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[Kvothe]

I'm hearing a few things about an article that Mark Hughes wrote on Lewis Hamilton in this weeks issue of Autosport.

Would anybody who's read it be kind enough to give a brief summary?

[F1Newbie]

I'm hearing a few things about an article that Mark Hughes wrote on Lewis Hamilton in this weeks issue of Autosport.

Would anybody who's read it be kind enough to give a brief summary?

Isn't the article that said McLaren have made a new offer to him?

[artista]

Isn't the article that said McLaren have made a new offer to him?

No, I think it's the Mark Huges column where he imagines how the first test of Hamilton in the Mercedes would be, if he talked using the same language he uses in twitter.

I have to say I didn't understand a single word of it, deffo not foreign-friendly

[AvranaKern]

I'm hearing a few things about an article that Mark Hughes wrote on Lewis Hamilton in this weeks issue of Autosport.

Would anybody who's read it be kind enough to give a brief summary?

Well, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read from a highly regarded journo. Article is a mockery of Lewis' accent and recent life styles, and portrays a hypothetical future in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2013. It's written as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who was portrayed as an idiot.

Here is an example:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike [Schumacher] he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

[Kvothe]

There's an article in Autosport and it says that Mumtalakat ( one of the shareholders) will inject some cash so Mclaren won't cut his salary anymore or something like that.

I don't think that was it, but thanks for the info
I wouldn't be surprised if shareholders and sponsors started getting involved, I know a few like undersquare predicted that would happen.

No, I think it's the Mark Huges column where he imagines how the first test of Hamilton in the Mercedes would be, if he talked using the same language he uses in twitter.

I have to say I didn't understand a single word of it, deffo not foreign-friendly

This is the one I heard that Hamilton wouldn't be impressed if he read it.
You'd think someone like Mark Hughes would have something better to write than something like that.

[as65p]

No, I think it's the Mark Huges column where he imagines how the first test of Hamilton in the Mercedes would be, if he talked using the same language he uses in twitter.

I have to say I didn't understand a single word of it, deffo not foreign-friendly

yet... deffo?

Guess I'll have a look at a copy on a newsstand, sounds like fun.

[as65p]

This is the one I heard that Hamilton wouldn't be impressed if he read it.
You'd think someone like Mark Hughes would have something better to write than something like that.

More than anything it raises the question how Hamilton managed to fall out with Mr. Hughes (assuming the article really is "bad" from Hamiltons POV).

[senna da silva]

Well, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read from a highly regarded journo. Article is a mockery of Lewis' accent and recent life styles, and portrays a hypothetical future in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2013. It's written as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who was portrayed as an idiot.

Here is an example:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike [Schumacher] he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

So we can put Mark Hughes in the racist category then. Pretty distasteful.

[F1Newbie]

I don't think that was it, but thanks for the info
I wouldn't be surprised if shareholders and sponsors started getting involved, I know a few like undersquare predicted that would happen.



This is the one I heard that Hamilton wouldn't be impressed if he read it.
You'd think someone like Mark Hughes would have something better to write than something like that.

Well, he's a Mclaren agent, he's mad Lewis is about to leave his beloved Team. What I don't understand, they don't like him but they don't want him to leave, strange feeling.

[Kvothe]

Well, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read from a highly regarded journo. Article is a mockery of Lewis' accent and recent life styles, and portrays a hypothetical future in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2013. It's written as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who was portrayed as an idiot.

Here is an example:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike [Schumacher] he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

That bad ey?
You'd think a journalist with Hughes' credibility wouldn't have to sink to such a journalistic low, but I suppose magazines have to be sold so let's take slang used on twitter (within the context of a 140 character count) and generalise it to his everyday life.

I can't help but feel there's an element of racial ignorance which feeds what he perceives as a humorous article, especially when its quite clear that Lewis has the versatility of being able to speak in both proper English and slang even if the slang terms he uses are a bit old fashioned.

Edited by Kvothe, 14 September 2012 - 17:25.

[senna da silva]

Well, he's a Mclaren agent, he's mad Lewis is about to leave his beloved Team. What I don't understand, they don't like him but they don't want him to leave, strange feeling.

Classic immature jilted lover, probably a reflection on the team's management.

Edited by senna da silva, 14 September 2012 - 17:21.

[Kvothe]

More than anything it raises the question how Hamilton managed to fall out with Mr. Hughes (assuming the article really is "bad" from Hamiltons POV).

I think Mr Hughes is trying his hand at a bit of satire but unfortunately it seems his ambition has exceeded his talent.

[Darth Sidious]

Well, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read from a highly regarded journo. Article is a mockery of Lewis' accent and recent life styles, and portrays a hypothetical future in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2013. It's written as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who was portrayed as an idiot.

Here is an example:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike [Schumacher] he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

Yep, just read it.
Atrocious, pointless journalism.
From a magazine such as Autosport I find it very disappointing. I thought for a minute I'd picked up The Beano by mistake.
There are few reasons to buy Autosport these days what with the fast paced news throughput over the internet, and while I have reduced my purchases to race editions only, this indicates a low spot in the steady decline since the demise of Roebuck's 'Fifth Column'. Its become clear that Nigel was irreplaceable. I could never envision him stooping to such inanity.
If thats the level of journalism I can expect from Autosport in the future, then I think I might cut back to the Christmas Special only.

[as65p]

So we can put Mark Hughes in the racist category then. Pretty distasteful.

poor, yes. But racist? It's laughable how readily that card is played.

[senna da silva]

poor, yes. But racist? It's laughable how readily that card is played.

Using ebonics to describe Hamilton's professional conduct in a thinly veiled attempt at humour isn't bigotted? How would you accurately categorise this article?

[F1Newbie]

Using ebonics to describe Hamilton's professional conduct in a thinly veiled attempt at humour isn't bigotted? How would you accurately categorise this article?

He's the type of people "not racist but..." you know, those who like to make fun of people because of their culture, religion or race but don't like to be class as racist?

[superdelphinus]

poor, yes. But racist? It's laughable how readily that card is played.

True, but in this case pretty justified I think. One only has to think back to how Hollywood thought black people speak for a comparable.

Crazy article

[as65p]

Using ebonics to describe Hamilton's professional conduct in a thinly veiled attempt at humour isn't bigotted? How would you accurately categorise this article?

Had to look up ebonics. Is it that? I am a foreign speaker, and to me Hughes roughly reflects Hamiltons tweeting language, or not? And I did already express my judgement on the parts posted here with "poor" [journalism, writing, humour].

[as65p]

True, but in this case pretty justified I think. One only has to think back to how Hollywood thought black people speak for a comparable.

Crazy article

Okay, I guess it depends if Hughes attempt is a half-accurate reflection of the language used by Hamilton himself, or is it another, deliberate mocking level? I wouldn't be able to spot the difference.

[superdelphinus]

Okay, I guess it depends if Hughes attempt is a half-accurate reflection of the language used by Hamilton himself, or is it another, deliberate mocking level? I wouldn't be able to spot the difference.

Pretty obviously deliberately mocking in my view

[royalblue0]

I think Mr Hughes is trying his hand at a bit of satire but unfortunately it seems his ambition has exceeded his talent.

[senna da silva]

Had to look up ebonics. Is it that? I am a foreign speaker, and to me Hughes roughly reflects Hamiltons tweeting language, or not? And I did already express my judgement on the parts posted here with "poor" [journalism, writing, humour].

As a professional writer Hughes has gone beyond poor with this article. Again, he's supposed to be a professional writer and F1 journalist.

[Lazy]

Pretty obviously deliberately mocking in my view

Mocking is not racism, otherwise Ali G would be racist and I don't think Lewis would accept that. That kind of language is in no way exclusive to black people. Racism is a serious accusation that should not be used lightly.

Whether it's poorly written humour or otherwise I cannot say having not read it, context could be crucial.

[Lazy]

As a professional writer Hughes has gone beyond poor with this article. Again, he's supposed to be a professional writer and F1 journalist.

Have you read the article?

[P123]

Had to look up ebonics. Is it that? I am a foreign speaker, and to me Hughes roughly reflects Hamiltons tweeting language, or not? And I did already express my judgement on the parts posted here with "poor" [journalism, writing, humour].

It's more of a parody of how Hamilton sometimes Tweets. It's an extreme reflection. I'm not sure what motivated a whole article of it though.... the joke wore thin after a couple of sentences. I'm guessing Hughes had no actual insight into a potential Hamilton move to Merc and decided to run with something a little different to the norm.

[Afterburner]

Okay, I guess it depends if Hughes attempt is a half-accurate reflection of the language used by Hamilton himself, or is it another, deliberate mocking level? I wouldn't be able to spot the difference.

I think it just comes down to this: if you're inside the Ham-o-sphere, you just won't get it.

[bub]

Mocking is not racism, otherwise Ali G would be racist and I don't think Lewis would accept that. That kind of language is in no way exclusive to black people. Racism is a serious accusation that should not be used lightly.

Whether it's poorly written humour or otherwise I cannot say having not read it, context could be crucial.

You can mock someone in a racist way or mock an entire "race". Just pointing that out, not judging the article because like you, I also haven't read it.

Seems ironic that he's trying to mock Hamiltons tweeting but by the sound of things his article seems as dumb and unprofessional as Hamiltons tweets.

Edited by bub, 14 September 2012 - 21:06.

[as65p]

Mocking is not racism, otherwise Ali G would be racist and I don't think Lewis would accept that. That kind of language is in no way exclusive to black people. Racism is a serious accusation that should not be used lightly.

Whether it's poorly written humour or otherwise I cannot say having not read it, context could be crucial.

Yep, and especially important the last sentence. Me and presumably others got a bit ahead of ourselves, having only read part of the article.

[WatchingF1since4yearsold]

Well, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read from a highly regarded journo. Article is a mockery of Lewis' accent and recent life styles, and portrays a hypothetical future in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2013. It's written as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who was portrayed as an idiot.

Here is an example:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike [Schumacher] he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

oh wow, racist much? he actually wrote that? :/

[Coops3]

Well, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read from a highly regarded journo. Article is a mockery of Lewis' accent and recent life styles, and portrays a hypothetical future in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2013. It's written as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who was portrayed as an idiot.

Here is an example:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike [Schumacher] he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

That is tragic.

[Kvothe]

Have you read the article?

I've just read it, and I can't tell if Hughes physically wrote it, or sat on a toilet, face screwed up at a picture of Hamilton, and sh** it out.

Edited by Kvothe, 14 September 2012 - 19:08.

[Coops3]

I've just read it, and I can't tell if Hughes physically wrote it, or sat on a toilet, face screwed up at a picture of Hamilton, and sh** it out.

Ironic that in taking the piss out of Lewis for his gaffes, he makes a massive one himself!

Edited by Coops3, 14 September 2012 - 19:18.

[Lazy]

I've just read it, and I can't tell if Hughes physically wrote it, or sat on a toilet, face screwed up at a picture of Hamilton, and sh** it out.

lol

[Kvothe]

I think it just comes down to this: if you're inside the Ham-o-sphere, you just won't get it.

It's nothing to do with not getting it, it's finding it incredibly distasteful both in it's format and approach.

As for it's quality well you can judge for yourself, here's an extract:

“Yo kno Ross that I like you aye? But I find Mike he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin – way back in the day when he hi-fly”

“Well I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could you be more specific?”

“I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

“But we’re limited by regulations on rear widths, Lewis.”

“I say we take our legal muscles to Brussels, campaign for us human rights. Have them legal vultures say we got grounds that be culture.”

“Well we could try that Lewis. But in the meantime I think we’ll make up time on the McLarens with our pitstops .”

“Yeah ain’t that the truth, the McLaren stop they go hipp-idy –hopp-idy-hibbidy”

“Well, yes they seem to have had a few problems. Could I ask what you thought of are double DRS?”

“You doubling the troubling man. You switch that flow off the front wing – the drag it’s tres bon, but grip won’t switch on. Yo get in the turn, the front tyre do burn, then grip-up and won’t let you re-turn “

Edited by Kvothe, 14 September 2012 - 19:24.

[Lazy]

It's nothing to do with not getting it, it's finding it incredibly distasteful both in it's format and approach.

As for it's quality well you can judge for yourself, here's an extract:

Any comments Mark?

[Kvothe]

Any comments Mark?

+1

[midgrid]

Hughes's column is comfortably the worst I have ever read in any motorsports magazine, which is a shame as many of his other efforts are very insightful and his race reports are always worth a read. From memory he has done the "hypothetical conversation" approach in the column before, but without attempting to make it as "funny" as this one. I bet the Autosport office will receive a fair few letters about it...

[Afterburner]

It's nothing to do with not getting it, it's finding it incredibly distasteful both in it's format and approach.

I've read far worse about people I identify with, in the name of humour. I've learned to laugh along--life's far too short to be prissy about things like this. If you can't laugh at yourself, then you can't laugh at anyone--unless you subscribe to that weird double standard that makes it okay to laugh at certain people, but never at others, regardless of their flaws.

My initial point was that Hamilton is very good at setting himself up for things like this, and it's much easier to see that if you're not a fan of his. Lighten up a bit.

Either way, this is rapidly becoming a topic for another thread, so I bid you 'adieu'.

[KnucklesAgain]

It's nothing to do with not getting it, it's finding it incredibly distasteful both in it's format and approach.

As for it's quality well you can judge for yourself, here's an extract: [of the Hughes article]

Horrible

[bourbon]

Well, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read from a highly regarded journo. Article is a mockery of Lewis' accent and recent life styles, and portrays a hypothetical future in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2013. It's written as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who was portrayed as an idiot.

Here is an example:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike [Schumacher] he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”

I hope you are joking about it being an article. A writer would have to be a real jackass to print something of that nature, imo. It is belittling and what the statements are saying is not funny - the only humor one would derive is its very very poor attempt to make fun of a culture.

Edited by bourbon, 14 September 2012 - 20:07.

[Ferrari2183]

I've read far worse about people I identify with, in the name of humour. I've learned to laugh along--life's far too short to be prissy about things like this. If you can't laugh at yourself, then you can't laugh at anyone--unless you subscribe to that weird double standard that makes it okay to laugh at certain people, but never at others, regardless of their flaws.

My initial point was that Hamilton is very good at setting himself up for things like this, and it's much easier to see that if you're not a fan of his. Lighten up a bit.

Either way, this is rapidly becoming a topic for another thread, so I bid you 'adieu'.

I'm sorry but that extract wasn't even funny. I can't make out half the stuff he trying to say... I follow Hamilton on twitter and his tweets are far more legible than that crap that Hughes wrote their.

I would ask the question why did Autosports Editor allow such crap to go to print. It is not even blog worthy.

Edited by Ferrari2183, 14 September 2012 - 20:09.

[undersquare]

It's nothing to do with not getting it, it's finding it incredibly distasteful both in it's format and approach.

As for it's quality well you can judge for yourself, here's an extract:

I can hardly believe it.

[Afterburner]

I'm sorry but that extract wasn't even funny.

Re-read my post; did I say it was?

I would ask the question why did Autosports Editor allow such crap to go to print. It is not even blog worthy.

If it was a mistake, then Autosport's readership should take a sufficient enough hit for them to reconsider ever printing something like that again. Oddly enough, these things have a tendency to fix themselves.

I'll continue this via PM with anyone who wishes to do so.

[as65p]

I've read far worse about people I identify with, in the name of humour. I've learned to laugh along--life's far too short to be prissy about things like this. If you can't laugh at yourself, then you can't laugh at anyone--unless you subscribe to that weird double standard that makes it okay to laugh at certain people, but never at others, regardless of their flaws.

My initial point was that Hamilton is very good at setting himself up for things like this, and it's much easier to see that if you're not a fan of his. Lighten up a bit.

Either way, this is rapidly becoming a topic for another thread, so I bid you 'adieu'.

Agree with all of that.

From my personal POV, obviously I'm more that ready to have a bit of fun at Hamiltons expense, but the piece just doesn't cut it for me. I simply don't find it funny. I don't find it racist either, "lame" is probably the term I would use (having now read it in full).

[djd]

Is it different to "Crazy Dave Coulthard" from Sniff Petrol?

Do people make the same complaints about that?

[AvranaKern]

Mark Hughes wrote a piece on AUTOSPORT magazine on Lewis Hamilton in the issue of September 13th, 2012. It is a mockery of Lewis' colorful twitter language. The article focuses on a hypothetical future, in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2012 to assess the car. It is devised as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who in my opinion was portrayed as an idiot. Here is an excerpt:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”
RB: “But we’re limited by regulation on wheel widths, Lewis.”
LH: “I say we take our legal muscles to Brussels, campaign for us human rights. Have them legal vultures say we got grounds that be culture.”

The whole piece is written like that. It's one of the worst articles I've ever read coming from an highly regarded journalist. No point, no humour, no fineness.

Edit: When we were discussing it in another thread, messages had ben deleted, so I had to open a new topic and this very post was the opening post. However, mighty mods managed to get the deleted messages back, hence the opening post became john doe.

Edited by ali.unal, 14 September 2012 - 21:59.

[bub]

Nevermind

Edited by bub, 14 September 2012 - 21:02.

[MP422]

Mark Hughes wrote a piece on AUTOSPORT magazine on Lewis Hamilton in the issue of September 13th, 2012. It is a mockery of Lewis' colorful twitter language. The article focuses on a hypothetical future, in which Lewis Hamilton tries Mercedes W03 in February 2012 to assess the car. It is devised as a dialogue between Ross Brawn and Lewis Hamilton, who in my opinion was portrayed as an idiot. Here is an excerpt:

LH: “Yo kno Ross that I like you – aye? But I find that Mike he’s a slow guy. He ain’t rapidly trippin’ the songs he was drippin’ – way back in the day when he hi-fly.”
RB: “Well, I think there could be something in that, Lewis. But could we be more specific?”
LH: “I think this Merc need the big wheels, all chrome and fat be the real deal. Yo get more rear-end grip and we’re not looking so sick and I’ll drive like a **** and we’ll get real.”
RB: “But we’re limited by regulation on wheel widths, Lewis.”
LH: “I say we take our legal muscles to Brussels, campaign for us human rights. Have them legal vultures say we got grounds that be culture.”

The whole piece is written like that. It's one of the worst articles I've ever read coming from an highly regarded journalist. No point, no humour, no fineness.

You serious they published an article like that ? Disgraceful.

[Kerch]

Very cringeworthy.

[Disgrace]

Sounds like my screen name should be in this thread.