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[OO7]

What Rumour?

I think this is about rumoured suspension upgrades, not the standard Monaco changes you mentioned previously.

[senna da silva]

A different torque map.

The wrong torque map.

[BernieEc]

So, I got a message asking why Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 'rely only on computers'. I'm afraid to say it's common practice and something that every single team does up and down the pit-lane.

If that is the case then am afraid the competitions computers are running the most up to date and fastest intel chipsets whilst Macca is either running an old 486 chipset in the box room of a flat share in woking or their computers aim"t booting up. Cos the ptistop strategy and messages are certainly not coming thru!!!

[Markn93]

Exactly, everyone trying not to get frustrated.

Second in the constructor's after what has been, by the team's high standards, a very poor start to the season is a feat in and of itself. Far too early to be getting frustrated, I feel, and a good result in Canada, which has been good to us in recent years, will hopefully go some way towards settling everything down for the remainder of the season.

I don't know why, but with what has happened so far this season I get the impression it may be something we fans and team members, the media, etc, look back on at the end of the season, and laugh about how disastrous it all was, but in the end everything will have turned out for the best.

(Of course I must end with the obligatory, "Go get 'em Andy!" )

Edited by Markn93, 29 May 2012 - 20:19.

[as65p]

A different torque map.

What was the idea behind changing it at the last moment?

[bonjon1979a]

What was the idea behind changing it at the last moment?

Similar to what happened in Melbourne it seemed to me. Don't want to feed the conspiracy theorists but...

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

[Towny]

Exactly, everyone trying not to get frustrated.

There's no need to get frustrated, lewis is only 13 points off the lead and lady luck will play its part this season, i think mclaren should be happy lewis isn't further behind, its not been a great start to the season, mclaren just need to iron out a few mistakes and the wins will come as i always say its swings and roundabouts.

[as65p]

Similar to what happened in Melbourne it seemed to me. Don't want to feed the conspiracy theorists but...

Ain't it a bit strange how many people are perfectly happy believing in a conspiracy and seem not the slightest bit interested to learn about the reasons?

Okay, I admit that was a trick question. Obviously conspiracies and knowledge are like fire and water...

[Pudu]

There's no need to get frustrated, lewis is only 13 points off the lead and lady luck will play its part this season, i think mclaren should be happy lewis isn't further behind, its not been a great start to the season, mclaren just need to iron out a few mistakes and the wins will come as i always say its swings and roundabouts.

Right except go look up the winning margins for 2008, 2009, 2010 championships.

I've been a McL fan for decades. But really, in F1 - once is bad luck. Multiple times is just bad.

Edited by Pudu, 29 May 2012 - 21:19.

[Towny]

Right except go look up the winning margins for 2008, 2009, 2010 championships.

I've been a McL fan for decades. But really, in F1 - once is bad luck. Multiple times is just bad.

Yeah your right 2008,2010 went down to the last race the drivers who were fighting for the title all had there fair share of mishaps, not one driver had the perfect season, 2009 was won with 1 to spare so tight ish,

[ayanate]

Right except go look up the winning margins for 2008, 2009, 2010 championships.

I've been a McL fan for decades. But really, in F1 - once is bad luck. Multiple times is just bad.

Whitmarsh has to take responsibility for multiple screw-ups. He must be close to losing his job. I think he is a good technical manager but a weak man manager.

I also believe that he is desperate to be proved right about going with JB to the point where it is affecting overall performance of the team.

[dreamerBiH]

Does anyone think that raising the nose could hurt the development plan of the Mclaren cars. It seems that they have gained a bit less than the other front runners since the start of the season. Could it be that this other approach is causing them some issues regarding the further aero development?

[OoxLox]

Does anyone think that raising the nose could hurt the development plan of the Mclaren cars. It seems that they have gained a bit less than the other front runners since the start of the season. Could it be that this other approach is causing them some issues regarding the further aero development?

Well, it didn't do bad on LH's pole lap in Spain. That's still a good place to be fast at, and Monaco is a one-off place where it's easy to miss the sweet spot with the new tyres. Hopefully the rumoured new parts for Canada help with whatever traction problem they're having, so I'm keeping an optimistic eye on Canada and my shocking orange t-shirt in easy reach just in case.

[Pudu]

Yeah your right 2008,2010 went down to the last race the drivers who were fighting for the title all had there fair share of mishaps, not one driver had the perfect season, 2009 was won with 1 to spare so tight ish,

I just don't want to be forced to pin my hopes on Red Bull and Ferrari (and this year Mercedes and Lotus) cocking things up.

Macca has a decent car this year - be shame to toss it all away. Far worse than trying to play catch up in an under performing car.

[fieraku]

Second in the constructor's after what has been, by the team's high standards, a very poor start to the season is a feat in and of itself. Far too early to be getting frustrated, I feel, and a good result in Canada, which has been good to us in recent years, will hopefully go some way towards settling everything down for the remainder of the season.

I don't know why, but with what has happened so far this season I get the impression it may be something we fans and team members, the media, etc, look back on at the end of the season, and laugh about how disastrous it all was, but in the end everything will have turned out for the best.

(Of course I must end with the obligatory, "Go get 'em Andy!" )

I'd like you to read this again when McLaren lose title/s by 1point.....and there'll be 1000 pages of what could have been. Sorry but McLaren have been beyond pathetic going back to last year and pretty bad going back.......still thinking.....

Teams that constantly give up points due to errors and cockups never win titles,especially when they're gifting the points to their main rival.

Tell me how many races in the past 25 that McLaren didn't have a SNAFU?Think about it.

[BigCHrome]

Well, it didn't do bad on LH's pole lap in Spain. That's still a good place to be fast at, and Monaco is a one-off place where it's easy to miss the sweet spot with the new tyres. Hopefully the rumoured new parts for Canada help with whatever traction problem they're having, so I'm keeping an optimistic eye on Canada and my shocking orange t-shirt in easy reach just in case.

The car is fine in qualifying, the problem is the race. This car might have the worst tire management in the field, not counting the 3 small teams.

[packapoo]

The car is fine in qualifying, the problem is the race. This car might have the worst management in the field, not counting the 3 small teams.

Just made a small change to show what's holding Maccas up.

BRING BACK RON.

[PARAZAR]

Just made a small change to show what's holding Maccas up.

BRING BACK RON.

Ron is around. He was in Monaco.

[Stormsky68]

IMO the car is not the problem. Button is struggling with tyres in much the same way Webber did in 2011 whilst his team mate won the WDC.

Lewis has the talent to drive around most issues, he would be leading the WDC right now but for the clusterfcuk Mclaren call race management.

[SNiko]

Why McLaren turned their nose up

[equinoxuk]

What Rumour?

Hey Andy - rumour of a big low speed traction upgrade package for Canada....

[silversurf3r]

Does anyone actually have a link to the article on the rumoured suspension/gearbox update? I can't help but think this might actually be the recent Merc update for Monaco.

[bauss]

Does anyone actually have a link to the article on the rumoured suspension/gearbox update? I can't help but think this might actually be the recent Merc update for Monaco.

yes, I've seen no concrete source for this rumor yet... not having my hopes up.

[Timstr11]

Why McLaren turned their nose up

Hmm. Not impressed. This article misses the important point I think. Namely that with the 2012 regulations, the front wing needed to be worked less, in order to achieve a good aero balance. The previous setup gave more front downforce with a slight penalty for rear downforce. But rear downforce was in abundance last year due to EBD. With rear downforce in short supply, the front cannot be worked as hard any longer and they need every bit of rear downforce they can get.

[silversurf3r]

I realise this is about the -26 but I thought some might be interested. It's Scarbs' blog on last years failed EBD following a recent interview with Paddy Lowe.

The mythical 'Octozaust' revealed!

[colonelbadger]

I realise this is about the -26 but I thought some might be interested. It's Scarbs' blog on last years failed EBD following a recent interview with Paddy Lowe.

The mythical 'Octozaust' revealed!

Interesting that this solution was blowing before the rear tyres! The latest 2012 Red Bull controversy is related to slots BEFORE the rear tires, presumably attempting to do something similar with the gasses from the exhaust (albeit a very poor version). I'm no aerodynamicist so I could be way off here. But if it becomes legal I wonder how quickly McLaren would copy, since they've already explored this area.

[jrg19]

I hope/expect holes in front of the rear tyres in Canada.

[Pudu]

I hope/expect holes in front of the rear tyres in Canada.

The way things have been going for McLaren - I hope holes in front of (Red Bull's, Ferrari's, Mercedes, Lotus's) rear tyres in Canada.

[handel]

If there is a tangible difference in terms of mechanical grip between the old low nose and the new high nose I wonder why they didn't revert to the low version for Monaco?

[MortenF1]

Has there been any hints that the high nose has had an effect on mechanical grip (around Monaco)?? I find that very hard to believe.

[Towny]

I just don't want to be forced to pin my hopes on Red Bull and Ferrari (and this year Mercedes and Lotus) cocking things up.

Macca has a decent car this year - be shame to toss it all away. Far worse than trying to play catch up in an under performing car.

I'm like you mate, i don't want to rely on other teams to balls up but mclaren have made mistakes, and lets be honest without the cock ups we'd all be happy because lewis would be leading the championship, all we can do is hope mclaren don't make the same mistakes again and we can capitalise on lewis's great form and a decent car.

[Pudu]

I'm like you mate, i don't want to rely on other teams to balls up but mclaren have made mistakes, and lets be honest without the cock ups we'd all be happy because lewis would be leading the championship, all we can do is hope mclaren don't make the same mistakes again and we can capitalise on lewis's great form and a decent car.

Agreed!

And I'd love for them to turn the corner in Montreal - one of the best races on the calendar (usually).

[Kimiraikkonen]

Stop blaming the tires. ALL other teams have got the tire wear down. The team has been a complete failure this whole year.
Low nose - fail
Race pace - fail
Pitstops - fail
Strategy - fail
Starts - fail half the time
Button - fail
Putting fuel in the car - fail

Whitmarsh has destroyed this team. Before he came they were very good at everything, now I can't even remember the last time we had an error free weekend.

But despite this , we are on fight!!!

Keep the faith!

[Kimiraikkonen]

Agreed Bunk I think the next wave of races will suit the 27.

Our tyre wear is a big issue, if not upgrade it, then game over..

[Markn93]

Our tyre wear is a big issue, if not upgrade it, then game over..

Keep the faith

[Kimiraikkonen]

Exactly, everyone trying not to get frustrated.

Keep the Faith mate!!! Only six races at least.... come on boys!!!

[Kimiraikkonen]

Keep the faith ;)

x2

I love this words!!!!!

[Markn93]

http://www1.skysport...error-free-race

Lewis - "I just hope we get some updates to edge us closer to the others"

I wonder what if Andy could enlighten us as to whether or not Lewis will get his wish and what sort of thing they might be? (A hole/slot in the floor a la RB?)

Edited by Markn93, 31 May 2012 - 16:39.

[Bartel]

People are making way to much noise about a slot, it is not the be all end all to make the car faster an people asking for mclaren to have a slot in their floor or canada (just because Red Bull and Ferrari have one that is controversial) need a re-think. A slot in the floor will not suddenly put us atop, i care not for a slot i would rather an update that cures the burning out of the tyres. Mclaren are burning their tyres laps before other cars and have to run at a slower pace to others just to run "nearly" are far as the competition. They wont be winning anything unless they sort that out.

[BigCHrome]

People are making way to much noise about a slot, it is not the be all end all to make the car faster an people asking for mclaren to have a slot in their floor or canada (just because Red Bull and Ferrari have one that is controversial) need a re-think. A slot in the floor will not suddenly put us atop, i care not for a slot i would rather an update that cures the burning out of the tyres. Mclaren are burning their tyres laps before other cars and have to run at a slower pace to others just to run "nearly" are far as the competition. They wont be winning anything unless they sort that out.

Maybe the slot will add more consistent downforce to the car, so they won't have to run the car so stiff to get the ride height at the necessary level.

[Seanspeed]

x2

I love this words!!!!!

I didn't find the comment as funny as you did. Did I miss a joke somewhere?

[Bartel]

Maybe the slot will add more consistent downforce to the car, so they won't have to run the car so stiff to get the ride height at the necessary level.

2 slots in the floor isnt going to change the bloody spring rate of the car that has been sprung stiff for 3 years now, some people make such mountains out of mole hills. This slot reminds me of Ferraris holey nose "oh noez Ferrari have a hole in the nose its going to bring X seconds per lap the rest of the season will be Ferrari domination". Red Bull in my eyes would not have won that race had Schumacher not been penalised and this floor nonsense would be a non issue, move on

[H0R]

Oh and btw:
Happy Birthday, Ron Dennis!
65 today.

Edited by H0R, 01 June 2012 - 08:54.

[makroncommander]

People are making way to much noise about a slot, it is not the be all end all to make the car faster an people asking for mclaren to have a slot in their floor or canada (just because Red Bull and Ferrari have one that is controversial) need a re-think. A slot in the floor will not suddenly put us atop, i care not for a slot i would rather an update that cures the burning out of the tyres. Mclaren are burning their tyres laps before other cars and have to run at a slower pace to others just to run "nearly" are far as the competition. They wont be winning anything unless they sort that out.

Problem is the bloody tyres.

you build a car that's faster than others and drive slower to save the tyres.

[Kvothe]

I didn't find the comment as funny as you did. Did I miss a joke somewhere?

As long as I have known he has always finished a post in this thread with 'keep the faith', its almost like his signature.

Edited by Kvothe, 01 June 2012 - 10:46.

[IceSkyrim]

Oh and btw:
Happy Birthday, Ron Dennis!
65 today.

The same day of De Cesaris

[Owen]

Oh and btw:
Happy Birthday, Ron Dennis!
65 today.

I'm guessing retirement's not on the cards then.

[Gilles4Ever]

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