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#1 Drinky

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 01:39

Recently I started playing GPL and I must say it's a most impressive game (or sim as some here would insist :)) The two jewels of the sim are in my opinion the old Spa and the Nuerburgring. My question is why and how these two tracks disappeared from the calendar.

Common lore has it that Lauda's crash at Bergwerk was a major factor in the disappearence of the Nuerburgring, but was it the only reason? Were other safety concerns (the circuits being too long) equally important? Just how long did people debate over this before they vanished? How did the drivers feel about it? Were they relieved never having to master the Masta kink or Antoniusbuche again?

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#2 oldtimer

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 02:52

Welcome to TNF Drinky! That's a real question for 'nostalgiateers' to work on.

My first thought about the old Spa circuit was to think of Siffert and Rodriguez lapping their 917s faster than they had ever driven their F1 cars. It would be interesting to know what their fellow GP drivers, disallowed from racing on the circuit in a F1 car for safety reasons, thought of that.

After the banning of the old Nurburgring for F1, Denis Jenkinson wrote a riotous and scathing piece in MotorSport. Roger, I think there are many who would enjoy, but not Max & Bernie.

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 02:52

Spa and the 'Ring were outgrown by modern F1.

As Chris Amon put it, "The Masta Kink was quite a challenge to take flat out during the 1970 GP, but three years later in the 1973 Spa 1000 it was rountinely flat for everyone."
Chris couldn't imagine the F1 cars going back there.

The 'Ring, of course, was a car breaker from day one, so it wasn't so much of a shock that after Lauda's accident, F1 had had it's swansong.

#4 Bernd

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 03:36

I feel really the beginning of the end for Spa was Jackie Stewarts shunt in 1966. His friend Jim Clark who hated Spa (The amount of friends he lost there one can't blame him) had coloured Jackies opinion anyway but the shunt just sealed it in Jackies mind that Spa was simply to fast & to dangerous. Jackie's role as safety coordinator along with the sadly much overlooked Jo Bonnier is well known together they probably did more than anyone else to end the reign of Spa.

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 04:06

By the time Lauda had his accident, the 'Ring was already doomed, at least for F1. In fact, during the week before the 1976 German GP, the Austrian appeared on a TV show (Ich Stelle Mich) calling the track to be dropped from the F1 schedule on safety reasons.

Such long tracks were very difficult to adapt to the rising safety requirements. Can you imagine how many firefighters, marshals, etc. are required?

The earliest calls for a ban I read came after Hans Laine's death during practice for the 1970 1000km. He died in a fire. The firefighters who were present weren't properly equipped to get him out of his Porsche.

Fire was always a concern at the 'Ring. It became doomed for sportscars as well after Herbert Müller's fiery death in 1981, also in a Porsche. The marshalls couldn't get to him on time, because the fire was too intense for them.

#6 Gil Bouffard

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 07:04

The dropping of the Nurburgring was purely commercial. Consider a Grand Prix where the race cars pass the spectators (aka customers) once every ten minutes.

A Grand Prix distance of 199 miles equals 14 laps. Not a lot of time for sponsors to "see," their advertising money at work.

A Grand Prix lap of the Hockenheimring is/was 4.2 miles. A race distance of 185 miles takes 45 laps to complete. With 80,000 or more spectators in the tribune area and an easier television location setup than ever possible at the Nurburgring, the move becomes commercially attractive.

The problems at Spa were similar. Long track=short viewing time=unhappy sponsors. Add to it the fact that the public roads of the circuit passed within inches of some of the homes of Belgian farmers. The Masta Kink is one of the more imfamous spots for finding yourself either a dinner guest or down by the barn with the cows.

I loved both circuits for the challenges they posed. Hockenheim and the "new," Spa are OK. I DO NOT like the proposed changes to Hockenheim!

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#7 Roger Clark

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 07:28

Denis jenkinson on the cancellation ofthe 1969 Belgian GP


AFTER a lot of discussion and some "passing the buck" the Belgian Grand Prix has been cancelled. The reasons are numerous and varied and involve the organisers, the Belgian Government, the major factory teams, and the works drivers. It is unlikely that any one individual or group will accept responsibility, or even admit to starting the anti-Spa circuit antagonism, but does it matter? Individually, or collectively, the world of Grand Prix racing has brought about the cancellation of the race on the Spa-Francorchamps circuit. It is pointless to ask for opinions for most of them will try to pass the responsibility on to another party. The sad fact is that our premier Grand Prix racing teams will not be competing on the magnificent Belgian circuit this year. From choice they will all be out of work on June 8th, and if they go on like this some of them will be out of work for the rest of the year. It would seem that some of our Grand Prix car constructors do not want to race their cars on the 1 50 m.p.h. Spa-Francorchamps circuit, and some of our so-called Grand Prix drivers do not want to drive them there anyway. I do not believe the decisions were unanimous, in spite of the Drivers' Union and the Manufacturers' Union being involved. The blurb that followed the announcement in the daily papers was splendid stuff. On the same day two of our leading newspapers quoted different lengths for the Spa circuit and the general trend was to trot out a list of accidents and drivers who had been killed on the Belgian circuit, just to prove it was dangerous, and show that the people who were demanding "Safety, safety, safety" were justified. If they had published a similar list of deaths and accidents for Brands Hatch or Silverstone it would have been very difficult to have gone on racing at either circuit, on the same grounds of objection. Does it really make any difference if a dead racing driver is a star or an unknown club driver, if we are going to be impartial and unbiased, and is there any difference between dying in a crash at 1 00 m.p.h. or 180 m.p.h.?

I have always thought that one of the endearing features of a Grand Prix driver was that he had GUTS and would accept a challenge that normal people like you and I would not be brave enough to face; now 1 am not so sure. If any members of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association feel that their spokesman was not voicing their opinion, and that they would dearly like to drive a Grand Prix car at Spa in June, without any ifs or buts, then 1 would be delighted to receive a postcard from them saying so and I am sure the Editor will be only too pleased to publish them next month. Non-G.P.D.A. members need not bother to write to me, for 1 know personally a great number who would give anything to drive a Grand Prix car at Spa, without any reservations or conditions, but they are not considered to be Aces, in the opinion of the Aces.
If any of our so-called Grand Prix drivers would like to take up knitting, using special needles without sharp points, I am sure I could arrange some private tuition for theni, or if any of our Grand Prix "special builders" would like to get down to some serious construction I will send them the current rules for Kart-racing.
If the Spa-Francorchamp circuit is so distasteful to constructors and drivers alike why make all this fuss, why not simply refrain from entering the race, and leave things to those people who might like to have entered, probably for half the starting money anyway. Maybe the 1969 Belgian G.P. would not have been a classic event, but it could have happened, and you can run a race without the top drivers, as the Italians showed some years ago when similar milk-and-water thinking boycotted the Italian G.P. at Monza. The big names stayed away and though it seemed to make a big difference at the time, it is now insignificant, and the only noticeable thing in the history of the Italian G.P. is that for one year the household names were missing.

People have been saying recently that "motor racing is sick" and complaining that the atmosphere at all levels is bad, with arguing and fighting in Formula Ford, bitching and binding in saloon car racing, protests and disputes in rallies, cheating and lying in sports-car racing, bad odours in Autocross, and so on. Is it any wonder, when the accepted pinnacle of racing, which is Formula One, is sick? The World Champions and their cohorts should set an example of what motor racing is all about. It would seem that the Grand Prix world has no idea what it is all about. Their "social security" mentality cannot see over the guard rails, but that is their worry. How long will it be before they talk themselves out of existence or up their owl exhaust pipes?

You do sometimes wish he wouldn't beat about the bush and say what he really thinks..





#8 Frank de Jong

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 08:48

Gil, I don't agree with you about the commercial reasons for removing Nurburgring and Spa from the calenders; sponsors are mostly interested in TV coverage, and if enough cameras are provided this is no problem. The crowd on the circuits are familiar with the sponsoring anyway, and the Nurburgring and Spa attracted far more spectators than Hockenheim, Zolder and Nivelles.
The reasons were safety and politics, just like nowadays...

#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 13:14

I think Frank is right, too. The only issue apart from politics and safety that sways towards Gil's point of view (IMNSHO) is that of logistics and their costs. Marshalling, services, and perhaps a little bit of difficulty in ensuring that the 350,000 crowded round the 'Ring actually paid to get in there.

Just imagine how many would have turned out to see Schumacher heading towards the title if the race had been there last year!

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 17:58

Then how come Ray,that the Nordschleife is still used for 24hr race and 8 meeting endurance series? Around 160 cars start the 24hr race!
FIA beauocracy I think,Mosley said Le Mans could only start 49 cars as they only had that number of pits. Does Nurburgring have any more?
re,marshalling resorces,why do GP superstars need more than sports/Touring car drivers?

#11 Gil Bouffard

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 18:44

Gee, I'm glad you don't agree with me. However do you know the logistics of covering a race on television at a stadium or 2.5 mile circuit? The miles of cable that have to be laid?

Example: At Laguna Seca (a circuit of just over 2 miles) there are at least 12 fixed camera positions. There are at least four handhelds for the pit reporters. Backup equipment for possible equipment breakage. One helicopter to relay the in car camera signals and carry a camera and operator.

All of this has to feed into a video control truck where producers, directors and technicians control the feed to the commentators, who are in another location at the circuit. More miles of cable. And yet again more cable to the satellite uplink.

The distance and topographical changes at the Nurburgring and Spa are such that the logistics and expense in time, money, equipment and personnel are prohibitive. believe me, I have been around both circuits and photographed races from various vantage points. I had to drive (usually miles out of the way) to the locations at the Nurburgring. At Spa, I'd take all my stuff from three spots. La Source, the pits and near Seaman's Bend. You could at least trudge to them over the course of a race.

Commercial considerations were extremely high on the list for moving the races. An advertiser spends a lot of money to have the company logo appear on the sidepod or rear wing of a GP car. If the bean counters are not satisfied that the exposure is not worth the expense, the advertiser cuts and runs. It is called "Return On Investment (ROI)," and there is no perceived ROI when a car passes a position every ten minutes or is out of camera range for most of that time.

This is an area that I am very familiar with both from a PR point of view and having covered televised auto racing for a magazine. I am a firm believer in ROI and you can bet your bottom dollar that I would not invest my advertising dollars where I could not be sure of a positive ROI.

I have a similar complaint with the Sports Car Club of America's (SCCA), non spectator races. If a team or driver were to tell me that they are racing in twelve non spectator races, I wouldn't consider spending my advertising budget on them. What is my Return On Investment?

ROI is also a result of an intense public relations campaign. I was talking with Wally Dallenbach Jr., at a NASCAR race at Sears Point, (CA) a couple of years ago and I asked him about the difference between being the SCCA's Trans Am Champion and racing in NASCAR. He said."At the Trans Am Races the drivers know every spectator by name. In NASCAR every spectator knows our name."

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 18:44

Gee, I'm glad you don't agree with me. However do you know the logistics of covering a race on television at a stadium or 2.5 mile circuit? The miles of cable that have to be laid?

Example: At Laguna Seca (a circuit of just over 2 miles) there are at least 12 fixed camera positions. There are at least four handhelds for the pit reporters. Backup equipment for possible equipment breakage. One helicopter to relay the in car camera signals and carry a camera and operator.

All of this has to feed into a video control truck where producers, directors and technicians control the feed to the commentators, who are in another location at the circuit. More miles of cable. And yet again more cable to the satellite uplink.

The distance and topographical changes at the Nurburgring and Spa are such that the logistics and expense in time, money, equipment and personnel are prohibitive. believe me, I have been around both circuits and photographed races from various vantage points. I had to drive (usually miles out of the way) to the locations at the Nurburgring. At Spa, I'd take all my stuff from three spots. La Source, the pits and near Seaman's Bend. You could at least trudge to them over the course of a race.

Commercial considerations were extremely high on the list for moving the races. An advertiser spends a lot of money to have the company logo appear on the sidepod or rear wing of a GP car. If the bean counters are not satisfied that the exposure is not worth the expense, the advertiser cuts and runs. It is called "Return On Investment (ROI)," and there is no perceived ROI when a car passes a position every ten minutes or is out of camera range for most of that time.

This is an area that I am very familiar with both from a PR point of view and having covered televised auto racing for a magazine. I am a firm believer in ROI and you can bet your bottom dollar that I would not invest my advertising dollars where I could not be sure of a positive ROI.

I have a similar complaint with the Sports Car Club of America's (SCCA), non spectator races. If a team or driver were to tell me that they are racing in twelve non spectator races, I wouldn't consider spending my advertising budget on them. What is my Return On Investment?

ROI is also a result of an intense public relations campaign. I was talking with Wally Dallenbach Jr., at a NASCAR race at Sears Point, (CA) a couple of years ago and I asked him about the difference between being the SCCA's Trans Am Champion and racing in NASCAR. He said."At the Trans Am Races the drivers know every spectator by name. In NASCAR every spectator knows our name."

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#13 Rob29

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 20:01

Nurburging 24hrs was live on German & European Satellite TV last year. Several hours of coverage.They also get a bigger crowd than for anything on the erzatsring.

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 20:13

Sorry about the message appearing twice..I have been having ISP problems all morning.

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#15 Frank de Jong

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Posted 13 March 2001 - 20:47

Rob made a remark I was thinking about as well. Being in Germany at the time, I watched part of the 24h race, and I didn't miss any camera at all. But let's not push this discussion to the limit but respect the friendly atmosphere which I like so much about this forum. Besides, it would be very expensive to include today's F1 safety standards to good old Nürburgring...

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Posted 14 March 2001 - 00:00

I had dinner once with Brian Redman, who recounted a humorous time he had at the Ring. He realized he was on fire, and pulled off at a marshal's stand, got out only to find the marshal running away as fast as he could, extinguisher in hand.

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Posted 14 March 2001 - 08:33

Thanks for the replies, guys. I just noticed something on Forix: the 1970 German GP was actually held at Hockenheim! So why did they move back to the old Nuerburgring?


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Posted 14 March 2001 - 08:38

Because the Hockenheimring was, is & always will be a piece of sh*t!!!

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Posted 14 March 2001 - 08:45

Actually they installed some armco for '71 and decided it was now safe.

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#20 Ray Bell

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Posted 14 March 2001 - 08:48

The changes for 1970/71 were more than just Armco... so much so that FJ (one of the greats at this circuit) said to me that he didn't like "the new 'ring"...

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Posted 14 March 2001 - 08:59

They planed off the bumps, cut down tree's to make sure there were no blind corners, altered corners and installed miles of Armco In the process completely destroyed the Nurburgring that the greats of old had raced and won on. Fearless John was correct in his contempt, I remember Jacky Ickx said on winning that it wasn't the Ring anymore or something like that.

The Hockenheimring is sh*t which had a lot to do with the switch back from the drivers side of things.

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Posted 14 March 2001 - 15:42

Chris Amon said the 'Ring was "ruined"...

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Posted 15 March 2001 - 03:00

I,ve always shared Bernd's opinion that Jackie Stewart's accident at Spa in 1966 started his campaign against the circuit. He had a 'moment of truth' and seemed to resent that. Clark, on the other hand, had a 'moment of truth' on the Nurburgring in 1962 when he had a big, big moment when trying to catch Hill, Gurney and Surtees on a wet circuit. He caught the car, snapped out of the 'red mist' and settled down to finish the race as Jim Clark and not 'Super-superman'. He did not start a campaign against the circuit, tough as it was in wet conditions.

For younger readers, who may wonder about Denis Jenkinson's piece about Spa (thank you Roger), we have to put it in the context that he had raced there, 'red mist' and all, as sidecar passenger to Eric Oliver. Jenks came by his hard-nosed positions honestly, not as a journalist in the stands.

But, when all is said and done, the old Spa and Nurburgring circuits are not suitable for the rocket-sleds that pass as F1 racing cars these days. Nor for those who pay, or collect, mega bucks to be part of the show.

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Posted 15 March 2001 - 03:17

Oldtimer

Thats becuase Jimmy Clark was a true sportman who relished the challenge of the Nordschleife.

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Posted 15 March 2001 - 05:15

oldtimer: As you may have guessed, I'm a young'un, so excuse me while I flaunt my ignorance, but what is "red mist"?


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Posted 15 March 2001 - 06:34

Funny you should say that, Drinky (hope you don't mind me answering while oldtimer sleeps!), but I think it's a fairly modern expression... the 'red mist' descends over the visor and nothing prevents the driver from achieving what he wants...

An expression to express a total dedication to the job... I think that would be close. I never heard it before about seven or eight years ago... but there's nothing new, we're told, under the sun.

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Posted 15 March 2001 - 20:18

Oldtimer is up! ;) Not being picky Ray, but the 'red mist' expression was being used by Jenks way back when he was writing about these things. That's where I first came across it. Says so much more than the 'fa-a-antastic' or 'absolutely incredible', or a lap time we get these days. Guess that's one of the reasons his reports still live decades after they were written

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Posted 15 March 2001 - 22:20

See, nothing's new! Reminds me of the expression, 'the go.' As in 'That'll be the go!' Thought that was modern, until I read it used repeatedly in Raefello Carboni's book Eureka, written in the wake of the Eureka Stockade in the early 1850s.....

How could Jenks do this to me? I can't recall, in thirty-odd years of reading his stuff, seeing that used....

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Posted 15 March 2001 - 22:48

The first use of the term "Red Mist" that I remember was from a family friend who served with my Dad in both WW2 and Korea. He was selected for rotary-wing flight school at the tender age of thirty-something about the time of the Korean War. He initially felt he would do his best and if it was not enough, so be it. That is until he got to flight school and someone made a crack about his age. As he always said, the "Red Mist" fell across his vision and he was determined to make it. My Dad used to help him with the math and some of the other academic subjects -- plus standing on the ground and helping Roger with all the hand & arm signals.

When I was in OCS at the ripe young age of 30, the same experience happened to me. The "red Mist" descended and I was bound and determined to make it. (The Mist also "motivated" me to jump a sand trap on my Bultaco...)

I know that in US aviation and Special Ops communities this term has been around for a long while.

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Posted 15 March 2001 - 23:17

I really like to get to the source of these expressions... so what about we try to work that out?

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Posted 16 March 2001 - 21:51

Originally posted by Drinky
Thanks for the replies, guys. I just noticed something on Forix: the 1970 German GP was actually held at Hockenheim! So why did they move back to the old Nuerburgring?



Something that is forgotten about that 1970 German Grand Prix at Hockenheim is that on the same day the Automobilclub von Deutschland (AvD) ran a full international F-2 race at the Nurburgring. Just imagine the organizational and promotional effort to put on two races of that caliber on the same day.

The date, of course, had originally been intended for the Grand Prix to be held on the Ring. When the politics and sensitivities of the time forced the move to Hockenheim (although, as we know, the race returned to the Ring the following year for its final six year run there) there was already a great deal of promotion in place for the Ring event. So the AvD decided to hold races at both circuits and that the Ring would have an F-2 race.

One of the reasons for this was that, at that time, Hockenheim had a capacity of about 70,000 spectators. The AvD and the Hockenheim circuit itself feared that there would be such a large crowd as to overwhelm the facilities. They literally feared avid fans coming with wire cutters to gain access through the perimiter fencing. Another reason was that a large number of fans were planning to be at a race at the Ring that weekend whether it was the GP or not! In fact they drew more than 50,000 to the F-2 race at the Ring and Hockenheim was sold out at 70,000 (who got to see Jochen Rindt and Jacky Ickx put on one of the great battles of the season).

The decision to make the changes to the Ring that the Grand Prix Driver's Association (GPDA) and others were demanding was made after that weekend. And the changes were in place in time for the 1971 race. Herbert Schmitz who was Director of the Motorsports Division (Sportabteilung) of the AvD took charge of the F-2 race and the race director for the Grand Prix was Leopold Freiherr von Zedlitz. What Herr Schhmitz and Baron von Zedlitz accomplished that weekend - and in the weeks leading up to it - is something that I have always admired - in fact I remain quite in awe of it!

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Posted 21 March 2001 - 03:45

Before this thread disappears altogether I want to raise one other dimension regarding the 1970 German GP at Hockenheim. As I outlined above the AvD pulled off the astounding feat of holding the world championship Grand Prix at Hockenheim on the same day they put on a full championship F-2 race at the Nurburgring.

I was reminded by my friends Werner Winter and Randy Barnett, when I brought it up with them today, of how very passionate and rending the whole issue was in motor racing.

Just one example - Denis Jenkinson refused to go to Hockenheim (I think Alan Henry covered the race for Motorsport) declaring that the real Grand Prix was being held at the Ring. And that's where he was.

If anyone has access to the series of articles Jenks wrote leading up to - and in the aftermath - of the race, I think it would be a great read. I wish I still had a copy.

I personally recall this being one of the "watershed" incidents in the changes that were going on in Grand Prix racing.



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Posted 21 March 2001 - 04:14

I recall reading somewhere that Jenks thoroughly detested the Hockenheimring because Clark was killed there... Anyone have more detail on this? I know that Nigel Roebuck had a similar opinion he said this

"I can forgive its blandness, its boring layout etc but it took Jimmy away from us and for that I can never forgive it"

Or something along those lines, this was from memory.

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Posted 21 March 2001 - 18:54

Originally posted by Mike Argetsinger

If anyone has access to the series of articles Jenks wrote leading up to - and in the aftermath - of the race, I think it would be a great read. I wish I still had a copy.


I can't find anything specific thaat he wrote about the 1970 German GP. He did write in typical terms about the cancellation of the 1969 Belgian GP, which I posted earlier in this thread.

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Posted 21 March 2001 - 21:03

Roger, Jenks wrote a piece after the Nordschliefe was finally abandoned for the German GP. Afraid I can't remember the year. On the question of the numbers who attended, it suggested that certain people get on their 'fairy cycles' and tour the course to see for themselves. As I have previously, not something M&B would have pinned on their bulletin board.

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Posted 22 March 2001 - 01:06

THe 1977 Motor Sport report of te German race was entitled "Der Kleiner Preis von Deutschland". This appeared in the same issue.

DER GROSSER PREIS VON DEUTSCHLAND

THE ORGANISING body of the German Grand Prix were split down the middle; the businessmen wanted to run the race at the compact Hockenheim Ring stadium, where everything was safe and clinical and organisational problems were few, while 100,000 paying customers in the arena was money guaranteed straight into their pockets. The sportsmen were completely opposed to tllis, they wanted to retain the Grand Prix on the 14-mile Nurburgring, with all its attendant problems and its opposition from sensationseeking newspapers and antipathy from certain drivers. Even if a lot of the 250,000 spectators got in without paying, such a crowd always guaranteed a respectable profit at the end. More important, however, the sportsmen who had grown up with motor racing and respected those who had gone before them, felt it was an act of treachery to the very name of motor racing to remove the Grosser Preis von Deutschland from Europe's most famous circuit. It was undermining everything that the sporting world had been built upon since the dawn of motor racing.

A decision was made. The German Grand Prix would opt out of the World Championship series and all the FIA rules and be run on the Nurburgring as a Grand Prix in its own right. As the sportsmen reasoned, "the Automobile Club oF the West in France has done it with the Le Mans 24-Hour race, and it is still a huge financial and sporting success. They turned their back on the FIA World Championship series and all its rules and regulations, and the race is still the most famous 24-Hour event in the World". Someone else also pointed out that USAC had done the same thing over Indianapolis. The Americans had told the FIA what they could do with World Championship status many years ago; they run their 500 Mile race to their own rules and it stands alone, strong on its own merit. The German businessmen went away to consult the word-books and to organise a Formula One event in the Hockenheim Stadium, while the sportsmen prepared for the German Grand Prix on the Nurburgring.

All around the Eifel district and even further afield, the commercial interests supported the idea of the German Grand Prix being out of the World Championship series, to be an event big enough to stand on its own. The Nurburgring was certainly big enough to stand alone. Entries were invited and starting money was offered in the old-fashioned way of what a driver or car was worth to the organisers as an attraction to the paying spectators, while prize money was announced loud and clear in Deutschmarks, not in the usual secret method of the Constructors' Union, involving Swiss Francs. All the various trade associations in the Eifel district gave financial support to the race, the hoteliers, the restaurants, the petrol stations, the souvenir shops, the food shops, the beer halls, the ice-cream vendors, the newspaper sellers, the photograph shops, in fact every trader whose income soared during Grand Prix week, supported the Club, with the result that starting money was available that made some of the regular Formula One businessmen blink their eyes.

The entry was as strong as you could wish for, with Jochen Mass and Hans Stuck heading the list. Mass was delighted for he reckoned he could use james Hunt's McLaren M26, which his friends always told him was the better of the two works cars, as Hunt would not want to take part in A non-Championship event. However, he was quite wrong for James could not get up from Spain quick enough. "Miss a chance of racing on the Nurburgring, where the real challenge is for the driver and not the car-no way," was the World Champion's reaction, so the two MeLaren drivers had their usual cars. Team Manager Mayer had not actually committed his team to an entry, but it was out of his hands. Ken Tyrrell said "It's not democratic, we shall not enter," but what he really meant was that his six-wheelers were in such a technical mess that the team would be better ofF sitting at home and thinking about it. Jackie Stewart ofrered to test the cars at the Nurburgring to try and sort out their handling problems, but Ken declined the offer on behalf of Helen and the boys. Mario Andretti said he was prepared to race anything, anywhere, anytime, providing the money was right, and Gunnar Nilsson said he just liked driving racing cars. Colin Chapman's comment was, "we've always raced at the Nurburgring."

Naturally, Hans Stuck had entered without worrying about whether Bernie Ecclestone would let him have a Brabham-Alfa Romeo, but when BemiE heard how much starting money was being offered he said "Eh!-wait a minute, I must talk to Max." However, Max Mosley was far too busy to talk to Bernie, for he was scratching around the March stores at Bicester digging out old monocoques in order to build up four more March 761 cars. He had already signed up Rolf Stommelen, Derek Bell, jacky Ickx and Tim Schenken and had done a deal with the organisers for a mass entry with the two works cars of Ribiero and Ian Scheckter thrown in as make-weight. Bernie Ecclestone wanted to be democratic like Ken Tyrrell, but "business is business" though he was worried about the legality of the whole affair, because he never got involved with anything that was illegal. Almost reluctantly the two Brabham alfas were entered for Stuck and Watson. Carlo Chiti looked non-plussed about the whole matter, for Alfa Romeo always raced at the Nurburgring, so he could not see what all te fuss was about. While Max Mosley was assembling as many March 761q as he could, in case anyone like Dieter Questor decided to come out of retirement, he had a phone call from Stirling moss asking if there was a spare car available. “The historic car race is the weekend after” said Max, but all the same wondering if Stirling had meantfor the Grand Prix. Robin Herd came out of his dark corner and confused Max’s plans a bit by suggesting that they took the March 2-4-0 six-wheeler for Ian Scheckter to drive. As the Nurburgring is so long, robin thought it might be a good idea to take a couple of spare wheels in case of a puncture or two.

From Maranello there came a single entry in a plain red van, with the team personnel trying to converse in Spanish, Carlos Reutemann had entered a 312T2 Ferrari and said “Of course the Nurburgring is dangerous, all racing circuits are dangerous to different degrees. I like very much to drive on the Nurburgring.” Just outside Salzburg, niki Lauda was mowing his lawns for nobody had told him what was happening.

The Renault team would have liked to have entered, to see if they could have got a Renault-turbo beyond te second corner, but they declined the invitation saying “We ‘ave problems…” Te Shadow team were down to one car, for Aussie Alan Jones who said he was prepared to race anywhere. Their new star, riccardo Patrese could not attend as he was presenting the prizes for the Italina Kart Championship at Vallenlunga. Allan Rees offered the second Shadow to Chris Amon, but the New Zealander said he had definitely retired from racing and anyway he had quietly, but determinedly made his personal point about the Nurburgring before the restrt of the 1976 race. Team Surtees had no problems, for Brambilla thought the German Grand Prix always was going to be at the Nurburgring, and Vern Schuppan was so new to the team that he didn’t really know where they were going. Jody Scheckter looked down from his penthouse in monte Carlo and expressed the opinion that if here were no points to race for, what was the oint in racing. This pleased the team manager Peter Warr, for he hadn’t got the Nurburgring in his wallchart, and to add it to the schedules would have made a mess of the whole thing. Later Scheckter heard how much starting money his brother was getting with the six-wheeled March, and nearly fell off te balcony of his penthouse.

Morris Nunn had no problems, in fact Regazzoni was already entered and waiting while Mo was having another cup of tea, and Patrick Tambay could not wait to have anotherdrive in Teddy Yip’s new Ensign. Jacques Laffitte and the Ligier-Matra team were early entries as can be imagined, but the Hesketh team had only one entry, for Harald Ertl who had borrowed some money for the occasion.

Rupert Keegan had opted out as he didn’t really understand what it was all about, and felt that a 14-mile circuit was a bit much for his stamina, preferring circuits like the short Brands Hatch. Emerson Fittipaldi would have liked to have taken part, but his team were too busy “testing”. When David Purley heard about ter ace he said “Of ****! And me lying in hospital.” The German ATS wheel companyentered both the Penske PC4 cars, hoping they could persuade Jean-Pierre Jarier to run with one on each foot, while Villota and Neve both turned up but were not too sure why. Te BRM team were out in force, recalling old successes at the Nurburgring, and entered Guy Edwards and Brian Henton in the two P207 cars, and private owners Lunger and Merzario “just had to be there2.

Pratice went off with the usual alarms and excursions, with engines failing, gearboxes breaking, suspensions collapsing and one or two drivers momentarily losing there way. The six-wheeled March went down the pit road and was never seen again, for Ian Scheckter could not get it round the Sudkerve and it careered on down the soth ircuit nd into the haunted woods. Surprise of practice was that John Watson failed to qualify, not because he was not fast enough, but simply because he could not bring himself to set off round the full 14-mile circuit. He spent the whole of practice circulating round the pits-;oop, arguing with “little-people” as he came up the straight behind the pits, but winning the argument every time. Instead of peeling off left and over the bridge to start the full circuit, he turned right back into the pit area, to go round again and have another think. Other non-qualifiers were Villota, who had become so brain-washed into thinking he should not be there that he gave up trying, and Alex Ribeiro who was a bit relieved as he thought he was going to have to make his racing debut on this arduous circuit.

As can be seen from the starting grid, the 22 starters were arranged in rows of 3-2-3 in complete violation of the formula One Constructors’ Safety Code, but as the race was non-championship, the organisers put in a special clause in the supplementary regulations. They were hoping that Stommelen would qualify third fastestbehinfd Mass and Stuck but unfortunately one or two “stars” upset this plan. jochen Mass was on pole position, and in deference to historical fo we append the starting grid in the old fashioned way, without race numbers or 1 times, and cars are just cars and not mechani cal assemblages.

When the German flag fell (no cold, efficient starting lights in this race) it was Stuck who shot into the lead, with Hunt and Mass close behind as they led the pack down into the South Curve. As the lanky German driver led the race on the opening lap the cheers of the crowds could be heard all round the Eifel mountains, and when the red Brabham-Alfa burst back onto the starting plateau with 200 yards lead the roar from the huge crowd shook the vast grandstands. The two McLarens were still in hot pursuit, followed by Andretti (Lotus), Ickx (March), Stommelen (March), Nilsson (Lotus) and Laffite (Matra). There was already quite a gap before Derek Bell (March) appeared, leading the rest, but only twenty-one of the twenty-three starters went off on the second lap. Edwards (BRM) had retired at the Flugplatz with a blown up engine, and long after the field had passed Henton (BRM) drew into the pits to see if it was possible to change to his private March 761. As he explained later, if he was going to be last he might as well enjoy the drive!

On lap 2 Stuck was still leading as he breasted the rise at Flugplatz, and was really flying, pulling away from the two McLarens. The electric scoreboard on the Dunlop tower showed him still leading at Breidscheid, and even further ahead at the Karussel, but then another great roar came from the crowd as it was seen that Hunt was in the lead at Pflanzgarten, Mass second, Andretti third, Ickx fourth, Stommelen fifth and Nilsson sixth. No sign of Stuck. Eventually news came Trough that the Brabham-Alfa had flown so high over the jump at Brunchen that Stuck had lost all steering way, cleared the Armco and landed in the middle of a camp site, the Brabham draped in tents and sleeping bags. Fortunately everyone was at the rails watching these opening laps, so there were no casualties apart from broken beer bottles. Stuck climbed out of the wreckage, found an unbroken bottle of beer and quenched his thirst while apologising to the tent owners for the damage.

Meanwhile Hunt was leading the race, with "Hermman the German" breathing his exhaust fumes, but the McLaren pits signalled to them to "Hold position" and they looked to have the German GP well in hand. Andretti was losing ground in the Lotus, as every time it aviated over the jumps the air under the car became confused and blew instead of sucked, so that the Lotus 78 resembled a kangaroo until it settled down. Even Andretti's skill and determination could not cope with this phenomenon and while losing ground on the two McLarens Ickx and Stommelen were closing on him rapidly. Nilsson was in similar aerodynamic trouble and was passed by Laffite. Among the back-markers Lunger and Neve were having a splendid dice together, pressing Ertl and Schuppan, but Merzario had gone way ahead of them and was scrapping with Schenken. In midfield Reutemann had asserted himself and got ahead of Regazzoni and Bell, while jones was keeping up with them..

For lap after lap the two McLarens ruled the scene, running nose-to-tail in team order, though people were wondering when Teddy Mayer was going to let Mass through into the lead of his own Grand Prix. It seemed inconceivable that he was going to let Hunt win, even though the Englishman could have pulled away from his team-mate at any time he wanted to. Half-distance came and still Hunt led Mass, recalling shades of the 1955 British GP at Aintree when Fangio led Moss in a race that inevitably had to go to the British driver. Now the position was reversed, and if Hunt was any sort of Britisher he would presumably let jochen Mass by on the last lap, regardless of any signals from the pits.

Behind the two McLarens the scene had changed dramatically, for Andretti was being passed by everyone in turn as the Lotus blew instead of sucked, and even though the wily USAC man eased his pace over the jumps to prevent the phenomenon happening, it meant that he then was not going quickly enough to fend off his pursuers. Nilsson's troubles were solved by a big bang in his Cosworth engine and he coasted to a stop right beside a coachload of Swedish enthusiasts that Reine Wissell had brought down from Stockholm, so he climbed the fence and they all sat back and enjoyed themselves, recalling the great days of Jo Bonnier, Erie Carlsson and Ronnie Peterson, urging Gunnar to continue the good work. Stommelen had slid onto the grass in a shower of sparks as his March suspension collapsed, and jarier had crashed the ATS-Penske, and though he returned to the pits on a motorcycle the organisers would not let him continue in the spare car, as he had not come back via the circuit, had but ridden across country. Regazzoni and Bell had been so busy eyeing each other with apprehension that they failed completely to see Reutemann as he whisked the Ferrari past them coming out of the Fuchsrohre. The order now was Hunt, Mass, Ickx, Laffite, Reutemann, Bell and Regazzoni, with jones and Tambay leading the rest.

With only two laps to go a great roar could be heard from the 25,000 spectators at the Karussel, for it was Mass who appeared in the lead, with Hunt, limping along with a flat front tyre. The roar from the crowd went all round the circuit as the number 2 McLaren led the race. In the Start area the grandstands shook once more as 50,000 German voices urge their hero on. While poor Hunt limped along hoping to make it back to the pits, car after car overtook him and he slipped right back from the lead. Further back jones was also i trouble, his gearbox jamming in third gear so that he too was slipping back, while similar trouble eliminated Schenken and Neve. Almost unnoticed in the general excitement over the change of leader, jacky Ickx disappeared from a fine third place when the second-hand Cosworth engine in this March blew up.
Hunt made it back to the pits, a new wheel and tyre were fitted and he went back into the race like a scalded cat, even though he was now in last place. While jochen Mass cruised round the final lap acknowledging the plaudits of the vast crowd, Hunt was setting a new outright lap record, passing Schuppan and jones in the process, to finish a lowly ninth, but at least satisfied with having lapped the infamous Nurburgring at over 125 mph average speed.

To say that it was a popular victory would be the understatement of te year. Most of the 250,000 spectators went home happy in the knowledge tht they had seen their own countryman win the Grosser Preis von Deutschland, while Hunt was everybody’s hero and moral victor. Andretti was heard to mutter to colin Chapman that “… maybe we whould have gon to Hockenheim.” Patrick Tambay was almost delirious with delight with having finished sixth on his first Grand Prix vist to the Nurburgring, and Derek Bell said he thought this Grand Prix lark was good fumn. Reutemann and Regazzoni were wering dark brown looks and saying “…we ‘ave done our best”, while Teddy Yip was explaining how he was just about to make a team decision about team orders when James did it for him.

NB – When it was allover someone pointed out that Vittorio Brambilla had not been seen since Friday afternoon. John Surtees had been so busy looking after his new driver, Vern Schuppan, that he hadn’t noticed, and had assumed that Vitt waas “just getting on with it and not complaining”. A search on Monday morning found the Beta Surtees down at the bottom of a ravine and a note from Brambilla saying he had gone home as he could not see any way of retrieving the car.









#37 Bernd

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Posted 22 March 2001 - 01:22

Brilliant stuff thanks very much Roger. I had never heard that 'Monza Gorilla' story before but that sounds just like him to me :lol:

Dis car is sheeet! car... no fast ok!
Vittorio Brambilla truly a character

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Posted 22 March 2001 - 02:24

Thanx Roger, I enjoyed it tremendously... And thanx for taking the trouble of typing it. :) :)

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Posted 22 March 2001 - 02:46

Thanks Roger, I'd forgotten about that piece. I'll have a go at trying to find the piece I was referring to, but it won't happen tomorrow!

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#40 Roger Clark

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Posted 23 March 2001 - 00:00

Originally posted by Wolf
Thanx Roger, I enjoyed it tremendously... And thanx for taking the trouble of typing it. :) :)


just in case anybody thinks I'm completely mad, I didn't type it all, but used a scanner.

#41 Wolf

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Posted 23 March 2001 - 00:07

Sorry, Roger. :blush: No ofeence meant, but there were some minor mistakes in the text- nature of which led me to belive it was typed, rather than scanned...

#42 Roger Clark

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Posted 23 March 2001 - 00:12

Originally posted by Wolf
Sorry, Roger. :blush: No ofeence meant, but there were some minor mistakes in the text- nature of which led me to belive it was typed, rather than scanned...


Parts were, because of the binding, but I've had far more offensive things than that said about me...

#43 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 March 2001 - 01:34

Thanks, Roger... I've referred to this article a few times on the forum now... glad to be able to read it again.

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Posted 29 March 2001 - 07:27

Originally posted by Mike Argetsinger
Before this thread disappears altogether I want to raise one other dimension regarding the 1970 German GP at Hockenheim. As I outlined above the AvD pulled off the astounding feat of holding the world championship Grand Prix at Hockenheim on the same day they put on a full championship F-2 race at the Nurburgring.


I remember that. I had been backpacking around Europe that summer, had not been following the news very closely, and
showed up at the 'Ring expecting to see an F1 race. Boy, was I
surprised!

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Posted 29 March 2001 - 18:47

:lol: Twillis, when did you recognize your error - when a female showed up on the rostrum? :lol: