Just curious having looked through Chris Amon's career and wonder if anyone else qualified on pole more often than the luckless Kiwi who never won a WDC GP.
He scored 3 poles (in a row) for Ferrari in 1968 and 3 for Matra in 1971/72.
He also qualified on the front row a staggering 19 times!
I doubt that this non-conversion rate would be possible in today's reliability era.
The Most Poles Without Winning a GP
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 04:59
Nope, Amon is indeed the driver having had the most poles without winning a GP.
Second is Jean-Pierre Jarier with 3 poles without a win, but with 134 GPs (Amon 96 GPs).
Second is Jean-Pierre Jarier with 3 poles without a win, but with 134 GPs (Amon 96 GPs).
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 10:08
Warsaw.
(even as a Chris Amon fan...)
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 12:01
Did a little pole position research and found this:
Ronnie Peterson had 4 pole positions before he won his first race (not from pole), the first pole he converted to a win was his 7th.
While René Arnoux "only" had two poles before his first win, the first pole he converted to a win was his 14th.
Juan Pablo Montoya had pole position for 5 consecutive races in 2002 with only a 3rd and a 4th place to show for it.
Former teammates Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello both looked like equalling Jarier's achievement by scoring 3 poles before their first wins.
Ronnie Peterson had 4 pole positions before he won his first race (not from pole), the first pole he converted to a win was his 7th.
While René Arnoux "only" had two poles before his first win, the first pole he converted to a win was his 14th.
Juan Pablo Montoya had pole position for 5 consecutive races in 2002 with only a 3rd and a 4th place to show for it.
Former teammates Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello both looked like equalling Jarier's achievement by scoring 3 poles before their first wins.
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 12:24
Warsaw.
Took me several minutes before I got it. 
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 13:29
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Oh Ensign
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 14:27
JPM won at Monza in his rookie season - 2001Did a little pole position research and found this:
Ronnie Peterson had 4 pole positions before he won his first race (not from pole), the first pole he converted to a win was his 7th.
While René Arnoux "only" had two poles before his first win, the first pole he converted to a win was his 14th.
Juan Pablo Montoya had pole position for 5 consecutive races in 2002 with only a 3rd and a 4th place to show for it.
Former teammates Jenson Button and Rubens Barrichello both looked like equalling Jarier's achievement by scoring 3 poles before their first wins.
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 14:45
JPM won at Monza in his rookie season - 2001
Well yes, I wasn't talking about poles until his first win though (he "only" had two like Arnoux, and won from his third), the post might have been unclear. He actually failed to convert 7 straight poles after his first win, but that is dwarfed in comparison to Arnoux, so I didn't bother writing it.
But pole in 5 consecutive races and only a 3rd and 4th place is OTOH something unique and worth mentioning.
Edited by A.Fant, 02 June 2012 - 14:46.
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Posted 02 June 2012 - 15:42
Same.
Edited by Boxerevo, 02 June 2012 - 15:43.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 00:36
just read Motorport magazine article and was shocked by this one:
Teo Fabi had 3 pole positions but never led a lap of a GP!
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Teo Fabi had 3 pole positions but never led a lap of a GP!
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 00:44
just read Motorport magazine article and was shocked by this one:
Teo Fabi had 3 pole positions but never led a lap of a GP!
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Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after?
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:13
Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after?
Anorakish question: did he lead at the start-finish line? If not, it doesn't count in the statistics.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:24
Here it is:Anorakish question: did he lead at the start-finish line? If not, it doesn't count in the statistics.
He led an F1 race for all of two corners
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:28
Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after?
Reading here says he missed a gear a few laps before passing Berger , and "a few yards" after taking the lead, his engine went out to lunch.
edit -spillage beat me to it - with vision - thanks
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Edited by mymemoryfails, 04 June 2012 - 10:30.
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:33
Anorakish question: did he lead at the start-finish line? If not, it doesn't count in the statistics.
Well in Italy his engine stalled on the formation lap and had to start from the rear of the grid,... so no in that instance
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 12:39
I'm Pole from Warsaw
And it makes you one of the reasons Europe can not be integrated....
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Posted 12 June 2012 - 12:01
Actually, didn't he inherit the lead from Berger at the 86 Austrian GP only for his own car to fail soon after?
Sounds like he was the first Alesi.
