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#1 aditya-now

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:18

Karun Chandok's Top 5 at minute 49.00 of the F1 Insider - who are your Top 5?

Interesting that Karun put Kimi in front of Seb (Fer and Lewis are understandable) - and especially that he has Nico Hülkenberg already in Top 5.....thus

1.Alonso
2.Hamilton
3.Raikkonen
4.Vettel
5.Hülkenberg


My end of season Top 5 are slightly more conservative:

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen
5. Button


Your thoughts on Chandok's Top 5? Your personal Top 5 at the end of 2012?

Edited by aditya-now, 03 December 2012 - 18:20.


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#2 kpchelsea

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:26

Well ive just posted my top 10 with explanations in another thread, my top 5:-

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen
5. Hulkenburg

#3 oligc94

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:28

He's right to put Alonso and Hamilton at the top, although I don't necessarily agree that the former should be above the latter. Hamilton has been flawless this season (then again so has Alonso!). I just feel that Lewis got the most out of the car at almost every race, but Alonso seemed to tail off when it really mattered at the end of the season.

Not sure about Raikkonen above Vettel though. For me, everybody's getting a bit too hyped up about his return, and I think that with the speed that the Lotus had at the start of the year, Kimi should have more than one win to be considered superior to the world champion. Saying that, I was pretty underwhelmed with Vettel's performance this year. He looked rather average for the first half of the season, and only seemed to pull ahead of Webber when RBR found an innovation which switched the balance rearwards.

Hulkenberg in at fifth is perhaps the most controversial choice, but who else actually deserves to be there? Webber? Don't think so - well beaten by Seb again. Button? Had a dreadful season in my opinion despite the three wins, and has been outclassed this year by Hamilton. Any other contenders? Not for me... So I think Hulkenberg is justified in 5.

#4 rasul

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:31

What is the point of this thread when there's already a thread about Top 10?


#5 Diablobb81

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:41

Hamilton has been brilliant but he didn't have the title pressure on him. So Alonso/Vettel with a slight plus for Fernando.

#6 P123

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 18:42

5th could be a number of drivers- Webber, Button, Hulk, Perez..... after the top four nobody was particularly outstanding all season long. They all had their dips in form.

My top five would be:

1. Alonso - stunning form all year
2. Hamilton - minor blip in Valencia v Maldonado/ wrong way on setup in Spa but otherwise a return to his 2010 form; an impressive turnaround after 2011 and especially after Buttons's victory in Melbourne.
3. Vettel- shaded by Webber early season, but flew later on when updates more suited to his driving style arrived- great races at Spa and Brazil showing his class
4. Raikkonen - should be even better next season, couple of victories missed out on in Bahrain and Hungary due to compromised quali sessions
5. Hulk? maybe his performances are fresher in the memory, but slow start to the season. Perez? Some stunning drives, but fell away after being announced as a McLaren driver. Webber? Two victories, good quali pace v SV, but seemed to have a scrappy end to the season. Button? Great start and some great drives, but his season fell apart for a few races, only unreliability suffered by his teammate saved him from finishing far behind in the points. Rosberg? Great drive in China, but was a bit anonymous for most of the season. The Merc effect? Schumacher? Started very strongly, but too many incidents. Also awful luck- Merc effect again. di Resta- impressive start to season shading highly rated HUlk, but like Perez fell away quite badly as the season progressed. I don't know how you seperate that lot..... I'll give it to JB, based on a greater number of impressive drives.

#7 Anderis

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 19:07

Well ive just posted my top 10 with explanations in another thread, my top 5:-

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen
5. Hulkenburg

+1 :up:

#8 Boxerevo

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 19:35

Top 5 drivers are : Alonso,Vettel,Hamilton,Raikkonen,Button.

The order is with you,they are champions for a reason.

Edited by Boxerevo, 03 December 2012 - 19:35.


#9 Wander

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 19:45

Karun's top 5 is the same as mine in the same order so not much to add.

Placing Vettel above Räikkönen would not be a crime, but he drove a car that was just so much better overall, it's hard to compare the two.

#10 alframsey

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 19:49

My top 5 would be;

1) Alonso.
2) Hamilton.
3) Kimi simply because how good his comeback has been.
4) Vettel.
5) I really don't know about this one, haven't got a clue.

#11 Wander

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:04

^Obviously Hulkenberg for 5th mate.

#12 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:06

Well ive just posted my top 10 with explanations in another thread, my top 5:-

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen
5. Hulkenburg

Just the same here :wave: .

#13 BernieEc

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:16

am surprised no one seems to give chico Perez a mention

#14 alframsey

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:26

^Obviously Hulkenberg for 5th mate.

I was thinking that but was unsure about who to choose between Perez and Hulkenberg.

#15 Lord_Shaitan

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:28

am surprised no one seems to give chico Perez a mention

Come on, he scored points only 7 times (and his 6 last races was just hopeless)! Sauber was really strong in this season, way stronger than Merc but drivers wasted C31 potential.

#16 Bruce

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:31

My Top 5 would be;

1 Alonso
2 Vettel
3 Hamilton
4 Raikonnen
5 Maldonado (I know THIS will cause controversy)...

#17 bub

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:33

Top 5 of 2012

Vettel
Hamilton
Alonso
Raikkonen
Hulkenberg

You can have a one off good/bad season so my top 5 drivers in F1.

Joint 1st: Hamilton/Vettel/Alonso
Joint 4th: Raikkonen/Button



#18 g1n

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:33

Massa is the 5th one, easy.

#19 selespeed

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 20:48

Massa is the 5th one, easy.



over a season? really??

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#20 jjcale

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:34

...

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Vettel
4. Raikkonen
5. Hulkenburg


+ 1

Edit: I forgot about JB .... he just about ties the Hulk of for 5th

Edited by jjcale, 03 December 2012 - 21:36.


#21 jjcale

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:37

My Top 5 would be;

1 Alonso
2 Vettel
3 Hamilton
4 Raikonnen
5 Maldonado (I know THIS will cause controversy)...


Is this a list of fastest or best .... if its fastest PM may actually be first or second

#22 bourbon

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:40

1. Vettel/Raikkonen
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso/Button
4. Perez
5. Hulkenberg/Glock/Kovalainen

#23 Collombin

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:43

That's not how counting works.


#24 PretentiousBread

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:47

I go with Chandhok's list, but just swap Vettel and Raikkonen. Raikkonen's qualifying was too much of a weakness to possibly be considered top 3 material this year IMO.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 21:47

1. Vettel/Raikkonen
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso/Button
4. Perez
5. Hulkenberg/Glock/Kovalainen


That's positively barmy.

#26 The Kanisteri

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 22:00

1. Vettel
2. Räikkönen
3. Button
4. Hamilton
5. Webber

#27 Kingshark

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 22:10

1.) Fernando Alonso
2.) Lewis Hamilton
3.) Sebastian Vettel
4.) Kimi Raikkonen
5.) Nico Rosberg or Michael Schumacher (tie).

#28 Anderis

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 22:39

5 Maldonado (I know THIS will cause controversy)...

Yeah. I find it weird how someone can rate Maldonado so high, despite the fact I have some positive bias toward him (as a Williams fan I wanted the team to keep him for another year and failed to see better options available, he is the one among F1 drivers who I wished the best in the last 20 months).

I can think of at least 12-14 drivers who probably would have comfortably outscored him this year at Williams. And this is a thread about who did the best job this year, not who has the most speed if I understand correctly? So I find putting Maldonado so high somewhat unreasonable.

#29 johnmhinds

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 22:50

Everyone thinks Vettel is the 4th best driver after winning the most races and securing a hat trick of championships?

What a bizarre world we all live in.

#30 Ricardo F1

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 23:06

He drives a Red Bull, and arguably underpeformed pretty badly at the start of the season.

#31 PretentiousBread

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 23:06

Everyone thinks Vettel is the 4th best driver after winning the most races and securing a hat trick of championships?

What a bizarre world we all live in.


What does a hattrick of championships have to do with this year's championship? And what is so difficult about the concept that the world champion isn't necessarily the best performing driver that particular year?

#32 mnmracer

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 23:10

He drives a Red Bull, and arguably underpeformed pretty badly at the start of the season.

Yes, because Mark outperformed him... 3 times!
Stop repeating a myth you know nothing about and do some research.
If being outperformed by your team-mate in thee races in a whole year doesn't earn you credit, Alonso has no business up there either, nor Lewis.

#33 scheivlak

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 23:16

He drives a Red Bull, and arguably underpeformed pretty badly at the start of the season.

About as much as Fernando at the end  ;)

Karun is right about the top 5, just not in the right order:

1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Raikkonen
5. Hulkenberg

#34 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 23:17

Vettel
Alonso
Raikkonen
Hulkenburg
Rosberg

#35 aditya-now

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 23:20

Everyone thinks Vettel is the 4th best driver after winning the most races and securing a hat trick of championships?

What a bizarre world we all live in.


Not that bizarre - look at the car Seb had available these last three years. And - no one mentions Webber in the Top 5, so it is not unrealistic. Webber is somewhere between P7 - P10.

I think in many ways Seb will completely convince people only once he beats a team mate of the calibre of Alonso/Hamilton/Raikkonen or once he drives another car than a Red Bull and is equally victorious like he is now...

Great to see Hülkenberg, Perez and Maldonado up in some Top 5's - these are definitely stars of the future, soon to be joined by Vallteri Bottas.


#36 TomNokoe

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 23:31

Kimi had a very poor start to the season everyone seems to forget this. Hamilton has shaded Alonso. Hamilton was off the pace at one race, Spa, whereas Alonso has had a few more off days than that and his quali hasn't been as mind blowing as Hamiltons. Alonso was more at fault for Kimi than Lewis was for Pastor. However Alonso's starts and race performances have been very good in comparison to Hamilton (although could easily be down to Ferrari being bad quali/good race car and McLaren vice versa). I don't think there is any justification for Alonso ahead of Lewis, but a tie is feasible.

#37 gillesthegenius

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 00:40

Isnt there another thread discussing the top drivers of this season? In any case here is the top 5 of the list that I came up with in that thread.

1) Hamilton
2) Vettel
3) Alonso
4) Raikkonen
5) Hulkenberg

#38 Starish

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:37

1) Alonso
2) Hamilton
3) Raikkonen
4) Vettel
5) Button

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:17

Sauber was really strong in this season, way stronger than Merc but drivers wasted C31 potential.

utterly absurd.


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#40 Ronja

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:23

1.Räikkönen
2.Vettel
3.Hamilton
4.Button
5.Webber

#41 Brother Fox

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:33

Hulkenberg sure picked the right time of the year to have a good race. He'll be at the forefront of everyones mind until Melbourne.


#42 emburmak

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:42

What is the point of this thread when there's already a thread about Top 10?



I wonder???

This 'top this' & 'top that' is becoming tiresome. :rolleyes:

SV won the title--get over it! :cool:

#43 gerry nassar

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:55

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Raikkonen
4. Vettel
5. Hulkenberg

The cream certainly rose to the top in 2012.

Hamilton was driving brilliantly all season only let down by his team/car reliability.

Alonso has been superb but the Ferrari wasnt as bad as he made it out to be. Never count him out though.

Kimi was a little rusty to begin with but what do you expect with two years out of the sport. Drove brilliantly though, especially in the races.

Vettel - lacklustre when the car wasnt right came good but in a dominant package.

Hulk - narrowly pips Perez, but though takes him some time to warm up into the season - he's a gun driver and I feel McLaren/Ferrari should have picked him for a race seat next year

#44 gillesthegenius

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:05

Everyone thinks Vettel is the 4th best driver after winning the most races and securing a hat trick of championships?

What a bizarre world we all live in.


Not really bizzare. Inspite of winning the 2008 title, Hamilton was widely seen as the third best driver of that year, behind Kubica and Alonso.

#45 bourbon

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:22

What does a hattrick of championships have to do with this year's championship? And what is so difficult about the concept that the world champion isn't necessarily the best performing driver that particular year?


Well there is no criteria at all. If that were laid out, perhaps all of our answers would be similar. As it stands, everyone is looking at it based on their own definition of "performance".

#46 George Costanza

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:25

utterly absurd.



How is it absurd?

Fernando Alonso has stated that if Michael Schumacher was in the Sauber, he would have won 3 races with it. That's an idea how good the car was given its potential.

#47 Ricardo F1

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:36

Yes, because Mark outperformed him... 3 times!
Stop repeating a myth you know nothing about and do some research.
If being outperformed by your team-mate in thee races in a whole year doesn't earn you credit, Alonso has no business up there either, nor Lewis.

It's Mark Webber. Vettel did not have a stunning start to the season until they changed the car to come to him. He had a great end to the season with a dominant car and competitors with zero luck.

Edited by Ricardo F1, 04 December 2012 - 05:38.


#48 Sakae

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:50

Vettel wins.


#49 apoka

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:20

Not that bizarre - look at the car Seb had available these last three years. And - no one mentions Webber in the Top 5, so it is not unrealistic. Webber is somewhere between P7 - P10.

I think in many ways Seb will completely convince people only once he beats a team mate of the calibre of Alonso/Hamilton/Raikkonen or once he drives another car than a Red Bull and is equally victorious like he is now...

But those standards apply to all drivers, don't they? Who do you think was the strongest team mate this season out of Webber, Button, Massa and Grosjean? People most likely wouldn't say that Grosjean was the strongest, so that does not really explain why Kimi could be rated above Vettel.

Reposting the list from the other thread:

1. Vettel
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
(all 3 more or less the same and very impressive throughout the season - any order is fine)
4. Kimi
5. Hulkenberg
(both impressed me, but both needed some time to shine)

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:49

How is it absurd?

Fernando Alonso has stated that if Michael Schumacher was in the Sauber, he would have won 3 races with it. That's an idea how good the car was given its potential.

We're supposed to believe this, coming from the man who spent most of the year playing down the performance of his car?