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[Blue6ix]

Here are the timetables for the many different 24 Hours Le Mans races and they are from the 1960s and from the years of 1964-1967 belonging to the Spanish Television's motorsport coverage of their respective years:

 

Automovilismo Eurovisión: Las 24 Horas de Le Mans de 1964: It was shown in it's second and final day in 21.6.1964 at TVE in two parts even though even that occured also most likely as a surprise coverage!

 

It was shown in two parts at 11.30-13.45 o' clock and 15.30-16.15 o' clock.

 

Originally for the 24 Hours Race from Le Mans the second part was supposed to possibly not be shown when once again some Spanish newspapers omitted that important part from their own respective TV informations, but TVE went ahead to the coverage anyway than expected.

 

Here comes the next one, meaning of course 1965 24 Hours of Le Mans:

 

Automovilismo Eurovisión: Las 24 Horas de Le Mans de 1965: It was seen in many parts and possibly for the second time in each race day. It was seen first in two parts in 19.6.1965 at 15.45-16.30 o' clock for it's introduction part including the start of the race and additionaly the first 15 minutes of the race and second and the final part for the first race day could be viewed at the moment possibly unknowingly long time because of that part's starting time meaning midnight in Spain. Possibly for the final part TVE went earlier to live coverage than expected, but not before 22.30 o' clock at the earliest because of the other programmes and because of their late night national news. Final part for the first race day was also the last programme for that day with of course unknown length.

 

It was then seen for two parts in final race day, meaning of course in 20.6.1965 at 13.30-13.45 o' clock and finally at 15.25-16.15 o' clock. Discorama programme were removed from their list entirely because of the decision to show the race to the chequered flag and episode of Bonanza got delayed in Spain up to the chequered flag or as long as it was needed to get race finished. Because of those programme related issues once again some newspapers in Spain omitted those time parts when considering about 24 Hours of Le Mans and supposedly weren't showing the race even though there was coverage ongoing for the lookers on TV, if they just wanted to turn it on. Well those were days indeed.

 

Here comes the next one, meaning of course 1966 24 Hours of Le Mans:

 

Automovilismo Eurovisión: Las 24 Horas de Le Mans de 1966: It was seen in many parts and possibly for the third time in each race day. It was seen first in two parts in 18.6.1966 at 15.47-16.30 o' clock for it's introduction part including the start of the race and additionaly the first 15 minutes of the race and second and the final part for the first race day could be viewed at 22.30-22.55 o' clock and for the first time, this second part or any part of the race at all speaking, were shown in UHF-TV/UHF-TVE meaning of course the eventual TVE2 as a experimental broadcast. If it somehow were cancelled on there, then it went back to TVE or eventually upcoming TVE1 for the same time meaning of course 22.30-22.55 o' clock or because of the other programmes that time part could have been moved as far late as 00.30-1.50 o' clock when depending of the channel the TV day's programme were supposed to end there to then have it's own 25 minutes of coverage.

 

It was then seen for two parts in final race day, meaning of course in 19.6.1966 at 12.30-14 o' clock and finally at 15.29-16.15 o' clock. Only TVE showed it, meaning that still experimental UHF-TV/UHF-TVE as an upcoming TVE2 didn't have any coverage for that day. Oddly final two minutes of the first part at 13.58 o' clock and so forward were possibly used to Eurovision theme song in Spain.

 

Once again some newspapers in Spain omitted those time parts in final day when considering about 24 Hours of Le Mans and supposedly weren't showing the race even though there was coverage ongoing for the lookers on TV, if they just wanted to turn it on. Well those were days indeed.

 

And finally here are the timetables, of course for the 1967 24 Hours of Le Mans:

 

Automovilismo Eurovisión: Las 24 Horas de Le Mans de 1967: It was seen in many parts and possibly for the third time in each race day. This was the first time when this particular motor race were seen at TVE1 and reason was of course TVE2 finally having begun it's regular broadcasts towards the end of 1966 and continuing that from the early 1967 towards to that day back then. It was seen first in two parts in 10.6.1967 at 15.20-16.30 o' clock for it's introduction part including the start of the race and additionaly the first 15 minutes of the race. It is unknown at the moment that how much coverage time 24 Hours of Le Mans did get as it's first part since that race had to share it's own part in TVE1 with Giro de Italia broadcast as well and second and the final part for the first race day it could be viewed at 20.50-21.05 o' clock. Sadly there weren't any coverage excluding possible surprise one at all in TVE2 for the first day.

 

It was then seen for two parts in final race day, meaning of course in 11.6.1967 at 13.15-13.50 o' clock and finally at 15.30-16.15 o' clock. Only TVE1 showed it, meaning that TVE2 didn't have any coverage for that day. Possibly not at all for the 1967 race. Excluding of course any possible surprise coverage occuring. Oddly in some newspapers there were discussions of TVE possibly showing some mixed highlights/live coverage even earlier of the final day, as a means of getting the all-important 'siesta hour' broadcasted with their best parts and that was supposed to be 1 hour long or little more in length. And it was supposed to be shown before the allocated coverage, meaning anywhere between 12-13.15 o' clock or even earlier possibly with either channel depending of the situation.

 

Then before the chequered flag and if this particular race was supposed to have been postponed by some reason, TVE had some extra time with this year's coverage, but if that had been used, then this race would have had to share it's place with Giro de Italia once again in TVE1 up to the 17.15 o' clock when it was a time for the other programmes. Alternatively, at 16.15 o' clock or beyond, if the race supposedly were still not finished, it could have been moved to be shown at TVE2 as it's first programme of the day and then have all the time it basically wanted. At least up to 18.30 o' clock when it was supposedly starting it's day of broadcast at time with normal programmes.

 

Once again some newspapers in Spain omitted those time parts in final day when considering about 24 Hours of Le Mans and supposedly weren't showing the race even though there was coverage ongoing for the lookers on TV, if they just wanted to turn it on. Well those were days indeed.

 

I'll keep searching about those F1 races in Spain and hopefully there will be even new discoveries as well. 

[Blue6ix]

Recently I have managed to find out that sometimes rather than newspapers themselves, some many famous listings magazines, mostly as a weekly or monthly listing magazine (Though there are a few ones which only lists them for upcoming few days like three or four days ahead.) have more accurate information about possible upcoming F1 races themselves than their own respective newspapers.

 

They have few other benefits too. Sadly some of them, especially in older days, seems to have only quite limited foreign broadcast information range and if they have had a one, they also changed quite quickly to some other country (Like some Italian ones did have quite a good information from Swiss TV ones to just have ditched and replaced them with a more limited Yugoslavian ones.) which necessarily didn't have that much of programme information.

 

I have also managed to find out that some very first Italian F1 broadcasts ever were actually their TV test coverage for upcoming RAI since they were just about started when they actually want to broadcast them, basically seriously for the first time or very nearly so.

 

Those listing magazines sometimes and depending on country gave basically some of the only hints for some Eurovision broadcasts to have been occured when considering their own respective F1 coverage.

 

At the moment some Grand Prix coverage from the 1950s, said to possibly have no broadcasted at all, have possibly have been broadcasted, but only as a some kind of mixed coverage with the other sports and if there was enough of time to have them seen.

 

And for the first years or decades, F1 broadcasts in Eurovision country pool area seemed to be quite ambitious and also common so if some race were seen, there was a good possibility that they were naturally seen in everywhere. Eventually though there were also many countries which were offered, but declined to show those races.

 

As for the Italy's F1 broadcasts I have also managed to find out that some Swiss F1 brodacasts in the 1970s had some question marks on them and also with signing of Notte TV/TV Notte meaning their own respective night television.

 

Those races especially occured when there was a possibility to have a over-the-sea race like Watkins Glen broadcasted!

 

US Grand Prix 1974 seemed to have those question marks and few others too since Swiss television seemed eager to do something which nigh on never were tried before back then.

 

As for the moment and by upcoming near future if I'm in luck, I have basically been looking for any Swiss television listing magazine guides, but also I would not be dissapointed if there would be also some mid to late 1950s radio-tv-guides available since there possibly could have some really concrete information for their broadcasted races.

 

Those oldest of a ones even though they usually were only radio listings guides, actually really have their TV informations far more likely available than even some of their oldest newspapers!

 

That could possibly solve some questions when regarding about Swiss television or Austrian television, meaning of course ORF:s most oldest available races.

 

Because of these new findings, I have also managed to find about some new information for the Yugoslavian F1 TV Coverage and if not really much any new information when considering about broadcasts, at least I have now somewhat good database available for the Hungarian broadcasts and also for those races that David Sandor ever did his respective commentaries.

 

Finally, some Italian ones even with their faults, actually have some of their very early commentators named unlike in newspaper listings. My only question is that, if they really were also TV commentators or were their informations actually mixed in with the radio ones, meaning their own respective commentators?

 

Possibly this could also help for Nordic Countries and their respective F1 TV Coverage problems should their respective ones ever be founded largerly.

[Blue6ix]

When talking about the very earliest Swiss F1 races to be shown or at least have a somewhat concrete radio coverage, it seems to me that the many early Swiss Grand Prix have either one or both of them.

 

Television in Switzerland had some TV experimental broadcasts even before the Second World War, but they were the very earliest ones.

 

They also had many other experimental broadcast periods during the years of 1950-1958 depending of the cantons/kantones/cantones/cantonis/chantuns.

 

In the years of 1950-1952 or approximately to the year of 1953 especially the German speaking area had many different broadcast periods as an experimental ones.

 

Even though also in French and Italian speaking areas had them too, but in somewhat lesser extent.

 

Those experiments were conducted basically from the already existing radio studios with possible cantonian ones, meaning as an example in 1951, for the German speaking areas Beromünster Radio-TV and for the cantonian ones in there, meaning Beromünster Zürich Radio-TV, Bern Radio-TV and Basel Radio-TV.

 

Before continuing, those letters, meaning TV, only did join in because of the year of 1950 and when the Eurovision network was created between and across the many different countries of Europe at time and because of that, upcoming important TV people in Switzerland didn't want to be among the last ones to get a TV in there, but rather they wanted to be front runners so they begun to use those letter, if not widely as printed in pages publicly, then they begun to do so as internally.

 

Well let's continue then:

 

French speaking areas had Sottens Radio-TV and for the cantonian ones in there, meaning Sottens Lausanne Radio-TV and Genf Radio-TV/Télé Genève Radio-TV/Tele Ginevra Radio-TV.

 

Italian speaking areas had Monte Generi Radio-TV and for the cantonian ones in there, meaning at time only in that area exclusively (When not including some very rare occuring experimental coverage from Tele Ginevra or from Bern Radio-TV.) Lugano Radio-TV.

 

I managed to find out some really old Swiss information when considering some of their respective Swiss Grand Prix.

 

The following information have possibly been included to their respective information pages on the Schweizer Radio-TV Zeitung and Jahresbericht 1951 and even though it was mainly in German, it seems to me that somehow got it's way to Italian speaking area too:

 

''Fu presente al seguito delle speciali servizi vennero dedicati ai aleune gare nazionali ed internazionali il automobilistico del Bremgarten, Gran Premio di Svizzera.''

 

The presenter must have been nigh on 100 % surely Bern Radio-TV even though sometimes they were named also as Beromünster Radio-TV or even because of the Italian texts, as Lugano Radio-TV.

 

Somehow even if by some reason those TV experiments would have been failed, then there at least seems to be very concrete radio coverage for some of the Swiss Grand Prix races and their respective years like in 1951 as an example.

 

I will continue this searching and hopefully some new information could be found about the matter.

 

Especially when and during that time, only a very few years later Switzerland finally begun their regular broadcasts especially on the German speaking areas of the country and even experimental broadcasts in French and Italian speaking areas came to be far more common rather than not during the following years.

Edited by Blue6ix, 05 February 2024 - 03:28.

[Blue6ix]

When considering about US F1 TV Coverage history I managed to find out that French Grand Prix of 1965 and from the Clermont-Ferrand were actually showed in US television.

 

By NBC and if it was not shown on race day (That was in 27.6.1965.) then it was finally shown in the same channel in July of 1965, meaning almost a one whole month later in 25.7.1965.

 

The race at latest of course was shown as a highlights on that fateful July day at 6.30-7.30 pm and since it was also a part of NBC Sports in Action programme, then it shared some of it's programme time with Grand Steeplechase of Paris with a very brief report from British Grand National horse race included in the broadcast.

 

So possibly I think that the French Grand Prix from that year were featured in NBC's papers as a one of the approximately eight 'Important TV Motor Sports Events' which I have told about previously.

 

Without any delay I shall post a little update about it in the next message.

 

PS. This new information was found out by nigh on complete accident from the newspaper called as a Warsaw Times Union. If I'm not mistaken that newspaper is published or was published at time in Indiana, Warsaw, Kosciusko County. My intent actually was just to search some of the supposed United States Grand Prix race coverage from the Watkins Glen and then I just happened to see some articles telling the latest heroics from Jim Clark's spellbound drive in France and then I had it!

Edited by Blue6ix, 13 February 2024 - 00:59.

[Blue6ix]

I had this message back in 26.9.2022, but...

 

I decided that a little update as in big message could be more meaningful this time.

 

Here is a little list for each channel covering 'Important TV Motorsport Events' by each event for 1965 as confirmed or otherwise told/found even though United States Grand Prix possibly had broadcasts both for ABC and CBS and it is updated when the French Grand Prix and when searching again just for the United States Grand Prix for 'The Glen' races, the search engine somehow went bollocks and by then it accidentally showed some Baltimore newspapers and one of them was once again featuring stories from Jim Clark winning the so called 'European Grand Prix' in Belgium, meaning the Belgian Grand Prix and that was once again found out by nigh on complete chance:

 

'Important TV Motorsport Events' 1965

 

ABC: Daytona 500, Rebel 300, Monaco Grand Prix, Indy 500, Le Mans 24 Hours, Firecracker 400, German Grand Prix, Southern 500, National 400, United States Grand Prix possibly and if it weren't shown on it it was shown in CBS or local affiliate channel like Seneca TV or Schenectady TV, Mexican Grand Prix and Golden State 100

 

NBC: Dutch Grand Prix, French Grand Prix and Belgian Grand Prix

 

CBS: Jimmy Bryan Memorial Trophy and United States Grand Prix provided that ABC or local affiliate channel didn't covered it

 

Hopefully there is some new information as time goes by like in this case with French Grand Prix and Belgian Grand Prix even though both of those were a very lucky coincidence to be even found out at all  .

 

Possibly some more F1 races were seen in US back then and possibly many other motorsport events too.

Edited by Blue6ix, 13 February 2024 - 01:34.

[Blue6ix]

When considering about US F1 TV Coverage history I managed to also find out that Belgian Grand Prix of 1965 and from the Spa-Francorchamps were actually showed in US television too!

 

By NBC and if it was not shown on race day (That was in 13.6.1965.) then it was finally shown in the same channel in June of 1965, meaning two weeks or almost two weeks later in either 26.6.1965 or in 27.6.1965.

 

The latter date was actually a race day for the 1965 French Grand Prix by the way.

 

The race from Belgium at latest of course was shown as a highlights on that fateful June day at 6.30-7.30 pm.

 

Possibly when broadcasted as a highlights it was a very exceptional main part of the NBC Sports in Action programme.

 

Only reason why I included the other day from the June of 1965 is because of the varying broadcast times in the Baltimore region and in their local channels where in definitely this race was shown back then in USA.

 

If shown in 26.6.1965 then it was shown at 3-4 pm and when in 27.6.1965, then as mentioned at 6.30-7.30 pm.

 

This race was found from the newspaper called as Baltimore Afro-American and only by accident when searching mainly those missing possible United States Grand Prix broadcasts from the Watkins Glen and from many different years.

 

Baltimore Afro-American also called the 1965 Belgian Grand Prix as 1965 European Grand Prix, meaning it's honorary title back then in old days!

 

I will update this information right away and luckily, the updated big message is just the very fresh earlier one too.

Edited by Blue6ix, 13 February 2024 - 01:27.

[Blue6ix]

When considering about US F1 TV Coverage history and especially from the 'Peacock Channel' meaning of course NBC's perspective, it seems to me that particular channel had an interest to show F1 races in the USA back in the 1960s with a variable amount of races depending on the season.

 

Live races or races as a Sport Special featuring possible live parts or segments of the race were extremely rare if any was ever to be aired like that, but if they really didn't had any sameday coverage, then this particular channel in question had two sport programmes which did air them as a highlights at least:

 

Those two at least for the years of 1962-1965 seemed to be NBC Sports Cavalcade and NBC Sports in Action!

 

They were one hour programmes having one or more featured sport events unless it were already designated to be a NBC Sport Special and then having extra length and then with those normal programme name letters appearing as well.

 

And if there was a sport special then the entire or almost the entire programme were devoted to the sport event in question.

 

Also sadly sometimes these two programmes were victims of so-called 'Pre-Empting' meaning that the other programmes or very live sport specials were shown in their places in saturdays or sundays.

 

One of the most famous 'Pre-Empted' sports coverage to replace either of these programmes were probably NBC's NHL Stanley Cup Coverage in 1966 or possibly even earlier.

 

With some recent findings I'm currently trying to find anything for those two programmes and particularly their various programme airing dates.

 

What I do know as for now is that NBC Sports Cavalcade was the earlier one, airing from 1962 to 1963 and the later one, meaning NBC Sports in Action had it's run of airing from 1963 to 1966 and it seems to me that these two programmes has definitely shown F1 in USA during the years of 1962-1965 at least.

 

Currently I have found some information from the various Dutch Grand Prix, French Grand Prix and Belgian Grand Prix races.

 

Those that I have found out are all from the 1960s and they really were shown in NBC or with their local affiliate channels.

 

It seems to me also that NBC also sometimes wanted to show Monaco Grand Prix too in those years, but always ABC did hold it in their claws so they most likely didn't broadcasted them or if they did, only in some sort of brief clipping coverage or from the preceding year/years so to not have ABC' anger targeted to them.

 

Listings information that have at least helped about this are mostly from the TV Guides and from the listings archives of Michigan region channel known as WWJ-TV and NY-Channel 4 and those two are from Detroit area or very near it otherwise in Michigan providing local and NBC programmes and from New York as per with letters NY.

 

Oddly in Michigan region they also showed when there weren't any other possible 'Live' sports or important local events to show for, re-runs of those selected Grand Prix races.

 

As an example they showed once 1962 European Grand Prix as an re-run in May 1963 like once again as an example in the date of 4.5.1963 in Michigan region and again in their summertime programmes in June 1963 as well in Michigan-Detroit region!

 

Honorary title as it was called, the Grand Prix in question was no other than 1962 Dutch Grand Prix.

 

Sadly, I don't currently have information about NBC Sports Cavalcade as for their exact aired episodes like that, but NBC Sports in Action had their first ever programme on January 1963, meaning 12.1.1963 and it's final ever programme on June 1966, meaning of course 5.6.1966.

 

Hopefully any new information could be found and I may fulfill the possible holes as soon as I just have the concrete information or timetables set for them.

Edited by Blue6ix, 13 February 2024 - 19:11.

[GThomas00]

Did any local US, Canadian or Mexican state affiliates were host feeds for their host races?

Edited by GThomas00, 14 February 2024 - 19:38.

[Sterzo]

I don't know if the following is any use for your files, Blue6ix, but the following information is taken from Phillip Parfitt's book "Racing at Crystal Palace", page 38. It's about the International Imperial Trophy, the last meeting held during the circuit's first season, on Saturday October 9th, 1937. Phillip Parfitt writes: "The BBC recognised the importance of the day and televised the meeting: it was the first outside broadcast of motor sport..."

 

He gives some details from the Radio Times: 30 minutes starting at 2.25, visits at 3.15 and 3.45, and 45 minutes starting at 4.15. The author made the point that TV was in its infancy and broadcast for only 4 hours or so each day.

 

Not mentioned in the book was that at the time John Logie-Baird's own Baird company had its studios and transmitter at Crystal Palace (which is on the top of Sydenham Hill in South London); and that much later, in the nineteen-fifties, the BBC built a huge transmission tower there which is a landmark for miles around.

 

Apologies if all this is out of your scope, but I thought it might be interesting.

Edited by Sterzo, 14 February 2024 - 20:48.

[Blue6ix]

When searching those NBC Sports in Action episodes especially containing F1 races from the years of 1963-1965 when NBC most likely showed F1 races in USA, I have already found out that ABC did also send some additional races and possibly had a one race swap with NBC!

 

Possibly that race in question could have been French Grand Prix from Reims and because of that move, possibly NBC did show British Grand Prix from Silverstone that year as a substitute race!

 

Season in question and for the current issue is the year of 1963.

 

Also even though NASCAR on TV site claims that supposedly 1963 Southern 500 race from NASCAR Grand National Series supposedly as well didn't get televised.

 

Possibly that site has it wrong as well as for some other races reported on that site as well.

 

Southern 500 at least had a schedule to be shown, if not on the race day then five days after the race in 7.9.1963 at 5-6.30 pm in ABC Wide World of Sports and it's broadcast was shared with USA-Japan Swimming Contest.

 

Curiously some newspapers just marked that race as Auto Racing or Stock Car Championship, but some Canadian newspapers clearly said that it was a NASCAR Racing.

 

I'll continue to look those NBC Sports in Action episodes and see what can I find out about them!

Edited by Blue6ix, 02 March 2024 - 18:31.

[Blue6ix]

When searching those NBC Sports in Action episodes especially containing F1 races from the years of 1963-1965 when NBC most likely showed F1 races in USA, I have already found out that ABC did also send some additional races and possibly had a one race swap with NBC!

 

Possibly that race in question could have been French Grand Prix from Rouen and because of that move, possibly NBC did show British Grand Prix from Brands Hatch that year as a substitute race!

 

Season in question and for the current issue is the year of 1964.

 

Also even though NASCAR on TV site claims that supposedly 1964 Firecracker 400 race from NASCAR Grand National Series supposedly as well didn't get televised.

 

Possibly that site has it wrong as well as for some other races reported on that site as well.

 

Firecracker 400 at least had a schedule to be shown, if not on the race day then one whole week after the race in 11.7.1964 at 5-6.30 pm in ABC Wide World of Sports and it's broadcast was shared with Scottish Open Golf Championship Race from St. Andrews, Scotland.

 

Curiously some newspapers just marked that race as Auto Racing or Stock Car Championship also mixed in with the name of Daytona 400, but some Canadian newspapers clearly said that it was a NASCAR Racing.

 

I'll continue to look those NBC Sports in Action episodes and see what can I find out about them!

Edited by Blue6ix, 02 March 2024 - 20:29.

[Vitesse2]

I don't know if the following is any use for your files, Blue6ix, but the following information is taken from Phillip Parfitt's book "Racing at Crystal Palace", page 38. It's about the International Imperial Trophy, the last meeting held during the circuit's first season, on Saturday October 9th, 1937. Phillip Parfitt writes: "The BBC recognised the importance of the day and televised the meeting: it was the first outside broadcast of motor sport..."

 

He gives some details from the Radio Times: 30 minutes starting at 2.25, visits at 3.15 and 3.45, and 45 minutes starting at 4.15. The author made the point that TV was in its infancy and broadcast for only 4 hours or so each day.

 

Not mentioned in the book was that at the time John Logie-Baird's own Baird company had its studios and transmitter at Crystal Palace (which is on the top of Sydenham Hill in South London); and that much later, in the nineteen-fifties, the BBC built a huge transmission tower there which is a landmark for miles around.

 

Apologies if all this is out of your scope, but I thought it might be interesting.

There were several further live television broadcasts of racing from Crystal Palace between 1937 and 1939 and in early 1938 the BBC did also investigate the possibility of showing up to four meetings per year from Brooklands, but nothing came of that, perhaps because of the difficulty of sending the pictures over the 23 miles to Alexandra Palace. Although as they only appear to have had one sports OB unit at the time other sports in and around London - eg tennis from Wimbledon, cricket from Lords and The Oval - usually had priority when there was a clash. They also provided regular radio coverage of both Shelsley Walsh and the RAC TT.

[Blue6ix]

When trying to find out information about F1 TV Coverage in USA and for the season of 1965 and particularly NBC coverage, I managed to find out about at least one new 'Important TV Motorsport Events' to be shown on that year.

 

It was on ABC for that year's race and it was for the Sebring 12 Hours Race.

 

I will update the list as soon as I can or when the search is concluded for NBC Sports in Action programme and for their any relative episodes.

Edited by Blue6ix, 03 March 2024 - 19:16.

[Blue6ix]

When trying to find out information about F1 TV Coverage in USA and for the season of 1965 and particularly NBC coverage, I managed to find out about at least one new 'Important TV Motorsport Events' to be shown on that year.

 

It was on ABC for that year's race and it was for the Daytona Continental 2000 Kilometres Race.

 

I will update the list as soon as I can or when the search is concluded for NBC Sports in Action programme and for their any relative episodes.

[Blue6ix]

When trying to find out information about F1 TV Coverage in USA and for the season of 1965 and particularly NBC coverage, I managed to find out about at least one new 'Important TV Motorsport Events' to be shown on that year.

 

It was on ABC for that year's race and it was for the NASCAR Grand National Series Richmond 250 Race.

 

I will update the list as soon as I can or when the search is concluded for NBC Sports in Action programme and for their any relative episodes.

[Blue6ix]

When searching those NBC Sports in Action episodes especially containing F1 races from the years of 1963-1965 when NBC most likely showed F1 races in USA, I have already found out some new intriguing information.

 

Even though this part considers about NASCAR rather than F1 and it is involving it's season of 1965:

 

Also even though NASCAR on TV site claims or forgots to mention that supposedly 1965 Richmond 250 race from NASCAR Grand National Series supposedly as well didn't get televised.

 

Possibly that site has it wrong as well as for some other races reported on that site as well.

 

Richmond 250 at least had a schedule to be shown, if not on the race day then at latest, finally little over two whole months after the race in 8.5.1965 at 5-6.30 pm in ABC Wide World of Sports and it's broadcast was shared with Water Ski Kite Flying Championship Race from Austin, Texas.

 

Curiously some newspapers just marked that race as Auto Racing or Stock Car Championship also mixed in with the name of Rural Fairgrounds, but some Canadian newspapers clearly said that it was a NASCAR Racing.

 

I'll continue to look those NBC Sports in Action episodes and see what can I find out about them!

[Blue6ix]

When trying to find out information about F1 TV Coverage in USA and for the season of 1965 and particularly NBC coverage, I managed to find out about at least one new 'Important TV Motorsport Events' to be shown on that year.

 

It was on ABC for that year's race and it was for the NASCAR Grand National Series American 500 Race.

 

I will update the list as soon as I can or when the search is concluded for NBC Sports in Action programme and for their any relative episodes.

 

By the way, that American 500 was being held in Rockingham North Carolina.

[Blue6ix]

When searching those NBC Sports in Action episodes especially containing F1 races from the years of 1963-1965 when NBC most likely showed F1 races in USA, I have already found out some new intriguing information.

 

Even though this part considers about NASCAR rather than F1 and it is involving it's season of 1965:

 

Also even though NASCAR on TV site claims or forgots to mention that supposedly 1965 American 500 race from NASCAR Grand National Series supposedly as well didn't get televised.

 

Possibly that site has it wrong as well as for some other races reported on that site as well.

 

American 500 at least had a schedule to be shown, if not on the race day then at latest, finally nigh on exactly two whole months after the race in everywhere around or near 1965 New Years Eve and the broadcast had it's variable dates because of the regions and because of the Post-Christmas Holiday Season, meaning everywhere of 27.12.1965 at the earliest and to no later than 31.12.1965 at 5-6.30 pm in ABC Wide World of Sports and it's broadcast was shared with Winter Horse Ice Racing Race from St. Moritz, Switzerland and Figure Skating Championship Race from Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Germany. Possibly, depending on the region, even after the New Year back then, meaning of course in the year of 1966, they showed the same programme as a Re-run with the same broadcast time.

 

Curiously some newspapers just marked that race as Auto Racing or Stock Car Championship also mixed in with the name of North Carolina or even the earlier race then supposedly meaning already seen race from National 400, but some Canadian newspapers clearly said that it was a NASCAR Racing and from Rockinham rather than Concord.

 

I'll continue to look those NBC Sports in Action episodes and see what can I find out about them!

Edited by Blue6ix, 03 March 2024 - 21:14.

[Blue6ix]

When trying to find out information about F1 TV Coverage in USA and for the season of 1965 and particularly NBC coverage, I managed to find out about at least one new 'Important TV Motorsport Events' to be shown on that year.

 

It was on NBC for that year's race and it was for the SCCA Series Stardust 200 Miles Race.

 

I will update the list as soon as I can or when the search is concluded for NBC Sports in Action programme and for their any relative episodes.

 

By the way, that Stardust 200 Miles Race was being held in Spring Valley, Las Vegas, Nevada.

 

Circuit was of course none other than Stardust International Raceway and because of the race distance it's alternate name for the race itself were sometimes known as Las Vegas 200 Miles Race.

 

Stardust 200 Miles Race at least had a schedule to be shown, if not on the race day then at latest, little more than one whole month later after the race, meaning in 18.12.1965 for that time when featured in NBC Sports in Action programme.

Edited by Blue6ix, 04 March 2024 - 00:14.

[Blue6ix]

Even though this following message is a off-topic message, it is still an important one what comes about the 1965 Richmond 250 Race from the NASCAR Grand National Series and of course from that season as well.

 

I managed to find out about some following things from this race and when just searching those NBC Sports in Action programme episodes listings possibly containing any further F1 race coverage for the season of 1965.

 

Things are following for the Richmond 250 Race:

 

This Richmond race was broadcast on ABC and if not on race day or shortly after, then eventually in Wide World of Sports as said earlier.

 

It basically became one of the very first NASCAR races to be televised nationally from the regions of Commonwealth of Virginia.

 

It would have made for pretty poor television coverage with the short field at and Chrysler boycott...

 

EXCEPT Importantly:

 

Dick Hutcherson's rollover down in turn 1 provided lots of action, especially when the ABC TV cameras caught Dick running from the #29 car and trying to climb the old board fence to escape oncoming cars.

 

If there ever was a one particularly good journal describing the action it were the following one:

 

Southern MotorSports Journal has a great photo series of Dick running from his overturned car and scaling the fence if anyone has that 1965 issue left.

 

Sorry about the mostly off-topic message even though before I carry on I'm also happy to tell that my search for those NBC Sports in Action episodes and for any F1 races for the seasons of 1963-1965 is soon to be concluded.

 

I think that if I'm in luck, it will be no more than tomorrow that things will become their conclusion about the matter.

 

Even though sadly there is possibly still much to search for because those featured listings weren't as for now at least not that complete or even that much more accurate enough.

 

Hopefully more information could be found in near future or so!

[Naglafar]

I have TV listings of french swiss channel (TSR) since 1957. I searched for the 1957-59 period and I only found that :

- 05/10/1959 (Monaco GP) : 5.10pm to 6.10pm (comments from RTF)

- 07/05/1959 (French GP) : 3.00pm to 5.00pm alternatively with Tour de France, also with RTF comments, but this broadcast has been cancelles due to a strike in France

 

I also found that, it was presented as "Reportage sportif" ("Sports broadcast"), but I honnestly doubt if was an F1 race

- 05/19/1957 from 2.55pm to 4.45pm

- 08/03/1958 from 2pm to 6pm

- 09/07/1958 from 2.30pm to 3.40pm

 

As far as I know, the first Eurovision broadcast was Monaco 1959, so before that, only the host country eventually broadcasted the race. As the last Swiss GP was in august 1954 and the TSR was created in november 1954, I'm quite sure the only race broadcast in the TSR in the 50s was the 1959 Monaco GP.

 

I also have radio listings from TSR too, but I didn't check them.

Edited by Naglafar, 12 March 2024 - 19:01.

[Blue6ix]

Finally after a long time, the search is concluded for NBC Sports in Action programme and for their any relative episodes.

 

Sadly even though there were some new information about them and when considering the season of 1965 and for F1 broadcast coverage, those available featured listings even after a more thorough search weren't as accurate as I hoped for.

 

Even though there were some new additional Grand Prix seen in USA after all!

 

Their turn will come soon when I update the 1965 'Important Motorsport Events' list, but here is a new information flash for the 1964 F1 season broadcasts in USA and what comes about them:

 

Because of the ABC Wide World of Sports Annual 1964 edition, there was a more longer wait for publishing those search results than what was supposed to be for the 1965 season.

 

For a good reason.

 

I may have forgotten to mention that at time, but that sports anthology book was a really good inside feature for that year's sports events.  

 

Most importantly it featured F1 racing from Europe or like quoting from the book, Grandes Epreuves from Europe in that year!

 

Also, aside from ABC coverage, there was NBC coverage and actually they had an additional race swap, meaning that NBC gave up over British Grand Prix from Brands Hatch and give it to ABC to show for.

 

Sadly they did show Dutch Grand Prix and Belgian Grand Prix for that year as mentioned before, but their one other race after two race swaps meant that they intended to show one or two, maybe possibly up to three more races.

 

So the question for the NBC is that what was the subsitute race ultimately?

 

Also for the United States Grand Prix from the Watkins Glen, ABC had negotiations for that year's race, but decided to relinquish the race so it was up to CBS, NBC possibly or some local affiliate channels to show that year's race.

 

It was mentioned that ABC intended to show the 1965 United States Grand Prix, but sadly it's ultimate coverage destiny as what comes to it's possible live coverage remains hidden for a time being.

 

Because of the mentioned anthology book it seems finally that ABC did cover these following races in 1964 F1 Season:

 

Monaco

 

Rouen (After a swap from NBC.)

 

Brands Hatch (After a swap from NBC.)

 

Monza

 

Mexico City

 

Color commentator for the ABC F1 season 1964 races usually were if not all of them of course no other than Jim McKay and co-commentator was actually a very known motor sport person:

 

No other than Sir Stirling Moss himself, quickly establishing his position as a very important co-commentator.

 

Basically it seemed, that he was a important predecessor for Jackie Stewart what came for American F1 broadcasts as a commentator.

 

Also Moss was sometimes featured in the Canadian F1 broadcasts as well as a co-commentator when their own respective race broadcasts weren't covered for.

 

Moss basically were the 'Mr. Listener' or 'Mr. Advisor' for the 1960s and the same role came to Stewart's hands in the 1970s actually a decade later, right after when Sir Jackie had his career ending permanently for good, I think it was during the March of 1974 and after many, fruitless rumors for his supposed 'one more race' comeback that never came at all when he announced that he will remain retired and be a co-commentator for ABC and special ambassador for Ford.

 

One additional note from the 1964 Mexican Grand Prix and it's from the anthology:

 

'With Mexican President Adolfo Lopez Mateos and Prince Philip of England among the 80,000 spectators the Grand Prix was telecast live in Mexico by ABC.''

 

ABC possibly had some live segments from the race if not even a complete surprise coverage as a live featured special broadcast in Wide World of Sports with a shortened re-run later on also with a different date.

 

As what comes for the rest of the seasons F1 races, it is a bit of question for a time being.

 

After many hours of searching and when comparing some of the intended broadcasts of the NBC Sports in Action-programmes, it seems to me that for the 1964 F1 season, anywhere around 8-9 races were shown in the USA back then.

 

Two others as when most likely race from the Watkins Glen was shown in American Television one way or another, were Nürburgring and Zeltweg meaning German Grand Prix and Austrian Grand Prix, are sadly somewhat uncertain at the moment since those two races were possibly shown in NBC or sadly only one of them were shown and one of them were cancelled because of only one permanent contracted race was to be shown, if there was a races to swap or cancel before the supposed showing.

 

Possibly even the whole season could have shown in USA back then and even a very near full-season viewing was a good thing back then.

 

Other motor racing coverage mentioned in that book featured Sebring 12 Hours Race, Daytona Continental 2000 Kilometers Race, Daytona 500 and Le Mans 24 Hours to have been shown by ABC.

 

For the 1965 races, I will explain situation for that year in the next message.

Edited by Blue6ix, 26 March 2024 - 18:45.

[Blue6ix]

When considering about US F1 TV Coverage history and especially from the 'Peacock Channel' meaning of course NBC's perspective, it seems to me that particular channel had an interest to show F1 races in the USA back in the 1960s with a variable amount of races depending on the season.

 

In this message, there will be a update about the matter for the season of 1965 and when considering the situation of NBC:

 

After a very long and thorough searching for those possible NBC Sports in Action programmes and their featured broadcasts I discovered that possibly NBC had around appoximately two more broadcasts from the 1965 F1 Season.

 

Possibly even three could have been a possibility, but for a one reason:

 

In South Africa there wasn't a TV back then and unless there were some sort of filmed coverage via special means, that meant it weren't shown possibly at all by any channel.

 

In 1964 F1 Season the South African Grand Prix were cancelled and it was transferred to be from final race of 1964 immediately to begin F1 season of 1965 at New Year's Day.

 

So the two other races were most likely shown in USA and those two were Silverstone and Monza, meaning of course the British Grand Prix and the Italian Grand Prix for that year.

 

One thing that I'm not so sure of is about the exact episode which aired those featured races in Sports in Action programme at NBC?

 

Races in there were shown some weeks later, but sometimes they were shown even months later after the race date.

 

It seems to me also that NBC also sometimes wanted to show Monaco Grand Prix too in those years, but always ABC did hold it in their claws so they most likely didn't broadcasted them or if they did, only in some sort of brief clipping coverage or from the preceding year/years so to not have ABC' anger targeted to them.

 

Also additionally, It seems to me also that ABC also had negotiations in 1965 to show United States Grand Prix too in those years, but CBS and some local affiliate channels did hold it in their claws with ire so they most likely didn't broadcasted them or if they did, only in some sort of brief clipping coverage or from the preceding year/years so to not have CBS's, NBC's or local affiliate channels anger targeted to them.

 

Listings information that have at least helped about this are mostly from the TV Guides and from the listings archives of Michigan region channel known as WWJ-TV and NY-Channel 4 and those two are from Detroit area or very near it otherwise in Michigan providing local and NBC programmes and from New York as per with letters NY.

 

Sadly starting from the July of 1965, they weren't really that accurate for and had a period of misgivings and some very fast programme switching that went eventually near the end of the season or at least close by the date of the 1965 Italian Grand Prix at the earliest.

 

I may fulfill the possible holes as soon as I just have the concrete information or timetables set for them.

 

That is only if by some miracle, I could find some of those missing TV Guides from the listings archives of Michigan, Detroit and from New York regions or even all of them.

 

Because of how it is at the moment or for a time being, I will now just update those 'Important TV Motorsports Events' list for the year of 1965 and hope for the best to come in future!

[Blue6ix]

I had this message back in 26.9.2022 as well as in 13.2.2024 this year, but...

 

I decided that a little update as in big message could be more meaningful this time.

 

Here is a little list for each channel covering 'Important TV Motorsport Events' by each event for 1965 as confirmed or otherwise told/found even though United States Grand Prix possibly had broadcasts both for ABC and CBS and it is updated very importantly with new found F1 races, which I really think were shown in USA back then and there are some new founds too for the other motor racing events:

 

'Important TV Motorsport Events' 1965

 

ABC: Daytona 500, Daytona Continental 2000 Kilometers, Richmond 250, Sebring 12 Hours, Rebel 300, Monaco Grand Prix, Indy 500, Le Mans 24 Hours, Firecracker 400, German Grand Prix, Southern 500, National 400, United States Grand Prix possibly and if it weren't shown on it it was shown in CBS or local affiliate channel like Seneca TV or Schenectady TV, Mexican Grand Prix, Golden State 100 and American 500

 

NBC: Belgian Grand Prix, French Grand Prix, British Grand Prix (It did most likely air later, but only for clear and descending order, I have decided to put it earlier than Dutch Grand Prix.), Dutch Grand Prix (It's own NBC Sports in Action episode were far more clearly marked than the episode possibly containing the British Grand Prix at the moment.), Italian Grand Prix (It did most likely air later, at the earliest not too long before the supposed United States Grand Prix and at latest possibly even months after the race and possibly far after the Mexican Grand Prix at the end of the season. It's own NBC Sports in Action episode possibly containing it is somewhat obscure like the British Grand Prix at the moment.) and Stardust 200 Miles 

 

CBS: Jimmy Bryan Memorial Trophy and United States Grand Prix provided that ABC or local affiliate channel didn't covered it

 

Hopefully there is some new information as time goes by like in this case with French Grand Prix and Belgian Grand Prix even though both of those were a very lucky coincidence to be even found out at all  .

 

Sadly for the British Grand Prix and Italian Grand Prix things are somewhat unsure by the moment and I was very close to put some question marks over them for a time being, but decided not to for at least this one time only since with additional notes from the other magazines it seems that they were shown, but when exactly is the more concerning matter.

 

F1 races were seen in US back then like this and I think like in the season of 1964, then the previous year, around 7-9 races were shown in USA to an almost complete season.

 

Which was a good thing back then.

 

There aren't possibly that many other motorsport events left after all of these updates.

 

Only around 4-5 races for the ABC, only two races at best and possibly for the worst four races for the NBC rumoured possibly to be some NASCAR or USAC races since there possibly were more races shown than what is said mostly on those so called 'memories' which possibly are wrong anyway or at least many people are possibly referring the information from the other year rather than the correct one and either 2-3 races for the CBS remains hidden from the 'Important TV Motorsport Events' list for this particular year.

 

I possibly think about making of a list containing some other 'Important TV Motorsport Events' from the other different years of 1959-1964, 1966-1969 and 1971-1978 since there are actually a loads of Motorsport Events to have been broadcasted on the US television back then with addings from the Canadian ones too.

 

For the years of 1965 and 1970 it's unnecessary to do such a thing since those years have already been mentioned before and those years could simply be just updated when in need to do that.

 

Even though for all of those other years, information and amounts of the race events could be quite huge and also sadly I have been unable to discover any sure, concrete 'Important TV Motorsport Events' as like in official statement for the American TV channels from those years.

 

So they would most likely be just addings with the basic information from the different magazines, listings, possibly from memories of the other users and so forth.

 

Hopefully new information and some other knowledge with these motorsport events coverage could be found in future.

Edited by Blue6ix, 26 March 2024 - 20:27.

[Blue6ix]

I have TV listings of french swiss channel (TSR) since 1957. I searched for the 1957-59 period and I only found that :

- 05/10/1959 (Monaco GP) : 5.10pm to 6.10pm (comments from RTF)

- 07/05/1959 (French GP) : 3.00pm to 5.00pm alternatively with Tour de France, also with RTF comments, but this broadcast has been cancelles due to a strike in France

 

I also found that, it was presented as "Reportage sportif" ("Sports broadcast"), but I honnestly doubt if was an F1 race

- 05/19/1957 from 2.55pm to 4.45pm

- 08/03/1958 from 2pm to 6pm

- 09/07/1958 from 2.30pm to 3.40pm

 

As far as I know, the first Eurovision broadcast was Monaco 1959, so before that, only the host country eventually broadcasted the race. As the last Swiss GP was in august 1954 and the TSR was created in november 1954, I'm quite sure the only race broadcast in the TSR in the 50s was the 1959 Monaco GP.

 

I also have radio listings from TSR too, but I didn't check them.

 

Are you so sure about that?

 

Meaning about the supposed first Eurovision broadcast?

 

Or are you perhaps thinking about the Swiss situation for their own TV broadcasts?

 

Because even in this topic dweller23 had mentioned this thing as a following one and Eurovision has had sport broadcasts even earlier than that or were a part of their respective test coverages:

 

''Found some very interesting information regarding RAI broadcasts:

- Piero Casucci was F1 commentator for RAI at least since Monaco 1959. His last commentaries should be around 1974-75 (last confirmed: Italy 74)

- Italy 55 was available on Eurovision. This is the oldest F1 race confirmed to be available on Eurovision!

 

And something that I knew for a bit of time:

- First F1 race shown in Italy on TV is 1953 Italian GP (three live segments). Interestingly, parts of that broadcast (if not everything) are still in RAI archives''

 

And there are also many other countries rather than the host country themselves which did broadcast some races in the 1950s and most likely it was only possible thanks to Eurovision network at all.

 

I personally mentioned two very early times that Belgian television had F1 occuring back then in 9.7.2021 which most likely meant that Eurovision were involved like this:

 

''Some of them weren't at least not formerly on the list so I will put them down here or the following messages after this one race for the season of 1955 which had two different programme labels for the race:

 

Grote Prijs der Naties voor Motorrennen/Motorwedstrijden Eurovisie Monza (This race weren't supposed to be seen at all, but finally it was seen either as a full live coverage or as in a segmented live coverage in NIR-TV/BRT.)''

 

And here is a another one from the same day:

 

''Here is some Belgian F1 TV coverage for the season of 1956 when there were at least two races which weren't supposed to be shown in Belgium once again with some different programme labels and this time with hopefully matching timetable schedule for one race:

 

Grote Prijs der Naties voor Motorrennen/Motorcarrace/Motorwedstrijden Eurovisie Silverstone 14.15-16.21 o' clock (This was at least a mixed coverage in NIR-TV/BRT with the White City Fair race from the athletics.)

 

Grote Prijs der Naties voor Motorrennen/Motorwedstrijden Eurovisie Monza (This race weren't either supposed to be seen at all, but finally it was seen as a surprise coverage. I'm not sure about being a live coverage, but it was supposedly to be seen as a proper highlights or as a segmented non-live coverage in NIR-TV/BRT.)''

 

Those Belgian ones were indeed quite a findings back then and I have found some more of their broadcasts as well a Dutch TV ones too.

 

PS. Also for those "Reportage sportif" dates one of them from the year of 1957 couldn't possibly have any F1 coverage since there weren't any F1 race to be seen that day. However, what's interesting is that those other two from the 1958 actually and possibly match their timetables and dates with the 1958 German Grand Prix and the 1958 Italian Grand Prix unless they were mentioned within different order.  

Edited by Blue6ix, 26 March 2024 - 23:33.

[Blue6ix]

What comes about F1 TV Coverage in Greece during the 1980s, I have found out some more additional Grand Prix broadcasts which were seen in Greece back then.

 

Meaning usually coverage televised by ERT1 or ERT2 back then.

 

Even though I'm planning to do more thorough search in near future, here are the races thus far for some different races and after all of this there is a little more additional information about Greece F1 TV Coverage:

 

1985 Imola: This one was seen in Greece back then. I remember also that ERT was one of those contracted members for FOCA TV Country list to show it.

 

1985 Monaco: This one was seen in Greece back then. I remember also that ERT was one of those contracted members for FOCA TV Country list to show it.

 

1986 Jerez: This one was seen in Greece back then.

 

1986 Imola: This one was seen in Greece back then. I remember also that ERT was one of those contracted members for FOCA TV Country list to show it.

 

1986 Monaco: This one was seen in Greece back then. I remember also that ERT was one of those contracted members for FOCA TV Country list to show it. As for how and by what method as for time being, I have no concrete information and I think it possibly might have been a some sort of surprise coverage as well. I once actually saw video from this race at F1GreekFan Memorial Page on Facebook so it's definitely have been shown in Greece some way or another. It is interesting to cover it, should any Greek newspapers be available to find out about that. As a little sidenote Greek Television or ERT:s commentary booth was actually side in side with BBC:s one and because of that sometimes Murray Walker's and James Hunt's own commentaries could be heard during the F1 broadcast of that race in Greece since color commentator for this particular race seemed to be quite quietful and calm fellow indeed.

 

1988 Hungaroring: This one was seen in Greece back then.

 

1989 Imola: This one was seen in Greece back then.

 

1989 Hungaroring: This one was seen in Greece back then.

 

As of what comes about F1 Color Commentator or a such important sportspersons in Greece during the late 1980s or even in early 1990s, there was a one particular man who was commentating them mostly if not nigh on all of them.

 

Especially in the years of 1987-1990 for ERT and after that for the years of 1992-1993 surely and somewhat unsurely also for the year of 1991 for Antenna TV meaning of course ANT in Greece which is or at least back then were a rival channel to ERT.

 

That person in question was this one:

 

Αρης Σταθάκης (Aris Stathakis as when Aris was a shortened nickname for the real name Aristoteles.)

 

He had a quite colourful and some times quite controversial yet calm and knowledgeable style when doing F1 broadcasts in Greece.

 

He also commentated ERT:s rally broadcasts during that time from the Acropolis Rally, from some other World Championship rallys and also some other domestic rallys as well.

 

Motor sport coverage in Greece was eventually quite, if not surprisingly good, but nigh on nothing when compared with Basketball, Football, Boxing or Wrestling with any style, yet especially against Greco-Roman Wrestling!

 

Those sports really get their lion share of sport broadcast times back then if not possibly a bit too much in Greece's own television.

 

Even though they had covered some very rare Eurobasket matches as well likewise with even NBA broadcasts!

 

I will try to search those Greek F1 races from the old times when I have more time, but here is some footage from the sadly late, eventually actually a Member of Parliament of Greece Aris Stathakis since he departed us back in 2014  :

 

Gerhard Berger Accident G.P. 1989 San Marino (youtube.com)

 

FORMULA 1 1989 Άρης Σταθάκης ΕΡΤ (youtube.com)

Edited by Blue6ix, 27 March 2024 - 17:19.

[Blue6ix]

When thinking about F1 TV Coverage in Greece during the years of 1984-1990 I'm currently still searching for some information about the possible race broadcasts.

 

However, I have managed to find out that there were actually many races that ERT (Their national TV broadcaster.) did managed to show in Greece back then.

 

Those newspapers that did have most of the information were translated as People, Every Day and Athlos. (No, I can't sadly provide possibly more accurate, real names of those newspapers because of translation engine that went bollocks and it is continuing to do just that. Repeatedly. ) They really had some good information about those F1 TV broadcasts.

 

However, I can show this demonstration here as an example which anyway was the first new one that I did found out about:

 

1984

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Άγιος Μαρίνος/Σαν Μαρίνο Ίμολα

 

It was shown in ERT1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece.) at 16-17.30 o' clock. (Possibly this were also a live coverage race as well. Sometimes it was mentioned that race only did begun at the actual start, meaning towards 16.10 o' clock.)

 

I will continue searching and will update those informations and races when I can.

 

PS. All those newspapers are from Veria/Veroia/Véroia/Vérroia or near it's regions originating of course from the Greece Highlands area which is near to the Macedonian borderlands and belongs to Greece's own Macedonian Mainland itself. It is a city in Central Macedonia Area and capital of the regional unit of Imathia.

Edited by Blue6ix, 08 April 2024 - 06:16.

[bathceltic]

1976 Dutch GP

 

Someone posted 8 minutes highlights on Youtube a couple of years ago. It seemed to be taken from the original full race coverage, It has now gone. 

Anyone ever seen the whole race. Would love to see it. Great race. 

[Blue6ix]

After my recent searching for the Greece F1 TV Coverage and starting from the 1984 onwards it appears to me that almost always Monaco Grand Prix and many other European Grand Prix races were shown particularly and nothing from the long-distance races possibly up to the year of 1990.

 

Even though for the positive side of things, it appears to me and also if the timetable matches for the race broadcast schedule, they always or almost always were live coverage ones and that way continued to be so also for the years of 1984-1990!

 

It is important to note that Greece gain it's third TV channel during that time, meaning of course ERT3 even though back then it was named as ET3 following the eventual merger of state-owned TV and radio services into ERT, as a single entity. Even in the previous year, meaning 1987, from the 1.11.1987 onwards ERT1 and ERT2 also changed their names either completely or had an alternative names of ET1 and ET2 respectively.

 

And it was to be called as a such until 7.6.2008 when it had a slight name change to ET3-ERT or ET3/ERT as indicated, because of the more raised ownership of the channel by the parent company meaning of course ERT and that name were being held until changed 11.6.2015 as temporarily and from the 29.6.2015, permanently to be it's current name.

 

It was so, because of the finally completed merger held up so long by arduous bureaucratic reasons.

 

It is also curious to note that when this third channel was launched back then December 1988 in Greece and exactly at 14.12.1988, it was a mixture channel and although it did broadcasted nationwide when in need, most of its content were aimed at Northern Greece. Back then, it mainly broadcasted from Thessaloniki and had it's main studios significantly in there rather than in Athens like ERT1 or ERT2 had, it also had many other regional studios and were the main programme provider for it's own affiliate channel's including local channels from Florina TV, Komotini TV, Alexandroupoli TV, Paros TV, Makedonia TV/Macedonia TV (Not to confuse with Macedonian TV since this one is for the Greece one and for Thessaloniki area anyway.), Lesbos TV with Mytilene TV and Samos TV.

 

Those three last mentioned were quite interesting ones, because all of those are islands regions.  

 

Also important thing to note is that during that time and starting from the 1989 season, it was possible to see Eurosport in Greece too, meaning of course more increased coverage from the F1 and from many other motorsport events.

 

Even before that year, for the F1 season 1988 and during it, starting from 18.6.1988 onwards there were many other debuting channels in Greece, formerly only watchable very mainly with cable or satellite were suddenly becoming more usual than ever before. Those other channels were Sky Channel, Super Channel, TV5, SAT 1, RAI Uno with far more broadcast range than previously and CNN for starters, many more coming with them permanently eventually like NBC Europe, Horizon, 3Sat, Cyprus SAT, MTV Europe and RTL:s channels from Germany or RAI Due and RAI Tre/Tres/Terza with far more broadcast range like RAI Uno too from Italy.

 

Also one important final note is that in the very end of the year of 1989 a new channel and eventual rival channel for ET were launched in Greece, meaning of course ANT1 which possibly had broadcasts even as early as in the season of 1990. Otherwise the new channel basically rested out it's maiden year and only possibly begun to broadcast F1 races in 1991 season at the earliest and eventually in the seasons of 1992-1993. Sadly for the season of 1990 it is a shady thing what comes about ANT1 possibly broadcasting races and even in this message it has been mostly meaning that most of, if not all of them were up to ET:s own channels in Greece to show F1 races for.

 

One new channel also found it's own way to the Greek mainland basically and formerly being very rare to be watchable channel. That were Spanish Television meaning TVE with either of it's main channel back then or it's own so called international version of it, meaning of course TVE Internacional.

 

Here are the timetables for each shown race as in the years of 1984-1990 and also sadly when the names of color commentators normally weren't confirmed:

 

1984

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Άγιος Μαρίνος/Σαν Μαρίνο Ίμολα

 

It was shown in ERT1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece.) at 16-17.30 o' clock. (Possibly this were also a live coverage race as well. Sometimes it was mentioned that race only did begun at the actual start, meaning towards 16.10 o' clock. This were mentioned just so as discussed previously. Possibly this race had a little more time to be shown for, up to the chequered flag with a few minutes to spare.)

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Μονακό

 

It was supposed to be shown in ERT1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece.) at 16.30-18.30 o' clock as a live broadcast, but this race of course got red flagged and eventually concluded as a shortened one with half points because of the supposed bad weather conditions and when the chequered flag were shown simultaneously with red flag. Debate of this race remains to be discussed and remembered up to this day whenever actions were intentional or non-intentional by the Stewards of the Meeting led with Clerk of the Courses including certain Monsieur Voiture de Securite... .

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Βρετανικό/Μεγάλης Βρετανίας Αγγλία Μάρκες Χατς

 

It was shown in ERT1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece.) at 16.30-18.30 o' clock. (Possibly this were a live coverage one, if the timetable for the race matches. Otherwise this is just a full non-live coverage. Also this was a race with red flags, meaning at time a two-part, combination time race. Possibly because of that reason this race likewise possibly also got time extension. Possibly this race also started a little later, meaning in this case 16.45 o' clock and if so that would have meaned basically starting the programme together or nearly together with green light! .)

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Πορτογαλία/Πορτογαλίας/πορτογαλική/Πορτογαλικό Εστορίλ

 

It was shown in ERT1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece.) at 17-18.30 o' clock. (Possibly this were a live coverage one, if the timetable for the race matches. Otherwise this is just a full non-live coverage. Possibly as a world championship deciding race, it got more broadcast time than what was supposed to be shown.)

 

French Grand Prix held in Dijon-Prenois got cancelled by ERT.

 

1985

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Άγιος Μαρίνος/Σαν Μαρίνο Ίμολα

 

This particular race were broadcasted in Greece as a live coverage, but it's exact timetable and by which channel showed the race exactly is currently very sadly unknown.   As previously mentioned before, this race was a part of ERT:s own programme to show for and when it was featured in FOCA TV Country list.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Μονακό

 

This particular race were broadcasted in Greece as a live coverage, but it's exact timetable and by which channel showed the race exactly is currently very sadly unknown.   As previously mentioned before, this race was a part of ERT's own programme to show for and when it was featured in FOCA TV Country list.

 

European Grand Prix held in Brands Hatch got cancelled by ERT.

 

1986

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Ισπανίας Χερέθ

 

This particular race were broadcasted in Greece as a live coverage, but it's exact timetable and by which channel showed the race exactly is currently very sadly unknown.   As previously mentioned before, this race was a part of ERT:s own programme to show for and when it was featured in FOCA TV Country list.

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Άγιος Μαρίνος/Σαν Μαρίνο Ίμολα

 

This particular race were broadcasted in Greece as a live coverage, but it's exact timetable and by which channel showed the race exactly is currently very sadly unknown.   As previously mentioned before, this race was a part of ERT:s own programme to show for and when it was featured in FOCA TV Country list.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Μονακό

 

This particular race were broadcasted in Greece as a live coverage, but it's exact timetable and by which channel showed the race exactly is currently very sadly unknown.   As previously mentioned before, this race was a part of ERT's own programme to show for and when it was featured in FOCA TV Country list. After all of this searching, I still have no concrete information and I think this race have been complete surprise coverage as well. Definitely, but still this race were seen in Greece back then. Because of all this shenaningans part with ERT:s action back then, it's starting to resemble some FOCA TV Country list 'Black Sheep' provider/operator member like Finland or some former Eastern Bloc country as well.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Ουγγαρία Χουνγκαρόρινγκ

 

This particular race were possibly or at least it was very heavily rumoured to have been broadcasted in Greece, However if not shown by some odd reason, it would be one of the very few European countries to not have broadcasted this race or for and when mentioning about FOCA TV Country Pool List to do so. Since nigh on every country on that list also with Eastern Bloc countries as well they really got a show on for that first ever held race in Hungary.

 

French Grand Prix held in Paul Ricard and German Grand Prix held in Hockenheim got cancelled by ERT.

 

1987

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Άγιος Μαρίνος/Σαν Μαρίνο Ίμολα

 

This particular race were possibly or at least it was very heavily rumoured to have been broadcasted in Greece. Especially since ERT back then most often showed this race rather than not at all. Even though the spesifics are currently unknown.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Μονακό

 

This particular race were possibly or at least it was very heavily rumoured to have been broadcasted in Greece. Especially since ERT back then most often showed this race rather than not at all. Even though the spesifics are currently unknown.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Ουγγαρία Χουνγκαρόρινγκ

 

This particular race were possibly or at least it was very heavily rumoured to have been broadcasted in Greece. Especially since ERT back then just suddenly started to show this race basically every year rather than not at all. That was quite odd when compared to many other races at time. Even though the spesifics are currently unknown.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Πορτογαλία/Πορτογαλίας/πορτογαλική/Πορτογαλικό Εστορίλ

 

It was shown in ERT1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece.) at 16.15-18.30 o' clock. (Possibly this were a live coverage one, if the timetable for the race matches. Otherwise this is just a full non-live coverage. Perhaps it got little more broadcast time than what it was supposed to since there were two starts for this race because of the red flags earlier in the race. In some newspapers timetable for this race indicated it being showed at 16.05-18.30 o' clock meaning 10-minute head start for the broadcast if shown like that.)

 

British Grand Prix held in Silverstone and German Grand Prix held in Hockenheim got cancelled by ERT. Especially the case of Silverstone was told before in another message when considering about the year of 1987, their race broadcasts around the world and FOCA TV Country Pool with Eurovision.

 

1988

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Βρετανικό/Μεγάλης Βρετανίας Αγγλία Σίλβερστοουν

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then new alternate name.) either as a full non-live coverage or only after a really long time when considering about F1 TV Coverage in Greece historically as a highlights at 00.45 o' clock and onwards with unknown length since it was the last programme on it's own TV day airing run.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Ουγγαρία Χουνγκαρόρινγκ

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme. ) was shown in ET1 at 15.10-18.30 o' clock and it was commentated by earlier mentioned Aristoteles Aris Stathakis.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Βελγίου Σπα-Φρανκορσάμπ/Σπα

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme. ) was shown in ET1 at 14-16 o' clock.

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Ιταλίας Μόντσα

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme. ) was shown in ET1 at 15.30-18.30 o' clock.

 

French Grand Prix held in Paul Ricard, German Grand Prix held in Hockenheim and Australian Grand Prix held in Adelaide were cancelled by ET.

 

1989

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Άγιος Μαρίνος/Σαν Μαρίνο Ίμολα

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then still quite new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Domenica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 15.30-18 o' clock and it was commentated by earlier mentioned Aristoteles Aris Stathakis.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Μονακό

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then still quite new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 16.35-18.30 o' clock.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Γαλλίας Πολ Ρικάρντ

 

It was shown in ET2 (Public Television Second Channel in Greece with then still quite new alternate name and this was the first broadcast ever for the second channel in Greece for F1.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET2 at 16.50-18.30 o' clock. Possibly it had more broadcast time than that because of the aborted first start including red flag period, necessitating a second start.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Βρετανικό/Μεγάλης Βρετανίας Αγγλία Σίλβερστοουν

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then still quite new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 17-18.30 o' clock.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Γερμανία/Δυτική Γερμανία/δυτική γερμανία/Ομοσπονδιακή Δημοκρατία της Γερμανίας Χόκενχαϊμ

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then still quite new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 16.45-18.30 o' clock.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Ουγγαρία Χουνγκαρόρινγκ

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece with then still quite new alternate name.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 15.25-18.30 o' clock and it was commentated by earlier mentioned Aristoteles Aris Stathakis.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Βελγίου Σπα-Φρανκορσάμπ/Σπα

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 16.30-18.30 o' clock.

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Ιταλίας Μόντσα

 

It was shown in ET2 (Public Television Second Channel in Greece with then still quite new alternate name and this was the second broadcast ever for the second channel in Greece for F1.) even though in special form after a more thorough searching.

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET2 at 15.50-17.30 o' clock. Possibly it had more broadcast time than that because of the aborted first start including red flag period, necessitating a second start.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Πορτογαλία/Πορτογαλίας/πορτογαλική/Πορτογαλικό Εστορίλ

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 16.20-18.30 o' clock.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Ισπανίας Χερέθ

 

It is hard to say, if it were a full live coverage or only a featured programme with some segmented live parts on it or even mainly that being as a some sort of long highlights programme since the whole race itself were possibly also sharing it's own broadcast time with another sport event in programme which could favorably be translated as Panorama of Sunday Sports which basically was a Greece's own version of Rumanian Duminica Sportului programme or had in common with Polish Studio Sport programme.

 

By methods of broadcasting it's featured events of course. So, it could have been either a main event or just some of it's featured programme. This programme (I'm sorry about not being able to know or translate precisely the real name about this special programme.) was shown in ET1 at 16.20-18.30 o' clock.

 

There really weren't anymore cancelled races by ET, but Canadian Grand Prix held in Montreal were heavily rumoured to be cancelled anyway.

 

1990

 

Φόρμουλα 1  Γκραν Πρι Άγιος Μαρίνος/Σαν Μαρίνο Ίμολα

 

This particular race were broadcasted in Greece as a live coverage in ET1, but it's exact timetable for the race exactly is currently very sadly unknown.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Μονακό

 

This particular race were broadcasted in Greece as a live coverage in ET1, but it's exact timetable for the race exactly is currently very sadly unknown.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Πορτογαλία/Πορτογαλίας/πορτογαλική/Πορτογαλικό Εστορίλ

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece still with somewhat new alternate name though not so long anymore especially any further than after this year.) at 16.30-18.30 o' clock. (Possibly this were a live coverage one, if the timetable for the race matches. Otherwise this is just a full non-live coverage. Perhaps it got little more broadcast time than what it was supposed to since there were red flags very late in the race and when speculating about possible re-start for 10 final laps. Which of course never came and it went that way when the race were concluded as it was with Nigel Mansell winning this race. Race ended prematurely because of the crash involving Aguri Suzuki and Alex Caffi.

 

Φόρμουλα 1 Γκραν Πρι Ισπανίας Χερέθ

 

It was shown in ET1 (Public Television First Channel in Greece still with somewhat new alternate name though not so long anymore especially any further than after this year.) at 15-17.15 o' clock. (Possibly this were a live coverage one, if the timetable for the race matches. Otherwise this is just a full non-live coverage.

 

So those races were seen in Greece during the years of 1984-1990.

 

There were also thirteen times when newspaper for the race date couldn't be found.

 

Those times were for the 1984 South African Grand Prix, 1987 Austrian Grand Prix, 1988 San Marino Grand Prix even though I strongly think so that this race were somehow seen in Greece as it was basically what ET wanted to show annually back then, 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix, 1989 Canadian Grand Prix even though it was rumoured to have been cancelled anyway by ET, 1990 Canadian Grand Prix, 1990 Mexican Grand Prix, 1990 British Grand Prix, 1990 German Grand Prix, 1990 Hungarian Grand Prix, 1990 Belgian Grand Prix, 1990 Italian Grand Prix and for the 1990 Japanese Grand Prix.

 

It also seems very probably that 1990 Australian Grand Prix possibly weren't shown in Greece back then by ET even though it was 500th Grand Prix which were otherwise shown in many countries at least as an exception, if not their only race in season because of the occasion and for pending actions regarding about Senna-Prost incident crast at Suzuka. Of course Eurosport did show the race in Greece though, but question is for the local channels if ever so.

 

I really think that many of those or at least few of them, meaning about 1990 European Grand Prix races were possibly broadcasted in Greece by their national television too since times were changing very rapidly in Greece during the years of 1989-1990 since motorsport TV coverage got bigger even in other events too even though rally coverage in Greece were always rather good and especially with Akropolis/Acropolis Rally.

 

Other than those mentioned ones missing, that's about it what comes about Greek F1 TV Coverage during those years or possibly even earlier.

 

There remains to see about the situation for the years of the 1966-1969 as well as with some 1981 races.

 

As well as in some other regions of the Greece and their newspapers.

 

Their newspapers could provide information for the neighboring countries as well.

Edited by Blue6ix, 12 April 2024 - 08:39.

[Blue6ix]

New Zealand broadcasted some F1 races in the 1980s though I'm currently searching for possibly even older broadcasts if possible to be find out after all.

 

New Zealand with Australia are a bit of special cases what comes about television broadcasts and especially with live television.

 

And of course when considering about 'good old days' broadcasts from this topic's main timeline or possibly even after it by some cases.

 

Here are the two newest finds from the TVNZ, meaning of course New Zealand's own television channel.

 

Here is the link for both races which were from Silverstone and Adelaide in 1987:

 

1987 F1 British Grand Prix Silverstone (VHS) (youtube.com)

 

1987 F1 Australian GP Adelaide (VHS) (youtube.com)

[Blue6ix]

When searching for some other old F1 TV Broadcasts from the different countries, it seems to me that Netherlands have had a quite many different and interesting F1 color commentators and co-commentators in the past.

 

Especially in the very notorious and sad 1973 Dutch Grand Prix they had Frans Henrichs and Henk Terlingen as a color commentator and co-commentator/programme presenter/pit reporter.

 

NOS, NTS and Nederland 1 showed races back then in Netherlands.

 

Interesting were also their other sport broadcasts as well and even if they were known from their F1 broadcasts, they had their most famous commentated broadcasts either in other sports or events.

 

For Henrichs, he once literally was 'Heer Ijshockey' and phrase 'Eurovisie, Nederland, NOS, Frans Henrichs over Ijshockey Wereldkampioenschap' were very well known at time and of course when reporting elsewhere the place was different, but it just were coined right when they were held in Netherlands at their own level.

 

Frans Henrichs Bokaal actually is also a trophy named after him for their own respective ice hockey.

 

For Terlingen, he once literally was 'Heer Sport in Beeld' and later of course 'Heer Studio Sport' when the programme name were changed, and nickname 'Maan Henkie/Apollo Henkie' hails from the Moon Landings of 1969.

 

Terlingen worked as a presenter for the programme called Reis Naar de Maan back then and after that literally were really famous if not before those days. Eventually he also was a 'Heer Eurovoetballgoals' because presentations of Euro goals for football.

 

Both of them, meaning of course Henrichs and Terlingen, seems to have many races commentated between them for F1.

 

It raises a question however since Netherlands had broadcasted F1 races quite a long time before the year of 1973:

 

What was the first race or one of the first races that Frans Henrichs commentated for the Netherlands Television?

 

For the eldest possible coverages, those claims hail from the late 1950s, but possibly he only started commentating them more often during the 1960s?

 

Mostly because of broadcast policies at time.

Edited by Blue6ix, 15 June 2024 - 01:36.

[Blue6ix]

After a long time and first bit of new information about as long time for Portuguese F1 TV Coverage I have managed to find out yet some new details.

 

Albeit only one year and particularly when considering the season of 1966.

 

Sadly it doesn't say anything detailled and for that I mean about the exact F1 races shown in Portuguese TV or RTP precisely.

 

These little info snippets were gathered from then 50 years anniversary book of RTP.

 

So mostly these following phrases were taken from that book and were following ones and it told the situation for the other sports too as per 'Important Sport Rule' and as established by RTP within hopes of Eurovision too:

 

''Importante Programas Desportivo RTP 1966''

 

''Ao longo de 1966, os espectadores da RTP puderam ver 59 programas desportivo em directo, via Eurovisão. Foram, naturalmente, os programas desportivos os que tiveram maior destaque neste primeiro historico anos de via RTP.

 

''Lista de Importante Programas Desportivo Eurovisão 1966''

 

- ''21 transmissões de ciclismo''

 

- ''15 transmissões não Campeonato Mundial de Futebol/Outros de futebol''

 

. ''5 transmissões de automobilismo Grande Prémio de Fórmula 1''

 

-  ''4 transmissõesde hipismo''

 

- ''uma transmissão de judo, Campeonato Mundial de MotoCross e outra de Grande Prémio de Campeonato Mundial de Motovelocidade de 1966'' 

 

There were possibly more sports shown, but sadly they were not mentioned.

 

And same goes for the other motorsports like World Endurance Championship, but I think 1966 Le Mans 24 Hours were shown by RTP definitely.

 

Hopefully there will be some new information eventually following this update.

 

I'm not sure if the TV Coverage list right on the front page of this fine thread has already mentioned some RTP races or possibly even all of them when talking about the season of 1966, but if not then there remains some races to be found out.  

Edited by Blue6ix, 04 October 2024 - 20:06.

[nexfast]

The French GP was shown on Portuguese TV (RTP). I was there at the time and remember it quite well since it was my first contact with GP racing (poor Bandini...).

[Blue6ix]

When trying to find out at least some new information for possible DR F1 TV Coverage in Denmark during the 1970s I found out that in Germany particularly in some years have managed to show some Monaco Grand Prix races or British Grand Prix races as a last-minute coverage or at least seems to be so.

 

They were shown either in ARD or ZDF.

 

In the year of 1977 they somehow finally get excited about showing races even from the USA.

 

For that year not only Long Beach F1 race were shown in very late night, but apparently they also showed for that year's Indy 500 as well!

 

Indy 500 were shown as a surprise coverage either in ARD or ZDF and I at first made a mistake assuming it to be Danish DR which would have been even more sensational than this one.

 

They even had a re-run of the race (And if somehow they cancelled their supposed surprise coverage at time, then it was the only coverage in there back then, and if not cancelled by F1 race in Zolder.) in ZDF in 5.6.1977 at 15.50-17 o' clock.

 

Programme label text even for a re-run was quite a high-profile one indeed like this:

 

''500 Meilen von Indianapolis Schnellsten Autorennen der Welt''

Edited by Blue6ix, 06 October 2024 - 01:42.

[Blue6ix]

Also as mentioned before when trying to find out at least some new information for possible DR F1 TV Coverage in Denmark during the 1970s I found out that in Germany particularly in some years have managed to show some Dutch Grand Prix races as a last-minute coverage or at least seems to be so.

 

They were shown either in ARD or ZDF.

 

Also as mentioned before in the year of 1977 they somehow finally get excited about showing races even from the USA.

 

For that year not only Long Beach F1 race were shown in very late night as mentioned before, but apparently they also showed for that year's Watkins Glen as well! 

 

Watkins Glen were shown as a very late night surprise coverage either in ARD or ZDF and I at first made a mistake assuming it to be Danish DR which would have been even more sensational than this one.

 

Programme label text was the following one:

 

''Sport Extra: WM-Lauf Formel 1 Großer Preis der USA Ost''  

[Blue6ix]

Also as mentioned before when trying to find out at least some new information for possible DR F1 TV Coverage in Denmark during the 1970s I found out that in Germany particularly in some years have managed to show some other different Grand Prix races than those formerly mentioned ones as a last-minute coverage or at least seems to be so.

 

They were shown either in ARD or ZDF.

 

Also as mentioned before in the year of 1977 they somehow finally get excited about showing races even from the USA as mentioned before.

 

Not only from there, but from Japan as well!

 

Even though that isn't that surprising since they already had shown previous year's one.

 

1977 Japanese Grand Prix wasn't that different although there weren't any championship left at stake during that time unlike in year before back then.

 

Fuji were shown as a very early morning surprise coverage either in ARD or ZDF and I at first made a mistake assuming it to be Danish DR which would have been extremely sensational than this one.

 

Programme label text was the following one:

 

''Sport Extra: 17. Und Letzter WM-Lauf Formel 1 Großer Preis von Japan'' 

 

Apparently Danish DR had some negotiations for both years. Meaning of course for the 1976-1977 Japanese Grand Prix, but they were deemed to be too early for their TV to broadcast them and were then cancelled altogether.

 

Even though for the 1977 Japanese Grand Prix they considered a little longer showing the race either as a short highlights or a longer, approximately 1 hour long highlights programme of it which would have aired later in the morning like either 8-9 o' clock or 8.30-9.30 o' clock, but as before it eventually came to a naught.   

[jonpollak]

This is amazing info Blue6ix...
I thank you.
 
There are historians employed at NBC, ABC and CBS who can help you search for answers (you obviously know that already) and the Paley Center in NYC which has the largest repository of film, video, kinescopes and telerecordings of virtually everything broadcast in the USA.
 
Keep up this tremendous repository
 
Jp

[Blue6ix]

This is amazing info Blue6ix...
I thank you.
 
There are historians employed at NBC, ABC and CBS who can help you search for answers (you obviously know that already) and the Paley Center in NYC which has the largest repository of film, video, kinescopes and telerecordings of virtually everything broadcast in the USA.
 
Keep up this tremendous repository
 
Jp

 

Thank you very much!

 

That Paley Center sounds interesting to check out too.

[Blue6ix]

French TV History with F1 certainly seems to be a very long and sometimes quite a complicated one.

 

Especially with some of their broadcasts.

 

Alternatively if there sometimes were problems in very old days, they could still have some of their supposed broadcasted races viewed via borders of the neighboring countries.

 

I'm not exactly sure who was the very first color commentator for the French F1 TV History, but at least one name was definitely one of the very first ones or among the very first ones and eventually one of the most very famous ones indeed:

 

Léon Zitrone seems to be a one of the most earliest more regular color commentators in French TV back then.

 

If he didn't commentated the broadcast he at least did work as a presenter of the F1 broadcasts back then in the very late 1950s, most of the 1960s and up to the 1970s for some point.

 

One of the most famous ones for motorsport coverage outside F1 were indeed either the presentation or color commentating the 1966 Indy 500 race in France back then!

 

He also had some foreign, but still French language event presentation/commentating for as an example with Canadian SRC TV.

 

SRC TV was French-speaking channel in Montreal-Quebec area.

Edited by Blue6ix, 13 November 2024 - 16:12.

[Blue6ix]

1986 Australian Grand Prix basically had 44 different countries with their respective TV Country list.

 

I will mostly mention the different countries in it with possibly some different country TV channel names as well if they are or have been confirmed to have sent this race.

 

At least all those ones mentioned were offered to broadcast this following race as a championship deciding one and mostly as a live coverage even though there were some big changes possibly and possibly with some cancellations as well.

 

How it worked out eventually is sadly somewhat unknown, but mostly this race was viewed with many, many countries anyway.

 

However, Channel 9 eventually delivered that list to FOCA and all in due time for accordance to and with Eurovision too.

 

Excluding Channel 9 of course as a host coverage provider for this race, the following countries with a limited amount of overseas territory countries added for the list were included in it for sure:

 

1986 Australian Grand Prix FOCA/Eurovision Country Pool List

 

Argentina

 

Belgium

 

Brazil

 

Canada

 

Caracas TV (This is with Venezuela TV which oddly at least for now seemed to have been broadcasted this particular race for two different channels. Which channel did broadcast this as a live coverage and which not, has been remaining unknown for now at least.)

 

Chile

 

Colombia

 

Dominican Republic

 

Ecuador

 

El Salvador

 

France

 

Germany

 

Guatemala

 

Netherlands

 

Hong Kong

 

Hungary

 

Italy

 

Japan

 

Lebanon

 

Luxembourg

 

Malaysia

 

Mexico

 

Monaco

 

RFO Nouvelle-Calédonie New Caledonia (As an important note, this is a French overseas departmental free-to-air television channel available in the collectivity of New Caledonia. Alternate names to it are known mostly as a La Première Nouvelle-Calédonie, Nouvelle-Calédonie La Première, Télé Nouméa, Nouméa Télé, TV Nouméa and Nouméa TV.)

 

New Zealand

 

Panama

 

Peru

 

Poland

 

Portugal

 

Saudi Arabia

 

South Africa

 

Spain

 

RFO Tahiti Tahiti French Polynesia (As an important note, this is a French overseas departmental free-to-air public television channel available in the collectivity of French Polynesia. Alternate names to it are known mostly as a La Première Tahiti, Tahiti La Première, La Première Polynésie française, Polynésie française La Première, Télé Tahiti, Tahiti Télé, TV Tahiti, Tahiti TV, Télé Papeete, Papeete Télé, TV Papeete, Papeete TV, Télé Faʻaʻā, Faʻaʻā Télé, TV Faʻaʻā, Faʻaʻā TV, Télé Faaa, Faaa Télé, TV Faaa, Faaa TV, Télé Polynésie, Polynésie Télé, TV Polynésie, Polynésie TV, Télé Polynesia, Polynesia Télé, TV Polynesia, Polynesia TV, Télé Polynésie française, Polynésie française Télé, TV French Polynesia and French Polynesia TV.)

 

United Kingdom

 

USA

 

Uruguay

 

Venezuela (This is with Caracas TV which oddly at least for now seemed to have been broadcasted this particular race for two different channels within the same country. Which channel did broadcast this as a live coverage and which not, has been remaining unknown for now at least.)

 

Zimbabwe (After the 1987 British Grand Prix RTI or Cote d' Ivoires/Ivory Coast's own TV cancellation of that particular Grand Prix and with that particular country too, this is about one of my own biggest surprises if they really ever did show this race in this particular country.)

 

Once again there were also some so called 'grey sheeps' of the group which sometimes were also 'black sheeps' like Finland and it's television broadcaster for that year meaning of course YLE alone for the final time which did show this race even outside of the mentioned FOCA/Eurovision country pool list.

 

Oddly also Austria with ORF and Switzerland with it's many channels were either forgotten from the list or just broadcasted this particular race for their own as well since of course as for an example Gerhard Berger had just won his first Grand Prix victory in Mexican Grand Prix that year.

 

Hopefully some more information could be found out about this in future.

 

PS. Added info from and about situation in Austria and Switzerland since they both usually did broadcast even whole Grand Prix seasons and had been doing so for a long time even before the year of 1986.

Edited by Blue6ix, 16 November 2024 - 22:48.

[Blue6ix]

Oh, and before I forget about it all, I will provide a source of the preceeding message and for the reason, why I wrote about this particular issue can be viewed with this upcoming link and especially in part 17.49-19.14 from the following video when Channel 9 welcomed all of those following mentioned countries mostly since there were some outsiders as well:

 

Australian Formula One Grand Prix In Adelaide - 1986 - Full Race - YouTube

[Blue6ix]

1968 Mexican Grand Prix was definitely a very interesting race.

 

I really think that it has been seen in Mexico in one way or another and it was most likely offered to be seen in some other countries as well.

 

However, after these new bits of information here and there, the problem could be still present.

 

Problem is that which possibly exact channel did show it?

 

I was certain or mostly uncertain or unsure about this before, but after some new information and because of old message here in this site, I think that at least in the 1968 Mexican Grand Prix the network showing the race was different than normally.

 

It made certain, if especially this particular race were indeed shown in colour back there in Mexico.

 

Color TV broadcasts more regularly started in 1968 because of the same year Summer Olympics in Mexico and the F1 race weekend were held little after the Olympics and because the Mexican TV still had their color equipment at hand.

 

If so and if it really could be confirmed, that meaned that unlike the supposed normal Mexican Grand Prix broadcaster at time and from what I have been able to find out for now, meaning of course Canal 2/Las Estrellas/TeleVisa/UniVision TV didn't had any colour transmission for that race!

 

Only one Mexican TV channel had that color equipment for the regular color broadcasts at time and that was the usual outside races than Mexican Grand Prix TV broadcaster, meaning of course Canal 5/Telesistema/Telesistema Mexicano/Televisa/Televisa Viejo/Televisa Mexicano/XHGC-TV/XHGC-TDT/XHGC-TDT-TV!

 

So that is once again a bit of a dilemma it seems.

 

Also I have found out some other new information about two races from the season of 1970 and how they were most likely seen (And if I'm not mistaking about this.) in Mexico back then:

 

First for the 1970 British Grand Prix there was at least a 1 hour long highlights programme for that race, but it was shown a few days later in there at the earliest and approximately one week after the race. Of course as a color broadcast.

 

Second and for the last time at least for now, the 1970 Italian Grand Prix was shown live in Mexico, but because of the time difference from Italy to Mexico, in Mexico this race was basically a morning live race to have on TV.

 

6.20 am they had that race in there or thereabouts as their start time and also either as a surprise coverage or as a earliest possible programme for their own TV Day Schedules to have. Of course as a color broadcast.

 

Live Satellite TV Coverage however had it's own shenaningans and issues most likely shortly after the start so after they finally had their issues cleared it meant that Pedro Rodriguez had already retired from that particular race.

[Blue6ix]

About from the Mexican F1 TV Coverage issues, I had a rather long writing about it in 8.4.2022 and even after that particular date there still remains quite a lot to know about or search for!

 

I wrote about that with these words relevant to this current matter at hand and when I just described about it in the previous message:

 

''F1 broadcasts for the Mexico surely have been quite a hard search to try.

 

Especially for their old days.

 

As mentioned before, Mexican TV broadcasts for the years, say around 1962-1970 (And for the years of 1960-1961 for the earliest claims though I think them as disputed for or until better evidence for the matter.) have been concentrated for three different main TV networks and their local/affiliate channels.

 

Up to the year of 1982 I think every F1 TV broadcast in Mexico were seen eventually from the giant main network called eventually as Grupo Televisa.

 

XHGC-TV or more likely known as Canal 5 within their own respective local/affiliate channels covered over different Grand Prix in Mexico.

 

Canal 5 apparently take their main responsibility for any live races that Mexican television choose to show or as locally called vivo y en directo.

 

XHTM-TV or more likely known as either Canal 8 or Canal 9 or Nueve within their own respective local/affiliate channels covered over different Grand Prix in Mexico.

 

Difference however was that they apparently take their main responsibility nigh on always for any highlights races that Mexican television choose to show or as locally called en diferido.

 

Interesting is that, if Canal 2 never shown Mexican Grand Prix for the years of 1969-1970 then it most likely have been seen for those channels live as an exception even though there was some broadcast for the 1970 Mexican Grand Prix as per part of Hoy Domingo Esporte, but even that were supposed to be shown from the Canal 11.

 

Last and third channel as a main channel was XEW-TV or more likely known as Canal 2/Television de las Estrellas/Star Channel within their own respective local/affiliate channels covered over different Grand Prix in Mexico.

 

Important is for the last mentioned to have supposedly been the official broadcaster for the Mexican Grand Prix.

 

Some of the years it possibly shown races as meant to be so, but some years race broadcast most likely were outsourced to the different channel rather the main channel itself.

 

As per what was the correct channel is the main question for many years and for the near future to think about.''

 

1970 British Grand Prix most likely falls in category of XHTM-TV as a highlights.

 

1970 Italian Grand Prix most likely falls in category of XHGC-TV as a live coverage.

 

That's what it is for now at least what comes about the F1 TV Coverage in Mexico back then.

[Blue6ix]

I also discovered an old message from our own forum member Carlos Jalife dated back in 5.1.2004.

 

He had that message in the thread when considering about Le Mans 1964 with Raymond Baxter commentating it.

 

However he did have some interesting info about the Mexican F1 Coverage from the years of 1968 and 1970.

 

Which eventually lead me to write about those two very recent previous messages of mine own.

 

Especially he apparently did witness that 1970 Italian Grand Prix TV broadcast in Mexico at time.

 

Let's have a look for the man's own words, shall we?

 

Here they come:

 

''By the way, the first GP in coluor might have been the Mexican Gp in 1968. It was a few days after the Olympics in mexico City, which were broadcast in colour, and the equipment was used to do the Mexican GP too. Graham won the championship there. And yes I remember the british GP broadcast in colour in 1970, Jochen Rindt winning in the red Lotus, although the tape was shown in a one hour special program about 1 week later. The first live GP we saw was monza in 1970, but the TV signal started a bit late, it was like 6.20 am in mexico, and when we finally caught it, Pedro, who had been fighting for the lead in the first few laps, was already gone.''

 

PS. Corrected date of message to 5.1.2004 and not 4.1.2004.

Edited by Blue6ix, Yesterday, 22:34.

[Blue6ix]

After a bit more searching though, it seems to me that the 1963 Mexican Grand Prix was shown by Mexican TV as well.

 

How so?

 

I also discovered another old message from our own forum member Carlos Jalife dated back in 6.4.2002.

 

He had that message in the thread when considering about Your First Racing Memory.

 

This is a quite of an discovery!

 

Especially since he apparently did witness 1963 Mexican Grand Prix TV broadcast in Mexico at time as a child.

 

Which channel did that it's sadly unknown for now, but it's still a good sign when thinking about it.

 

Possibly it was XEW-TV or more likely known as Canal 2/Television de las Estrellas/Star Channel within their own respective local/affiliate channels covered over different Grand Prix in Mexico.

 

Since they usually had their responsibility as a official broadcaster for the Mexican Grand Prix at time.

 

Let's have a look for the man's own words, shall we?

 

Here they come:

 

''1963 (5 year old) the Mexican GP watching it in the TV and Jim Clark winning in a green car, while the mexicans retired. Instant fan of Jimmy, knew I had to be a driver.''

 

PS. Searching for any missing or new information for the Mexican F1 TV Coverage will continue all in due time when I have more time for that.

Edited by Blue6ix, Yesterday, 23:30.

[Blue6ix]

As for those possibly thinking about the exact threads where I got my new information or insipiration to write down what I did previously, these following two threads also having those messages previously mentioned and originally written by Mr. or Senor Jalife could be viewed with these following two links:

 

Le Mans 64 with Baxter - TNF's Archive - The Autosport Forums

 

Your First Racing Memory - TNF's Archive - The Autosport Forums

 

That's about it, I think for tonight at least and those two threads are definitely fine ones, but also short ones too.