How can an Energy Drink build better cars then Ferrari, Mclaren, Lotus or Mercedes
#1
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:44
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
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#2
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:48
A good race team is a good race team, no matter where the money comes from. This one happens to be Sir Jackie Stewart's race winning team, just after a couple of ownership changes.
Edited by PayasYouRace, 22 November 2012 - 11:50.
#3
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:51
Oh come on you know its only the money red bull supply its not like they take their factory slaves and make them build racing cars.Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
all teams employ as a rule from the same small group of F1 people not from their owners business otherwise force India would have pilots as drivers McLaren would have accountants and red bull would have hyperactive energy drink junkies driving their cars.
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your question is about as valid as asking how can red bull build a red bull and a torro rosso
Edited by itsademo, 22 November 2012 - 11:53.
#4
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:53
#5
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:54
#6
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:55
Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
Because it is a professional racing team that existed long before RedBull bought them. When RedBull have had enough of F1 they will sell the team to someone else, and if the new owners have the funding the team will continue to win. It is not as if the cars are being built in the RedBull energy drink factory, they just own the team.
RedBull are the 21st century Benetton, and I don't think anyone cared when they were beating other professional racing teams either. Other teams are and have been owned by banks, airliners, steel companies, etc. Who cares where the money comes form? They are all professional racing teams at the pointy end of the gird.
Edited by Jazza, 22 November 2012 - 11:56.
#7
Posted 22 November 2012 - 11:55
#8
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:01
#9
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:10
Maybe because they've put together a great group of people, many of whom were working in Formula One way before Red Bull sponsored a British team?Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
#10
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:10
#11
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:10
Edited by Diablobb81, 22 November 2012 - 12:13.
#12
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:13
#13
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:15
#14
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:26
DC answered that for you years ago. He told Newey of how more freedom he enjoys at RedBull compared to McLaren, which was an important issue that made Newey moved on.the more interesting question would be: how is RB able to exploit Neweys potential while Mclaren completely failed to do so ...
#15
Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:33
Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
Red Bull and Torro Rosso - Money comes from Red Bull energy drinks
McLaren has sponsorship from Lucozade's owners
Ferrari has sponsorship from TNT energy drinks.
Mercedes has sponsorship from Monster
Lotus have sponsorship from Burn (Coke)
Williams HAD sponsorship from Hell energy drink.
They've tried!
Edited by mattferg, 22 November 2012 - 13:51.
#16
Posted 22 November 2012 - 13:26
Jordan did make an energy drink. I liked it anyway
But, going by your avatar, you'll probably also like irn bru...
#17
Posted 22 November 2012 - 14:15
Jordan did make an energy drink. I liked it anyway
i think me and you were the only ones
#18
Posted 22 November 2012 - 14:23
Edited by Vesuvius, 22 November 2012 - 14:24.
#19
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:03
Well, in fact Honda has, but pulled out before it won .
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#20
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:08
Edited by sportingcp, 22 November 2012 - 15:10.
#21
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:24
#22
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:26
#23
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:27
Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
How can you rationally explain that someone with over 1000 posts can ask such a silly question?
Does Newey design energy drinks usually and just decided to have a go at cars?
Edited by Abranet, 22 November 2012 - 15:27.
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:30
#25
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:30
#26
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:31
But nobody caresBy paying even less attention to the RRA than the others?
#27
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:36
#28
Posted 22 November 2012 - 15:44
Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
Yeah, cause Newey was just an energy drink maker.
#29
Posted 22 November 2012 - 17:09
#30
Posted 22 November 2012 - 17:11
#31
Posted 22 November 2012 - 17:12
the more interesting question would be: how is RB able to exploit Neweys potential while Mclaren completely failed to do so ...
Not exactly fair...
With Newey at McLaren, they won 1998-1999, and could have easily won 2000 and 2003, and of course 2005 for a little luck on their side. Total of 5 championships for them, which is would have matched Williams 92-93-94-96-97 (WDC or WCC).
If only Frank Williams let Newey become the Technical Director of the team, he would have stayed there his whole time, I believe. And you can bet Williams would have won more championships with Juan Pablo or Ralf Schumacher in the his designed cars.
Edited by George Costanza, 22 November 2012 - 17:18.
#32
Posted 22 November 2012 - 17:19
His Leyton House cars only showed potential at smooth surface circuits like Paul Ricard where things were predictable.
When he went to Williams, while his creations did work, it took Patrick Head to make sure the reliability was there. One thing Newey is not known for is reliability.
The ban on development in all areas except aero benefits him more because it keeps the platform he works on stagnant.
#33
Posted 22 November 2012 - 17:25
Newey's creations only work when they have a stable platform to work on.
His Leyton House cars only showed potential at smooth surface circuits like Paul Ricard where things were predictable.
When he went to Williams, while his creations did work, it took Patrick Head to make sure the reliability was there. One thing Newey is not known for is reliability.
The ban on development in all areas except aero benefits him more because it keeps the platform he works on stagnant.
At McLaren, who was Newey's right hand man? Pat Fry? Mike Coughlin? Neil Oatley?
Newey and Head were legendary....
Who's Newey's right hand man at Red Bull?
I always wondered how Newey would get along with Ross Brawn.... Imagine that?
Edited by George Costanza, 22 November 2012 - 17:27.
#34
Posted 22 November 2012 - 18:33
Far too much emphasis is placed on what Red Bull is outside of F1. The racing team had been together prior to them becoming RBR. It is a statement that Lewis Hamilton made, probably as a joke, which has been carried for years.
#35
Posted 22 November 2012 - 18:47
How can giants of football like Manchester United and Liverpool with illustrious history be beaten by the likes of Man City, Chelsea etc. ?Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
Money. RedBull have the highest budget in F1 right now, and they are under suspicion of breaking the RRA. They also spend this money on the right people.
#36
Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:39
Edited by Cesc, 23 November 2012 - 09:39.
#37
Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:41
#38
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:07
Indeed RB don't even make the drink. All the product is subcontracted - manufacture, bottling, canning, distribution. Red Bull is pretty much a marketing company that allows others to use its logo for a (large) royalty.Red Bulll is more a brand that an energy drink company. They have a high value only as a brand.
#39
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:11
#41
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:17
Nope. It's real people in the shot.Cardboard cutouts of the drivers???
#42
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:18
i think me and you were the only ones
Must have been the Vodka
#43
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:27
Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
Unbelievable post. As others have said it's Red Bull money that pays for a professional F1 race car company to go racing.
#44
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:28
How can you rationally explain that someone with over 1000 posts can ask such a silly question?
Does Newey design energy drinks usually and just decided to have a go at cars?
#45
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:45
If only Frank Williams let Newey become the Technical Director of the team, he would have stayed there his whole time, I believe. And you can bet Williams would have won more championships with Juan Pablo or Ralf Schumacher in the his designed cars.
Newey had been getting TD offers from other teams for a while before he left. He was happy at Williams. What ultimately made him leave was that he felt he wasn't being listen to in important decision making, particularly when it came to drivers. When Damon Hill wasn't renewed for 97, Newey also decided to leave.
#46
Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:50
Maybe these car companies should try making an Energy Drink
How would you explain rationally, why a company like Red Bull beats all those huge legendary car companies in there own discipline.
Going on this assuption must mean that Newey is seriously crap. A can of Red Bull gives diabolical drag figures!
#47
Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:01
Ferrari won 1999 World Constructors' Championship. Hakkinen won the WDC.With Newey at McLaren, they won 1998
-1999,and could have easily won 2000 and 2003, and of course 2005 for a little luck on their side. Total of 5 championships for them, which is would have matched Williams 92-93-94-96-97 (WDC or WCC).
#48
Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:02
#49
Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:04
Indeed RB don't even make the drink. All the product is subcontracted - manufacture, bottling, canning, distribution. Red Bull is pretty much a marketing company that allows others to use its logo for a (large) royalty.
There was a very good series of TV shows in the UK on BBC called 'Super Brands' that outlined this. Interesting stuff.
#50
Posted 23 November 2012 - 11:28
I say yes.