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[Tommorris747]

Without him the FIA would still own the rights to the championship and the teams would share 90% of F1's revenues in place of the 34-odd percent overall they have shared since he hit office. What a difference the 56% would make to teams' budgets. Instead it has ended up in the hands of bankers, party girls and an ex-wife.

Yeh right!

Edited by Tommorris747, 22 October 2012 - 03:28.

[Rasputin]

Hmm Mr Cantarella was invited to submit an offer for the commercial rights and the WMSC was informed about the interest of the GPWC. But you're right the poor sods didn't stand a chance because the incompetents couldn't manage to submit an offer, let alone one competing with the one Bernie laid down.
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As if MrM would have been prepared to sell Formula One's commercial rights to FOCA, headed by Ron Dennis and Flavio Briatore I imagine? Yeah right...

Funny this really, on every forum there's always someone who identify him/herself with the individuals in power, no matter what, wonder why that is?

Edited by Rasputin, 22 October 2012 - 07:02.

[Raelene]

the teams would never ever be able to work together enough to make it happen

i remember when FOTA first started - always said it wouldn't work - because they would never be able to come to a consensus...for long...

[Raelene]

the teams would never ever be able to work together enough to make it happen

i remember when FOTA first started - always said it wouldn't work - because they would never be able to come to a consensus...for long...

[Muz Bee]

No need to censor the old chap, he had nothing to say, a big yawn. Surprisingly lacking in vitriol it just confirmed he is finished as far as having an audience. We always knew he had selective amnesia now the amnesia seems to have increased in his dotage and there's nothing left to say.

[Rinehart]

Balestre

Yeah ... after toivonen died .

Mosley

Yeah ... after Senna died.

Both presidents are piggy-backing the normal rate of technology driven safety development that coincided with their own tenures and claim it as "driven" by them. Politics!

[Tonka]

Also in hindsight the teams must be kicking themselves because for a "bowl of soup" of $400 million they could have had the commercial rights to F1

When you have Bernie & Max working together to ensure the teams are always at each other throats, is it any surprise that they didn't buy up F1?

Don't forget, Max & Bernie worked out of the same office and I'd expect many decisions and plans were made there, well before the teams and the FIA were involved. Todt isn't close to Bernie and the infighting between teams is much reduced - in fact some have become quite friendly since Max was forced out.

[Tonka]

No need to censor the old chap, he had nothing to say, a big yawn. Surprisingly lacking in vitriol it just confirmed he is finished as far as having an audience. We always knew he had selective amnesia now the amnesia seems to have increased in his dotage and there's nothing left to say.

Same as happens to boxers who've spent a lifetime being battered and bruised...

[Raelene]

When you have Bernie & Max working together to ensure the teams are always at each other throats, is it any surprise that they didn't buy up F1?

Don't forget, Max & Bernie worked out of the same office and I'd expect many decisions and plans were made there, well before the teams and the FIA were involved. Todt isn't close to Bernie and the infighting between teams is much reduced - in fact some have become quite friendly since Max was forced out.

yep, they are much more harmonised...some even left FOTA...the teams will never work together properly - no matter who is in charge...

[BoschKurve]

You did quite well until the very end. Max Mosley is all that what's in your account, but he is not an idiot. He is an educated, very articulated individual, who forms quickly quite specific concepts and ideas, and he can cast more light onto corridors of power than most. What you take out of this interview is really up to you, isn't it?

Sakae, I never said Max was an idiot. But, being educated and articulate does not mean someone is worth listening to. It just means they have a clear way of expressing their viewpoints in an understandable manner. I know plenty of articulate and educated individuals who are not worth listening to. Many of them coincidentally happen to be politicians.;)

I stated that people feel because of the things he has done in both his professional, and personal life, he does not deserve to have a platform from which to speak, regardless of his having been FIA President. I simply stated I am inclined to agree with those people more than not. Think about it for a moment please. The combination of Max and Bernie --both of whom were buddies with Balestre-- was deadly for F1. Max even more so...I can think of no individual who did more damage to F1's image than Maximillian Mosely.

[Sakae]

Sakae, I never said Max was an idiot. But, being educated and articulate does not mean someone is worth listening to. It just means they have a clear way of expressing their viewpoints in an understandable manner. I know plenty of articulate and educated individuals who are not worth listening to. Many of them coincidentally happen to be politicians.;)

I stated that people feel because of the things he has done in both his professional, and personal life, he does not deserve to have a platform from which to speak, regardless of his having been FIA President. I simply stated I am inclined to agree with those people more than not. Think about it for a moment please. The combination of Max and Bernie --both of whom were buddies with Balestre-- was deadly for F1. Max even more so...I can think of no individual who did more damage to F1's image than Maximillian Mosely.

I do agree with you just about on everything with the exception on one point, which is, despite my disagreements with him on many issues, I think we need to preserve distinction on reflection of his time at FiA, and promoting him (let him to re-write history), but that I think was not going on. Sky got out of him some comparison or comments on the past, and present day, which for me was interesting.

Actually J. Todt already responded to MM's recommendation, and said, "I am not going to be a dictator"! That pretty much sums it up for me.

[HoldenRT]

I applaud Todt's response.

[mattferg]

Why is getting beat by HRT any worse than Williams? Everyone has to start somewhere.

How long have you been watching F1 for?

Williams is the third most successful constructor of all time, and in some stats is actually shown as more successful than McLaren. Adrian Newey won championships with them, as did Ayrton Senna. They've been on a nosedive in terms of competitiveness in the past few years though, mostly due to money (as they lack certain mobile phone network sponsors...) but they're a highly respected and prestigious team. Compare this to a three year old team with no race wins, ever? Wow.

[Ross Stonefeld]

Really? Senna won championships in a Williams? And you're going to accuse me of not understanding F1?

All the teams have to start somewhere. They won't have instant success, particularly with where F1 has evolved to.

[aditya-now]

Really? Senna won championships in a Williams? And you're going to accuse me of not understanding F1?

All the teams have to start somewhere. They won't have instant success, particularly with where F1 has evolved to.

You didn't know that Senna won championships with Williams, Ross? Now you've been exposed!

[Raelene]

Really? Senna won championships in a Williams? And you're going to accuse me of not understanding F1?

[SPBHM]

How long have you been watching F1 for?

Williams is the third most successful constructor of all time, and in some stats is actually shown as more successful than McLaren. Adrian Newey won championships with them, as did Ayrton Senna. They've been on a nosedive in terms of competitiveness in the past few years though, mostly due to money (as they lack certain mobile phone network sponsors...) but they're a highly respected and prestigious team. Compare this to a three year old team with no race wins, ever? Wow.

Senna never completed a race for Williams, although he did 3 pole positions for them,


as for the Mosley interview, I think it was pretty decent...
I think that he is correct in many points,

[g1n]

How long have you been watching F1 for?

Williams is the third most successful constructor of all time, and in some stats is actually shown as more successful than McLaren. Adrian Newey won championships with them, as did Ayrton Senna. They've been on a nosedive in terms of competitiveness in the past few years though, mostly due to money (as they lack certain mobile phone network sponsors...) but they're a highly respected and prestigious team. Compare this to a three year old team with no race wins, ever? Wow.

waaaaat when did this happen?

[Raelene]

I don't think mattferg will be back to explain how Ayrton won a championship in his Williams

[oetzi]

Aren't commercial rights normally held by a central group, but TV rights and etc are down territory to territory?

Just as an example that this can work, TV rights for English Premier League football are held centrally, and they do a very good job of negotiating for the collective in the global market. It makes for a much fairer distribution of TV income than, for instance, the Spanish league, where each team negotiates individually and Bareclona and Real Madrid get payments so much larger than the other teams that it has made a farce of the league for the past few years.

[Buttoneer]

I imagine there's a new user being registered right now who knows a bit more about F1 than he did at 23.39 last night.

In other news, I'd like this thread to stick with discussing MM's appearance on the show and his opinions on the issues he discussed, rather than what level of hell he'll end up in if you were to have your way.

Please avoid defamatory remarks, especially since Mr Mosley is such a litigious chap.

[Option1]

I still find it amusing that some believe Mosley shouldn't have been interviewed because he might attempt to reconstruct/revise/gloss/change/reinterprete/reinvent/give his own version of/etc the past. I've yet to see any interviewee in any form of any media do differently. Lord help us that we might hear things we don't agree with or believe we know differently.

Neil

[Slowinfastout]

I pretty much despise Mosley, but I'd never argue that he should be ignored by the media, especially motorsports specialized media. My main issue is that nobody asks the tough questions, such as why Mosley was able to get away with using the FIA mechanisms in an attempt to restore his own personal reputation? Apparently, according to Mosley at the time, Spankgate was an attack on the FIA presidency. This was never demonstrated. Who paid the bills for Quest? What was the result of their investigation?

Mosley then went on to seemingly handle that crap as a purely personal matter, which makes more sense.. but as far as the FIA and motorsports is concerned, his actions initially tended towards tying up this weird and personal sex scandal to his job at the FIA, instead of creating as much distance as possible to preserve the reputation and the good standing of this tin pot dictatorship organization.

Of course that's just for his latest antics as FIA President, there are a bunch of other shady things he's done and never really was forced to explain..

[ensign14]

I'd love to see a Mosley autobiog. Take the bias with a pinch of salt, of course, but there may be a few bodies uncovered.

[Fastcake]

I'd love to see a Mosley autobiog. Take the bias with a pinch of salt, of course, but there may be a few bodies uncovered.

Same here. Generally the only autobiographies worth reading come from those who have retired, as you don't have to worry about pissing everyone off

[kosmic33]

Same here. Generally the only autobiographies worth reading come from those who have retired, as you don't have to worry about pissing everyone off ;)

Kind of, well very, off topic, but surely Bernies would be the best read of all!

[Sakae]

Sky had many issues on the agenda durng the show under discussion, and MM's input was not a primary focus, therefore limited. I wish however there could be a discreet interview with him, having opportunity to get prepared and then speak on several subjects of interest. In my view his private life and political inclinations are his business only, but I would like to hear more about his "special relationship" with Ecclestone, perceptions that F1 has become FiA' main agenda, and then of course strained relationship with majority of teams (but two?). I wonder if he would be willing to speak about it freely, and factually. At the moment I have an impression that he is not actually aware of any negative influence his presidency had on this sport, and he might be right about it, but that’s not my view then, and potentially enlightened interview could clear some of that stuff up.

[Coops3]

Upon reading those quotes I immediately googled imaged of Max's "sex controversy" and laughed my ass off for a good 60 seconds. Poor Max (sarcasm).

Did he do some good? Yes. Does he make good points sometimes? Yes. But overall.. I've never been so glad to see someone in power decline.. and the way it happened.. the newspaper headlines.. (laughs some more)

There was a time when I defended him on here.. and I am not a bitter person. But I have good instincts when it comes to people and I don't like Max. I don't even care what he says these days to be honest.. I am just glad to see the end of him. Those quotes where he (sort of) wants sympathy.. just makes me laugh even more. When Max was in power, he was ruthless.

On final point is.. I haven't smelt one hint of corruption or favouritism since Todt has been in charge. Confrontational or not.. I like Todt's style.. I never would have thought that.. when he initially took over from Max.. but so far so good. Yeah there's been bad stewards decisions, yeah these's been some iffy regs changes.. but nothing that stands out as stinking to high heaven.. unlike when Max was in charge. Farewell Max..

QFT.

[MightyMoose]

In other news, I'd like this thread to stick with discussing MM's appearance on the show and his opinions on the issues he discussed, rather than what level of hell he'll end up in if you were to have your way.

Please avoid defamatory remarks, especially since Mr Mosley is such a litigious chap.

Repeating this seeing as some saw fit to continue to take the thread away from the topic and in a bad direction.

[mattferg]

I don't think mattferg will be back to explain how Ayrton won a championship in his Williams

Apologies, brain fart, meant to write Alain Prost and I wasn't thinking! The rest of my points still stand.