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[K-One]

http://www.atlasf1.c...p/id/3845/.html

Thursday March 15th, 2001

By Alan Baldwin

Michael Schumacher accused fellow-German Heinz-Harald Frentzen of bringing Formula One into disrepute on Thursday after the Jordan driver cast suspicion on Ferrari's engines.

The triple world champion, who got Ferrari off to a winning start to the season in Australia this month with his fifth successive victory, suggested Frentzen should keep quiet.

"He should concentrate on his own car and his own performance and not say the others do something wrong," Schumacher told a team news conference ahead of Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix.

"Basically I think he puts Formula One into quite a lot of dispute.

"If he feels there is something strange he has the right to make a protest to clarify it.

"Just to make a rumour like he does brings the sport into a lot of disrepute and bad criticism.

Frentzen created a stir last week when he posted a note on his website about the Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne.

The German finished fifth in that race, sandwiched between the Ferrari-engined Saubers of compatriot Nick Heidfeld and Finnish debutant Kimi Raikkonen.

Frentzen said that although he had managed to catch Heidfeld quite quickly, passing him was another matter.

"I don't know if traction control comes as a factory option with Ferrari engines," he said. "But every time I got close in a slower corner, he would pull away under acceleration which was strange as I could hear the engine misfiring."

Outlawed

Traction control and other electronic "driver aids" have been outlawed since the end of 1993 but the ruling International Automobile Federation (FIA) has agreed to allow the systems back from this year's Spanish Grand Prix in April.

One of the main reasons for the change in policy has been the FIA's admission that the systems are too complex to police.

Frentzen clarified his remarks in a subsequent note on his website that pulled away from any outright suggestion of cheating.

But he said he had noticed a phenomenon whenever he trailed behind a Ferrari-powered car over the past 18 races and was convinced Ferrari had some special engine software.

Schumacher said Frentzen should take back his words.

"To make this stupid comment is completely unfair, he should rethink what he is saying," said the champion.

"I know he does not say it is illegal but then he has to say that we have done a very good job, not say that it is dubious what we are doing."

"Everyone at Ferrari is very unhappy, all the tifosi (fans) are unhappy because we not only have a very good engine but we have two very good drivers."

While Schumacher was ready to slam Frentzen, a former team mate from sportscar days, he refused an opportunity to criticise Canadian Jacques Villeneuve for the crash at Melbourne that left a race marshal dead.

Villeneuve's BAR collided with the Williams of Schumacher's brother Ralf, who said afterwards: "I think Jacques overrated himself a bit, just like last year in Canada when he again ran into my car."

The Canadian has been a regular critic of Michael's driving tactics since the German drove into his Williams at the end of the 1997 season, a collision that could have won the title for the German but instead ensured it went to Villeneuve.

"He has criticised me in the past but I will not now take the opportunity to hit back," said Schumacher.

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This debate is getting more serious every day! I guess MS and HHF aren't best buddies especially when MS married HHF's girlfriend...
I am looking forward to see HHF's respond to this...

[Samurai]

Originally posted by K-One
"He (JV) has criticised me in the past but I will not now take the opportunity to hit back," said Schumacher.

Jeez what a pretentious guy. So he wants to say he could give JV sh@t, since JV's such a menace,
but won't, simply out of the goodness of his heart.
A simple "I wasn't a participant in that accident, no comment" would do.

[dEMoN]

For sure JV would have criticized MS if the Melbourne accident was caused by MS.
How many times has JV criticized MS for his "so called" dangerous driving ? He should take the same MS's attitude.

[JayWay]

Where the hell did he say that?

I'm a JV fan and I find his gesture not to take the opprotunity which is perfect to strike at his foe very classy. Where does he say JV is such a menace?

You got an active imagination

[Samurai]

Yes DEMoN you're right, but I think JV at least has a rightful grievance against MS since Schumacher has a history of purposely trying to ram him off the road at Jerez. Purposely, now that's dangerous driving.

[JayWay]

Ok, but that still doesn't answer where you got the idea that MS said JV is a menace...

[8nebula]

Originally posted by JayWay
Where the hell did he say that?

I'm a JV fan and I find his gesture not to take the opprotunity which is perfect to strike at his foe very classy. Where does he say JV is such a menace?

You got an active imagination

MS didn't actually say that JV was a menace......Samurai is just demonstating the point MS was trying to make.

[Samurai]

JayWay I don't think this is such a clean cut case:
"opportunity which is perfect to strike at his foe"
Was JV really such a menace (Schumacher class) in the accident? If everyone thinks so, then I agree that I took it in a bad way (still don't know why he had to say it like he did though). (yes 8nebula)

[JayWay]

No, MS made no point. It was the journalist that was trying to bait MS by asking tempting questions, but MS showed class and denied him the opprotunity. Any point he was trying to make is in your head.

[Thunder]

This is the absoluth truth , he put the blame and gone. Frentzen should be punished.

[HP]

Originally posted by Samurai
Yes DEMoN you're right, but I think JV at least has a rightful grievance against MS since Schumacher has a history of purposely trying to ram him off the road at Jerez. Purposely, now that's dangerous driving.

To err and do foolish things is human, to forgive is divine. Now don't read this, that I'm saying MS is god, he isn't. But trying to read other peoples mind is dangerous business.

MS seems to be on a reconciliatory path, and still he get's blasted by some people. Why? Jerez is history. JV got over it, and we should too. Life is too short to dwell on the past.

[Samurai]

JayWay if we want to be really literary here then, there is the intimation that "if I wanted I could hit back easily (=opportunity)"
is JV obviously in such a bad way (menace), that he would be such a sucker for Schumacher to criticize, you think? Is that the public opinion?
If he's so classy maybe he should just say what I wrote above, then I'd agree with you.

[Nira]

I'm with Samurai on this one. It's a huge difference between saying : I do not want to coment and He (JV) has criticised me in the past but I will not now take the opportunity to hit back.

The first is classy, the second are "I am so much better than him" kind of statement.

Got no stars in my book for that one.

[JayWay]

What Schumacher is saying, is this is no time for a war or words when someone has lost their life. That is classy. It is not cocky.

[magic]

"...Basically I think he puts Formula One into quite a lot of dispute..."



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*aidelaide '94 ( ramming hill) , spa'95 ( ramming hill), jerez '97 ( ramming jv),
argentina '98 ( sending dc flying) canada '98 ( pushing hhf off ), monza'99 (not turning up), france '00 ( chopping dc), austria '00 ( 'stalling' ), spa '00 (chopping mh), jap'00 (chopping mh).

[dEMoN]

Originally posted by JayWay
What Schumacher is saying, is this is no time for a war or words when someone has lost their life. That is classy. It is not cocky.

Exactly JayWay

[Isamu]

I agree with u samurai
Magic is spot on as well

JV's incident was a racing incident not premeditated like some of SCHUMACHER's stunts.

Schumacher is so up himself its disgusting....

[Thank-U]

my 2 penny

Regarding HHF: I think MS's comment was very correct: file a complaint, or shut up.
I understand Ferrari being unhappy with this in both cases:
- If they have NOT cheated, then being wrongly accused is really not nice
- If they HAVE cheated, then they have to take a chocked "You don't trust ME?" kind of stance.

Regarding JV:
I think for once that MS's objective was kind of honest one like "This is not the most appropriate time to discuss this"
BUT "tu chasses le naturel, il revient au Galop" as we say in Francia.

He fell short on being Really classy with a real neutral comment such as the ones that were suggested on this BB.
Unfortunately, he was probably tricked into being his old self by the interviewer and had to remind us that the world revolves around him:

"He has criticised me [Can you imagine that, Moâ]
in the past but
I [the almighty]
will not now take the opportunity to hit back [with storm and thunder]" .


Being real classy is when you make the other feel AS IF you did NOT EVEN SEE you had an opportunity to hit back.

Still kuddoes for him for trying !

[Bjorn]

I see what you mean that this was a bit inappropriate, it's actually what I thought at first. But remember that the bloke's German, English isn't his first language and it's very possible that he simply didn't know what implications his words carried ...

[The RedBaron]

Schuey says Frentzen has ‘made FIA a joke’


World champion lashes out at Jordan ace’s comments on Ferrari's alleged anti-wheelspin systems


Michael Schumacher has lashed out at Heinz-Harald Frentzen for bringing the sport of Formula 1 into disrepute.

Ferrari’s reigning world champion called on the Jordan driver to rethink after accusing Ferrari of using clever electronics to get around rules banning traction control.

The world champion said Frentzen’s "stupid" comments made "a joke" of the sport’s governing body and brought Grand Prix racing into disrepute.

Last week the Jordan ace claimed he had followed Ferrari or Ferrari-powered cars for the last 18 races and that they showed stunning acceleration out of corners combined with a misfiring engine.

While Frentzen said it was open to discussion whether the system was legal or illegal, he added: "For me, it is beyond doubt that somehow Ferrari managed to develop engine software which reduces the power by a certain margin to the extent that the driven wheels don’t spin.”

But as he prepared for the second round of the world championship in Malaysia on Sunday, Schumacher responded by saying: "I know he is not saying it is illegal. But then he has to say we are doing a very good job and then not say it is dubious what we are doing.

"If it is legal, it is legal. This is a fact - then we have done a better job than the rest."

Schumacher said it was the sport that would suffer for Frentzen's accusations.

"I think he puts F1 into quite a lot of dispute. He makes the FIA a joke honestly when he makes these kind of statements.

"The FIA are the top body to control the sport and if he feels there is something strange, then he has the right to make a protest to clarify it. In this situation he has to do this, because just to make the rumour as he has brings the sport a lot of disrepute and bad criticism.

"I feel it is very unnecessary and unfair when you have the big job and huge effort that everyone puts into this business,” he added. "We invest millions of dollars into projects to get the best performance out of the car and engine and everything, and just to make this stupid comment is completely unfair. He should really rethink what he is saying.”

Schumacher continued his blast at Frentzen by saying: "He should concentrate on his own car and look to his own performance and not say the others are doing something wrong.

"Everyone at Ferrari is very unhappy; the tifosi [Ferrari's fans] are very unhappy because I believe we have not only got a good engine and a good car and two very good drivers. On top of that we have got two other teams who are performing well, and if he is struggling to overtake he should work on his own interests and his own car."

Frentzen’s comments followed the opening round of the world championship in Melbourne when he battled with the Ferrari-powered Saubers driven by Nick Heidfeld and Kimi Raikkonen.

Heidfeld and Raikkonen finished fourth and sixth in Australia, with Frentzen fifth for Jordan.

Frentzen insisted nothing illegal had been done by Ferrari. But in his race-by-race column on his own website he went on to say: "It cannot be ignored that something like that exists, there is simply no room for a discussion about that. On the other hand, however, you can discuss if the device that exists is legal or illegal.”

Traction control has been outlawed since the end of the 1993 season, but will be reintroduced from next month's Spanish Grand Prix, effectively because the FIA, the sport's governing body, admits it cannot police it and feels some teams have an unfair advantage by finding a way around the rules.

Until Spain, teams cannot use a system which detects and then reacts to wheelspin, but can use engine maps which modify engine power under certain circumstances in order to prevent wheelspin before it starts.


HHF should shut up and drive, he never complained in 97 when he possessed by far and away the best car on the grid. An F1 newbie (JV) made him look foolish and 2nd rate.....he's non-WDC material just making up the grid numbers.

Either put up or shut up!

[A3]

Edit: Well, thats odd, this reply was in a different thread at first....

Please click on the smiley:

[Gemini]

I am really dissapointed with HHF after this whole "misfiring engines" story. Apparently HHF's brain was misfiring for a while when he kept speaking about that.

[The RedBaron]

Oops, sorry A3, I should have looked at the Topic listings first!
Shall i delete this thread as I'm only duplicating?

[Williams]

Also you have to ask, what was the question from the interviewer ? Was it something typically leading like "JV has been critcial of you in the past. What do you now think of his role in the accident in Melbourne ?" to which his reply would have been natural.

[hhffan]

Notice how FIA only say something after Mikey speaks.....bunch of morons!!!!!

Hello Kettle, this is Michael....you're black.

Self righteous hypocrite!

[Vincenzo1]

Nira:

I doubt MS will lose sleep over not getting a star from u

Regards

Originally posted by Nira
I'm with Samurai on this one. It's a huge difference between saying : I do not want to coment and He (JV) has criticised me in the past but I will not now take the opportunity to hit back.

The first is classy, the second are "I am so much better than him" kind of statement.

Got no stars in my book for that one.

[Vincenzo1]

Magic:

Now for English 101: Dispute is not equal to disrepute. Think about it and may the downforce be with you.

Originally posted by magic
"...Basically I think he puts Formula One into quite a lot of dispute..."



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*aidelaide '94 ( ramming hill) , spa'95 ( ramming hill), jerez '97 ( ramming jv),
argentina '98 ( sending dc flying) canada '98 ( pushing hhf off ), monza'99 (not turning up), france '00 ( chopping dc), austria '00 ( 'stalling' ), spa '00 (chopping mh), jap'00 (chopping mh).

[magic]

 Isamu
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Magic is spot on as well
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i agree with isamu.

[magic]

 Vincenzo1
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Magic: Now for English 101: Dispute is not equal to disrepute. Think about it and may the downforce be with you.
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to dispute you first need a guy who is disrupting.
i remember ms disrupting damon hill's frontsuspension in '94.
that has led to some disruptive disputes.
disreputable ms, the disputed champion of the disrupt f1world.

[Peeko]

to dispute you first need a guy who is disrupting. i remember ms disrupting damon hill's frontsuspension in '94. that has led to some disruptive disputes. disreputable ms, the disputed champion of the disrupt f1world.-magic

magic, wasn't Senna your idol?

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[The RedBaron]

Bjorn, I was just about to say the same thing, you beat me to it.
It seems that we have a lot of psycologists on this board, that like interpretating what is meant when a driver responds to a journalists question in a foreign language.

Predictable replies from Samurai & magic....what else could we have expected.

"aidelaide '94 ( racing incident, Hill made an optimistic move for the corner) , spa'95 ( read below and get your facts right -not ramming hill), jerez '97 ( guilty),
argentina '98 (racing incident, DC was off line going into that bend and shut the door prematurely - the gap was there) canada '98 ( careless but not deliberate), monza'99 (erm 5 races after leg break- you haven't a clue what your talking about), france '00 ( I would say it was the other way round- did you see DC's 2nd attempt), austria '00 (nothing to do with 'stalling'- more to do with DC chopping and cutting across MS line and forcing GF collision - even DC's good friend Jax said he was out of order ), spa '00 (chopping mh- granted but not excessively), jap'00 (MH had plenty of room to avoid the start "chop", which is what he did- Did you notice DC & Ralf boxing in RB just behind? That was far more dangerous).

Spa 95 race- Belgian GP post-race Damon Hill interview
F1

DH - When it started to rain I decided we had to go for wet tyres and eventually I caught him up, he was still on slicks and we had this great race, very close dicing, and at times I thought a little bit... I mean, I don't mind getting close to a car and I don't mind touching another car if I feel that it is genuinely people are trying their best to avoid hitting each other but when I think that that's not being done then I get a little annoyed about it. That's what I thought was going on a bit. The spectators and everyone who watch motor racing are entitled to see a close, exciting race and I think that we had that, we had a very exciting race. I'm all for that. Today we had a great exciting race, but there have to rules about to what extent you can drive like that. There has to be a guideline and it's not for me to say. I read the rule book and I interpret it in one way and the FIA stewards, it's their job to look at what goes on the track and make their minds up. There is a line at which, I believe, you shouldn't go over. I felt that at some points he went over that line a little bit.

MW - Now that sounds like a protest situation and there is a story going round that there is a protest in fact being made against Michael Schumacher. Is this to do with you or to do with the team?

DH - I can't comment because I know nothing about it. All I can say is, I've said how I feel about the matter to the press and also to Michael at first hand so he knows I'm not talking about things behind his back, I've told him to his face and we'll leave it at that. It's out of my hands completely, I'm a racing driver and I enter the race and I accept whatever goes on and we abide by the rules of the sport. If that's the way it's going to be from now on then I'll understand that.

MW - I have to embassedly tell you that when you were talking to Michael after the race I said there we are that proves they're really good chums after all. Was it in fact not that sort of a conversation?

DH - Not surprisingly Murray, you were wrong but you can be forgiven for that. No, it wasn't a congratulatory chat and I see no reason why I should hide that from anyone. I've said publicly I thought for anyone to win race from 16th place on the grid is a tremendous achievement, hats off to the guy, he won it and I can't complain about that, but I have my own views about the rest of it.

MW -You made a lot of the race before and you made a lot of the race right at the end when you were catching Martin Brundle. Did you ever have any doubt that you were going to catch him and get past, that was the tricky bit?

DH - Well it was close because I knew at what rate I was catching him and I knew how many laps there were. He could have made it very difficult for me to pass but I managed to slip past and we had a good race for a little while. He conceded the line and I went through but he wasn't happy about that but I don't feel sorry for him.

MW- I've said this before and I'll say it again. Keep smiling, the nation is still behind you

DH - I'm pleased to hear it. Thank you very much Murray.


Weaving and changing direction on slicks in wet conditions - Yes
Ramming - No
Get your facts right -magic

[130R]

Hmmm, this going to turn into quite the debate.

I will say this: I am delighted that HHF did in fact say what he did. It shook things up a bit and forced Max to clarify (HA!) his position on the allegations. It confirmed that Ferrari has a form of 'wheelspin prevention', and has had it, and been developing it for some time. Now, we would still be speculating if it weren't for Heinz!

Schuey seems a little defensive for a comment regarding a so-called legal system -- I think they would have liked to keep it quiet!

My hats off to HHF -- he has done the fans a service.

[Montre-AL]

Looks like Frentzen is about to suffer the same fate that all whistle-blowers do. Namely, the rest of the tribe will turn on him led, of course, by the chief beneficiary of the current state of affairs - heir Schu.

" Be quiet Heinz - we don't want them thinking we're a bunch of posturing primadonnas doing something any 16 year old snowboarder could be taught to do sssshhhhhh!!!!"

[schumigal]

Q. At the same time another compatriot, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, has made some slightly controversial comments about the engines. What do you feel about those?

MS. I was waiting for you to ask Nick the question because I thought he was talking more about him than me. But if you ask me I clearly have to say it is quite a big mistake to make such comments because it puts the sport in a lot of disrepute. We have a clean start of the season, the FIA declares the car legal, and then one person is making such a stupid comment, people write about it. People think Ferrari has been against traction control from the start of the season and they think why. But the reason that Ferrari is against starting like this is not only the issue of traction control because it is quite a big environment that will be changed from Barcelona on: differential, launch control, traction control, there's quite a lot of things we were simply not ready for and if we wanted to be against traction control or all of these we would have said we don't want it at all. We just simply could have said this. We simply felt we weren't ready at the start of the season, that's why we didn't want it, not because we have something tricky, and if I did my starts wouldn't be as bad as they were last year in my view. So I think it is very unfair of him to make this comment and now he doesn't say it's illegal, it's simply "dubious". What is that? I mean, either it's legal or it's not legal and our one is legal, so it's great. We are doing a good job, we are working very hard, we spent a lot of money for that, Nick did a fantastic job, and that only means that he (Frentzen) has to work harder for himself and not look at other people maybe doing something wrong. I think that's complete nonsense.

Now that's the truth!

[f1girl]

RedBaron I admire the thoroughness of your reply to magic, although I think you maybe confusing austria ('00) with hockenhiem('00). In any case, I do not understand how MS can be called a hypocrite for telling Frenzten to stop making public accusations without proof, based on a history of incidents that happened on
the racetrack. As far as I know MS has never publicly accused any
other teams of cheating.

[schumigal]

Continuing on about HH's comments:

Q. How much in Formula One are you allowed or prepared to say your opinions, because Heinz-Harald just said what he thought, what he felt. How far do you have to act politically and how far can you say if you feel something?

MS. I think we are all free. If anyone wants to slag me off personally, he can do it. There is nothing wrong with this, if you feel a problem with the person then you express this. But to say somebody operates illegally or dubiously or whatever is very hard, it is not what is correct. He should do a protest if he feels that, then we know what the situation is, it can be dealt with, the FIA say yes or no and we have an answer. We are all free and open to say what we think as long as we respect certain rules.

NH. Well obviously I agree. We are free to say what we want. About what Frentzen said or didn't said I'm not clear, but it's very difficult for the whole team, for me, and I guess for Ferrari too, to say anything which makes us look better again because he didn't it was illegal, so what can we do? If somebody thinks we are illegal we go to the FIA, then we will see. But actually our car is legal and that's it.

DC. I've been told I'm not allowed to say anything.

[Paste]

I find it hard to read anything into Michael's quote simply because English isn't his first language. He could've been implying he's better than JV, he could have been going more along the lines of a "no comment". I prefer to take it as the latter, as I think the last thing F1 needs is another stupid war of words. Battle it out on the track, not in the press room.

[RedFever]

No, THIS is thr truth, HHF admitting he is an idiot for creating this mess for no reason and finally explaining the difference:

"The comments about traction control made on my webpage seem to have been misconstrued by the media and now it seems some of the drivers have misunderstood me as well.

"I have never indicated that I was talking about illegal traction control but was merely discussing a form of legal traction control to explain to my fans some things about Formula One.

"I was commenting on my views as a driver following Ferrari powered cars around the track. Recent comments made by Max Mosley support my views and I hope that anything that may have been written about this should be ignored."

Frentzen was referring to the comments made by thee FIA's President, who confirmed that a system to stop the wheels from spinning doesn't have to be necessarily illegal.

"We disagree [with the allegations]," Mosley told Autosport, "and we are better placed than Heinz-Harald Frentzen to know what the various teams are doing.

"It is, however, a fact that some teams are able to tune their engines so that wheelspin becomes unlikely and more manageable. This is not the same thing as traction control."


In light of HHF's comments, it is obvious I and other were right, while DM, HH and the anti-Schumi lot were on one of their legendary made-up witch hunts.

HHF was clear indeed, but he trew a few low punches just to stir the pot a little. That's food for dogs though and the dogs obviously showed up, hungery and in hordes. But HHF was clear. Ferrari has it (best mappings), McLaren has it (almost has good as Ferrari), Honda has it (not good). That's what Frentzy said in the website. He stated Honda had it too but clearly not sophisticated, so he and others had a huge disadvantage comapred to Schumi, Rubens, mika and David. That's what Frentzy said and that's what Frantzy is forced to explain to the hordes of dogs always ready to jump on anything they can make up.

It was a delightfull week, seeing tehm all get excited having found another cheating lieing theory. Thank you Frentzy for blowing it in their faces once again.

[schumigal]

With regards to Schumi's comments about JV:

From schumacher-fanclub.com
Schumacher then spoke about safety, a subject that is in the news after the tragedy in Melbourne. "There are so many little things that can be done to improve safety," said Michael, "and we are in constant discussion with the FIA. There is no miracle solution, such as making the crash barriers higher. At least, fatal accidents are now the exception in Formula 1, whereas before they were the rule. As for the incident in Melbourne, I have not got enough information to make a judgement, but I do not think the drivers can be blamed. Despite the many criticisms he has made about me, this is not an opportunity to take revenge."

[RedFever]

JayWay, losing battle. You as a JV fan can see that Schumi avoided pointing the finger at JV and said it was a racing accident. Period. The anti-Schumi league instead has their brain so clouded with their hatred for Schumi that are unable of elementary mental process. Sad but true. No point in you getting into a discussion with Samurai, he dosn't have any flexibility, he is the Ayatollah of the Anti-Schumi Cult

[mtl'78]

Just something to think about...


-F1 is bringing back TC because engine mapping is so complex that it is infact equal to TC, and they can no longer police it.

This means that some teams are runningt a "form" of legal TC, no?

Maclaren and Ferrari are both literally miles ahead of the rest over a race distance, no?

Why is it so hard to believe that HHF is finding misfiring enginies that are running away from him. As far as I read, he didn't say Ferrari were cheating, just that they had a form of TC which was making his job impossible.


I for one believe him 100%, HHF is ususally very soft spoken. I also think that Ferrari are 100% within the rules, as well as Maclaren. I also believe that they both use traction control. Don't get me wrong, every team would use Maclaren or Ferrari software if they could. They just haven't been able to make an engine mapping program as good as the other two. I just hope that the full return of TC will mean closer racing. If it at least does that it will be a positive force for F1, which has been uncompetitive at the top for too long now.

[Paste]

When reading Shumigal's post, you can easily see that, in the original quote, Michael was pure class. Hopfully Jacques'll follow his lead and back off a little.

[mtl'78]

Oh, and about MS's JV comments... Puh-lease, even if it was a cheap shot (it COULD be I guess, you'd have to HEAR the quote I think) JV can take it fine, he sure has dished it out when he felt the need, so I don't see a problem there. I kind of have a guilty pleasure from their rivalry. They don't like each other, and they don't have to.

[RedFever]

Mtl78

that's exactly what HHF said the very first time. He said Ferrari had the best mapping induced form of TC, McLaren's was excellent too, very close to Ferrari, and that Honda's (yes, he said that, although the anti-Schumi pretended not to see it) mappings were crap. Still, he didn't accuse them of cheating, otherwise he would have accused his team and BAR as well, which would have been pretty dumb (just because Honda's system is bad, doesn't mean their actions are any different from the guys who got it right!!!).

HHF said today I was just explaning how those teams had an advantage compared to us by developing a leagl TC surrogate system. The Antis are served, now can we go back to racing???

[BuzzingHornet]

Originally posted by schumigal
either it's legal or it's not legal and our one is legal, so it's great. We are doing a good job, we are working very hard, we spent a lot of money for that

Questions:

1) What 'one'??
2) spent a lot of money for What precisely??

[Mrv]

Frentzen is a confused young man. With all the psychologist on this Forum you'd thing they would classify Frentzen as suffering from Schizophrenia!!!

[RedFever]

Mtl78, again, it's true. Both Ralf and JV stated that it was one of those crashes. They both believe they have less responsibility than the other (isn't it human???) but both said there is no need to talk about it, let's go back to racing.

In terms of JV's state of mind??? that's where he is:

""Maybe we are becoming slightly more aggressive now, which is a good thing, it's a part of racing,". Don't fear for his mental strenght!!!!

[P1 Pyrsol]

Originally posted by magic
 
to dispute you first need a guy who is disrupting.
i remember ms disrupting damon hill's frontsuspension in '94.
that has led to some disruptive disputes.
disreputable ms, the disputed champion of the disrupt f1world.

almost!

[RedFever]

Originally posted by magic

to dispute you first need a guy who is disrupting.
i remember ms disrupting damon hill's frontsuspension in '94.
that has led to some disruptive disputes.
disreputable ms, the disputed champion of the disrupt f1world.

Magic, and you are surprised???? MS's idol was Ayrton Senna.......;)

[JPMCrew]

Does anyone remember a Ralf Schumacher interview from this winter where he said something very similar to what Frentzen said about Ferrari and his brother running TC-like software?

How come he didn't get killed by Ferrari fans and the media for saying the samething Frentzen said?