'm not going to deny have have my likes and dislikes - and that influences how I perceive things and how I post on this forum.

However, I like to think that I can spot a load of bollocks when I see it - and a lot of the AMuS stuff of late has been so skewed it makes no sense. A lot of the stuff they have written clearly has been fabricated to suit their home market (not like that's a crime).

What Windsor wrote was in the spirit of this thread and he was actually, low and behold, trackside - yet some people have dismissed it out of hand.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:38

good post and I want to agree with everything you say but isn't that basically what you Macca (and Ferrari) fans are doing with AMuS? Getting riled up and dismissing everything they report because they looove Vettel?

AMuS has some very good pieces but what they said yesterday defies belief... Implying that aero measurements done on the 5 day (with only the pitot tube on the car) suggests that Ferrari are in trouble. Only to find that Red Bull and McLaren were running rakes on the diffuser...

I personally don't dismiss articles but to assume DOOM when teams are testing with apparatus during the testing season is f@cking crazy and to top it all off they assume to to know the gaps between the teams and their fuel loads. Go and ask any engineer in the paddock and he will tell who looks the goods and who doesn't but he will never tell you the time gaps between teams because he just doesn't know. But AMuS does!

Edited by Ferrari2183, 22 February 2012 - 09:40.


#168 Raifosa

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:00

AMuS has some very good pieces but what they said yesterday defies belief... Implying that aero measurements done on the 5 day (with only the pitot tube on the car) suggests that Ferrari are in trouble. Only to find that Red Bull and McLaren were running rakes on the diffuser...

I personally don't dismiss articles but to assume DOOM when teams are testing with apparatus during the testing season is f@cking crazy and to top it all off they assume to to know the gaps between the teams and their fuel loads. Go and ask any engineer in the paddock and he will tell who looks the goods and who doesn't but he will never tell you the time gaps between teams because he just doesn't know. But AMuS does!

I don't deny that they make a lot of assumptions. But that's what every media does during testing. Some have inside sources some use their psychic ability :drunk: . I take everything with a picnh of salt. But my point here was the double standards used ; defending PW's right to publish his thoughts and assumptions when others claim he's biased towards a specific driver and then ridiculing other media for basically doing the same.

Can you please give me a link to the article where AMuS claimed they know fuel loads? Because the only reference to fuel loads I saw, was yesterday in their Live-ticker. They were comparing Lewis and Hulk's times pointing out the different tyres but also said that 'we have no idea of course, of what the fuel loads are'.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:11

I don't deny that they make a lot of assumptions. But that's what every media does during testing. Some have inside sources some use their psychic ability :drunk: . I take everything with a picnh of salt. But my point here was the double standards used ; defending PW's right to publish his thoughts and assumptions when others claim he's biased towards a specific driver and then ridiculing other media for basically doing the same.

Can you please give me a link to the article where AMuS claimed they know fuel loads? Because the only reference to fuel loads I saw, was yesterday in their Live-ticker. They were comparing Lewis and Hulk's times pointing out the different tyres but also said that 'we have no idea of course, of what the fuel loads are'.


In that case, virtually every post on this entire forum is subject to double standards.

The fact is, like I said, that PW was actually trackside, which is the thrust of this thread - but his observations were dismissed outright.

Edited by maverick69, 22 February 2012 - 10:14.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 10:16

I don't deny that they make a lot of assumptions. But that's what every media does during testing. Some have inside sources some use their psychic ability :drunk: . I take everything with a picnh of salt. But my point here was the double standards used ; defending PW's right to publish his thoughts and assumptions when others claim he's biased towards a specific driver and then ridiculing other media for basically doing the same.

Can you please give me a link to the article where AMuS claimed they know fuel loads? Because the only reference to fuel loads I saw, was yesterday in their Live-ticker. They were comparing Lewis and Hulk's times pointing out the different tyres but also said that 'we have no idea of course, of what the fuel loads are'.

Windsor is not basing anything on assumptions in his piece he is desribing what he saw at the time in his style of writing.

AMuS said that Grosjean time in Jerez was set on 30kgs of fuel. They also said that Ferrari had the same amount of fuel on board when Alonso set his fastest time there and went on to extrapolate the gap based on tyres used. Anyway, I'm not going to derail this thread any further.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 22 February 2012 - 10:18.


#171 TheBunk

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:10

Sorry. Maybe I'm being cynical. But the reaction here seems to be more around his somewhat overly gushing praise of L. Hamilton. Would some of you have been that riled if it had been on another driver (as it has been many times in the past)? Infact, would you have even noticed it? I doubt it...... very much.

It's a shame really - because there are some valid trackside observations of both cars and drivers alike in there..... which is the title of this once unflamed thread...... Although I have to say that the style of writing is perhaps not my cup of tea and a result it takes a little bit of sifting to get a better understanding.


Maybe the title of the thread should be: Track Observations for Winter 2012 testing*

* Just don't mention the H word



There is a difference in mentioning the H word, and doing track side observations and combine them with describing sensations in your pants, wich is what Windsor seems to be doing.;)

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:36

Windsor is not basing anything on assumptions in his piece he is desribing what he saw at the time in his style of writing.

AMuS said that Grosjean time in Jerez was set on 30kgs of fuel. They also said that Ferrari had the same amount of fuel on board when Alonso set his fastest time there and went on to extrapolate the gap based on tyres used. Anyway, I'm not going to derail this thread any further.


I personally would qualify stuff like "velvety use of the throttle" and other stuff he says about steering/brake/throttle inputs etc. without access to telemetry to the same category. I know you can catch interesting stuff with just your eyes and ears, but I don't believe PW can do it on the level his text claims. Then again I'm pretty engineer kinda person :)

Edited by Gfhuus, 22 February 2012 - 11:37.


#173 windtravels

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 13:03

I come to this thread for actual trackside observations, not pages of jibba jabba.


#174 gillesthegenius

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 13:09

I come to this thread for actual trackside observations, not pages of jibba jabba.


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#175 ViMaMo

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 13:25

I come to this thread for actual trackside observations, not pages of jibba jabba.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 13:46

Jamey Price @jameypricephoto

Alonso looks to be struggling a bit. I cant hear or see timing but his car is all kinds of unstable through turns 1/2/3. Snap oversteer too.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 14:01

OP edited, post some more links to views guys!


edit:

And no I won't be adding PW views because of the controversy already in this thread :)

Edited by Brandz07, 22 February 2012 - 14:03.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 14:16

@eddstrawF1, says that the McLaren is looking very strong down at Turn 1. 'On the power fractionally before Vettel and can be very aggressive on braking and turn in.' Both cars look very good though he reports.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 17:36

Iirc the mclarens have looked good in that first section for years. But its just 3 corners of the lap, and is preceded by that long straight, where their reliability enhanced 15bhp + Merc engine can hurt the red bull Renaults. I wish Windsor, Straw ^co would go and look elsewhere.

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#180 vas04614

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 18:03

Any Observers?

#181 jjcale

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 18:04

Excellent link, which gives us a great insight into the driver skills :clap: :clap: I love how he describes Lewis´s godlike driving. :clap: :clap:


If you go to a test and watch all the drivers you will say the same... LH is very very flamboyant at tests... and a real joy to watch - if you like to watch tail happy driving.

Whether you like him as a person or think he is a **** is another matter... which for some reason some of the folks on here cannot separate from the driving skill... but that is their problem.

Sometimes I just wish I could block individual posts ....

Edited by jjcale, 22 February 2012 - 18:05.


#182 Kubiccia

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 19:16

Exactly. I mean, could it be that the McLaren simply has more grip and can change direction using angles more acute than the Ferrari? No...it must be due to superbly soft oh I've got a hardon now steering inputs and velvety I'm thinking of a bed with velvet sheets with me in Lewis' arms use of the throttle. Gimme a break!

:rotfl:
:up:

I read his friction circle article on F1 Racing too, and I find that one of the biggest bullshit to have ever been written.

I wish to have read that collumms.

I said it at the previous test when people were criticising Windsor's observations that all you had to do is look back to his Silverstone analysis. He found himself a position near at Maggots/Beckets/Chapel complex and from his observations could identify that the Ferrari of Alonso in particular was very quick through there, quicker than the Red Bulls. Lo and behold come race day this exactly how it transpired as it was the very sector where Alonso was making up buckets of time compared to others.


You Ferrari fans still believe in that myth?

Ferrari was never faster than RBR at Silversone. Alonso was off pole, slower in all 3 sectors than RBR and only won because of very long pit stop of Vettel.

For all we know Hamilton really has that curve down to a science but Alonso might make up time somewhere else on the circuit.

Really? When was proved that Lewis "has that curve down to science"? I have never seen any indication at all for this.

Edited by Kubiccia, 22 February 2012 - 19:21.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 20:53

Buemi's trackside thoughts:

We are in the braking zone of curve 10. Poor Charles Pic in his old Virgin has its set of tires to scrub the screen. The Formula 1 newcomer needs miles. You can tell. "He runs the hairpin at the end of the line too tight," criticized Buemi. "At the corner exit width is still a car seat."

A little later, Lewis Hamilton comes to the same curve. "Did you see how beautiful the whole width of the road he uses when accelerating?"
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The McLaren gets a good report from Buemi. "Them and Force India I like the best after Red Bull. Hamilton and Hulkenberg can slow down late and early on the gas. The car jerks not on the front when they accelerate."

Sebastian Vettel is on Wednesday afternoon, just in the first third of his race simulation - at the end of the first turns. "You can tell that Red Bull has the fuel on board. Everything is a track carrier. But still the car is very good. But we see that the tires are old. In turn 12 Seb slips sometimes." This is changing as the world champion inserts his first pit stop. On fresh soles of the Red Bull is back as a board.
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Hulkenberg is however well through the chicane. "He gives forth at the beginning of time," reports to Buemi. "But look how early he can go back on the gas." The Force India will remain calm. Since the lap times do not lie. "Those have achieved a very good car." McLaren also gets praise here. "The McLaren looks good. The car has grip. Not quite as much as the Red Bull, but close." This gives us hope. McLaren in Jerez was not the music.
....
Finally passes by Fernando Alonso. Buemi frowns. "Oh dear, that does not look so good. Alonso plays with the gas. There traction is missing". Next, conjures up his Caterham Petrov through the bottleneck. The Russian is almost perpendicular to the corner entry. "The Petrov runs extremely hard. The Caterham is not so bad. They have made progress."

At Williams test driver Valtteri Bottas falls on Buemi: ".. He sits too deep in the cockpit because he can not see anything in Barcelona that is perhaps even more, but in Monte Carlo you've got a problem."

Sergio Perez in the Sauber drives on rails through the tight corners. Buemi wants the Sauber C31 even pronounce a word of praise, because he realizes that he is traveling on soft tires. "This may distort the picture. Just as the tank contents. At the moment in Sauber looks good. We have to see how it is when the tires on." A few laps later, the Mexicans fight already. Buemi feels vindicated: "You see, starting to lose the grip of the tires."
...
When we go back on the return trip to the paddock, Sebastien Buemi takes a conclusion. "The Red Bull lies ahead for me. Then come Force India and McLaren . They are not that far away. "


AMuS

cookies to any kind German speaking soul that can provide a proper translation :)

Edited by Raifosa, 22 February 2012 - 20:53.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 21:15

Tell me how exactly this thread is racing along without any of us actually being at the track?

#185 jrg19

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 21:24

Tell me how exactly this thread is racing along without any of us actually being at the track?


"kimiraikkonen"

Mclaren fan is there on friday.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 21:28

Any Observers?


Yes there are but everytime something is posted, they are character assassinated, with little regard to the logic that if they dismiss them out of hand then every thing they have ever read on Clarke, GV, and Senna is a complete load of bollocks as well. After all descriptions of their driving prowess was based on observations trackside

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 22:14

Buemi's trackside thoughts:


AMuS

cookies to any kind German speaking soul that can provide a proper translation :)


thx, a bit of context... looks like Buemi was watching the cars in the afternoon... when Red Bull was doing their race sim and Mclaren their heavy runs... and Force India the consistent 1.28s on the hard tires.

#188 Kubiccia

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 22:17

Thanks a lot Raifosa, first important contribution in many days in this thread. :up:

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 22:39

Buemi's trackside thoughts:


AMuS

cookies to any kind German speaking soul that can provide a proper translation :)

Well, all you have to know is:
- Red Bull is ahead of the others
- Force India and McLaren are not far away. Both can brake very late and get on the power very soon
- The Ferrari didn't look good (compared to Red Bull, Force India and McLaren)
- Mercedes didn't pass when they were watching
- Caterham has made a step compared to last year
- Sauber looks pretty good

#190 jrg19

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 22:49

Crucial found these so credit to him.





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Posted 22 February 2012 - 23:09

:rotfl:
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I wish to have read that collumms.


You Ferrari fans still believe in that myth?

Ferrari was never faster than RBR at Silversone. Alonso was off pole, slower in all 3 sectors than RBR and only won because of very long pit stop of Vettel.


Really? When was proved that Lewis "has that curve down to science"? I have never seen any indication at all for this.

It senseless arguing with someone like you who hates a specific driver purely because others like him. I would suggest that you go and watch the Silverstone race again before making such rubbish statements.

Anyway, here is teaser for you regarding the 2nd sector during qualifying.

Sebastian Vettel. 36.879
Fernando Alonso. 36.897

Alonso was also a tenth quicker than Webber in sector 2 during qualifying.

In the race Alonso was the better part of a second quicker than anybody else once the track dried out. You think that with DRS it would be possible to hold someone that much faster than you back?

#192 Markn93

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 23:17

James Allen's take, sorry if repost.

http://www.jamesalle...-the-trackside/

#193 Kubiccia

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 23:34

Crucial found these so credit to him.



GREAT video(second is a short piece of the first)
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#194 AviatorX

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 16:08

...bump

any updated observer impressions from today, or links regarding on track behaviour!?

#195 Lokt

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 16:10

"I've had a couple of hours right beside the track and I have to say that the McLaren is looking very good" M Brundle

#196 Mastah

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 17:37

Here's video with him:

http://www1.skysport.../12433/7557948/

#197 GX390

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 07:45

Anyone have any new observations? :)

#198 Brandz07

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:19

Need some links, I personally haven't seen any.

#199 maverick69

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:37

Extracts from the "Autosport Plus" article Trackside view with Gary Anderson:


RB8 vs F2012: "Vettel's car looks sublime, the world champion using barely any steering input to negotiate his way around the bends, Fernando Alonso's Ferrari seems anything but."

On the throttle mapping of the RB8: "The blown diffusers are gone this year, but you can't unlearn things, and the ability to make the engine misfire at that point will still help the driver not lock-up the rear wheels, which can help reduce the rear tyre wear. The Red Bull definitely seems to be doing this best, because the car is just so stable." The Lotus and Williams do not share that trait despite having the same engine.

More on the Ferrari: "There doesn't look to be too much wrong with the peak performance of that car," Anderson says. "But the operating window of that performance is tiny. Fernando may be able to get a lap out of it on a Saturday afternoon, but over a race stint, he's just destroying his rear tyres. They're going to have to work pretty hard to fix that for Melbourne."

Finally on the McLaren: "The McLaren looks better than on Thursday, when Jenson [Button] was driving. They're misfiring the engine far more aggressively, which could just be the way Lewis wants it to deal with his driving style. Look at the car mid-corner though, the car just looks more responsive; less lazy."



Lots of other stuff worth reading there: http://plus.autospor...m/feature/4258/

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#200 windtravels

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 15:18

thanks maverick :up:

tempted to buy the article...