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#1 skinnylizard

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:34

or will the present cars evolve into the 2013 challenger ?

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#2 turssi

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:27

or will the present cars evolve into the 2013 challenger ?


Good question. One would think that they will be more evolutions than revolutions.

RBR might have so much money to burn that they design a new one from scratch, Ferrari/McLaren could evolve if they don't see the need for big changes (front suspension). But it would be great for someone like James Allen to do a piece on this.

#3 Zava

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:37

Good question. One would think that they will be more evolutions than revolutions.

RBR might have so much money to burn that they design a new one from scratch, Ferrari/McLaren could evolve if they don't see the need for big changes (front suspension). But it would be great for someone like James Allen to do a piece on this.

fun fact: they were the only top team who never did that since 2009, only evolution. :wave:

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:38

Good question. One would think that they will be more evolutions than revolutions.

RBR might have so much money to burn that they design a new one from scratch, Ferrari/McLaren could evolve if they don't see the need for big changes (front suspension). But it would be great for someone like James Allen to do a piece on this.



i read an Adrian Newey quote about how busy things are and he mentioned they have three teams working one on the current car, one on 2013 and one on 2014.. cant recall where it was. that of course does not mean they will be new cars from scratch (maybe the 2014 since regs are changing i believe)


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:46

Some teams could even use the 2012 parts for the 2013 car as well. I remember reading something like this on the crash struckture/survival cell. Of course this is already something that defines the rest of the car to some extent.

Could a top team go this way?

#6 medeni73

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:47

2013 evolution, 2014 revolution cos of rule and engine changes...

#7 whitevisor

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 13:03

the RB9 and the MP4-28 Have been reported to look very similar to their predecessors.
THe W04 will be all new, the 2013 HRT will be all new, The new Marrusia will be all new, The new Torro Rosso as well.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 13:07

the RB9 and the MP4-28 Have been reported to look very similar to their predecessors.
THe W04 will be all new, the 2013 HRT will be all new, The new Marrusia will be all new, The new Torro Rosso as well.

all new, full of never seen innovations...which will add up to a never seen car. :lol:

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 14:55

all new, full of never seen innovations...which will add up to a never seen car. :lol:


An evolution of McLaren's transparent bodywork? Brave :)

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:20

or will the present cars evolve into the 2013 challenger ?

I am not sure what everyone else will do, but Mercedes has to do probably little bit of both, as I suspect they root cause this year issue, and my assumption is that they could not change the car during a season to have it fixed. Car length might change, and who knows what else.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:43

fun fact: they were the only top team who never did that since 2009, only evolution. :wave:


I seem to remember in an interview with Horner in F1 Magazine where he said that he's sad because the RB7 is now obsolete and not a single part from it is carried over to the RB8, which is being designed from scratch.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:47

or will the present cars evolve into the 2013 challenger ?


Good question. New car does not necessarily means more costly, but still it is a good question.
I think STR would go for a completely new car. I do think that they will beat Williams, Force India and Lotus at least at the beginning of the season, if they do not produce new chassis that solves the prob encounter in 2012.
Most probably top three team will opt to sort out problems that they have encounter during 2012 in its mechanical as well as aero. Byt it is rather unlikely that they will ditch all datas accumulated during 2012. Changes on nose section makes a lot of influence on the rest of the car.
I predict Ferrari to NOT to produce new car, but to up grade therefore failing to win WDC.
I think RBR will smooth-en the rear end and therefore changing lots of rear ends.
Mclaren.... I thinkthey will change every single parts, just because they are the NURDS of the track. :rotfl:


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:08

Good question. New car does not necessarily means more costly, but still it is a good question.
I think STR would go for a completely new car. I do think that they will beat Williams, Force India and Lotus at least at the beginning of the season, if they do not produce new chassis that solves the prob encounter in 2012.
Most probably top three team will opt to sort out problems that they have encounter during 2012 in its mechanical as well as aero. Byt it is rather unlikely that they will ditch all datas accumulated during 2012. Changes on nose section makes a lot of influence on the rest of the car.
I predict Ferrari to NOT to produce new car, but to up grade therefore failing to win WDC.
I think RBR will smooth-en the rear end and therefore changing lots of rear ends.
Mclaren.... I thinkthey will change every single parts, just because they are the NURDS of the track. :rotfl:



yeah right, james key isn't jesus you know :smoking:

My hunch is next year will be a continuation of this year, except Williams making there car work better and introduce fully functioning Coanda exhaust (remember, they're the only team not to run it in 2012).

RB will perfect there coanda too. i'll not be surprised if they pursue DDRS like lotusF1

Merc will struggle at the beginning with new chasis to sort out teething problems with odd flashes of speed. what'll happen mid-season?? we'll need to see.

Sauber and Torro-rosso will be locked in a fire fight, sauber will probably lose out that battle at the end of the season.

Marussia will cathch up to Caterham.

Mclaren ... well they've practically made a new car for the last 5 seasons, but next year might be atleast 50% continuation IMO



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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:53

i'll not be surprised if they pursue DDRS like lotusF1


Got a feeling that's banned for '13.

Edited by Tombstone, 03 December 2012 - 10:53.


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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:56

Got a feeling that's banned for '13.


nop, lotus style passive stalling is OK somehow, it was clarified during this season and in abu dhabu YDT, ferrar/RB/Merc and Lotus tried it. it's gonna be interesting to see if (and when) FIA bans it, those whiny old hags hates anything remotely innovative in F1 :mad:

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:59

nop, lotus style passive stalling is OK somehow, it was clarified during this season and in abu dhabu YDT, ferrar/RB/Merc and Lotus tried it. it's gonna be interesting to see if (and when) FIA bans it, those whiny old hags hates anything remotely innovative in F1 :mad:


Not sure Lotus got it to work - didn't they ditch it without racing it?

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:03

Not sure Lotus got it to work - didn't they ditch it without racing it?


yep cause it was taking resource away from other vital areas such as coanda exhaust. but they've gathered data during YDT and hopes to make it work during winter testing. with the ability to use DRS as wish during qualy next season gone, this may turn out to be a must have for good lap times next year.

Edited by eronrules, 03 December 2012 - 11:04.


#18 Zava

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:14

nop, lotus style passive stalling is OK somehow, it was clarified during this season and in abu dhabu YDT, ferrar/RB/Merc and Lotus tried it. it's gonna be interesting to see if (and when) FIA bans it, those whiny old hags hates anything remotely innovative in F1 :mad:

ferrari and merc wasn't even attending the abu dhabi one, let alone ferrari trying the DRD. teams which I recall trying it: lotus/merc in FPs, lous/red bull/sauber in the abu dhabi YDT. there was also something weird going on between the STR's rear and beam wing, but that looked more like a monkey seat on steroids than a DRD.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:19

fun fact: they were the only top team who never did that since 2009, only evolution. :wave:


The philosophy has remained the same, but they have all been very different cars. You couldn't rip off the blown diffuser of the 2011 car and expect it to have been competitive for this year as the downforce balance would have been all over the place.

I imagine Newey designs the whole car from scratch so that all parts work with that new idea he's bound to have thought of for 2013. :lol:

Edited by toxicfusion, 03 December 2012 - 11:19.