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Schumacher, Alonso and Button driving styles, (and the reason why Schumacher's comeback was affected by it).


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#1 aliasj

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:12

Now as Schumacher's re-retiring, I decided to study why Schumacher's driving and laptimes during his comeback wasn't as quick as his earlier career. I've used a couple of analysis articles and videos as sources (which I'm including here) and have suggested three major factors that have affected Schumacher (and only him), in this way.

1). Refueling.
2). Tires.
3). Reflexes.


Well, before I make my case, lets first lets have a look at Schumacher's driving style, compared to Aryton Senna, Herbert, Alonso and Button.

Analytic 1,
Throttle Control
by Damon Hill, Johnny Herbert and Jonathan Palmer. (Video)

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In very simple words, Schumacher doesn't lift off much during the corner, but eases off much earlier before reaching it. He also gets on the throttle faster before exiting, and hence carries a faster exit speed out of it. Now in the video Herbert says that Aryton Senna had a similar style, but much more extreme. Senna's foot movement was like an 'actuator', puff puff puff puff, (or a machine gun, rat tat tat tat tat). I can only guess that Schumacher's would be more of a 'drummer', ticka ticka ticka toe.

Analytic 2,
Steering
by Damon Hill, Johnny Herbert and Jonathan Palmer. (Video)

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In very, very simple words, Schumacher is putting in much more steering work, because his speed is faster, he has to correct the car's position more.

Analytic 3,
Cornering style
by Martin Brundle. (Video)

Martin compares the driving styles of the three drivers, Schumacher, Button and Alonso, and explains very nicely. However, I'm gonna summarize it in this way.

1). Jenson Button turns the car around a corner like a car. (textbook curve).
2). Fernando Alonso turns the car around a corner like a fighter jet. (as if evading an incoming missile).
3). Michael Schumacher (and Kimi Raikkonen) turn the car around a corner like a helicopter, or rally car attached to a slingshot. (like Batman, the Batmobile in Tim Burton's Batman).

Watch the video in the link to see what I mean. But here's a simple illustration.

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From the Video, Brundle says Button turns like putting a spoon through a truffle. Alonso is very aggressive, ugly but effective. Schumacher's is most high-risk, high-effort, high-stress, car is on a knife edge (dancing), like the way Aryton Senna's car dances.

Button's corner.
Button is a perfect, textbook driver. Constant trajectory, no drama, smooth and silky. Easy on brakes, easy on tires.
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Constant trajectory, no drama, smooth and silky. Easy on brakes, easy on tires.

Alonso's corner.
Alonso turns the car so hard that the front wheels actually lift off the ground! This way all the force is transferred to the back wheels, the back end sticks to the road (super-downforce), but needs a lot of skill and aim to make this work.
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Look at the amount of steering push that Alonso does, as if he's Luke Skywalker dodging an incoming phaser-blast.
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Front wheels actually lifts off the ground!
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The car turns so much that it even steps over the grass at the apex.

Schumacher's corner.
Schumacher's technique is most difficult to perform and to visualize. However, it is like this. Schumacher uses his front-wheels as a slingshot. He brakes very hard, almost locks his front wheels. If he wasn't so skilled or if someone else tried it, they'd lock their brakes every corner. Now because the front end is stopped therefore the rear end steps out (the car pivots), Schumacher then aims the nose like a slingshot towards the apex, and in a perfect 'symphony-of-motion', the car turns the corner beautifully. Another way to visualize it is like a helicopter, not only does the helicopter turn by pointing its main rotor, it also swivels on the spot by using its tail rotor. Instead of just one force turning the vehicle, there are two forces, thus accelerating the turn. Likewise, not only Schumacher's front tires turn but the back end also slides out, (like a rally car), although its so precise that you can't see it on the TV.
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Michael always brakes very hard before reaching every corner. Its on the edge of locking the wheels and maximum braking. With other drivers you will see brake smoke every corner!
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As a result, the rear-end steps out (always), and it pivots the car on the spot. That's why they say Schumacher loves oversteery, back-end happy car
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Michael then aims the car towards the apex, and let the slide, the turn, the throttle all balance itself out. Without telemetry data it would be difficult to visualize here, but the back end of the car is turning a lot.

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Or this.
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Now! As you see that Schumacher's cornering style is so complicated, it is TOUGH, VERY TOUGH on brakes, tires and skill. He needs very unique set-up for this kind of style (Barrichello could never drive Schumacher's car, they used to say). He also needed a very good car (cars were built tailor-made for him at Ferrari), and he also need very good tires (Bridgestone tailor-made them for him). In this way, it was the perfect package, Schumacher, Ferrari, Bridgestone were able to dominate the sport, winning multiple consecutive championships. Mind you, if Schumacher didn't have the skill, this would not have been possible to start with.

However,

Comeback
The major things (or THE MAJOR THING) that changed when Schumacher cameback was

1). Refueling. Before 2010, the race was a series of sprints between pit-stops. The cars could drive flat-out at low fuel, throw away the tires and flat-out again. This suited Schumacher perfectly, as his style was very hard on tires. From 2010, he now had to cope with heavy cars, lots of fuel, and he could not use that style anymore.
2). Tires. Tires were no longer tailor-made to Schumacher. Even if Schumacher could push one lap and theoretically be faster than Rosberg, the next few laps his tires would be gone! finished. Bridgestone front tires in 2010 were also narrower in size, so Schumacher could not fully use his 'slingshot' style, and Pirelli 2011, 2012 had very poor sustained top-steep.
3). Reflexes. The rest of issues all down to age. He was older, lost 1/100th milliseconds of nervous response time, and that in F1 terms would I guess, mean atleast 0.9s to 1s of laptime.
4). Merc cars were rubbish too... not as fast as 2000s Ferraris or 90s Benetton's. if I may add. :)

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OK! Now you guys tell me what you think!
Cheers!

Edited by aliasj, 07 October 2012 - 04:17.


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#2 BigCHrome

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:17

Alonso doesn't really drive like that anymore. That was only to take advantage of the Michelins.

Anyway, I guess your analysis says that Schumacher was a 1 trick pony, who cannot adapt?

Also why doesn't Raikkonen have problems with the tires then?

Edited by BigCHrome, 07 October 2012 - 04:18.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:18

I love the mix of the batmobile with actual data! :lol:

Interesting read though.

Edited by goldenboy, 07 October 2012 - 04:21.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:20

Some reasonable points yes, though I disagree with your conclusions completely about the fuelling part (Has no effect on schumacher's driving, it affects everyeone equally) and reflexes (a fantasy), and your detail about tyres misses the point completely which is not custom tyres, it is the design of the current tyre being based on artificial thermal degradation rather than actual legitimate tyre wear.

but apart from drawing wholly erroneous conclusions, nice post. Oh and you forgot about the single most important factor which was the exhaust blown damper which, especially when hot blowing, actually makes Schumacher's favoured style physically impossible.

So good style on the swing but you missed the ball completely.

#5 aliasj

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:25

Alonso doesn't really drive like that anymore. That was only to take advantage of the Michelins.

Anyway, I guess your analysis says that Schumacher was a 1 trick pony, who cannot adapt?

Also why doesn't Raikkonen have problems with the tires then?


No I think he could adapt, he adapted, but due to all those gimmicks gone who was unable to reach prior career speeds. Also Raikkonen is younger. Mind you.. Raikkonen, this is an argument, should be much more faster than Grosjean, but isn't (same as Schumacher and Rosberg). But either ways, its a mixture of many elements, no one analysis is 100% correct, its a combination.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:28

Some reasonable points yes, though I disagree with your conclusions completely about the fuelling part (Has no effect on schumacher's driving, it affects everyeone equally) and reflexes (a fantasy), and your detail about tyres misses the point completely which is not custom tyres, it is the design of the current tyre being based on artificial thermal degradation rather than actual legitimate tyre wear.

but apart from drawing wholly erroneous conclusions, nice post. Oh and you forgot about the single most important factor which was the exhaust blown damper which, especially when hot blowing, actually makes Schumacher's favoured style physically impossible.

So good style on the swing but you missed the ball completely.

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I forgot to add in the article.

Senna used to drive flat-out for 2 laps in qualifying. He said to sustain that speed in the race would be physically impossible for him. Schumacher used to drive flat-out throughout the race (particularly race-starts, before and after pitstops), but this was only during refueling era. Article here .. http://www.talkingab...-...pref=fb&m=1 (middle of the article where Aryton Senna is mentioned).

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:31

Some reasonable points yes, though I disagree with your conclusions completely about the fuelling part (Has no effect on schumacher's driving, it affects everyeone equally) and reflexes (a fantasy)

Surely reflexes play a large role in laptime when you're in car like the W01/W02/W03, having to catch the car halfway into the corner, adjusting break bias et al?

#8 aliasj

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:32

Anyway, I guess your analysis says that Schumacher was a 1 trick pony, who cannot adapt?


True in a way. Only that the 1 trick pony was really a huge advantage in speed, and in terms of wins, etc. I think it was a driving style gift.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:34

Interesting read. But I always felt that the no.1 reason for Schumacher's return not being as good as his first stint is his age. But he definitely showed in the past year or so that he is still reasonably good.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:43

Surely reflexes play a large role in laptime when you're in car like the W01/W02/W03, having to catch the car halfway into the corner, adjusting break bias et al?


There isnt any evidence that Schumacher has suffered any loss in that area. Watch a video of his pole lap in Monaco this year (aside from the absurdity of suggesting a driver who got pole at monaco has lost his reflexes), him adjusting his brake bias through the swimming pool. Still as good as ever in that area.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:51

While fun to read, this is an over simplification of driving styles, every corner is different, every single lap, drivers never take 2 corners exactly the same, there are always differences (even tho small).


Alonso is much more smoother than people think, so can Hamilton. Button on the other hand struggle the most when adapting driving styles.






#12 DutchCruijff

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:02

There isnt any evidence that Schumacher has suffered any loss in that area. Watch a video of his pole lap in Monaco this year (aside from the absurdity of suggesting a driver who got pole at monaco has lost his reflexes), him adjusting his brake bias through the swimming pool. Still as good as ever in that area.

1. In the case of Monaco, where the car was extremely well balanced and well perfect to the "normal" car, it is a case of anticipation, knowing what the car is going to do, feeling confident and a case of hitting the lines perfectly, rather than a case of reflexes when having to react to the car's spontaneity
2. It's scientifically proven that reflexes are lost as you age + his reflexes were never out of the extra-ordinary either.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:14

1). Refueling. Before 2010, the race was a series of sprints between pit-stops. The cars could drive flat-out at low fuel, throw away the tires and flat-out again. This suited Schumacher perfectly, as his style was very hard on tires. From 2010, he now had to cope with heavy cars, lots of fuel, and he could not use that style anymore.


Refuelling has nothing to do with qualifying which for most of his career was low on fuel, where he excelled just as it was since his comeback where he has been dominated by Rosberg and only out qualified him 15 times out of 52 races. The refueling excuse does not apply, as Michael has performed much worse in qualifying as well as races since he came back. He was always amazingly fast from 1991-1994 with refueling, outscoring Senna in 1992.

2). Tires. Tires were no longer tailor-made to Schumacher. Even if Schumacher could push one lap and theoretically be faster than Rosberg, the next few laps his tires would be gone! finished. Bridgestone front tires in 2010 were also narrower in size, so Schumacher could not fully use his 'slingshot' style, and Pirelli 2011, 2012 had very poor sustained top-steep.


From 1991-1998 Schumacher used Goodyear tyres along with the rest of the grid, and they were some of his best years where he was already an all time great. Ferrari made the late switch to bridgestones in 1999 after Mclaren, so the tyres would not have been designed for him anyway.

3). Reflexes. The rest of issues all down to age. He was older, lost 1/100th milliseconds of nervous response time, and that in F1 terms would I guess, mean atleast 0.9s to 1s of laptime.
4). Merc cars were rubbish too... not as fast as 2000s Ferraris or 90s Benetton's. if I may add. :)


A better definition would simply be old age. Thats the only reason for his poor performance, and a lot more simple than looking for complicated reasons as you and many others have.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:15

Schumacher's career wouldn't have lasted this long without adapting his driving style many times.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:26

A better definition would simply be old age. Thats the only reason for his poor performance, and a lot more simple than looking for complicated reasons as you and many others have.


I believe age is the single biggest factor in determining his comeback form. All sportsmen are affected by age and he is no different. His reflexes are a bit slower and he is infinitely less hungry than Schumacher 1.0.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:28

Schumacher's career wouldn't have lasted this long without adapting his driving style many times.


+1

He drove different cars, different engines, different tires and he was always up there. Until his return.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:47

Hmm.. I know, I know.

Age is the biggest factor. Although I still think a better car, better tires would have helped him loads. Btw..

Ross Brawn said (in 2010) that Schumacher was faster than Rosberg on the high speed corners. Its those boring, sweeping, snaking, long second-gear corners where he lost speed.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 05:57

Slow speed is where you require balance, finess and smoothness, which is what you lose with age.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:00

Firstly, I think the post was a fantastic read :up:. You seem to have done quite a bit of research into that post, good stuff. Keep it up, I love to read these interpretation of driving styles and the like, even though it might not be entirely accurate as some of the other posters pointed out.

F1 drivers, especially the good ones, adapt their driving styles around regulations and cars they have to drive over the years. Thus an analysis of Schumacher's driving style in a twitchy and nervous B195 might be completely different when you compare with how he drove the much more predictable F2002 for example.

Good post nevertheless

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:55

Firstly, I think the post was a fantastic read :up:. You seem to have done quite a bit of research into that post, good stuff. Keep it up, I love to read these interpretation of driving styles and the like, even though it might not be entirely accurate as some of the other posters pointed out.

F1 drivers, especially the good ones, adapt their driving styles around regulations and cars they have to drive over the years. Thus an analysis of Schumacher's driving style in a twitchy and nervous B195 might be completely different when you compare with how he drove the much more predictable F2002 for example.

Good post nevertheless


Thanks! :)

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:59

Yeah I would like to say that though I don't agree with your conclusions I greatly appreciate your effort in bringing a detailed analysis here.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 08:11

Yeah I would like to say that though I don't agree with your conclusions I greatly appreciate your effort in bringing a detailed analysis here.


+1 :up: