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#701 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 00:31

Please look again, Stephen...

Wasn't it ugly before the top was fitted?

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#702 Librules

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Posted 22 January 2018 - 09:48

As with many cars, I suspect beauty is in the eye of the beholder...



#703 ellrosso

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 05:54

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Bert had the Monza for sale in 1969 at his mate, Brendan Tapp's Pitstop Motors car yard in Moonah.

My brother and I stopped to check it out after getting some stuff at Max Stephens Motors (car accessory business). The Monza had the fins removed by this time and actually looked pretty smart. Was in good nick too - would have made a demon road car back then with its supercharged grey motor. Check out the crowd on the hill - Baskerville was pretty popular at this time. Went into the doldrums for a while in 1968.


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#704 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:49

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To my way of thinking it was the huge vacancy under the front guards which made it ugly...

The fins were just a thing of the time. But nothing, not even the DB3S or Buchanans, had that great gaping area behind the front wheels.



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Edited by Ray Bell, 18 May 2018 - 08:20.


#705 ellrosso

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 07:30

Have to agree with you Ray, the scallop was way too big. The Buchanan was certainly better. Graham Springer Buchanan Holden (grey Holden motor at this stage - had 179 later).1060-_H-_Buch-68-lo.jpg



#706 Ray Bell

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 11:46

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Originally posted by SJ Lambert
A relatively easy one from Ron‘s collection.

Name the car, driver, corner & year?

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I think we established that it's:

Bryan Thomson

Monza Holden

Longford 1961

Between Mountford and Water Tower, right in front of the pits.

And that the front guard scalloping is ugly. Very ugly.



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Edited by Ray Bell, 18 May 2018 - 08:23.


#707 cooper997

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 12:00

We can now add Mr Ellacott to the list of Lambert, Drage and Macarthur photographing at Longford in 1960.

 

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This is one of John's photos that I've just stumbled upon flicking through Motor Racing Australia #100. It's the Capitol Motors/Arnold Glass 250F clearly taken when Aussie Miller's Cooper was somewhere else.

 

Stephen


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#708 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 13:34

I'm having a hard time picking out Alec Mildren's tow car...

It's surely a GM product, as it's proudly displayed on the trailer that he's a GM-H dealer. But I can't pick it!

That trailer, by the way, is evident in the 1959 aerial photos from Jim Saward.

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 14:04

Ray, it's a Pontiac Star Chief. Very rare (even then) 4 door.

 

Almost all were pillarless 2 doors.

 

Cheers Steve



#710 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 21:28

Thanks, Steve...

I felt sure it wasn't an Olds or a Buick, but I couldn't google up a pic of a Pontiac with the trim and tail lights like that.

What year would it be? '57?

Alec might have taken it as a trade from Embassy staff or something. No doubt he would have sold it easily when he'd done with it.

#711 Porsche718

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 21:40

I think they call it a "2nd Generation" 1955-57

 

 

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I think you can see where the inspiration for the FB-EK rear tailights came from !



#712 Porsche718

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 21:50

and I found a 4-door

 

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#713 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 22:53

Thanks, Steve...

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It's good to remember the tow cars some of the top drivers, particularly the car dealers, used.

I'm not sure whose this 1959 or 1960 Chev is...

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...but this Pontiac is Stillwell's:

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Johnny Martin always had something smart, I recall.



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Posted 28 January 2018 - 00:58

In the above image that's a '60 Pontiac on the left, we had one when I was just a lad, and hard to tell in profile, I would say a '61 or '62 on the right. would need to see the tail lights to be certain.

 

Great images !


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:41

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John Ellacott photo Longford 1960 Derek Jolly in his Lotus 15 on way to winning the Australian TT. He shared this car with Graham Hill at LeMans 1959.


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:45

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John Ellacott photo 1960 Longford Ron Phillips in the Cooper Jaguar


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Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:46

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John Ellacott photo Longford 1960 Mildren Cooper Maserati  different gearbox and exhaust on other side.


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#718 ed holly

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:49

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John Ellacott from Warwick Farm 1961 photo showing another glimpse of the tow car and a different gearbox and engine from that used at 1960 Longford.


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#719 ed holly

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:51

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John Ellacot photo from Warwick Farm 1961 showing Mildren Cooper Maserati a different tow car and probably the same trailer repainted to show ... Mildren 1960 Gold Star Champion


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#720 ed holly

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 04:52

John asked me to post these photos for him ... Ed



#721 The Chasm

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 05:57

Is the Cooper Engine in post #713, the same as post #717 - yet the carbs have swapped sides ?.

 

Note the header tank location & shape.

 

Puzzling ?. - Edit- No, I just worked it out, the slide in post #713 is printed back to front - look at the writing on the tyre !.


Edited by The Chasm, 29 January 2018 - 06:02.


#722 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:34

There you go... that's fixed!

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And now we know whose Cooper it was and that it's definitely a 1960 Chev. These pics are from Warwick Farm, by the way, taken by Bob Britton.


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#723 Porsche718

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 06:48

The photos in posts 717 and 718 promt me to ask a couple of questions. I apologise in advance but I have used the Search function without much success on this issue.

 

Do the Mildren Cooper original 2.5 litre Maserati, and the later 2.8 litre engine coincide with the exhaust/carburettor positions being reversed? In other words are they different series engines. I had always assumed that the later engine was just a "developed/enlarged" version of the 2.5. And also - what make/series gearbox do the 2 versions run. The gearbox in 718 looks massive!

 

Lastly, how do the 2 different versions fit in with the "story" behind how Mildren came to use the Maserati in the first place.

 

The story as I have heard it is that Mildren approached Maserati Works to supply the engine/gearbox unit and they refused. So Alec either sourced bits from Centro Sud and/or sourced a motor and had his crew do the development/transaxles themselves?


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#724 cooper997

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 11:02

Wonderful selection of photos from the Ellacott and Britton archives. it might be getting close to 60 years since they were taken, but I'm sure many enthusiasts will be enjoying seeing them.

 

Thanks to all concerned.

 

Stephen



#725 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 21:17

Originally posted by Porsche718
.....also - what make/series gearbox do the 2 versions run. The gearbox in 718 looks massive!


The 'massive' box is a 5-speed Colotti...

The other box is what was normally seen in Coopers of the leaf-spring era, I have one photo which clearly shows the name 'ERSA' on the casting, I'm fairly sure they are a 4-speed.

#726 Ray Bell

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Posted 29 January 2018 - 23:11

A couple more Britto pics...

The earlier Cooper Maserati gearbox, with the ERSA name cast on the side:

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If memory serves, ERSA were the people who made he Citroen gearboxes of the time and they made a special case for Cooper.

Later Cooper went a different direction...

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A coil-sprung car, so a later model, were these the Jack Knight gearboxes?



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Edited by Ray Bell, 18 May 2018 - 08:29.


#727 cooper997

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 04:16

There is a high chance that 50 years ago enthusiasts were running around Tasmania with these stuck to the windows of their car's in the run up to, what would ultimately be the last ever Longford South Pacific Trophy International Meeting for the final round of the 1968 Tasman Championship.

 

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Stephen


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#728 ellrosso

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 05:21

Yes wonderful colour shots - we're lucky they are around and being shown.



#729 ellrosso

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:21

Those stickers were prized items back in the day - proudly displayed on hot FJ's, EH's, Cooper S's, Cortina GT's etc. Longford was a really big deal for Tassy's back then and probably felt even worse than Adelaide losing the GP to Melbourne when it all fizzled out in 1968. Losing Jim Clark really topped it off........ Motorsport in Tassy went through a real lull in 1968 and didn't really pick up till 1970. Certainly entries for Baskerville were well down in 1968/69. Symmons was only saved by the the ATCC and Gold Star. Quite a few Northern drivers only raced at Symmons in 1968.



#730 cooper997

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 23:30

Fifty years ago today and Tasmanians and motor racing enthusiasts from all over had a far more interesting prospect for their weekend entertainment with Longford getting under way. Certainly more fun than this year with Tasmania's State Election the focus.

 

Saturday, March 2, 1968 and the punters were forking out their 30 cents for this and hoping to see some great racing.

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Stephen


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#731 ellrosso

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:02

Yes and I wish I was one of them. I had to settle for the ABC telecast of the Saturday race...386_K_st_Lap_68-lo.jpg



#732 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:48

A lovely sight...

And Stephen, for their 30c (and around $4 at the gate) they did see a great race. With the right wet weather tyres giving a little car a very rare win.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:01

I'm with you Lindsay, I wish I could have gone to a Longford meeting (or any 60s Tasman meeting for that matter). But a tad too young at the time.

 

And even then it took me until 2005 to cross Bass Strait to set foot on Longford soil.

 

Ray, Wasn't the wet weather races only during Monday events? That's when a speedboat would have been a handy thing

 

Here's the Formula Vee, Saturday entry list that got the weekend of racing started.

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Stephen


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#734 ellrosso

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:14

And so ended an era of one of the world's greatest tracks....... Just off topic Ray - I recall you were keen for your nephew to try an openwheeler a while back (rather than race an HQ) and I suggested the F Ford at Eastern Creek. Well I tried one a couple of weeks ago and thoroughly recommend it. Its on the short circuit around Corporate Hill and you can do it solely in 3rd gear if you want (the layout suits that quite easily). My wife had a $200 Red Balloon voucher and I tipped in another $100 for 5 laps. 10 laps is $380 during the week and $440 on the weekend. I'll be doing 10 next time as 5 goes in the blink of an eye. All Van Diemans, I guess 8-10 years old but well prepared. Fantastic experience and a real eye-opener after karts. Well worth it.872-_H-_Pier-68-lo.jpg



#735 ellrosso

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:17

Yes Stephen the rain came in on Monday and really bucketed down. I tried to talk my old man into going but he had work to do and the weather wasn't great even in Hobart. I can't recall if he said we'll go next year or not......



#736 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 10:50

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The rain was Monday only, yes...

It's just that I didn't know what date we were recognising here.

And I did make it to two, Stephen. 1965 and 1966. I wish I could have been there for 1967 when the Brabham team were running strongly but I couldn't. It really took the wind out of my sails that I would never see it again after 1968 called an end to it all.

Surely, however, 1965 was the highlight year of all.



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Edited by Ray Bell, 18 May 2018 - 08:32.


#737 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 13:54

A couple more Britto pics...

The earlier Cooper Maserati gearbox, with the ERSA name cast on the side:

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If memory serves, ERSA were the people who made he Citroen gearboxes of the time and they made a special case for Cooper.

Later Cooper went a different direction...

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A coil-sprung car, so a later model, were these the Jack Knight gearboxes?

 

The Cooper C5S gearbox was Owen Maddock's  masterwork in designing the 'Lowline' T53 cars initially as works team machines for 1960, and then in T53P production for for customer sale into 1961. It was man enough for the larger Climax engines which had left the works ERSA boxes ruined after every race under 2 1/2-litre torque, and requiring all internals to be replaced.

 

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 07:56

Yes and I wish I was one of them. I had to settle for the ABC telecast of the Saturday race...386_K_st_Lap_68-lo.jpg

This is the entry list details from the first day programme for the above race

Sat, Event 4 The Examiner Racing Car Scratch Race 12 laps 2.25pm

1 Racing Team SA                            Denny Hulme NZ Repco Brabham Ford FVA 1600

3 Bob Jane Racing Team                  John Harvey/Ian Cook NSW Repco Brabham V8 2498

4 C Amon                                          Chris Amon NZ Dino Ferrari V8 2404

5 Gold Leaf Team Lotus Ford Aust   Graham Hill UK Lotus 49 Ford V8 2495

6 Gold Leaf Team Lotus Ford Aust   Jim Clark UK Lotus 49 Ford V8 2495

7 Scuderia Veloce                             Greg Cusack NSW Brabham Repco V8 2495

8 Alec Mildren Racing                       Frank Gardner NSW Brabham Alfa Romeo V8 2464

9 Alec Mildren Racing                       Kevin Bartlett NSW Repco Brabham Climax 2496

11 Owen Racing Organisation          Pedro Rodriguez Mex BRM V12 2498

12 Owen Racing Organisation          Dick Attwood UK BRM V12 2498

16 M McEwin                                     Mel McEwin SA Lotus 32B Climax 2498

17 N E Allen                                      Fred Gibson/ Niel Allen NSW Repco Brabham Climax 2498

18 P Courage                                   Piers Courage McLaren Ford Cosworth FVA 1600

66 J McCormack                              John McCormack Tas Brabham Climax 2496

The odd programme typo included.

 

Stephen


Edited by cooper997, 03 March 2018 - 07:57.


#739 Wirra

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 09:02

Isn't that Leo in 5th place?

 

 

50 years and one week late, but I'll be there in a couple of days.



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#740 Ray Bell

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 10:49

Clark, Hill, Amon, Gardner, Leo G...

Then there's a brace of BRMs sandwiching Bartlett, possibly Harvey and Courage, McEwin and McCormack. How does that sound?

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Posted 03 March 2018 - 23:13

The second day's racing on Monday March 4, 1968 is recorded in Longford folklore for its bad weather. However, as these photos show the early events were damp, but not torrential like the Tasman boys were stuck with later in the day.

 

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The ex Bob Jane/ex Hugh Bryson Mk2 Jaguar of Bruno Carosi on the brakes in readiness for the apex to the viaduct, in what should be the 6 lap Event 1 Division 2 Touring Car Handicap. The LMRA were desperate for some capital injection, so this year there was some event signage. They may have been light on in cashflow, but as can be seen there was no shortage of officials!.

 

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The keen enthusiasts set up their vantage point from the edge of the trainline, as Chris Amon goes past LMRA President, Ron McKinnon's Mountford property while attempting to make up the 2 laps he lost when the P4 was discovered to have a flat battery on the grid for the 12 lap Event 2 Sports Car Scratch Race.

 

Stephen


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#742 cooper997

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 03:45

Just a little bit wet!

 

Alec Mildren's lads on pit straight before Frank Gardner hops in the Brabham Alfa - Mr Abbey in the seat (I think). That day the mechanics probably had the better gig compared to the drivers, but KB was the smart one and didn't start.

 

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Stephen


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#743 ellrosso

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 03:47

Just to confirm the order of the Tasman cars into the viaduct : Clark, Hill, Amon, Gardner, Geoghegan, Attwood, Bartlett, Rodrieguez, Hulme, Courage and McCormack. Harvey was DNS with dropped valves. Stephen - the shot of Carosi is the Div 1 Touring Cars, not Div 2. Great shots too - never seen those before. There was a huge army of volunteer officials at Longford every year and all came under the authority of ex military man, Ron Mackinnon who, by all accounts was very efficient in his job. The rain really came down before the big race and they tried delaying it for as long as possible.864-_H-_Long-68-lo.jpg866-_H-_Pit-68-lo.jpg5244_E_JMac_68-lo.jpg


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#744 cooper997

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 03:59

Thanks for the Carosi correction Lindsay. First time these have been shown, although there is some other related Amon, Macrow and Goss photos earlier in this thread , IIRC.

 

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#745 Murray Lord

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 04:51

Just in case anyone is interested in what the viaduct looks like, fifty years on:

 

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 06:40

Oh to have been there every year!, but especially the lucky last in '68. What a great batch of shots, Stephen, Lindsay, thanks so much. Will have to update my article, again!
I wonder what is happening @ The Viadcuct as Chris approaches?
Great shot of J-Mac in the BT4. I was lucky enough to have a long series of conversations with him in 2014 during prep for the article on his M23- I asked him about racing @ Longford, he said 'I didn't race at Longford Mark, but I did drive there', he delivered it deadpan and serious of course!
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#747 MarkBisset

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 06:52

Did Hugh Bryson race the Jag Stephen or just own it?
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#748 ellrosso

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 07:06

Interesting Mark, I had a good chat with Bob Wright about racing at Longford and he said it was such a different league for the local drivers as it was so fast compared to Baskerville and Symmons. Incidentally Bob was very good mates with John McCormack

back then and John was keen for him to join him in Adelaide to do the whole F5000 exercise. Bob had to decline though as he had four young kids and an established business to look after. I think it was a very lonely race for John in the old Brabham Climax - his car and the ex McEwan, Cusack, Clark Lotus 32B were fine for Tassy racing but totally outclassed in amongst the Tasman runners.



#749 cooper997

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 08:10

Did Hugh Bryson race the Jag Stephen or just own it?
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He raced it briefly before he died in a road crash. There's a thread on Bob Jane's Mk2 and following owners kicking around here somewhere, Mark.

 

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Posted 04 March 2018 - 08:14

When the flag drops... well you don't want to be any further back than front row of the grid when it's been raining cats & dogs at Longford. Brave lads those 1968 Longford Tasman race runners.

 

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Stephen


Edited by cooper997, 16 April 2018 - 10:30.