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[D.M.N.]

Surprised there is no thread already, Max Mosley was on The F1 Show on Sky Sports F1 last night. AUTOSPORT have a few quotes from the show: http://www.autosport...t.php/id/103560

Aside from what AUTOSPORT mention, Mosley also talked about the 2009 breakaway series and how it was always going to be a "fantasy" and was never really going to happen.

He also went into detail about the events surrounding Indianapolis 2005, arguing that it was not that event that made F1 decline in America saying it was never popular in the first place. Mosley said that it was Indianapolis 2005 that ironically put F1 on the map over there.

Mosley said a chicane was never feasible from his view, because if there was a crash and debris when into the crowd, then the FIA would have been liable and sued for not having inspected the track and doing the correct procedures before the race weeekend.

A great show and interview I thought with Max, interesting to get his thoughts on things.

[olliek88]

I thought he was very good, interesting and had some good insight too. He gets plenty of stick over his way of dealing with the teams and i was never a fan of his but on reflection he has done alot for this sport. He was responsible for the huge push in safety in the early 90's, Senna/Ratzenberger's deaths were the catalysts but he over saw and implement a lot of important changes. Plus he started off the cost saving push, some might not like it but if costs hadn't been cut from what they where 10 or so years ago F1 would be in massive trouble right now, parc ferme was a great idea from Max.

Personally i think he'll be remembered more (in the F1 community at least) for all the good things he did rather than his dodgy sex life that a newspaper tried to use to get rid of him, incidentally what happened to that newspaper? You don't take on Max unless your sure your 100% bullet proof.

[peroa]

Surprised there is no thread already, Max Mosley was on The F1 Show on Sky Sports F1 last night. AUTOSPORT have a few quotes from the show: http://www.autosport...t.php/id/103560

Aside from what AUTOSPORT mention, Mosley also talked about the 2009 breakaway series and how it was always going to be a "fantasy" and was never really going to happen.

He also went into detail about the events surrounding Indianapolis 2005, arguing that it was not that event that made F1 decline in America saying it was never popular in the first place. Mosley said that it was Indianapolis 2005 that ironically put F1 on the map over there.

Mosley said a chicane was never feasible from his view, because if there was a crash and debris when into the crowd, then the FIA would have been liable and sued for not having inspected the track and doing the correct procedures before the race weeekend.

A great show and interview I thought with Max, interesting to get his thoughts on things.

Maybe we couldn't wait to get rid of him?

[D.M.N.]

Maybe we couldn't wait to get rid of him?

At the time, yes. But on reflection with cost-cutting, he did a lot of good for the sport otherwise costs would have spiralled out of control. As he said in the interview last night, he took measures that the teams' did not like, but had to be done anyway, such as Qualifying engines and tyres being removed.

[Felix]

Interesting that he had no qualms about appearing on a show owned by the Murdoch organisation, the very folk who exposed his sordid sexual preferences. But then qualms and Mosley were seldom, if ever, exclusive terms.

[BackmarkerUK]

The way the new teams were chosen for 2010 lacked transparency. Why were a small F3 outfit from Yorkshire, a Spanish team without proper finances, a vapour-ware team from the USA, and a group of rich Malaysians laying claim to a famous name chosen over established motorsport outfits like Lola, Prodrive, and Epsilon Euskadi? I can't say I've got too much criticism of Todt - he's kept his head down and got on with the job. If Mosley had done the same maybe there wouldn't have been such a desire for his resignation. Credit where credit's due for making the sport safer, and for attending Ratzenberger's funeral when everyone else went to Senna's.

[Szoelloe]

Interesting that he had no qualms about appearing on a show owned by the Murdoch organisation, the very folk who exposed his sordid sexual preferences. But then qualms and Mosley were seldom, if ever, exclusive terms.

On the contrary, he was there to gloat, "Those folks" were exposed and buried.

[pacificquay]

Interesting that he had no qualms about appearing on a show owned by the Murdoch organisation, the very folk who exposed his sordid sexual preferences. But then qualms and Mosley were seldom, if ever, exclusive terms.

Murdoch is a minority shareholder in the company that owns a minority stake in Sky. He does not "own" it in the sense you're suggesting

[BernieEc]

Interesting that he had no qualms about appearing on a show owned by the Murdoch organisation, the very folk who exposed his sordid sexual preferences. But then qualms and Mosley were seldom, if ever, exclusive terms.

Sordid.....I don'y mind a smack once in while.....am pretty sure we all do..........

[Felix]

Murdoch is a minority shareholder in the company that owns a minority stake in Sky. He does not "own" it in the sense you're suggesting

A 39.14 per cent controlling stake is a minority stake? And don't kid yourself that THE Murdochs don't dominate News Corp

Edited by Felix, 20 October 2012 - 12:42.

[Felix]

Sordid.....I don'y mind a smack once in while.....am pretty sure we all do..........

And pay for it? I'm pretty sure WE all don't

[undersquare]

Max has always been charming and plausible, that's how he survived for so long being corrupt, biased and vindictive. For just one example threatening to pull Coulhard's superlicence for criticising safety.

I thought we'd seen the last of him.

I'm pretty disappointed with Sky.

[Ross Stonefeld]

What, they should have blacklisted a former FIA president from all F1 interviews?

[darkkis]

Max has always been charming and plausible, that's how he survived for so long being corrupt, biased and vindictive. For just one example threatening to pull Coulhard's superlicence for criticising safety.

I thought we'd seen the last of him.

I'm pretty disappointed with Sky.

+1. Mosley should just stay out of F1 business. He mostly hurt F1 anyways.

[olliek88]

+1. Mosley should just stay out of F1 business. He mostly hurt F1 anyways.

No, he didn't. Quite the opposite in fact.

Without him F1 would still be extremely dangerous and ridiculously expensive, which in all probability would of left F1 doomed, modern sponsors wouldn't want to be associated with such a dangerous sport and the high costs in the modern economy would of meant teams going bankrupt left, right and centre.

[Fastcake]

Max has always been charming and plausible, that's how he survived for so long being corrupt, biased and vindictive. For just one example threatening to pull Coulhard's superlicence for criticising safety.

I thought we'd seen the last of him.

I'm pretty disappointed with Sky.

Why, are you not interested in his story? I've got plenty of criticism of him, especially regarding his final term of office, but I still want to hear his point of view. Even for current affairs, it's a lot more fascinating to hear an ex-FIA presidents view than drivers, team members or random journos.

I do share his view that the whole breakaway series was nothing more than an empty threat, there was no way in hell the teams are capable of actually running the entire show. Half of them struggle to run themselves. It's just a shame the whole budget cap thing fell apart. At the time I was against it, mainly because I felt it was too drastic a limit with not enough time to implement it. However, the costs did have to be cut back and it was ironically enough probably Max's earlier cost cutting decrees that stopped any proper work from being done and we ended up with the ineffective RRA. It would be remiss to say though that he could of tried to stop F1 becoming so expensive in the first place.

Also, he raised a good point on the vested interests that are standing in the way of a clear progressive ladder to Forumla One. I know money has always been required, but it's quite shocking to learn that part of the reason GP2 has become so expensive is the amount of money the series organisers charge for the parts they acquire from Dallara.

They should definitely get Mosley on again. Or Bernie for that matter.

[AlexS]

...ridiculously expensive...

Pathetic, there is no cost cutting in F1.
There are only manipulation and interference to spend more in some items and less in others.

Money is a fungible thing, if it can't be spend on track it will be spend on computers, pilots etc...

[Felix]

No, he didn't. Quite the opposite in fact.

Without him F1 would still be extremely dangerous and ridiculously expensive, which in all probability would of left F1 doomed, modern sponsors wouldn't want to be associated with such a dangerous sport and the high costs in the modern economy would of meant teams going bankrupt left, right and centre.

Without him the FIA would still own the rights to the championship and the teams would share 90% of F1's revenues in place of the 34-odd percent overall they have shared since he hit office. What a difference the 56% would make to teams' budgets. Instead it has ended up in the hands of bankers, party girls and an ex-wife.

As for safety: two drivers and two marshals died during grands prix on his 18-year FISA/FIA watch. During Balestre's 15-year FISA/FIA watch the total number is three.

Edited by Felix, 20 October 2012 - 14:19.

[Tenmantaylor]

Saw it, was pretty good. I'd argue cost caps and cost saving are equally huge fantasy as most people in the sport are rich and like getting richer. The constructors is all about money as Max said so who what are they going to do with that money if they're not allowed to spend it? Give it to charity? The sport is as capitalist as it gets, you have to be rich to get started and even richer to have a chance at making it to F1. It's not like football which is arguably awash with money but the game costs nothing to get on the career ladder in comparison. It's noble of Max to have the vision but it's huge fantasy when even karts cost tens of thousands of pounds a year to run for a competitive season at the most basic level of competition. It's not so much controlling the money that F1 spends as finding ways to fund a cheaper entry level. I don't think Max had anything near feasible to solve this as it simply isn't possible.

[olliek88]

Without him the FIA would still own the rights to the championship and the teams would share 90% of F1's revenues in place of the 34-odd percent overall they have shared since he hit office.

As for safety: two drivers and two marshals died during grands prix on his 18-year FISA/FIA watch. During Balestre's 15-year FISA/FIA watch the total number is three.

Your stupid if you think F1 was safer in the 80's than it currently is. There's lies, damn lies and statistics, F1 is immeasurably safer now days.

[Felix]

Your stupid if you think F1 was safer in the 80's than it currently is. There's lies, damn lies and statistics, F1 is immeasurably safer now days.

Those are the facts - and IF F1 is immeasurably safer now, that is all down to Mosley? Which is the essential discussion here.

[olliek88]

Those are the facts - and IF F1 is immeasurably safer now, that is all down to Mosley? Which is the essential discussion here.

I never said its all down to Max, of course it isn't but he was played a very important role in it.

[BoschKurve]

Just remember that it was under Mosely's watch that led to the environment of 1994 that left two drivers dead and almost killed a third at Monaco.

That doesn't even get into the other stuff such as fixing the vote to prevent Benetton from being kicked out of the 1994 World Championship as should have been done.

Mosely just likes to hear the sound of his voice, and hopes if he speaks long enough that everyone will forget the truth about him. He's a seriously sick bastard that has a lot of screws missing in his head.

[HoldenRT]

Upon reading those quotes I immediately googled imaged of Max's "sex controversy" and laughed my ass off for a good 60 seconds. Poor Max (sarcasm).

Did he do some good? Yes. Does he make good points sometimes? Yes. But overall.. I've never been so glad to see someone in power decline.. and the way it happened.. the newspaper headlines.. (laughs some more)

There was a time when I defended him on here.. and I am not a bitter person. But I have good instincts when it comes to people and I don't like Max. I don't even care what he says these days to be honest.. I am just glad to see the end of him. Those quotes where he (sort of) wants sympathy.. just makes me laugh even more. When Max was in power, he was ruthless.

On final point is.. I haven't smelt one hint of corruption or favouritism since Todt has been in charge. Confrontational or not.. I like Todt's style.. I never would have thought that.. when he initially took over from Max.. but so far so good. Yeah there's been bad stewards decisions, yeah these's been some iffy regs changes.. but nothing that stands out as stinking to high heaven.. unlike when Max was in charge. Farewell Max..

[Velocifer]

I can't say enough how glad I am that megalomaniac Mosley got out of the sport. Damn near split F1 in two, and with his petty vindictive 'penalties' showed he didn't care a thing about teams and drivers hard earned points, only to get his (and his master Ecclestone) way.

Now he's preaching the confrontational style. The guy is so 20th century it's embarrassing.

[HoldenRT]

Mosely just likes to hear the sound of his voice, and hopes if he speaks long enough that everyone will forget the truth about him. He's a seriously sick bastard that has a lot of screws missing in his head.

Something like that.

[HoldenRT]

[pacificquay]

Without him the FIA would still own the rights to the championship and the teams would share 90% of F1's revenues in place of the 34-odd percent overall they have shared since he hit office. What a difference the 56% would make to teams' budgets. Instead it has ended up in the hands of bankers, party girls and an ex-wife.

As for safety: two drivers and two marshals died during grands prix on his 18-year FISA/FIA watch. During Balestre's 15-year FISA/FIA watch the total number is three.

Peterson, Depailler, Villeneuve, Paletti, de Angelis.

I'd say that's 5.

[BoschKurve]

Peterson, Depailler, Villeneuve, Paletti, de Angelis.

I'd say that's 5.

Depailler and de Angelis were killed in testing which is why they aren't counted.

[jjcale]

Without him the FIA would [likely] still own the rights to the championship and the teams would share 90% of F1's revenues in place of the 34-odd percent overall they have shared since he hit office. What a difference the 56% would make to teams' budgets. Instead it has ended up in the hands of bankers, party girls and an ex-wife.

...

This.

People are too forgiving of the role that he played in that murky deal .... .... whatever else he has done with his life is irrelevant. I dont care if he was the best FIA president ever - one could make an argument that he should be somewhere else and not in a position to be lording it around now like he is some kind of paragon of anything.

Edited by jjcale, 20 October 2012 - 16:11.

[Rob]

Without him the FIA would still own the rights to the championship and the teams would share 90% of F1's revenues in place of the 34-odd percent overall they have shared since he hit office. What a difference the 56% would make to teams' budgets. Instead it has ended up in the hands of bankers, party girls and an ex-wife.

This is the main thing. The deal was shady, done behind closed doors and for a fraction of what the rights were worth. If Max cared about the interests of the sport then he would have put the rights out to tender. This was about doing what was right for Max, not the sport.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Does anyone want to talk about what he actually said?

[Sakae]

Where we can find transcript of this interview?

[Felix]

Where we can find transcript of this interview?

I guess a copy of the show will surface on Youtube eventually, it was not a circuit broadcast so no FOM issues

[Sakae]

Due to excellent attention of someone on this forum I have now seen the interview (probably 99% of it anyway), but I must say that I do not necessarilly agree with MM on the RRA agreement. He said, paraphrasing, that some teams spend too much money, which makes for uneven competition, yet next to him sat a former Toyota driver...

All depends, I think, how one defines F1 and where you want to take this sport. Do you really want all things equal? I don't, and I view F1 as two tier entity as preferable solution. Secondly, Ferrari spends as much as RBR, if not more, but at the end, it is know-how, and the idea that AN has which counts; that fact should not be lost on us. Toyota allegedly spend truck full of money, and without desirable results.

MM looks well, in his time I did not like his confrontational policies, but he is a smart man, that's beyond shadow of doubts. The girl next to him was just fitting well with the subject; she is just beautiful. Overall well done show, very nicely demonstrated technical points, I have enjoyed.

Edited by Sakae, 20 October 2012 - 18:56.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Sure, Toyota didn't dominate F1. But let's not pretend that the team that wins every year isn't among the most funded.

[eronrules]

there you go folks ... uploaded the show for ya hopefully it stays that way.



BTW, i've gotta say, of all the guests featured in the show, max mosley is perhaps one of the best ones yet.

[Sakae]

Two tier system is more accomodating to top teams, I think. Ferrari really doesn't care to race someone from new entrants; I think LdM made that clear already. There are probably four or five teams who want to distinguish themselves, and while I do agree that spenders have better chance to grab the championship, lets do not pretend that spending more has linear relationship to chances that you win WDC. In 2009 Brawn has demonstrated quite clearly what one smart a** can do to all the big spenders.

[Ross Stonefeld]

You should research the amount of funding Brawn had.

[Mandzipop]

I enjoyed the interview. Taking away his opinions, he is an interesting and clever man to listen to. Even if you disagree with whatever his stance is, there is a rationale behind it and he makes it clear from his perspective his thinking. He is extremely articulate and it makes him interesting to listen to.

What I took away from it is that he is a fan of motorsport. He gets up and watches the races on tv as we do. A lot of debates on this forum lead to the discussion if I was the FIA President I would do this. Whereas his perspective is when I was the President of the FIA I should have done this.

To me that came across as a common theme, and although I got the impression that although he is happy with most of the decisions he made, there was an air of regret and unfinished business which he can no longer have any impact on.

[King Six]

Oh right, I forget that everything old in Formula One is automatically gold. Even Mosley. Bernie will be too once he finally leaves. Nowhere does the term rose tinted spectacles apply more to than Formula One. Not even North Korean revisionist history.

Edited by King Six, 20 October 2012 - 19:30.

[Sakae]

I enjoyed the interview. Taking away his opinions, he is an interesting and clever man to listen to. Even if you disagree with whatever his stance is, there is a rationale behind it and he makes it clear from his perspective his thinking. He is extremely articulate and it makes him interesting to listen to.

What I took away from it is that he is a fan of motorsport. He gets up and watches the races on tv as we do. A lot of debates on this forum lead to the discussion if I was the FIA President I would do this. Whereas his perspective is when I was the President of the FIA I should have done this.

To me that came across as a common theme, and although I got the impression that although he is happy with most of the decisions he made, there was an air of regret and unfinished business which he can no longer have any impact on.

Better articulated than I have on same impressions.

[AvranaKern]

there you go folks ... uploaded the show for ya hopefully it stays that way.



BTW, i've gotta say, of all the guests featured in the show, max mosley is perhaps one of the best ones yet.

Thank you for your effort. Appreciated.

[g1n]

there you go folks ... uploaded the show for ya hopefully it stays that way.



BTW, i've gotta say, of all the guests featured in the show, max mosley is perhaps one of the best ones yet.

and you have edited out the ad's, top man!

[Ross Stonefeld]

I love the venom for him from people who have no skin in the game.

[eronrules]

and you have edited out the ad's, top man!

thank superseeds.org

[britishtrident]

The undead are back among us quick send for Buffy the Vampire Slayer to drive a stake through his coffin lid.

[Nahnever]

thank superseeds.org

People always misuse this smiley lol.

[midgrid]

The way the new teams were chosen for 2010 lacked transparency. Why were a small F3 outfit from Yorkshire, a Spanish team without proper finances, a vapour-ware team from the USA, and a group of rich Malaysians laying claim to a famous name chosen over established motorsport outfits like Lola, Prodrive, and Epsilon Euskadi? I can't say I've got too much criticism of Todt - he's kept his head down and got on with the job. If Mosley had done the same maybe there wouldn't have been such a desire for his resignation. Credit where credit's due for making the sport safer, and for attending Ratzenberger's funeral when everyone else went to Senna's.

The new teams have had their problems, true, but since the selection was made, Lola has gone bust, Prodrive undertook a disastrous LMP1 programme for Aston Martin (and its previous failed F1 entry was based on the availability of customer cars, which never came to pass), and Epsilon has undergone organisational changes and what appears to be a reduction in its motorsport activities. I doubt any of them could have done a better job than even HRT, or survived for as long.

[AvranaKern]

The new teams have had their problems, true, but since the selection was made, Lola has gone bust, Prodrive undertook a disastrous LMP1 programme for Aston Martin (and its previous failed F1 entry was based on the availability of customer cars, which never came to pass), and Epsilon has undergone organisational changes and what appears to be a reduction in its motorsport activities. I doubt any of them could have done a better job than even HRT, or survived for as long.

...or they -new teams- all had committed to Cosworth. I always felt that this was the underlying motive for Mosley. This and the crappy 100-year deal with CVC rendered invalid what he had done for the safety and cost-cutting measures. He will surely be remembered to be forgotten more easily.