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[Barry Boor]

The chances of finding a 43rd scale Serenissima-A.T.S or two A.S.As to complete my 1966 Le Mans model set, this week I have obtained a model of a road-going Serenissima from 1969 which I intend to muck about with to make it look as close to the Le Mans car as possible. The nose of the car is quite similar but the rest of it is going to need a lot of fiddling.

The biggest problem is that there are so few photographs of car #24 at the Sarthe.

An Australian friend has sent me one but Google Images brings forth just one and that is a hand-drawn plan view of the car which at least shows the colour scheme.

Does anyone have any other photos of the car that will help me turn a road going car with a roof into a racing prototype spyder?

[Parkesi]

Dear Barry, to let you know:

* Sports Car Racing in Camera 1960 - 69 / Paul Parker / 2007 / page 166 - 167 / big colour shot of # 24 / Serenissima - ATS Spyder
& page 168 # 61 / ASA

** Le Mans 1960 - 69 / Quentin Spurring / 2010 / page 228 / 2 shots of # 61 & page 229 one shot (b/w) of # 24

If you do not have access to these two books please let me know your postal address - I`ll send colour copy asap.

*** 2 years ago I spoke to Mr L.G. Sechy in Zürich / CH who owns a couple of Serenissima cars.
He may be able to help you with photos of the racing version. Contact: lg.sechy@gspattorney.ch

All the best, Andreas / "Parkesi" / andreas.hackbarth@bshg.com

[arttidesco]

There is a b&w photo, drivers side front 1/4 view from Pritchards Classic Prototypes and Grand Touring Cars P207 I can scan for you ?

[Barry Boor]

Thank you all for the multitude of images that have flooded the ether since yesterday evening. I think I have plenty to go with now.

Unfortunately, the more I look at the Le Mans car, the less I think I can achieve with my diecast.

I'll have a go but somehow I think I'd be better off trying to carve a bodyshell then mould one up as I do with my 32nd slot cars. 43rd is a bit on the small side though, and it rather puts me off.

I'll update this thread if and when I make any progress but I would vouchsafe that breath should not be held.

[fatbaldbloke]

The ASAs have been made in 1:43 but as kits and hand builts by MR Collection. Don't recall seeing a commercially made model of the Serenisima but looking at it, if you were going to bash it out of an existing diecast I would think something like a Ferrari 250P would be a good starting point.

[Barry Boor]

There was a kit of the Serenissima. One turned up on Ebay some years ago. I thought about bidding but once it got over £100 I saw sense.

[Duc-Man]

MMK made a slot-car body of it.




Hope that helps a bit.
Both pictures are webfinds.

[Barry Boor]

That three-quarter rear view is very useful. Thank you.

[Bjorn Kjer]

I wonder if Barry got the pictures I send him ?

[Barry Boor]

Yes he did. Post # 4 was meant as a general thank to all who mailed me pictures.

[Bjorn Kjer]

OK Barry ,had that in in mind.

Have you thought of modifying a Ferrari 250P ? Small mods only , and the colour is the main thing , I believe .

Edited by Bjorn Kjer, 26 July 2012 - 19:01.

[VDP]

Kit maker Tenariv under ref083 made Le Mans Car

[Barry Boor]

That's correct. I have contacted them and they say there is no possibility of obtaining one from them.

I have requested one of my 1965 Ferrari 365 P2s from the dealer in the U.K. who is looking after (selling) the majority of my sports car models and have abandoned the Serenissima model.

Edited by Barry Boor, 27 July 2012 - 15:32.

[Barry Boor]

Well, here we are, eight years later and the truth is, I'm no nearer completing my 1/43rd 1966 Le Mans collection.

I think there have been a couple of Serenissima kits on Ebay in the last few years and both were bid up to over £100 - last year's one finished up at around £170, IIRC.

I am an old age pensioner with rent costs of almost £1000 per month so prices in that range are way out of my league.

It's such a shame.

[arttidesco]

Hard to believe there are not more 1/43rd scale models of a vehicle that sold for north of $4.75 million in February 2019 !

[Barry Boor]

I live in hopes that one day, Spark will produce a model of it. After all, they make just about everything else!

[Barry Boor]

Well......  accepting that there were only two chances of ever completing my 1966 Le Mans set of 43rd scale models, a dog's chance and no chance, I decided that I would attempt to create the Serenissima myself.  I looked at various cars from that era and settled on a Ferrari 365P2 as being vaguely the correct shape.

 

As Essex was in level 2 Covid control, my options to visit people were severely restricted I begun the task about 4 weeks ago and today reached about as far as I was ever going to get with it.  It involved a lot of dremmeling, a lot of filling and sanding, followed by spraying and vinyl cutting.  The wheel arches were a nuisance and the screen an absolute nightmare, as I knew it would be.  The screen was finally affixed this morning and that, gentleman, is that.  Or rather, this.....

 

 

 

It's far, far from perfect but it's about as good as my shaky old hands are going to be able to do so, finally, I can update the page on my website showing ALL 55 starters from that famous 24 hours in France.

[Jager]

Congratulations Barry, it's been a long road to get a model of the '66 Le Mans Serenissima. Of course, now that you've just finished it, Spark will probably announce it as a Q1, 2021 release .

[Derwent Motorsport]

Lovely Barry!

[Barry Boor]

Ian, I've been trying to contact you for a long time. Can you PM me an e-mail address, please?

[Macca]

This Serenissima Spyder is a relic of a forgotten 1960s race team | Hagerty Media

 

When I looked at the pictures of the original, I was struck by how similar it is to the shape of the 1964 Ferrari 275P/330P, including the windscreen; and I was going to suggest (or may already have done so and forgotten) that a cheap (John Day?) kit could have been obtained and mucked about with. The problem, however, would have been the wheels of the Serenissima which are alloys and look like those of the P2 and P3 Ferraris.

 

Anyway, very well done and I am impressed with your patience.

 

Paul M

[10kDA]

Well done, Barry. I think you nailed it.

[Jager]

Congratulations Barry, it's been a long road to get a model of the '66 Le Mans Serenissima. Of course, now that you've just finished it, Spark will probably announce it as a Q1, 2021 release .

I was out by a year, but the Serenissima has been announced as a Q1, 2022 release by Spark. They must be reading TNF .

 

 

Looks pretty good, but not worlds away from your effort Barry.

[arttidesco]

Visiting the Le Mans museum the other day I was drawn to one particular model from the display of models that competed in 1966 ....

 

  

 

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Don't think there is anything to improve on with your model Barry 

[Barry Boor]

Spark Models announced that they are releasing that very model in this past summer….  no sign of it yet.

 

Allegedly they are going to make the A.S.A. too.

[Duc-Man]

Spark Models announced that they are releasing that very model in this past summer….  no sign of it yet.

 

the Spark model is available now.

[Roryswood]

Comment on a French Forum that some detail is missing , Spark standards have been in decline for some time

[Barry Boor]

Now purchased!

 

Next to the Spark model, I have to say (modestly) that my carved about Ferrari really wasn't that bad - but I prefer the real one.