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#1 Nev

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 18:44

Was in Germany last week in connection with my current project and to visit the Essen Motorshow with a friend when we came across this car being loaded up outside our hotel.

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My German only extends to "zwei Bier bitte Fräulein" so I couldn't find much about it while I was there. I think they said it was raced at Le Mans in 1938, was of 2 litre capacity and there were no plans to restore it any further. I set about Google when I returned but, other than Adler saloons and ladies' bicycles, I couldn't find very much about the history of this particular car. I wondered if any of you could shed more light on this particular Le Mans entrant (if, indeed, that's what it was)?

It seems to have a US (Ohio) numberplate?

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#2 Tuboscocca

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:09

Nev

this car was already shown at the RetroClassic Stuttgart in 2011.

http://www.motor-kla...ht-1104458.html

Motor Klassik has had a short story..Can't say anything on the correctness..

Only the article is in German (sorry) and certainly needs more knowledge to read then just ''Zwei Bier..Fräulein (which is politically TOTALLY incorrect--as the Fräuleins are a term from just after WW2..)

Best regards Michael

#3 Nev

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:22

Nev

this car was already shown at the RetroClassic Stuttgart in 2011.

http://www.motor-kla...ht-1104458.html

Motor Klassik has had a short story..Can't say anything on the correctness..

Only the article is in German (sorry) and certainly needs more knowledge to read then just ''Zwei Bier..Fräulein (which is politically TOTALLY incorrect--as the Fräuleins are a term from just after WW2..)

Best regards Michael


Thanks for the link Michael. There still seem to be a lot that is unknown about the car?

By the way, I was totally unaware I was being politically incorrect - it certainly wasn't intentional!

#4 Vitesse2

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:24

Quick machine translation:

This car is a sensation. Previously it was thought that only two of the Eagle in the 1930s built streamlines, racing car had survived. But now a third appeared on. From the end of May this fascinating vehicle can in a new vintage car museum will be visited in Schramberg.
Nevertheless, the silent witness of the automotive history classic car and -experts from the version - not least because the traces of its past remained until today. The emergence of the Eagle is similar to a sensation such as the discovery of a dusty Picasso-Gemaldes on a loft or the Fund received a completely Saurierskeletts.
But what exactly is this spectacular Stromliniengefahrt represent? We briefly to hide in the 30s back.
Thanks Stromlinienkarosserien sought competitive at that time the company eagle with record-breaking runs and Sporteinsatzen for international recognition. A very special role in this was played by the Stromlinienkarosserien, the weaker motorized vehicles on routes with long straights to serious opponents could be.
On the basis of the outstanding Adler Trumpf has arisen in addition to a pretty successful record-breaking and one for the director of the Adler-Werke , Erwin Kleyer, vehicle produced in 1936 six racing coupes of nearly identical body. The draft came from Freiherr von Reinhard Koenig-Fachsenfeld , also the findings of the implemented-Paul Jaray.
In uncle near Stuttgart Bad Cannstatt in the aluminum bodies were manufactured, the rest on a steel. Viewed from the side is similar to the lower Karosseriepartie a Tragflachenprofil, while seen from the top of the roof has a teardrop shape. The front rounded roof with the small, curved windows reminds the viewer of a Flugzeugkanzel.
The Adler-Renncoupes were approved for the road racer five of these six, the first of 1.5 - and 1.7 -liter engines were driven, has been shown at the race went to the start.
They celebrated their first successes in a short 24- Race for sports and touring cars in 1936 in Spa, where you in the class of up to 2,000 ccm occupied the first three places.
Was extremely successful for the Adler-Crew developed the 1937. One of the Count Orssich and Rudolph Sauerwein at car won Le Mans in the victory and made it to the sixth place in the overall rankings. A second vehicle was ninth.
But which of the at that time also of Huschke von Hanstein driven racing coupes now we have here before us? The fact of the matter is that all the 'Approved for use on the roads were', so Heinzgerd Schott from Adler engine veterans Club.
Now that we know that is the chassis number of the copy, but the hardly helps to identify, 'because because of a lack of work documents a mapping to a flag is not possible', regrets the archivist of the clubs. Despite intensive research, the history of the car so still some gaps in. The paint can be found to be closed
Found the paint to suggest that it is one of the four at the race used white specimens. At some point the Front received a smaller cooling air inlet - what the used cars in 1939 in race has become the downfall was. The lower cooling air supply has led to a Motorexitus due to overheating. Our copy was given in 1938 by a two-liter machine splashed out, what a badge indicating in the engine compartment.
In New York and repainted as 'Eagle' in the trade press what during and directly after the war came with the car, remains uncertain. In any case of the Eagle landed on an unknown date in the USA, where it a certain Joe Gertler in got the finger. Gertler was initiated by the raceway garage in the New York Bronx.
In 1953 Motor Trend appeared in the magazine even a contribution of Gertler and its 'Eagle'. After the death of the Son Gertlers took over the management of the heritage. The contact to him proved to be first as a promising, but then lost this the interest - nothing touched more. But at least was of him to learn that the Eagle on the flag already 1951 PV 67 F in New Jersey was admitted.
Some of the contradictions in the Vorbesitzer-Geschichte In the April edition of Gertler wrote in 1954 in the New York Times the car in the sale from - for 2,500 dollars. New Owner Andrew Adler was the classic car. Loved it, the idea to have a car, the so called as he was.
He made him the Star of its collection, where it to the present owner at the end of the 70s and first time got to face immediately expressed interest. But Andrew Adler wanted to do anything in the world of disconnect. Rather, he tried in vain if also, yet another car to track them down.
For confusion, however, an American named James Lynas north Mull, the times claims that the car to have possessed of Gertler, time another vehicle. No wonder that it in previously published stories about the Stromlinien-Adler always came back to contradictions.
Today however, the undisputed owner to the car with the chassis number 167 673 Two years ago from the now deceased nephew bought Andrew Adler.
In contrast to the two previously known Fahzeugen with the numbers 167 671 and 168 302 presents he is still in original unrestored furniture and is thus one of the highlights of the car collection Steim, since May 2007 in Schramberg in the Black Forest is to admire. BTW: For information, to address gaps in the history to close, are welcome.
Because, unfortunately can not talk about cars. But of which languages we already have.


And here's what it looked like in 1938 before the grille was changed:

http://www.lemans-hi...k...q=0&piloto=

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:27

And in 1939: http://www.lemans-hi...k...q=0&piloto=

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:47

What a magnificent vehicle, love the patina and those windscreen details :up:

#7 Tim Murray

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 19:57

It appeared at the Le Mans Classic in 2010:

http://www.supercars...m...&first=true

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More photos here

and here's a bit of film:



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Posted 27 March 2012 - 21:16

At the Le Mans Classic '06 there was one in rather better order. The engineering details were superb.

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Posted 27 March 2012 - 22:49

I was in a quiz a while ago and one question was "Which car manufacurer has an Eagle as its badge?", to which I confidently answered, "Adler".

Apparently, the 'correct' answer was Toyota. :rolleyes:

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#10 Allan Lupton

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 08:58

I was in a quiz a while ago and one question was "Which car manufacturer has an Eagle as its badge?", to which I confidently answered, "Adler".

Apparently, the 'correct' answer was Toyota. :rolleyes:

Alan

I suppose the quiz setter could justify his answer because he said "has" not "had" and it's a long time since Adler manufactured cars (they went back to their typewriter-making roots)!
I'd have fallen for that, too.

Edited by Allan Lupton, 28 March 2012 - 08:59.


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 09:25

I suppose the quiz setter could justify his answer because he said "has" not "had" and it's a long time since Adler manufactured cars (they went back to their typewriter-making roots)!
I'd have fallen for that, too.


Had to look that up to believe it, only time I recall seeing anything like that was on a first generation Toyota MR2 which is Shirley also a past tense model ?

#12 Tuboscocca

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:06

Thanks for the link Michael. There still seem to be a lot that is unknown about the car?

By the way, I was totally unaware I was being politically incorrect - it certainly wasn't intentional!


Dear Nev ,

I didn't want to be 'strict', sorry...But a lot changed and it is today in Germany not appropriate to use 'Fräulein' (which was the term for unmarried woman, young or old). I'm not sure whether you can still say 'Miss' in UK. On the opposite there was never in German a term 'Herrlein'. The ending ...'lein' is only the diminuitive of Frau or Herr..

So any way when you order two beers...just bitte and LOUD!

Sorry the excursion Michael


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:43

So any way when you order two beers...just bitte and LOUD!


Ähm...no.

Some females take Fräulein surely a compliment. If I were a woman I would ask to be called 'Fräulein' instad of 'Frau'. For racist feministic bureaucrats it's a insult that has to go because we have to be equal...at least on the paper.

Sorry for drifting even further OT.

Edited by Duc-Man, 28 March 2012 - 10:44.


#14 David McKinney

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:49

I'm not sure whether you can still say 'Miss' in UK

Yes, you can, though there are some who will take exception


#15 Nev

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:02

Yes, you can, though there are some who will take exception


If we are off-topic may as well go the whole hog - in the UK we get called "love" and "darling" by complete strangers in shops everyday - am I the only one who finds this a bit weird?

Is it me?


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 12:03

I'm not sure whether you can still say 'Miss' in UK.

Yes, of course you can say it but these days it's spelled "Ms." :down:

#17 Tuboscocca

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 13:07

Yes, you can, though there are some who will take exception



Thanks for 'clarifying'...and regards to HerrLEIN DUC-MAN.

From my side this OT is closed..

But interesting as countries and languages and people are so different!!

Best regards Michael

#18 AMICALEMANS

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 13:08

Everything (except coulour period photography...) about Adler Supertrumpf... http://www.autodiva....p...057&start=0

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 15:45

Everything (except coulour period photography...) about Adler Supertrumpf... http://www.autodiva....p...057&start=0



Thanks..Amicalemans..but you have (now) to register to go into Autodiva Forum..my registration failed so far...

Michael

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#20 kayemod

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 18:24

Ähm...no.

Some females take Fräulein surely a compliment.


I can't believe that things are so different in Österreich, many Germans still think that country is still annexed to theirs of course, but a friend's mother is a waitress in a Seefeld hotel, and everyone, other staff and customers alike all address her only as "Fraulein", and she's over 60.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 20:47

If we are off-topic may as well go the whole hog - in the UK we get called "love" and "darling" by complete strangers in shops everyday - am I the only one who finds this a bit weird?

Is it me?


I'm constantly surprised by how many "mates" I have these days, most of whom I have never met before.

Most disconcerting was the six-foot six ex-wrestler type who called me "duck" in Derby a few years ago. Must be something in the water.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 20:52

I can't believe that things are so different in Österreich, many Germans still think that country is still annexed to theirs of course, but a friend's mother is a waitress in a Seefeld hotel, and everyone, other staff and customers alike all address her only as "Fraulein", and she's over 60.



Dear Rob...that hurts a little bit..There are certainly some elderly people who think Österreich is still the 'Ostmark', but nearly 70 years after WW2 that should be forgotten...

And your case is very interesting and correct: in an restaurant you call the male waiter Herr Ober and it is still habit to call for the 'Fräulein', as you have no other expression for the waitress in (the poor) German language...and a bit of a dilemma.

(I know you have learned German from an austrian teacher)..

Best regards Michael

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 20:56

I'm constantly surprised by how many "mates" I have these days, most of whom I have never met before.

Most disconcerting was the six-foot six ex-wrestler type who called me "duck" in Derby a few years ago. Must be something in the water.


I'd say that "mate" was more a southern thing, but "duck", "love" and "dear" is just proof of how friendly us northeners are. Slightly disconcerting the first few times it happens is to be addressed as "my lover" in Devon and Cornwall.


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Posted 28 March 2012 - 22:20

Slightly disconcerting the first few times it happens is to be addressed as "my lover" in Devon and Cornwall.

Very common here in Bristle also.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 22:57

Very common here in Bristle also.

Really? I had no ideal.